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Cat Rescue & Rehoming => Rescue & Rehoming General => Topic started by: bonnielass on November 26, 2009, 18:38:17 PM
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Can anyone do a home visit in Lowestoft for Lacie (deaf cat ) please
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Posted in the Rescue Room for you too in case it's overlooked here. ;)
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Thanks JS wasnt sure where to put it :hug:
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I think it's fine in both. I know there's not supposed to be copies of posts, but in this case I think it kind of fits in both sections. ;)
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I might be in Lowestoft on Monday. Would I qualify as a home-checker?
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Don't see why not - get in touch with Bonnielass via PM and see what she says. ;)
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ohh ohh i hope this works out xxx
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I may not be in possession of all the facts here, but...
Do you think it's a good idea for someone in principle (and this could apply to anyone - myself included, so please don't take this personally Tigerbaby) who you only know over the internet, is not affiliated to a local bona-fide rescue, has no local knowledge or experience in home-checking, be responsible for assessing the suitability of someone adopting a cat - yet alone one with special needs?
In light of a very sad thread this week, I felt I had to mention this.
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I think that's a valid point Jasmine, certainly in the light of what's happened and as you say, not to say people we know aren't capable but when things happen it does you make you more cautious if not just to protect those we know.
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I may not be in possession of all the facts here, but...
Do you think it's a good idea for someone in principle (and this could apply to anyone - myself included, so please don't take this personally Tigerbaby) who you only know over the internet, is not affiliated to a local bona-fide rescue, has no local knowledge or experience in home-checking, be responsible for assessing the suitability of someone adopting a cat - yet alone one with special needs?
In light of a very sad thread this week, I felt I had to mention this.
I totally agree with this .
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Isnt there a cp branch who could help with this in the area?
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Helena this has nothing to do with you btw!!! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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While i agree this is a valid point especially in view of the tragic events of this week .,may i also point out that there are people who are supposidly experts who get it wrong .as Willows sad death has proved
I would NEVER home any animal without first going into every possible detail throughly including vets reports and checking things from every angle and until i am completely satisfied that this person and their situation is right for the cat.
I do have experience of working in cat rescue and doing home checks and do work with the local rescues have done for many years even tho im not a rescue myself so i do know what is involved and i do take it personnally that Im considered unsuitable to assess someones suitability to home a cat.
I have taken in several cats ,from this site without people knowing me personally( altho they do now ) and have also fostered 2 cats whose pictures have appeared on here fequently for a Purrs member and she was on the other side of the world so i think that point is irrelevant.
And while Lacie is a special needs cat her wellbeing is my first priority and until im absolutely sure this is her perfect home then she will stay with me
I cant speak for Tigerbabe or for Hales but no doubt they will add comments at some point
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There is nothing personal in this BL as was said but right now everyone is just wanting toi be certain that all the right steps are taken because in Willows case it was thought they were and look at the devasting effect on everyone concerned, especially Andrea.
From now on I think many forums helping animals will tighten their guidelines, which initially will stop animals being rehomed but tightening up must occur.
I am interested in how CP select their homecheckers, do they have a check list of things to look for or ask? I know all branches work different bur we have a number on Purrs.
I like Moira have said I woould never transport a cat again unless i knew about the person and situation the cat was going into but of course then transported Tina cos in a moments blink I lost many of my worries about people and my worry was over the cat.
However I decided in my own mind that I knew enough about what Moira did, especially in relation to truman and I transferred Tina to Moira but of course I could have just as easily got her to a wrong person.
WE have tried once before on maybe Cat Chat to tighten up and get a system of transporters ets in place but we couldnt do it cos a bit like other forums we all only know each other from the web and have never met,
This is a very big problem BL and I think the original posters comments were valid in light of the last week but it is you in your own mind that has to be sure that you have everything buttoned down and take all actions inline with what is the best way forward in your opinion.
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Tosker was handed over to me without any check, nor did I see him before he arrived - though I did discuss him with the vet treating him so knew the medical history I was given was genuine
leaving aside pedigrees and unneutered females, though, I would have thought it very uncommon for anyone to offer to foster or adopt a cat for sinister motives, so must say speaking entirely for myself I would be giving the benefit of the doubt to most parties
after all, it would need both a naive homechecker and/or a devious home offerer to cause a bad situation - which obviously can happen but surely not often
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Just to say I do homechecks for both Cat and Dog rescue - and sadly the home may be perfect but things happen to change that and as unpaid voluteers we do the best we can with the Guidelines we are given
I an quite bad as I like folks to visit me after I have visted them - seeing my lot and the dogs can soon make you change your opinion - we never let folks beu=yond the family room area don't want to scare the ferals but folks who don't want a cat on furniture won't get one from me - I have friends who automatically sit on the floor so not to disturb the cats!
I fo followups for about 5 months where I can but due to life can't always do it for a longer period
I have 3 of my former fosters back here as when folks mentioned former feral rescues got a bit cagey and mention PTS - so home they came - Oscar sleeps on the chair next to our bed, Amber between our pillows next to her daddy :Luv2: and Sailor got the hang of domestication for 10 weeks before he sadly was PTS in May - not everyone can take back but we always say we will take them back if it doesn't work out and home on where we can and let them stay if they need to
BL Lacie is :Luv2: and bearing in mind Helena took on Bear from the "internet" would say she knows what to look for and would be honest in any report back to BL
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To answer some of Gill's questions...
CP doesn't have a set standard or course but our Sharon has actually been instrumental in creating a home checker's book of guidelines which I think has been adopted across other branches. No one gets 'selected'to do home checks as such and most people who voice an interest in home checking will be taken on. Often a new home checker will shadow someone experienced for the first one or two until the feel comfortable.
Home checking is more about the suitability of the home, hazzards, the attitude of potential owners and they ability to care for the animal financially. Home checkers don't and shouldn't go in trying to guess whether the person they are checking is an animal abuser. That is putting far too much responsibility on a volunteer and something even the best psychiatrist is going to get wrong from time to time.
I think we are all becoming paranoid after the Willow incident, which is understandable, but as long as people exist in the world that are prepared to lie or mislead to obtain an animal no pre-adoption home check is going to detect them. In cases where new owners don't readily keep in touch a follow up visit is the best way to avoid another Willow case. ;)
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Thank you Julie I think that gives a good prospective. Thanks also Trigger and Liz :hug:
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hello everyone.
well.......................
i do understand everyones concerns. i suppose in light of the recent events with willow i can totally understand this.
what can i say?
i have contacted local rescues to ask to foster for them. each time i have been turned away (without them meeting me or asking my circumstances) as they have enough foster carers for the cats they can afford to keep.
i am quite prepared to have as many home checks as required both before and after having lacie come to live with us.
believe me i wouldnt offer a home to a special needs cat if i didnt think we could look after her completely.
we have ordered a cattery run to come straight off our back door 9ft x 9ft so that lacie can adventure outdoors in a safe and secure enviroment. her happiness and health will be our most important concern. (as with our other pets)
we hope to foster in the future as i am a stay at home mum after having a stroke, (indoors for the most part of the time and unable to work but want to help animals.
i dont see the comments as being personal as i know that people are still emotional about willow, as am I. i think it was a appaulling case and made me upset. but unless new fosterers and rehomers are given a chance then there will be many other cats who will not find the help they need due to rescues/foster carers having room.
i hope to make friends with many more of you over the coming months and i hope to become a helpful and worthwhile member of the cat care community xx :hug:
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Been thinking about this!!! ;)
If I were to want to be a homechecker then how would I got about it... ie is it just telling me what to do when I get there or do you have a check list etc?
This is different to recent events as there was no homecheck in place! ;) :hug:
I think if its just a case of being told what to do then Helena is that way tomorrow and Im sure is more than capable of the job, she does not even know hales! :hug:
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I agree
putting cats first means not only making sure potential homes/fosterers/homecheckers are suitable, but also making sure that good ones are not turned away because everyone trying to place a cat has become paranoid
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Here here!
I hope Helena can help you out tomorrow Hales :hug:
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Bazmum, if you're being specific then email our Sharon and she will send you a copy of the guidelines she created. They give a good insight about what you should be looking for. ;)
If you're being hypothetical then the RSPCA is the only organisation I know of to give special training to home checkers. Everyone else (CP or any other rescues I know) relies on a mentoring system - accompanying experienced checkers until they get a feel for things. Some rescues will require you to fill in paperwork and issue you a check list but not all of them do. I've had vastly different experiences from doing doggie home checks! :Crazy:
Basically, there is no set requirements as policies will be different nearly every time and every rescue will vary in proceedure. :hug:
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Just wondering for this situation Julie.....Seems a shame Helena up or down that way that's all! ;) :hug: :hug:
I am already a homechecker btw....I have to constantly check mine cos me little puds are always laying traps for me! :evillaugh: :hug:
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The RSPCA are an odd bunch with it anyway. When I got Mog (14 years ago) noone checked my home, they asked what area I was in and deemed me fit to take on a cat entirely on that basis....but when I took on a rat, someone came to check. And that was only a couple of years later! (The rat was also a sweetie, by the way. A soft as grease brown boy called Orion who was a tea addict!)
Maybe if hales were to send BL her vet details for a reference that would put peoples mind at ease.
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The vet ref is a good idea, but I also think to actually visit the place and being able to view other animals etc is just as important!!! ;) :hug:
What do you think BL? :hug:
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I meant both. ;) Helena doing a home check (if someone in rescue sends a list of what constitutes a safe home check) and a call from BL to the vets.
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Yes that sounds good...Obviously BL will have to confirm this not us lol! ;) :hug:
Hales.....Do you have a spot light as I hear Helena has the thumb screws!!! :evillaugh: :hug: :hug:
And please dont anyone take this personal on here.....Everyone is just an extra bit cautious at the mo!!! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I may not be in possession of all the facts here, but...
Do you think it's a good idea for someone in principle (and this could apply to anyone - myself included, so please don't take this personally Tigerbaby) who you only know over the internet, is not affiliated to a local bona-fide rescue, has no local knowledge or experience in home-checking, be responsible for assessing the suitability of someone adopting a cat - yet alone one with special needs?
In light of a very sad thread this week, I felt I had to mention this.
I quite agree Jasmine and was about to post something along the same lines. No offence to anyone but I think all homechecks should be done by experienced homecheckers who are used to it and get gut feelings about things as well as picking up on issues at a glance.
I think lessons should be learned from what happened to Willow and Purrs has a responsibility to not behave like some other forums.
A vet check can't possibly cover eveything - it just says people take their pets to the vet - nothing more.
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Mark, I think that comes across a little harshly. A large percentage of people on here would certainly not "dabble" where the welfare of an animal was concerned. A few I can think of go above and beyond as much as a rescue. (More, in some cases......)
Ultimately, the decision is bonnielass' to make anyway. The thread wasn't asking for opinions, it was asking for a home checker. ;)
Whatever decision's made will be made with Lacies best interests at heart, I'm sure.
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I don't think purrs should allow posting like the other forum. I am only thinking of the cats. I know most people on here take welfare very seriously but this is the exact same thing the other forum did and animals died because of it.
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I agree Mark , but you also have to take into account that purrs is very different to the other place, in the fact that this has never happened and I doubt will happen here. :shy:
I think a vets ref is a very good idea as they can give you an insight as to how the owner acts, not just to which meds/ treatment an animal had had. :) For me personaily you can tell how a person is by the way they conduct themselves :shy:
But do agree in light of everthing thats gone on you cannot take the chance (no offence to anyone there)
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On the other forum the said rescues had been told (given false) information....The said person had not had a valid homecheck in the past 18 months! ;)
I dont know what Purrs policy is with ref to this? One thing for sure I know they certainly would not hide any information that is vital, or try and sweep it under the carpet! ;) :hug: :hug:
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As said I dont think purrs would have a policy as to this as it's down to the rescue to do their own checks- which they do. Purrs is just a forum (sorry purrs :hug: ) to helped rescue folk out, not take on their tasks but I do believe no person on purrs would lie about anything with things relating to this.
Am I getting into a family dispute here? :sneakin: :evillaugh:
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Hales has agreed to whatever checks need to be made ,be it vet ref. and HC or anything else thats needed.
Hopefully someone can answer me why other people can ask for HC etc and people offer to take in cats to help (which ive done frequently) and everyone is prepared to help but i have asked for the same thing and have got nothing but critisim from people (apart from a few ) because im trying to find a home for a special little lady.
While i can understand the points raised i dont see why my trying to do the best for Lacie should have caused such paranoia
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I think it is only because of what happened last week - nothing personal against you BL :hug:.
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I think it is only because of what happened last week - nothing personal against you BL :hug:.
Agreed :)
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The paranoia BL is just because of the Willow and Oliver case and I think you alone , as I said before can make the decision on whether you think Helena has enough knowledge or you can advise what to put in her report to you.
Purrs has no poicy as such on this but we would not want to be seen as a forum that is just the facilitator of transport and home checkers, thats not what we are about at all.
Mark you were once and not too long ago a new home checker, and all home checkers have to get there experience from somewhere!
I think we are all very sensitive and wary at the moment, rightly so but BL you are the one that has to make the decision, we cant do it for you, so make it and stick to it, its either yes you go for it or no you wont!
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I don't think purrs should allow posting like the other forum.
Trust me, Mark - Purrs doesn't. ;) Being a member of both due to being told quite some time ago the other site was safe I posted some of Nickys cats on there. I won't be doing again; the site is less than professional and not at all welcoming like this one.
BL you are the one that has to make the decision, we cant do it for you, so make it and stick to it, its either yes you go for it or no you wont!
Entirely true. It's ultimately bonnielass decision and whatever she decides she won't have come to the end result lightly.
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Mark you were once and not too long ago a new home checker, and all home checkers have to get there experience from somewhere!
I guess 3 years wasn't too long ago - but I had the advantage of being able to phone experienced people straight after a visit listing all the possible things that concerned me and the final decision wasn't mine. It took a while for me to be confident enough to give a home a thumbs up without conferring (trust me, I am strict -I am totally against homing cats where people smoke in the house as I think it is cruel making animals passive smokers)
There is even recent technology that can help - you can check an address on googlemaps and see how close it is to railway lines & roads before deciding which type of cat is suitable.
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But you are also wise with it and know that some houses on the face of it are not brill to look at but the owners are wonderful carers of their cats ;D
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But you are also wise with it and know that some houses on the face of it are not brill to look at but the owners are wonderful carers of their cats ;D
Which is the bottom line :)
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I think that's something we can all agree on. ;)
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But you are also wise with it and know that some houses on the face of it are not brill to look at but the owners are wonderful carers of their cats ;D
When did you see my house? :shify: :evillaugh:
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But you are also wise with it and know that some houses on the face of it are not brill to look at but the owners are wonderful carers of their cats ;D
When did you see my house? :shify: :evillaugh:
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I am sorry if I have offended you Bonnielass, and Hales - I didn't realise you were the prospective adopter so it was a bit insensitive of me to post here.
On hindsight, I should have started a new thread, as BL you are quite right there have been many similar posts requesting help in the past - it just so happens I have commented on yours.
TBH I have always felts a little apprehensive about the arrangement of long-distance homing/fostering/transporting over forums as I think this is more open to abuse, although I'm sure many cats have been helped this way that otherwise wouldn't have.
(Maybe admin would like to separate posts on this discussion to a new topic??)
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listen. i am totally aware of what happened to poor willow. it was terrible and i as much as anyone was angry. to treat any animal (or person come to that) in that way is discusting and i hope justice is served. so i totally understand the thoughts of people
i am however not like that. the welfare of all my pets are as important to me as that of my children. because there has been a terrible incident it doesnt mean the re-homing system/ fostering system has failed at all. it means there was a wicked person who fooled people into thinking they were animal lovers and i honestly think that on the whole people on here are animal carers and not out to decieve.
lets be honest if i wanted a cat all i had to do is logg in to preloved or ad trader and there are loads free to good home. i could have a house full with no home check. as many as i wanted.
my husband i beleive we can offer lacie or someone like her a loving and safe home.
we hope to become valued members of the cat rescue world. we have thought about starting our own cat rescue as there sees to very little here. but finacially its not viable at the moment. so we will help those we feel able to until something cahnges.
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changes :Crazy:
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it means there was a wicked person who fooled people into thinking they were animal lovers and i honestly think that on the whole people on here are animal carers and not out to decieve.
we hope to become valued members of the cat rescue world.
Its nothing to do with you as a person Hales :hug:
The thing in question was partly down to the rescue as they had failed to do the propper checks, so not just one person duping everyone :shy:- all people are saying is things need to be done by the book for the sake of the cats :)
I hope you BL and Helena get this sorted :hug:
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this does sadden me though
I think if I were in Hales' position I wouldn't take it personally, but I would be mightily discouraged
it's a very fine line we tread here
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Yes I agree Trigger, but after all its all about the cats ;)
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Oh dear, sometimes the hole gets deeper...
I wasn't actually posting on Purrs at present (apart from the auction) because I'm really not well and can't cope with any upset.
Hales, I don't wish in any way to imply that you can't provide a good home, you sound very nice and genuine - and I myself have enquired about adopting a cat from another part of the country before that I fell in love with.
However, as a general comment, I think that when a cat's welfare is at stake, I just dont' think you can take things on trust (although I appreciate no system is completely foolproof) and I stick by my original observation.
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this does sadden me though
I think if I were in Hales' position I wouldn't take it personally, but I would be mightily discouraged
thats exactly how i feel,
im not taking it personally i understand that feelings are running high
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This thread was just brought to my attention.
I think it's absolutely hypocritical that it's all of a sudden so :censored: out of order for someone like me (an active member for a long time, experienced cat owner, with a special needs rescue cat of my own) to carry out a home check. ESPECIALLY when I adopted from Blackpool Cats in Care - through this website- WITHOUT ANYBODY EVEN DOING A HOME CHECK ON ME.
Seems like a contradiction in terms.
Good luck finding a good home for the poor little cat.
Reminds me of the :censored: I had to go through to get a rescue cat in the first place. Sometimes trying to do good things for the world just backfires right back in your face!
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@ Tigerbaby! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Have pm'd you TB!!! ;)
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Reminds me of the :censored: I had to go through to get a rescue cat in the first place. Sometimes trying to do good things for the world just backfires right back in your face!
thanks :hug: :hug:
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I still maintain that for the sake of cats, "we" can't afford to be casual about things any more. It isn't any kind of personal attack on anyone and I would expect anyone with cats interest at heart to realise this - ie like Brambles attitude in the Derby homecheck thread. I think it is sad that people with the cats interest at heart are being made to feel like they are causing trouble and attacking people rather than being extra cautious after the events of the last week. Another thing is there are so many different types of special needs - it isn't a general condition. My mum cared for her blind cat for 12 years and there were so many issues - not only things like never moving furniture, but other things such as weight control due to lack of exercise, needing 24 hour cat sitting if she had to be away overnight etc etc.
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I think it's absolutely hypocritical that it's all of a sudden so :censored: out of order for someone like me (an active member for a long time, experienced cat owner, with a special needs rescue cat of my own) to carry out a home check. ESPECIALLY when I adopted from Blackpool Cats in Care - through this website- WITHOUT ANYBODY EVEN DOING A HOME CHECK ON ME.
Seems like a contradiction in terms.
Reminds me of the :censored: I had to go through to get a rescue cat in the first place. Sometimes trying to do good things for the world just backfires right back in your face!
My sentiments exactly, seems if your face fits your in but some of us always remain outsiders
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please maintain the standards on purrs concerning bad language.
i think helena that you are ignoring everything thats has happened in the last week and should not see this as an attack on you.
its bls decision, not ours whether you do a home check and it seems that she has chosen for you not to do it, so please do not attack us.
all that has been said on this thread is that in view of the last week maybe peeps must take more care, nothing else.
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Everybody feels sensitive over all that happened last week. But before Capone was placed with TB I was in contact with her via PM for quite a while, and I still get regular updates about the handsome lad, including pictures so I can see how loved he is.
Ultimately, it's noones decision but BLs, hales and Tigerbabys. I agree with trigger that we can't go so far the other way we descend into paranoia and no cats are homed for fear of making a mistake. I wish BL all the luck trying to organise a homecheck and hope that Lacie is safe in her new home in time for Christmas.
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Sorry for my bad language. That's why I put the Censored kitty up.
The thread really rattled my cage, not only because I read a lot of very narrow minded and negative comments but also because I remember the kerfuffle I had to go through adopting Capone when most rescues made me feel I was an unsuitable owner because I wanted to adopt an indoor cat after losing my cat to the road. Thankfully people like JackSpratt exist, who could base her judgement on what she knew about me, what she has seen and read on here and on Facebook, trusted her intuition and let me adopt Capone, a victim of RTA with a smashed pelvis, fresh out of surgery from his tail amputation). He is now a very happy kitty living on the countryside and very much loved.
I guess my point is, I would've thought people on this site would be more encouraging when fellow members want to get involved in home checking, and not the opposite.
It's a bit hard not taking it personal when most, if not all of you, know this is something I would be very much capable of doing, not just because you all (should) know how much of an experienced cat owner/lover I am, that I have first hand experience with a special needs cat, and that I am not ''just a person on the internet'' who ''dabble''. I find those comments very arrogant and undermining. I mean what does it take to do a home check? A freaking degree in rehoming? I have been in contact with BL who sent me a list of things to check for, I have actually volunteered at 2 different rescue places too, at both I have experienced a home check first hand and I even sat through an introduction lesson on this very subject at Mayhew Animal Home. I have just never done a home check on my own.
As it happens I'm not going up to Lowestoft today so you will be pleased to know the job will probably go to an experienced person within an organized rescue.
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Thank you Helena i really appreciate that you were willing to do this for me,Lacie and Hales, :hug:
This thread can be closed as i wont be posting again asking for help to get Lacie her forever home
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I'm extremely saddened by the end result of this thread. A home check was offered by a known member of the site who obviously cares a great deal for her own cat and as far as I know vet details were passed on to Bonnielass. No, tigerbaby isn't a home checker with a "recognised" rescue; but in all honesty I think a lot of the big rescues are not particularly that great. That's not to say that some of the people within them don't do some worthwhile work; but the same can be said of smaller, less known organisations.
I hope Lacie gets to be in her new home for Christmas and wish BL luck in organising things.
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In our branch we usually select (ask) those we feel would make good home checkers and like to use people who we have known for a while. We have a home check trainer who has been a fosterer for more years than I can remember and is very experienced. Any potential home checker goes out with her until they and indeed her feels comfortable for them to go it alone. Having said that all potential new owners have already been spoken to at length so a home check is not even offered if it is thought there is no point in a home check.
CP do have home check guidelines although as with everything there are grey areas and nothing is black and white. Gut feeling always comes into it, although our feeling is very important and no matter how nice a person is we have a responsibility to our little ones to get it right. a cats interest is paramount. Even friends and relations are home checked by a someone who is unknown to them.
We would never ask anyone who is not experienced to do a home visit and certainly not allow anyone who we don’t actually know to do one for us no matter how urgent it is to re-home a cat.
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I have to back Helena on this I'm afraid she could have easily done the homecheck - I'm sure she is more than capable in fact having got her darling Capone am sure this puts her in a very good position
Gill you took Tina to Moira's without having met her and yes Moira is a good person but so was the other person before all this came to light
I have never been formally trained but have homed over 100 of my former fosters to lovely homes and still get cards to this day including Onyx and Orion who are now in New Zealand
I do dog rescue homechecks and know what to look for and what not to look for why because I have dud fences and due to our crew only bring Puppies in so9 the cats can train them
I hope BL can get Lacie in to a lovely home before Christmas but if not I'm sure she will stay with BL till the right thing can be done
We can't judge all rescues on what has happened or we would never home cats till we had iron clad contracts and homes rechecked every week - in an ideal world that would be wonderful but it just doesn't happen even in CP Ela
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Liz it was not my decision whether Helena did the home check or not, its Bonnielasses.
Bonnielass had it in her power to ask Helena or not.
All that has been said on this thread is that after a week ago maybe more care will have to be taken for fostering etc.....some will some wont but its their choice not ours.
Yes I did take Tina to Moira because I knew about what she was involved with at home and about Truman. It was thought about very carefully off forum.
Moira post regularly on Purrs and we have seen all the pictures and I have met her and spoken to her on the phone and off forum. I made a decision about Tina and stick with it and its not fair to drag Moira into something which is not about her.
If a decision has not been made about Lacie, that is nothing to do with me and what JS knows or doesnt know, I am not a party too.
Every person has to account for their own decison making and I am not responsible for any of it, unless its mine, likewise for yourself and others.
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We can't judge all rescues on what has happened or we would never home cats till we had iron clad contracts and homes rechecked every week - in an ideal world that would be wonderful but it just doesn't happen even in CP Ela
Agreed. Am currently experiencing trouble with an ex stray placed by CP on the next road to me. He regularly tries to get in( or gets in) our house and this is obviously disruptive for my cats. I contacted the owner and he refuses to put in a cat flap despite shutting his cat out in all weathers. (He claims he doesn't - but the cat in question tried to get in on a particularly frosty day THREE times.....)The CP claim they've spoken to him and there's nothing they can do.
.... that is nothing to do with me and what JS knows or doesnt know, I am not a party to.
Sorry, bit confused....with regards to what? ;)
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if i knew that offering to help a cat was going to cause so much hassle i wouldnt have bothered! :Crazy:
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Everybody feels sensitive over all that happened last week. But before Capone was placed with TB I was in contact with her via PM for quite a while, and I still get regular updates about the handsome lad, including pictures so I can see how loved he is.
About this Js!
Hales I hope you are able to get Lacie or another cat, its just that the timing was wrong when the original post came up, that was nobodys fault at all, not BL, not Helena, and not yours.
I too am now getting out of this thread too cos its all getting far too over the top especially as the home check couldnt have been done anyway.
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im out of here too. i really cant help that things happened with willow and oliver and it seems more cats will be PTS or remain homeless if people arent willing to give people the chance to help. be it as homecheckers, transport or fosters/newhome.
like i said before, if i just wanted another cat i could go on gumtree, preloved,ad trader and within the hour i would have a free cat. surely the fact that im willing to be homechecked and keep contact with BL
proves the fact that i am a responsible pet owner?
surely if i was unsuitable i wouldnt want people looking through my home and looking at my pets now would I.
i dont want any futher involement with this disscussion so am leaving the thread,
just a thought though. couldnt this have been discussed in another thread instead of stampeding over BL request for help?
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The CP claim they've spoken to him and there's nothing they can do.
Unfortunately the CP can only advise, they have no powers in law to enforce any type of animal welfare.
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just a thought though. couldnt this have been discussed in another thread instead of stampeding over BL request for help?
Fair point. ;)
And thanks for clarifying, Gill. :) If I'm not a nosey parker about homes cats are going to, Nicky is. ;)
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The CP claim they've spoken to him and there's nothing they can do.
Unfortunately the CP can only advise, they have no powers in law to enforce any type of animal welfare.
Even when they've placed a cat themselves? That actually surprises me quite a lot.
Sorry, BL not on topic at all!
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Nope, not at all, JS. :shy: CP can use the signed adoption form as a basis for action to reclaim the cat we rehomed if the adopter is not honouring the agreement, but CP have no powers of seizure or prosecution I'm afraid... not even when the cat came from us. :( In practice if an ex-cat of ours was being mistreated in its new home we would ask the RSPCA to intervene. :innocent:
Sorry about being off topic as well but this question needed answering. :)
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Thanks for clarification, Julie. Wouldn't the agreement have been that the cat was indoor/outdoor though, so surely some suitable way for him to come and go should be established? D'you know what, you can PM me about all this if you want.....I feel bad taking over a thread about something else entirely. ;)
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Can somebody please provide an update regarding Lacie? Was the homecheck carried out?
Hope Lacie has a nice home for Christmas
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Yvonne, I think they're still trying to organise one.
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As i didnt recieve the help i requested and was put in the wrong for trying to organise a HC via a Purrs person i have been trying to do it another way but not having any luck, no-one is returning e-mails/calls so it looks like Lacie will be staying with me
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Hope something turns up! ;) :hug:
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As i didnt recieve the help i requested and was put in the wrong for trying to organise a HC via a Purrs person i have been trying to do it another way but not having any luck, no-one is returning e-mails/calls so it looks like Lacie will be staying with me
Not by everybody Bonnie - I think the vast majority backed you
At the end of the day the decision is yours and yours alone - do not let anybody bully you
Take care :hug:
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I am sorry that you couldnt find someone to do the homecheck, is there no way you could drive, take her with you and do the homecheck that way?
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Sorry i have not read the whole thread here as it seems to of gone of topic abit..! However, has the lady trying to organise a HC for Lacie contact the local Cp branch! Our branch willingly does HC for other rescues (Persian rescue, other rescues that are not part of CP).. I have no dealings with CP branches outside of the Kent area but i am sure that they would be willing if you explained the situation.. I dont know the whole story myself.. so this may not be what you are hoping for..
BTW not sure if anyone knows.. but CP HQ has recentlly come up with HC guildelines for branches and the public. OUr branch has a "manual" of our own, which i did let CP HQ see and it would seem they have used a few of our policy information. There publication is much posher then our.. A downloaded version of the HC guildelines for the general public has been put on our website (Under Home a Cat) scroll down... As i cannot see us posting it on to people that contact us.. Anyhow not sure if that helps or not!
BTW by doing HC for one branch, rescue, it usually means they return the favour in the future. Which is why.. as a branch we have managed to HC and rehome cats way outside our area.. Kirst 2 boys are a case in point and so is Rae who has Melissa. Both rehomed miles away from us.. I know that some branches of CP are so old fashioned that they cause a right palaver asking for one and also some flatly refuse. But they will in the future have to join the gang of doing there bit to rehome any cat, not just the ones in their care..
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Thank you Sharon :hug: