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Other Animal welfare issues & petitons => Other Animal Petitions & Welfare & News => Topic started by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 12, 2007, 12:12:03 PM
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Please sign this petition to stop this happening agian.
A dog was tried up and left to look at a Food - left there until he died !
This was done in the name of ART
Link is futher down on page 2
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Are you serious ???? This is disgusting and the person involved should be locked up!
I have signed the petition (Not sure what language it is in though).
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Looks like its Spanish or Portugese.
I will not sign something I cannot understand cos it could be saying anything.
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Here's some proof - what a sick piece of scum this so called "artist" is >:(
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You remove it Gill, this is my last post on here as I am sick of your ridiculous censoring.
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It's spanish in the Honduras. Sick. Sick. Sick.
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Looks like its Spanish or Portugese.
I will not sign something I cannot understand cos it could be saying anything.
I will try and find somewhere on the net to translate it -
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THIS IS WHAT I MANAGED TO TRANSLATE - IF ANYONE CAN DO IT BETTER PLEASE POST IT
It is inadmissible that the rights of the animals are trampled thus and that the "artist" had gathered it from the street to allow it to die moored with a rope to the wall of the galer à - to when it had the opportunity not to do it or even to save it.
“Según I knew to the dog murià ³ to dÃa following by lack of food. During inauguracià ³ n I knew that the dog was persecuted in the evening between the houses of aluminum and cartà ³ n of a district of Managua with santo name who Habacuc that could not need at the moment. 5 niños of which they helped in the capture received 10 bonds of cà ³ rdobas by his colaboracià ³ n. During exhibicià ³ n some people requested the freedom of the small dog, to which él artist rehusà ³. The name of the dog was (it was) Natividad, and I let myself to him die of at sight hunger of all, as if the death of a poor dog was a show medià tico impertinent in whom nobody does nothing mà s that to applaud or to watch disturbed. “
We can do nothing for this dog but if to treat of that the organizers of the Biennial Central American Honduras 2008 do not admit this "artist" maltratador of animals. I request you adhere to the above mentioned request and that you spread m Ã: s that you is possible this shameful act to gather the m Ã: ximo of signatures and to veto it in the biennial one.
OK NOW GILL ????????????
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'please help the members decide wether or not to read the thread by popping a cruelty warning and avoid including any description of the actual cruelty in the title of your post.'
above are Tan's words regarding cruelty posts, why is this being ignored?
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I had this through a few weeks ago as well >:( >:( ........he is a sorry excuse for a human, scum of the earth and as far as I'm concerned, the one's that attended the art exhibition and stood by and did nothing are just as guilty, I hope they all rot :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:
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Dawn, as a moderator on this board, could you please answer my question?
Thanks
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mark we didnt need a picture >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I think the picture is appropiate, I know it's not nice but we can't keep burying our heads in the sand.........this goes on, has gone on and will continue going on as long as people pretend it's not happening and do nothing about it.
Sorry Gill but I agree with Mark.
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It is truly disgusting. I rather suspect that the perpetrator is relishing his notoriety, unfortunately.
I would be inclined to remove the picture of the poor poor dog and post up a link, myself. I don't believe it's a question of censorship, it's just that the picture is so very upsetting, particularly for any youngsters who may be reading.
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Please will someone have the courtesy to respond, I find this post upsetting, why aren't the board guidelines as stipulated by Tan being adhered to?
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'please help the members decide wether or not to read the thread by popping a cruelty warning and avoid including any description of the actual cruelty in the title of your post.'
above are Tan's words regarding cruelty posts, why is this being ignored?
Jasmine you make a good point. But you can see the difficulty we have as some people (like me) are distressed beyond belief by these things but others feel censored if they cannot draw attention to them to prevent their recurrence.
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Dawn, as a moderator on this board, could you please answer my question?
Thanks
Sorry Jasmine, the thread has a triangle warning which will signify the post will be upsetting. The title can be altered to take out the act of cruelty, I'll do that now for you.
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Please will someone have the courtesy to respond, I find this post upsetting, why aren't the board guidelines as stipulated by Tan being adhered to?
If you give me chance, I will alter it.
MODIFIED TO ADD
It's been altered.
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:thanks:
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This thread has a warning and an approreate title now so please do not come in if you find it upsetting. :thanks: :hug: There is a petition to sign so it's something that we maybe able to help with.
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Thanks Tan :hug:
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This was said at the beginning of the thread which had a traingle and I was fine with that but like Christine I think the picture should be removed as the original poster who made the thread said this:
I WILL NOT POST THE PICS AS VERY UPSETTING
http://www.petitiononline.com/13031953/
Now that someone has deemed themselves to portray and act which was not intended will someone kindly change the title to say the picture is now in because I find this outside the the rules .
I wash my hands of the people who are intent of turning this forum into a side show , I have not censored anything but if you want mods and admin not to be able to look at petition threads because you insist on adding something that the thread originator deliberately did not show, well congratulations cos I for one will not be looking at them.
I do not like being called ridiculous because I am against the showing of unnecessary pictures of cruelty, this in my opinion is degrading both for the animal and also for the viewer.
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'please help the members decide wether or not to read the thread by popping a cruelty warning and avoid including any description of the actual cruelty in the title of your post.'
above are Tan's words regarding cruelty posts, why is this being ignored?
Jasmine you make a good point. But you can see the difficulty we have as some people (like me) are distressed beyond belief by these things but others feel censored if they cannot draw attention to them to prevent their recurrence.
Thanks hun this is exactly why we have the warning symbols, a buddy list and a new board in now. :Luv:
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I will change the title of the thread now Gill. The sad thing is in a lot of cruelty, horrible as it is, the message doesn't always hit home with a lot of people unless they see pictures.........a picture makes the animal in question real and people are then compelled to do something about it.
I feel that it's a shame that the forum is coming to this, we have now lost another member who I personally think is an asset to the forum. I would have thought the Triangle and the title should be enough to deter peeps from looking if they feel they will find it too upsetting.
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NOW MY TURN TO GET THE HUMP
I put a WARNING ICON in the message
I put what the subject was about so nobody got a surprise when they opened the thread
WHAT MORE CAN I DO ???
Jasmine ,
So tell me - if you didnt like the nature of the thread WHY did you open it ?
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I was happy with what you did Michelle and I think you did it the correct way, its somebody else who has added to the thrtead that has caused the problem
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Dawn the thread was started absolutley correctly and as it was a petition against cruelty then Michelle was so right not to post the picture and how can we sign a petition if we cant look at a thread cos a link can be used to see the cruelty if thats what people need but others would like to be able to sign and do not need visual stimulus to do this.
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This is so awful, did this really happen??
I have signed the petition.
:RIP: doggy - you are in a better place now.
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Dawn the thread was started absolutley correctly and as it was a petition against cruelty then Michelle was so right not to post the picture and how can we sign a petition if we cant look at a thread cos a link can be used to see the cruelty if thats what people need but others would like to be able to sign and do not need visual stimulus to do this.
I can understand what you're saying Gill but as far as the picture that Mark posted, it's no worse than any you would see on an advert for the RSPCA or similar on TV or in the vets.
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Although I was shocked by the picture it prompted me to sign the petition.
Cannot believe how evil man can be sometimes!!
:RIP:
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once again the minority are dictating to the majority, once this thread is closed then they can pretend the problem isn't there.
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Why has the title to this thread been changed??
Nobody will know what it is about now.
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Its about how people can even when told not to look if easily upset still look get upset and then dictate to the rest of us
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Let's turn this thread around peeps. Michelle, please could you post the link again? I think it was valuable as a petition and I am sure if anyone wants to read it the warning in the title will be clear enough that they can choose whether or not to read it. Let's get back to the purpose of this forum peeps.
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I agree with you Ruth.
The petiton and the translation we were getting was a valuable thing and I think it should be reposted.
Sorry Dawn I dont agree and I will not look at the stuff RSPCA does either cos most is just there as a shock thing.
I also do not agree that the majority are being dictated to by the few, in fact I think its the other way round. It is quite easy to stop all the shock horror that upsets so many by putting a link..........so why isnt this being done?
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http://www.petitiononline.com/13031953/
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Thanks Michelle. May I edit the title for you hun?
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Thanks Michelle. May I edit the title for you hun?
Do what you want hun...........past caring !
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I've updated it with your original and the note of cruelty. I'm sorry you felt the need to change it to start. It was not necessary :hug:
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If this is going to happen when folks want to post on this issue it will only put them off.
The warning sign on the subject heading is clear enough to everyone what the post/thread is about so if they wont to bury their heads & make believe that no level of cruelty anywhere exists then they do not open the post/thread & ignore.
Yes unnecessary cruelty of any kind is upsetting & distressing & MUST be made aware of to the public of all ages...that includes kids most of all....and by removing a photo or a link that includes photos etc or sticking heads in sand does not make it go away. The public needs to see these photos as prove of the level of barbaric cuerlty that is going on day in & day out & yes if it shocks them more the better...that way they might get involved in stoping it.
Animal cruelty moves on to kids & others...well know fact. Personaly i would have this on billbords etc
Its hard for tan & management to please everyone but this should not MUST not go ignored......& it wont go away by sticking heads in sand
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Tried to sign it but two of the 'required' fields are in another language so don't know what to put! Anyone know what they mean?
Ciudad / Localidad: (required)
PaÃs: (required)
Its hard for tan & management to please everyone but this should not MUST not go ignored......& it wont go away by sticking heads in sand
Well said RR
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City and Country, Helen
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City and Country, Helen
Thanks Ruth... Signed
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Why has the title been changed back again?
Michelle, it was your title that I found too graphic (I didn't need to open the post and read more). I only asked for the Mods to adhere to Tan's instructions on the posting of cruelty posts.
RR, some days I will stick my head in the sand if I like thank you very much, it's a great coping mechanism, if I took on board all the horrific cruelty in this world every day, I'm sure I would end up slitting my wrists.
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The title was changed back as you can see from Tan's post. It was in keeping with the guideline (and it is a guideline). As also stated in the guideline, should a member, based on the title, not wish to read the post they have that choice. The original title was clear enough.
This topic (moderating) has been covered in other threads. We should move on form this to the actual topic of this thread.
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RR, some days I will stick my head in the sand if I like thank you very much, it's a great coping mechanism, if I took on board all the horrific cruelty in this world every day, I'm sure I would end up slitting my wrists.
Not when you sticking your head in the sand makes all of us stick our head in the sand
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All I'm asking is for the 'starving to death' part of the title to be removed, as Tan did originally.
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I will not edit this further, there is no need to. I am moving on from this, I suggest others do too. We cannot keep everyone happy all the time.
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Jasmine i did what i felt was best !
Lets face it I couldnt win could i ?
If i HAD NOT put that the thread was about a dog starving to death I would have got slated when the thread was opened because there hadnt been a warning !
You then would have said "oh i wish i had known it was about a dog starving to death, You could have warned me"
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All I'm asking is for the 'starving to death' part of the title to be removed, as Tan did originally.
WHY ?
You have read it now, You know what it is about !
Why do you want the title changed ?
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yep damned if you do, damned if you don't
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The petition has 278910 sigs - Brilliant
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Folks, I will, unless there is a substantive objection, rename this as "How can this cruelty be classed as art", as DiddyDawn did before. I believe her judgement was right, in that it acts both as a call to action and a warning. No-one is censored thereby and everyone is made aware.
I sincerely believe that our (understandable) disagreements are distracting good people of good will, all of whom are on the same side when it comes to animal welfare.
I hope for your support in my interpretation of this forums rules...
May I add that I myself have learnt from several previous incidents and hope to be able to get the balance right for ALL members.
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Thanks for posting this guys, I have tears - but its those tears that create the fight within me to want to help put a stop to it.
Off to sign now :hug:
I don't know about the rest of the country but in scotland we have television ads by the sspca which show things no worse that that (if no worse is the proper thing to say as it is bad by any standard) There are no warning triangles before in comes on though - any time of day inbetween normal programs on normal channels. My kids see them and i am glad, I want my son (and daughter when she understands) to grow up with a fire in his belly and sheer venom against the monsters that carry out these acts of hell !
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308460 signatures now !
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Cheers Lynn.
Shame this thread has caused so many problems !
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I suppose what the artist is trying to say is how come the uproar about one dog when there are thousands of people starving in the world. Well thats what I make of it anyway. :shy:
I think it's disgusting and has to stop!
Is this done on a regular basis?
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Signed in my name and my partners - I asked permission first!
CC: It possibly is the message the artist is trying to get across. Difference is, sometimes people can't do much about a situation whereas the one he put the dog in was an act of cruelty done on purpose.
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I suppose what the artist is trying to say is how come the uproar about one dog when there are thousands of people starving in the world. Well thats what I make of it anyway. :shy:
And also I suppose the difference between animals and humans is that humans have a voice, animals have to rely on us. What this guy did was disgusting, this poor animal could have been helped and maybe saved or at least put out of it's misery. To watch an animal suffer and do nothing about is just sick beyond belief :censored:
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Well doesn't this thread say it all? I'm totally with DiddyDawn's view on this. The reason this was posted is quite clear; it was also posted by somebody who cares deeply.
For christ sake nobody likes to see animal cruelty and especially me. However, I refuse to bury my head in the sand and ignore it. For those seriously interested in animal welfare, rather than flirting with it for effect or to make penfriends, etc, it helps to re-double determination and fight.
The RSPCA have far worse than this in their event advertising boards. It turns my stomach but I would defend them on this it so that the anger is turned to practical use in being determined to help other animals where possible. To deny it is to be part of the problem in my book. Nobody said it was easy. Besides the scroll by option is always available.
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Well said.
I just wish there was more we could do other than signing our name and giving money where we can :(
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I just wonder how many people who have signed this petition will be perpetuating animal cruelty by sitting down to enjoy their roast Sunday lunch today?
I might bury my head sometimes, but I get a feeling some people are face down right up to their waist.
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It's a little difficult to be entirely self-righteous about meat eating when we keep, as pets, carnivores. The source of our pet's meat is probably not something you would want to enquire too closely into.
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I'm not BC, but I just want to give some food for thought to people who think they are. :sneaky:
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I did not realise that being a meat eater qualified as animal cruelty - I wonder how others feel about this??
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I am a meat eater and have no difficulty with this. However, I do make sure that my meat comes from a source where i can be sure the animals have not been subjected to some of the many horrors that are involved in the commercial production of meat. I am fortunate that I can afford to make this choice - many can't. However, I do get extremely irritated with people who eat meat but react with horror and dismay at the thought of seeing the animal in question being slaughtered, and or engaging in the active slaughter of an animal themselves. I grew up on a farm so have had to do that. The passage from life to death of an animal is a powerful experience if you are the agent of that death. If you are unwilling to be responsible for it, then you probably should not eat meat... Just my opinion.
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Yvonne, I just want to make clear to yourself and any other meat-eaters on the forum, I am not attacking you (the majority of my friends and family are meat-eaters.) :hug:
This is just my personal view and I accept there are many others on the subject.
The point of my thread really is we are not all black and white, there are many grey areas and because some people wish to ignore some aspects of animal cruelty, they shouldn't be castigated because others don't.
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modiifed because I realise post somehow on wrong thread.
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chill Jasmine - no-one is attacking you, nor is anyone feeling attacked, we are just having a philosophical discussion on the subject you raised is all :)
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Please can we keep this thread on topic? If anyone wishes to start a new thread re vegetarianism elsewhere that's fine, but can we make sure this one doesn't meander too far off topic, and keep it about the petition please.
Thanks :hug:
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yes marm!! :rofl:
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Re my post a bit further down- I agree I think it's absolutely horrendous and has to be stopped I hope this petition does some good.
I would love to know where he got this dog from, and did they know his intentions.
Does this happen all of the time.
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Sadly CC there are are so many street dogs that have no owners, he could easily just take one :(
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This little :censored: is at it again :censored: :censored: :censored:
Please stop another dog being deliberately starved in the name of "art" - voice your protest to the organisation mentioned below
Do you remember the man who staged an art installation last year in Central America by starving a stray dog to death? He has been asked to do it again this year.
There is a petition to sign, but in view of what I found on the site http://www.animalsclubfreedom.blog.com/2304971 it would be better perhaps to do the following:
UPDATE ON SO-CALLED ARTIST ( & ANIMAL ABUSER - Guillermo "Habacuc" Vargas )
BAD NEWS FOLKS: PETITION HAS APPARENTLY FAILED TO BAN Guillermo "Habacuc" Vargas from the Bienarte 2008 art show, with VARGAS representing his country of Costa Rica even though he is an animal abuser!
A new comment on the post “Artistic License”:
Blogsite : Gatica Gringa from Madrid, Spain
Unfortunately the academy that hosts Bienarte 2008 has posted a disclaimer saying that the petition will not affect their consideration of Guillermo Vargas Habacuc.
So best is to appeal to those that help fund the event.
Have your readers contact the dutch organization that funds the Bienarte 2008 event:
HIVOS (Humanistisch Instituut voor Ontwikkelingssamenwerking)
at info@hivos.nl
Tell them to stop supporting events that showcase artists that kill/hurt animals for art’s sake.
Best wishes,
Marian Hussenbux.
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"The Humanist Institute for co-operation with developing countries"? >:(
What the :censored: is humanist about that? :censored: >:(
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I was incredulous was I heard about this last year but to know he is being allowed to do such a thing again is just unbelievable. :censored: >:(
His justification for this so-called 'art exhibit' (read emaciated, dying dog) makes no sense to anyone with an ounce of compassion. Using a sentient being as an exhibit in an art gallery, moreover, a dying animal, is just wrong in every conceivable way. And what of the people who go to this exhibition? Could you idly stand by and watch this animal die in front of your eyes just to allow the 'artist' make a twisted, social statement? >:( >:(
How about the artist tethers himself to the gallery wall and slowly wastes away in front of a contemplative audience until he dies horribly and painfully from starvation. But then he wouldn't want to suffer for his art would he, better to leave the suffering to one that has no voice. >:( :censored:
Let's do all we can to stop this :censored: from commiting this atrocity again. There is enough suffering in this world without :censored: like this adding to it.
Dee