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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: cazzer on October 24, 2010, 11:56:14 AM
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I saw this over on CatChat. I'm going to send some food over for her and wondered if anyone else might do the same
http://www.catchat.org/discus/messages/17/283345.html?1287916255 (http://www.catchat.org/discus/messages/17/283345.html?1287916255)
thanks
Carol
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I have posted on CC to see what the chances are of starting up a fund to bring her to the UK. When they are finished there, there would be no way of finding her a good home :(
I know some Americans managed to do it :Luv2: http://commonamericanjournal.com/?p=16592
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I'm going to try sending 1.5 kgs tomorrow, Carol
hoping I've read all the rules, and done the measurements, properly
http://www.bfpo.mod.uk/enduring_free_packet_service.htm
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I have some Bozita cartons (which is suitable for all life-stages) and cat milk that I'll send, hopefully tomorrow. The boys have some teeny mice that they're very fond of so will donate a couple of new ones for her to play with too. What a lucky kitten to have someone like Don looking out for her :hug:
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Thanks everone. My very enthusiastic OH had about 6kg of Bozita packaged up before we found that website Trigger!
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Have just found some suitable boxes and have made up three packages of cat food, cat milk and a few toys for her.
If anyone else wants to send things for her then you can send them free to this address as long as they weigh under 2kg and meet the size guidelines trigger posted here http://www.bfpo.mod.uk/enduring_free_packet_service.htm
D.Iliffe
THALES-LOGISTICS
OP HERRICK
KAIA-NORTH
BFPO 758
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I have just posted on CC and will send a parcel this week - what a lovely bloke Dons sounds x
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I shall be sending something for her,do i have to measure the parcel? I shall have to get my ruler,i only like "old money!"
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Sounds like it will have to be quite a small box - smaller than a shoe box?
Not sure how you get to send it for free. I sold a few Denby things a few years ago and one of the buyers had a BFPO address and I had to pay.
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Maybe someone could pack a stronghold, her ears look to be full of mites, also perhaps a milbemax.
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Sounds like it will have to be quite a small box - smaller than a shoe box?
Not sure how you get to send it for free. I sold a few Denby things a few years ago and one of the buyers had a BFPO address and I had to pay.
From the link trigger posted it says that packages under 2kg sent to 'Op Herrick' are free http://www.bfpo.mod.uk/optelic_opherrick_mail.htm Although if this turns out not to be the case I'm happy to pay to send the food to her.
It does say in that link that 'shoebox size is ideal' although best to check that the measurements are within the guidelines. I have used the boxes that the boys vet food came in and have wrapped them in brown paper. According to the link you also have to fill in a customs label at the Post office.
Q. Is there a size limit for items of mail to Op TELIC & Op HERRICK?
Yes. Please be advised that the overall dimensions are as per Royal Mail letter service:-
Length + Depth + Width = 900mm with greatest single dimension not greater than 600mm.
Max weight 2 kgs.
Shoe box size items are ideal.
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Don, who started the post about this kitten, is on leave in the UK in a couple of weeks time and I think intends to stock up on medicines then - trying to send them by post is likely to upset Customs, I fear
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As some of you may be aware,I'm ex Royal Air Force,I still have friends serving in the RAF at present,one of whom is a engineer on the RAF fleet of C-130 Hercules transport aircraft.
If we can get puss back to the UK,Paul may be able to swing something with the transport & logistics side of the RAF,flying from Khandahar airfield back to the UK.
I'll drop my mate a pm with a link to these threads,I cant promise anything but....
Merv
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Don, who started the post about this kitten, is on leave in the UK in a couple of weeks time and I think intends to stock up on medicines then - trying to send them by post is likely to upset Customs, I fear
I mentioned cimicat and vitamins on catchat - I'm sure they would be OK though?
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As some of you may be aware,I'm ex Royal Air Force,I still have friends serving in the RAF at present,one of whom is a engineer on the RAF fleet of C-130 Hercules transport aircraft.
If we can get puss back to the UK,Paul may be able to swing something with the transport & logistics side of the RAF,flying from Khandahar airfield back to the UK.
I'll drop my mate a pm with a link to these threads,I cant promise anything but....
Merv
That would be great if if could be done :hug:
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As some of you may be aware,I'm ex Royal Air Force,I still have friends serving in the RAF at present,one of whom is a engineer on the RAF fleet of C-130 Hercules transport aircraft.
If we can get puss back to the UK,Paul may be able to swing something with the transport & logistics side of the RAF,flying from Khandahar airfield back to the UK.
I'll drop my mate a pm with a link to these threads,I cant promise anything but....
Merv
That would be great if if could be done :hug:
that would be brilliant if it could be managed
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Don sounds fab. She is beautiful! I love the 'meowing' photo on CC :Luv:
I am sure I can find a box to send a few things over in too, will have to go shopping tomorrow.
The idea that she might be able to be brought back to the UK seems like a little ray of hope, I really hope she can make it here. I guess there is a much better chance of a good quality of life.
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I had a PM from Pav (Papillon). She isn't ready to come back on Purrs yet after losing Millie :( - but she asked me to mention that Mayhew International bought some dogs back from Afghanistan and that they may be able to help with the kitten for a fraction of the normal cost. I am out today but wondered if someone could give them a call to get some advice.
http://www.mayhewinternational.org/
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I hope we're not going to do anything about bringing this kitten back to the UK without consulting Don and his mates first
this kitten may be important to them, and able to be well cared for out there given the right food and medicines, which I'm sure we can supply from here, given that the postage is free
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I hope we're not going to do anything about bringing this kitten back to the UK without consulting Don and his mates first
this kitten may be important to them, and able to be well cared for out there given the right food and medicines, which I'm sure we can supply from here, given that the postage is free
Well,I found out my friend is on detatchment to the navy at present,so when Don is ready,I'll see if my mate can put him in contact with the movers there in Khandahar.
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It's amazing what some people will do for a cat!
It really restores my (very low!) faith in humans when I see what Don in Kabul and everyone on here and on Cat Chat are doing to try and help this little kitten. :Luv2:
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I posted off some food today, and initially the Post Office said BFPO758 was not on the free postage list
further checking and they found it - just in case anyone else has initial problems
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I posted off some food today, and initially the Post Office said BFPO758 was not on the free postage list
further checking and they found it - just in case anyone else has initial problems
That happened to my Dad when I was on Desert Storm/Op Granby in 1989,My dad was sending me a comfort package to me & the p*llock at the post office argued that BFPO 647,Bharain,did'nt exist! :censored:
Eventually Dad was able to get thru to said p*llock...maybe that's why the PO counters have a glass partition... :evillaugh:
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I posted my packages today too, they weigh them to check they're under 2kg and print out a free postage sticker that goes on them. You also have to fill in a customs sticker (which they provide) but that literally involved ticking gift, writing what it was and then signing it so took seconds.
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Helen are we OK to write it contains cat food?
I have two packets ready to post tomorrow with some dry food, some tins (I didn't realise how little 2kg would be!) a bowl, some toys ...I was trying to think of what might not be thought of to send which is why I am going to send a lightweight bowl.
I passed the story onto a lady at work who loves cats she said she will send something too, and she passed it on to a lady she is friends with who apparently spends a fortune feeding ferals when she goes on holiday so will likely send something.
Hooray for cat people ;D
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Helen are we OK to write it contains cat food?
I have two packets ready to post tomorrow with some dry food, some tins (I didn't realise how little 2kg would be!) a bowl, some toys ...I was trying to think of what might not be thought of to send which is why I am going to send a lightweight bowl.
I hope so cos I did! You have to be truthful on customs forms but I was trying to think of a different way to word it but at the end of the day there's no law against sending pet foods overseas and that is the 'gift' that's been requested.
Gizmo is a lucky little girl to have been found and rescued, I bet she'll love her very own bowl! :Luv2:
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I was thinking today, the little kitty has no idea how much love is being sent to her from overseas! :hug:
Is it wrong that the threads here and on CC make me feel a bit emotional with all the generosity? I can imagine a huge pile of packets arriving for Don with 'cat food' and 'gift' on them and that makes me smile.
I saw on CC someone mentioned baby wipes, my 1st box isn't sealed so I will add a packet in. Baby wipes are one of my 'essential' items that I have a huge stockpile of ;D
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Well, most of us know what my finances are like at the moment :evillaugh: But I'm applying to the discretionary fund at college and should I get anything I'm happy to spend a couple of quid and send a box :shy:
It's made me a bit emotional too, so much generosity for one little cat and I guess it shows our support for our troops too, I imagine having the little one to care for distracts them from the realities of where they are a little bit.
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It's heartwarming isn't it :) Even if loads of people just sent a few pouches that they already have it will all add up and she will need food for the rest of her life so it won't go to waste!
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Good thinking! we could keep bumping the threads to remind each other to send a packet every week or so, i'm happy to do that :Luv2:
Until Don tells us he is swimming in cat food parcels :pressie:
would be lovely to get a few more piccies of the little one with some weight on her :pic:
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Don will end up running a full-scale cat rescue out there when word gets round on the feline network of all these daft mad cat ladies on Purrs and CatChat sending out Kitty Red Cross parcels ;D
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Good thinking! we could keep bumping the threads to remind each other to send a packet every week or so, i'm happy to do that :Luv2:
Until Don tells us he is swimming in cat food parcels :pressie:
would be lovely to get a few more piccies of the little one with some weight on her :pic:
I want to see pics of Gizmo swimming in the parcels! :naughty:
Don will end up running a full-scale cat rescue out there when word gets round on the feline network of all these daft mad cat ladies on Purrs and CatChat sending out Kitty Red Cross parcels ;D
Yep :) Big :thanks: to Cazzer for cross-posting as I don't often get time to look on CC.
I was thinking of contacting Whiskas or Felix to see if they would like to bulk-donate (obviously for the publicity :tired:) but when I was reading about the free package thing to certain BFPO addresses it specifically said that although you can send up to 2kg free that there was NO large parcel service to Op Herrick so don't think there's any way a job lot could get there even if the companies were interested :shy:
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Carol has asked me to post the photos I have taken here for you all.
Thanks for all the help you are sending, but please do not put yourselves to any serious financial outlay on this. I can afford the food and things, but simply do not have them available here, hence the original request.
The kitten (as yet unnamed) will not be going short of anything.
There is no plan to bring her back to the UK as yet,( early days), but it is an option should that requirement be needed. Such as all of us having to leg it out of here at short notice. But as I have been here three years already, I don't see it happening in a hurry.
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Gotta love those ears!
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She is beautiful :Luv: she does look alot 'cleaner' now from the original photo bless her.
I am waiting for 12pm so I can go out and send off care package #1.
'little one' reminds me of my Cheese as a kitten - she's still a bit too small for her ears :evillaugh:
I am sure you have lots of potential names for her but I think something positive would be nice to represent how lucky she is to have been found by you and your pals - 'Hope' for example
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This is heart warming - perhaps we need to start thinking of her future = getting her injections etc so she can travel at short notice and come back to the Uk with little issue
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What about Kei? It's Japanese for blessed or lucky.
She really is adorable. Well done for keeping her safe! Will send a parcel ASAP - the limit is 2kg, is that right?
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Yep, 2kg Shonagh.
Just had a thought checking out those pictures, she's got a pink nose, maybe someone could send some cat friendly sun cream?
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Such a heartwarming thread :Luv: :)
I'll put a parcel together tomorrow ;D
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If you like the ears, How about this one
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Awwwwww, look at those radar ears :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Don, are you sure she's not part Fennec Fox? :)
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She looks like she's got cattitude in the 'ears' photo :Luv:
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those ears!! I've got some panacur and frontline I could send if nobody else has??
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:welcome: to Purrs Don
You've restored my faith in human beings :) Let us know when the packages start arriving and how she takes to the food ;D She's one very lucky and gorgeous little cat (ears and all!) :Luv2:
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My new job's started and hopefully i'll be paid at the end of the week, will try and send some things out :)
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I'll send a box tomorrow. Dont have any kitten food but have some adult food for when she is older and also catnip and baby wipes.
She is a very lucky little girl. :hug:
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I prefer to think of this as more like.
'I am Queen Meeroowww! Mistress of the universe! Kneel beneath my paw, puny humans, or know my wrath!"
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I prefer to think of this as more like.
'I am Queen Meeroowww! Mistress of the universe! Kneel beneath my paw, puny humans, or know my wrath!"
Very nice work Don! Very nice indeed for such a pretty kitten.
Anyone who takes time out to help an animal is OK in my book,especially in a war zone like Afghanistan!!!
When you're ready to bring her home,drop me a line,I still have mates in the RAF who may be able to help.
Regards,
Merv
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my oh says you are a bit of a hero Don, more for getting so many women to send you parcels lol! he is convinced we will see a rush of squaddies with kittens once word gets out! Anyway I've a parcel ready for tomorrow so it is working :evillaugh:
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Don, would it be OK to make up some posters with the information on them to get supplies to Shorty and put them in a few local pet shops? (Haha! Catch people when they won't forget.... ;))
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Hi,
Well the official naming has taken place and she now called 'Gizmo' by popular acclaim.
my oh says you are a bit of a hero Don, more for getting so many women to send you parcels lol! he is convinced we will see a rush of squaddies with kittens once word gets out! Anyway I've a parcel ready for tomorrow so it is working :evillaugh:
Sorry; Just a complete sucker for animals, also married and not allowed to chase women, and the wife is a doctor so she knows how to make it really hurt. :sick:
Don, would it be OK to make up some posters with the information on them to get supplies to Shorty and put them in a few local pet shops? (Haha! Catch people when they won't forget.... ;))
I'm Ok with that. Thanks :thanks:
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Aww Gizmo is adorable.
I'll get a parcel together and sent out at the weekend.
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No problem. Will get on it ASAP. Gizmo....yup, can see why. :Luv:
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An update on whats' happening and some photos.
I have been in contact with a vets in Kabul. "Tigger House" and hope to have Gizmo down for check up and Jabs etc in the next couple of days.
I am attaching some photos that where taken by one of the guys here.
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Bless her! :Luv: Fingers crossed the Gizmo aid packages will start to arrive soon ;D
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Hehe! Curly ears...she's adorable!
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what a sweetheart :Luv2:
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Aww shes gorgeous :Luv2:
I'm waiting for a zooplus order to arrive so i can fill another box ;D
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Curly ears? What's going on? :Crazy:
Everytime I hear something on the news now that mentions Afghanistan, I wonder if Gizmo's okay!
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She looks like a little lion cub in this pic...
Adorable!
(http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34827.0;attach=40730;image)
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How's little Gizmo getting on Don? Is there any sign of the kitty-aid parcels arriving yet? ;D
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Hi,
Nothing arrived yet, I will check again tomorrow. The short furred one is doing well and exploring, so that is having to be kept in check, although she does not go very far, just under and behind a lot of stuff.
I am due to go on leave in five days so will not have much news for a month or so. Instructions have been left regarding 'kitten aid 'parcels and what to do with them. The lady looking after her during this time will take charge of the parcels, grooming, stroking and tummy rubs.
oh! she had curly ears, because they were being cleaned, it has taken a couple of goes as they were so very dirty. No mites found and fleas are not generally a problem in these conditions, due to the fine dust everywhere.
I shall be back in Kabul for Christmas so I will bring her some presents.
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Bless her! Hope the convoy of parcels gets through soon, I wonder what she'll make of regular cat food! Hope she enjoys the toys too :)
Instructions have been left regarding 'kitten aid 'parcels and what to do with them. The lady looking after her during this time will take charge of the parcels, grooming, stroking and tummy rubs.
That's reassuring :) :hug:
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Don and everyone looking after Gizmo: :hug: Glad she's doing well. :)
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I bet these packages have to be checked over by sniffer dogs at some stage - I do hope they were all well fed doggies :scared:
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I have been advised today that 8 or 9 parcels have arrived and Gizmo is in kitten heaven and well stocked for the winter. I have not seen the parcels or contents as I am in another part of Kabul at the moment. But I am assured that Gizmo is doing fine.
Also they tell me that there were no names and address of who sent the parcels, so I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who was kind enough to send something.
It looks like I may not be returning to Kabul after this leave, Possibly going to Italy for a while. But please rest easy as Gizmo is in good hands and will thrive on the attention she is getting.
No one has mentioned any of the parcels with dog sized teeth marks, so the ''Brains on chains" must have had breakfast before.
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that's wonderful to hear, Don
will someone else out there be keeping us up to date with Gizmo's progress ?
we shall want to know when more food is required, too
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Glad the kitty aid has started to get through :) Hope you can convince Gizmo's carers to join up and keep us updated on how she's doing and let us know when her supplies are running low.
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Don, I know you're probably back in the UK by now but if you're not likely to be going back should we send the food parcels addressed to somebody else instead?
Is there any news on how she's doing?
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Three more parcels arrived, thank you.
I have been delayed getting back to UK, so still here. Keep using the mail address for now as the person taking over the kitten care duties is on leave and won't be back until December. So she under temporary care of a Bosnian Lady.
I'll post here when things change.
Gizmo is doing well, I will try and get some new photos of her ASAP.
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A quick update,
Gizmo, it turns out might actually be a Boy,now that she/he has started to put on weight and develop a bit. I think that She/He lost their mother before being fully weaned which would explain things.
Thank you for all the presents, the latest to arrive was from a Lady in London, who also enclosed a postcard and a Peacock feather, which Gizmo is crazy about.
Also from the National Animal Trust.
I don't have any new photos yet and her new media secretary is also out of the country. But I will post them as they arrive.
If any one wants to send any more gifts to Gizmo, Please use the same address but change the addressee name to Dave Leggett, who will be taking care of her.
You have all made a great difference to this little cats life and prospects. The possibility of moving her back to the UK or Canada still remains
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:thanks: for the update Don, I have lots of empty boxes now so will send another batch of Bozita cat food out for him/her. Is there anything else that would be useful or that he/she needs other than food?
OK so the new address for any Gizmo fans is:
D.Leggett
THALES-LOGISTICS
OP HERRICK
KAIA-NORTH
BFPO 758
Don't forget, shoebox size or less and under 2kg is free for people to send :)
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How lovely to hear the parcels are getting through ;D
I have the contents for another box but I need to find a box to put them in - may ask in a shoe shop at the weekend (orrrr its an excuse to buy shoes!!) ;)
Glad Gizmo is ok Don, I would love to see some new photos :)
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Photos taken the day I left Kabul,
Sorry for the delay, but I have been very occupied by various family members in preparation for Christmas.
Merry Christmas everyone
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Merry Christmas to you too! Love the photos.....what will happen to Gizmo? Are any of you trying to take him in over here or is he going to get a home in Kabul? (Sorry if that's a daft question. :shy:)
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Bless him/her! :Luv: I have to confess I didn't get round to sending the next batch of parcels as I thought I'd hang on to see if there was other stuff she needed and then it slipped my mind :shy:
Have lots of empty boxes so will get some more parcels sent out to her although I expect they'll be delayed due to the Xmas rush.
Is it the still same carer details to send it to?
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Re: Homing Gizmo, At the moment she will stay in Kabul. It is likely she will move to Canada with her current care-giver if the need arises. But there is always the option of bringing her to the UK.
Please address any further gifts to 'Dave Leggett' at the same address as before.
I will Badger Dave for more updates and photos in the new year.
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I've just raided the cupboards and have filled four boxes for her, the equivalent of 64 meals/pouches (of Bozita), two gourmet perle pouches as a special tea for her and have thrown in a couple of packets of 'Dreamies' cat treats - I predict she will go wild for them :drool;
Will get them wrapped up and will post them on Monday after work. Thanks for the update Don :thanks:
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Posted today ;D
If anyone else is going to the Post office to post Xmas pressies and can spare a few pouches then you can post them free of charge to Gizmo's carer:
Dave Leggett
THALES-LOGISTICS
OP HERRICK
KAIA-NORTH
BFPO 758
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An update on Gizmo as received this morning from kabul
"Gismo doing fine, has turned into a real little tasmanin devil cat. Attacks everything that moves, destroys the office at night but eating well and packing on the lbs. Received afew parcels of food from yourself just after Christmas (She really enjoyed the package of Purina Gourmet Perle) Yesterday another package appeared from a Frances Belfield who must be someone you may know. All in all people around here thought I was opening a Pet Food shop but I have had to hide it these days so I took all the paper files out of my filing cabinet and put them on the floor as she doesn't seem to rip them apart as much."
Happy new year to all
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Aaaaaaaaaw, I have been watching this thread.
She is turning into a fine beauty and sounds very mischievous! :rofl:
Also reminds me... I bought some kitten food in PAH just after Xmas - must get my OH to post it (not Gourmet Perle I'm afraid).
Well done everyone over there for looking after her (such a heart-warming tale).
And Happy New Year too!
Jas
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She's turning into such a stunning girl. (And naughty too, by the sounds of it!) Will try and post more food soon. :)
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Glad she liked the gourmet perle, I only had a few pouches so the rest was Bozita but will get her some more Gourmet Perle next time I go shopping :)
Edit: Hadn't seen the pics as read the post when I was logged out - just fab :Luv:
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She's grown into her ears!
How are you doing for supplies? There seemed to be lots of parcels winging your way a while back so I held off sending anything but if you're getting short please let us know.
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gosh she is gorgeous :Luv2:
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Its been awhile, and I am back in Afghanistan, but not in Kabul.
Just to let everyone know, that Gizmo is doing fine and really growing. It has finally been determined that Gizmo is a 'HE'. But is a little short in that department having only one testicle. Most likely from his early diet deprivation and delayed development.
From those looking after him, this does not seem to slow him down at all he is the source of all mischief going on.
I will try and get some upto date photos and post them, when I can
Regards
To all and many thanks for all the help and pressies he has been getting.
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great to hear from you!
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I was only thinking about
her him the other day, thanks for the update and lovely to hear he's doing OK :) Are his carers in need of any more supplies?
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Yeayyy! Glad he's doing OK. (I was thinking of him the other day too. :))
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A white and ginger tomcat named Gizmo :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
My white and ginger tomcat Wobbel was also called Gizmo by the neighbours who took care of him while he was a stray. They even look alike.....
I think Gizmo-Wobbel might like to send his Kabul namesake some treats.
Where is Gizmo now, I mean: where do we send his presents to, and is there anything in particular he needs/wants?
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Well, its been a long time, just to let you all know that Gizmo is doing fine, I hope to get some photos from his carer to post later.
I thought you might like to take a look at my latest project, here in Kandahar. Two kittens, yet to be named, Their mother gave birth right under our container office, now about six weeks old. The Mother is called 'Koshka' and friendly little soul. Not tame but not feral, she likes to hang out in my office, in the air conditioning. She arrived from out of nowhere pregnant and looking for a safe place to have her kittens. Seeing we are right next door to a K9 unit and a short distance from the wire, it was maybe not a good choice.
Both kits show promise and I will take them on board when they are old enough to leave mum, or if she leaves them earlier. Currently they have started eating solids and have been making great inroads into the K9 dog rations. Which is only fair. Don't worry, cat food is coming in soon from the states via APO. Meantime, they seem to do well enough on the dog food.
One has ginger eyebrows and is the more outgoing, the other is more reserved, but I am working on her.
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Hi from Covcats Koshka to Kandahar Koshka! Our Koshka had 7 kittens 6 weeks ago and all are doing well. Lots of love and cuddles to mum and the kittens.
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:welcome: back Don ;D
Glad to hear that Gizmo is doing well - are there any plans to move him out of Kabul still?
The new kittens (and Mum!) are pretty cute too :Luv: What are teh chances of getting Mum, and babies when old enough, neutered out there?
Do they need any cat food supplies? Would be happy to send some aid parcels if needed :)
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HI,
Gizmo is staying where he is for the moment, he's having a great time. When the time comes to pull out, he will come too. Probably via Nowazad In Kabul, getting Gizmo off base and then back again proved to be a problem. he is an illegal, so they might not let him back on base, so we decided not to chance it.
We are pretty much covered for Koshka and her family at the moment as we have food coming in through the US forces, with their dog food, not here yet, hopefully in the next few days. getting them all out, would again mean a trip to Kabul and Nowazad. But this will need to be reviewed as needed. We only just sent a dog we rescued two years ago back to the US. We like having them around.
I am going to have to do something about injections etc, got to find out how to get the vets stuff. I can administer it and I can get syringes and needles from the medics, but getting the actual medication is going to be interesting. if any one has any ideas on that.
oh they have names now, one of the ladies here assigned them names, Ginger and Muffin.
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Was wondering how Gizmo and co were doing, Don?
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Sorry,
Have not been on the site for some time. To Update. Gizmo is a Canadian now, Unfortunately Dave his owner died recently.
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SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT DAVE AND PLEASED GIZMO IS IN CANADA BUT IS HE OK?
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GIZMO is fine, he lives with Dave's wife.
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GREAT THANKS ;D ;D
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Sorry to hear about Dave
That's great news about Gizmo. That little cat has quite a history.