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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: karenjet on June 15, 2009, 15:51:48 PM
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Can't get him into the vets any earlier than 5.20 but something's really wrong. All morning he was going into the littertray, getting into position but nothing coming out, then he started getting into position in the middle of the floor but still nothing. Now he's leaving drips of pee all behind him as he's walking and doesn't seem to realise he's doing it. He feels hot and isn't interested in anything, he didn't go out to the garden with the other 3 today which isn't him at all, usually he can't wait to get out and play for a while.
I don't know if he's been drinking, it's hard to tell with 4 of them and I rarely see them drinking anyway. He adores dry food but does have wet too. Have any of you seen anything like this before?
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my old cat bluto got blocked up a couple of times, crystals in the urethra - a course of ab's sorted him out and then a prescription diet
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I don't want to frighten you but it sounds like he might have a blocked bladder, we had the same with Jess, it can be dangerous if left. Have you explained this when you called the vets?
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I did explain but it was the receptionist and she just said they're busy. I'll try ringing again but I think they're closed from 4-5
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I'd be inclined to try again, its good there is wee coming out though
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it sounds like something is coming out but like leanne said it is a real problem if left - I'd be inclined just to turn up early, you never know they might be able to squeeze you in
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I would try again to see if you can be seen earlier, but if not, at least you have an appointment today which is great, and well done you for acting so quickly :hug:
Good luck for later xx
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Is it cystitis (SP), sounds like it could be. Good luck at the vets
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I dont know how you would do this if he is only passing small amounts of urine, but try and take a sample with you to the vets so they can test it.
Good luck xx
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No answer at the vets but I will go early.
They're due to be fed, should I not feed them yet just in case?
How would I get a urine sample? He's only passing little drips
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If it were me I wouldn't feed, Belle might not eat anyway if his in pain.
I think to get a sample you'd have to pipette it up and put it in something, but I'd bet you're vets will get a sample anyway.
There are a few of us who have been though these episodes on here :hug: :hug:
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I wouldnt feed him at the moment, yes a pippet would probably be the only way of getting a sample, sorry I should have thought of the logistics of it first, good luck honey, I am sure Belle will be fine and back home with you this evening, he will have an anti shot and you will be £60 lighter ! :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Good luck with the appointment, hope he hasnt blocked. :hug:
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my vet had a knack to getting a sample - let them worry about that - he will feel better once the abs start to kick in
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Is it cystitis (SP), sounds like it could be. Good luck at the vets
Ditto! ;)
I remember taking my Gigga to the vets when he was small, he had the same symptoms....Its more dangerous in a male than female but Im sure all will be fine as you have acted so quickly! Anti bs will sort him out! :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Oh no :(
Having been through a blocked bladder and knowing how serious it is, I would be knocking down the vets door. Everything crossed that he isn't blocked!
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The vet said he has feline urinary syndrome. His bladder's distended a bit but not blocked, he squealed in pain tho when they touched it :'(
He got 2 injections, I think they said to widen the tubes cos he's passing bits of sediment (?) with his urine. I'm not to feed him in the morning and they're gonna open him up. Then he said he'll be on a prescription diet the rest of his life. Does it sound silly to say I'm devastated? I feel awful for my poor lil man
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Why are they going to open him up?
My boy got blocked last November. There is a large thread about it somewhere. He stayed in the vets for what seemed like forever, he had a catheter and some fluids but nothing invasive. He's on a prescription diet and is doing incredibly well after the crystals eventually went away.
Lots of hugs for you, I know exactly how you are feeling :hug:
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For you, hope Belle gets on OK tomorrow, keep us updated x
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Its good he's not blocked, and the anti inflammatory jab (presume thats what he's had?) will indeed relax his tubes a bit so hopefully he can pass urine easier and without pain. I'm guessing oxalate stones are suspected, and thats why they are opening him up as they can't be passed normally (as opposed to struvite which can). :hug:
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Positive vibes for the vets for tomorrow~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:
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Its good he's not blocked, and the anti inflammatory jab (presume thats what he's had?) will indeed relax his tubes a bit so hopefully he can pass urine easier and without pain. I'm guessing oxalate stones are suspected, and thats why they are opening him up as they can't be passed normally (as opposed to struvite which can). :hug:
What she said :hug: do get them to clarify what type he has tho as there are alternative treatment plans then just prescription food.
Good luck for your little boy
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I'm in bits here and feel so stupid for it.
The vet just said the injections were to widen his tubes. He came in and climbed up on top of the kitchen cupboards (his favourite place, mostly cos the other 3 can't manage to climb up there and I think he shows off to them). The vet said he could be fed, I got the pouches out and showed them to him, he licked his lips and jumped straight down lol, bless his wee heart.
He seems comfortable at the minute but I'm keeping a close eye on him, the vet said if the injections do the trick he'll pee more or less as normal by tomorrow morning. Our appointment's at 9.40.
I'm so scared and worried. Dunno how I'm gonna pay for his op tomorrow cos I don't get paid til next week. He's insured but I dunno how long it takes to claim the money?
And dunno how I'm gonna manage feeding him separately from his brothers and sister. But as long as he's ok I'll sort all that stuff sorted out
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Oh babe, Belle will be fine, with regards to paying the vet bill, talk to the vet or phone them tonight, explain he is insured and take an insurance claim form with you tomorrow, I know my vet has claimed directly from my insurance before so I only had to pay the excess and not pay the whole bill and wait to get it back from the insurance company xxx
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With my vets they don't bill anything until the animal has been given the all clear. When Memph got blocked I think it was about a month and a half before I got hold of the bill (they claim directly from the insurance company) then it was 2 weeks for AXA to pay :)
I'm in bits here and feel so stupid for it.
Don't feel stupid. You have no reason to at all. If it makes you feel any better I was in FLOODS of tears. I cried all the way to the vets, all the way home and whilst visiting him :shocked: It's natural :hug: He will be fine.
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Aw hun, hope Belle will be fine :hug:
Having just had some shock news about my boy today, I know what it feels like to 'be in bits' babe, its nothing to be ashamed of, and just shows how much you love your furbabes :hug:
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Thank you. I'm the same Belle, my sister just told me to wind my neck in lol. I had to try really hard not to cry in the vets surgery. Then almost crashed the car on the way home when the monkey somehow got out of the carrier, plonked himself on my knee and giving me headbutts, then got his head in the steering wheel and I nearly went into a white van. We only live about 150 yards from the vets but it was pouring with rain so I drove.
I can't believe it, he was fine (seemingly) yesterday and now all this. I thought he was too young for things like this.
He's insured with Tesco Extra, have looked out his policy schedule but can't find any claim form or the actual policy details. Does the schedule count as a certificate of insurance? Should I take it tomorrow? The policy was just renewed last week! Can't even see anywhere on the letter or schedule that mentions claiming.
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I thought he was too young for things like this.
He's insured with Tesco Extra, have looked out his policy schedule but can't find any claim form or the actual policy details. Does the schedule count as a certificate of insurance? Should I take it tomorrow? The policy was just renewed last week! Can't even see anywhere on the letter or schedule that mentions claiming.
Can happen at any age sadly. :( often young neutered males.
I imagine you havent received the certificate of insurance as you only renewed last week, its probably on its way to you. I would give the ins company a ring and request a claim form too.
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Sorry to hear about poor Belle, hope everything goes well tomorrow.
I'd give the vet a call about your insurance as they are likely to know about how to go about claiming etc.
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Well it was auto-renewal cos he's been with them for the last year. I just got the letter in to say it was renewed.
My baby Belle has just been and drank almost the full bowl of water! Surely that's a good sign? Watching like a hawk now to see how it goes with it coming out the other end
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Phone the insurance company now hon and let them know what is happening, they will send you out a claim form, maybe they can do it by email ? xx
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Just sat down to ring them and they :censored: closed at 8pm. There is a 24hour legal advice line for pet insurance, and an emergency veterinary helpline, should I ring one of those?
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I would ring the advice line, they may not be able to help but I am a tenacious little thing when I get going and if I want an answer I phone everyone I can to get it. x
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I will try that. Thank you Daisy :hug:
Update on the water, about 10 seconds after I posted on here there was a puddle on top of the littertray hood and another on the floor. But actual puddles rather than drips. Not sure if this is good or bad
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That is good news :hug:
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Poor Belle :hug:. Glad he's managing to produce some proper puddles, the injections must be working.
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>:( Just spent 20 mins waiting to talk to someone at tesco and some snotty cow told me I'd rang the wrong place, have to ring the general customer queries and claim line when it opens at 8am
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cow, I hate :censored: insurance companies.
Just phone them first thing honey xxx
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I will do, thanks. The lil man is fast asleep on top of my wardrobe (he loves high up places), gonna bring a littertray up to my bedroom tonight to try and keep him close so I can keep my eye on him. From what I've seen he's bright as a button in himself though.
Just had a wee word with his Mammy Jasmine and asked her to help him, silly as it may sound
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I will do, thanks. The lil man is fast asleep on top of my wardrobe (he loves high up places), gonna bring a littertray up to my bedroom tonight to try and keep him close so I can keep my eye on him. From what I've seen he's bright as a button in himself though.
Just had a wee word with his Mammy Jasmine and asked her to help him, silly as it may sound
Not at all silly, jasmine will look after him :hug:
Let us know how it goes tomorrow and dont worry about the insurance/vets thing, just phone them first thing xxxx
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Just caught up with this topic and fingers crossed for Belle that everything goes okay at the vets tomorrow :hug: :hug:
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Hope all goes well at vets tomorrow and I would write a list of questions down to take with you. Put it in Belles carrier.
Top of list , is why do they need to open him up....make them explain so you understand before you sign anything.
Make a note of what Gillian said to see if it agrees with what they have said.
Stones show up on xray although that is an extra cost.
Franta has one kidney completely dead an blocked by stones, it shows up as a pea almost but he is doing fine with one kidney at present and is 16 in Aug.
Ask them if antibiotics will solve the problem and whay are your options for Belles treatment.
Lots of love to you and Belle :hug: :hug:
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Will be thinking of you both tomorrow :hug:
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He seems to be back to the drips :(
I brought a littertray up to the bedroom last night and at 5am he went in it, but it only looked to be a tiny dribble. As soon as I brought the littertray up last night he used it (well tried, but he missed and left a big puddle on the floor lol)
He seems totally fine in himself though, full of purrs and naughtiness as usual. Dreading the thought of having to leave him in the vets today :'(
Thanks Gill, I will do that. The vet I saw today was actually really good (unlike a lot of them over there) so I'm praying we get him again today. I think he might have had antibiotics yesterday, I think one of the injections might have been them, not sure though.
Meeko's all in a pickle cos I'm up and he hasn't been fed yet lol. Will leave feeding the other 3 until I go to the vets.
Will also ring the insurance in an hour once they're open
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I had two with this problem, my persian nearly died twice when he was obstructed.
It was horrifying!
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Karen dont worry yourself too much hun....you are at the vets in a couple of hours and drips are better than nothing! :hug:
Good luck for Belle's op, me and mine will be thinking of you both x
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Good luck for today, and I would definitely be asking questions before I let them operate.
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Good luck, you have caught it all in time so things will be fine,
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15 mins and counting waiting to talk to someone at insurance :tired:
'Your call is important' my bum.
He just missed the bedroom littertray again, he was struggling but managed a little puddle, looks a bit pink though, the vet said he might pass blood
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Thinking of you and Belle today. Being upset is normal - I was in floods of tears when i left Jess I didn't want to hand him over. :hug: :hug:
Passing blood is good because it means his weeing and the blockage might be passing though him.
I had to feed separate too for a while, it just meant I had to be a strict food monitor and couldn't leave food down.
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Now over 40 minutes waiting to talk to someone! My patience is wearing extremely thin
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Oh Karen, I hope you get through soon, cant believe you have been holding for so long :hug:
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Grrr! Insurance comps really annoy me...they are quick enough to take your money though! >:(
Is the vets far away Karen? :Luv:
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No only about 100 yards from my house. This music's driving me mad
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I think they are very rude...at times like this you should'nt have to go through this also! >:( :Luv: :hug:
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Best of luck today hunnie, keep up posted :hug: :hug:
I know its hard, but try not to worry, and keep a note of all the questions you want to ask your vet, as its so hard when you're feeling stressed to remember everything :hug: xxx
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Heading for an hour now :-:
Gonna have to hang up soon cos I'm not ready and need to get the carrier out of the car. God help them later when I ring back.
Thanks, I'll let yous know when I get back xxx
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that is disgraceful - hope you get on ok at the vets and an op isn't necessary
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Had to hang up with Tesco, will try again in a bit.
Back home from the vets, with no Belle :(
He's not having an op, he's being sedated and a catheter put in. Got the bill and it says:
Sedation Fee (S.A) Small
Sal/Urinalysis
Catheterize dog/cat
For that and the 2 injections he had last night it's £72.28, which I can manage before payday.
I don't know if he can come home tonight, vet said it depends if there are any crystals. He squealed again when he was examined :'(
They're to ring me later and update me. Fingers crossed he'll be ok :'(
Then had a row with a woman in the car park when she put her terrier in the boot :Crazy:
Some people shouldn't be allowed to have pets, it's really hot here today and the poor thing will have no air in the boot. She put him in the back seat with the windows down a touch.
Gonna clean the house to busy myself
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Awwwwwww huge hugs to the pair of you.
At least he's not being opened up. Sounds like they are doing what they did with Memphis. If your vets are as nice as mine they should let you go and see him this afternoon just to say hi.
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Good luck Karen, sure it will all be OK.
Let us know how you get on
Claire x
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Thats what we had with Jess too. Sedated and cathertised. Sometimes its best of they do stay in the vets, not good for us but better for them in the long run.
:hug: :hug: to you both
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Thanks all. I read through the whole thread about Memphis' bladder problem through the night last night. Like you Den, I can't think of anything at all that could be stressing my Belle. Nothing in the house has changed at all and no fireworks even at this time of year. Single only thing I can think of is the change in weather cos he doesn't like the heat, but wouldn't have thought that would stress him out to this point.
I remember when Jasmine was in I asked to visit her and they weren't happy, but at that time I just went to the vets and asked to see her, they let me, so if Belle has to stay I'll do that again. I hope they have him sedated now cos my lil man will not be happy over there
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When my Ben had to be catheterized it was an emergency dash at 3am to the vets - so I stayed with him while the vet operated (its a single vet practice and vet lives on the premises which is good) She even got me to monitor his relfexes etc - yikes! It was all very quick, the catheter relieved the blockage straight away and he was then kept in for the remainder of the night (well, morning!)
Vet wanted to make sure he peed ok on his own, but later in the day she recommended bringing him home as she felt he'd be more relaxed in his own environment and more likely to pee - which is exactly what happened - not as soon as he got home, but about an hour later (with me watching his every move anxiously!).
I hope Belle can come home later on today and you manage to get through the the insurance company. :hug:
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When Lou Lou Flump was in I went and visited two times a day !, the vets try to discourage it I think but when they saw how much brighter and better she was in herself when I visited they were fine with it. Hope he is OK Karen xxx
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Memphs was really, really grumpy with the vets, but as soon as he saw me he calmed down and began to eat. It was just so funny that any time someone in green would walk past his head would follow them and he would growl.
Are they going to phone later to tell you how he's getting on?
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Lou Lou Flump had a 'BEWARE' sign on her cage at the vets, they even had to get Steve to take the drip out of her leg before she could come home because anyone 'green' couldnt get anywhere near her without her swiping, growling or trying to bite them.
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I visited Jess every day and my vets encouraged it, they wouldn't let him out till he had had a wee but he wouldn't go till I'd been in. He was really scared and was hidden away with a towel over the cage. When Jess came home within 5 hours I was back at the vets as he had cystitis again and he did block again a week later, unfortunately this common.
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Yeah they're to phone sometime today.
I read that about Memphis, I'd be totally amazed if Belle turned on anyone like that but time will tell. I've had him since the day he was born and he's never scratched or bitten a soul.
That's awful about Ben, Gillian. I'm glad I noticed it in Belle in the day time, and doubly glad I noticed when I did cos the vet said a blockage can be fatal. A bit annoyed that his brothers and sister don't even seem to have noticed he isn't here lol
Is that what this feline urinary syndrome is, another name for cystitis?
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Lou Lou Flump had a 'BEWARE' sign on her cage at the vets, they even had to get Steve to take the drip out of her leg before she could come home because anyone 'green' couldnt get anywhere near her without her swiping, growling or trying to bite them.
I think Memphy has all kinds of caution labels on his files now. He practically shredded the entire back of the hand of one of the vets :shocked: He removed his catheter which they couldn't replace because they couldn't get near him, so he ended up covered in urine :doh: Then when he had to go back for a urine sample they waited all day to get a sample then were going to leave him over night because they couldn't get anywhere near him to sedate him. I think it's perfectly safe to say he hates vets. It's quite amusing in that he is the sweetest, cuddliest, soppiest cat ever. However, it is worrying to know he's like in case something like that every happens again - after all the vets need to get near to him to help him.
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Hope everything goes well and he's soon allowed home :hug:
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Yeah they're to phone sometime today.
I read that about Memphis, I'd be totally amazed if Belle turned on anyone like that but time will tell. I've had him since the day he was born and he's never scratched or bitten a soul.
I was a bit slow typing so ended up crossposting.
I've known Memph since he was 3 weeks and hand fed him. He's always been so sweet and harmless. Even at the vets when he was a tiny blip he was well behaved. He was very well handled by people (the litter was either abandoned or orphaned, no one knows for sure) so they were all hand raised. He had never attacked anyone, so it is shocking to see how bad they can be at the vets.
They did say it's always the quiet ones that are the worst :evillaugh:
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http://www.aht.org.uk/pdf/feline_FLUTD.pdf
http://www.fabcats.org/owners/flutd/info.html
http://www.applaws.co.uk/?in_section=health&page=flutd
You might find these links helpful.
We never had any form of crystals with Jess, but in most cases there are crystals.
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From what I've read on the subject. Feline Lower Urinary Tract Disease is a collection of different things which affect the bladder or urinary system. Cystitis is an inflammation of the bladder of the bladder which causes a lot of discomfort when passing urine and sometimes blood is seen. Then you have the stones of which there are 2 types. These are formed in the bladder, if they fall into the urethra the block the passage of urine. So you end up with a blocked bladder which can't empty, and you end up with kidney problems as they can't remove toxins. It's fatal if not treated.
This was a great website which explains it all and it really helped to understand things.
http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/urinary.html
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No word yet, wish they'd hurry up, this waiting is driving me crazy.
Thanks for the links everyone, I'll read them properly later
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If you are that worried, then phone them :hug: That's what I ended up doing, they will completely understand.
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Just ring them, I always ring about 3 hours before they say I should ring ;D
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Giving it 5 mins and I'm gonna ring, climbing the walls here and trying hard not to think the worst
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Giving it 5 mins and I'm gonna ring, climbing the walls here and trying hard not to think the worst
Don't think like that, if there was anything wrong they would have called you :hug: No news is good news. He's fine and is probably napping or being a pain :hug:
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Said they were only able to get a tiny bit of urine with the catheter and there was a lot of blood in it so they couldn't tell if there were crystals or not. Want to keep him overnight to try and get more urine :'(
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Awww, poor Belle. He's in the best possible place. They will no doubt give him plenty of fluids and food which will get producing plenty of urine.
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Belle really is in the best place :hug: :hug: can you go and visit?
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Can you go and visit him Karen ?, you will feel much better when you have seen him :hug:
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An overnight stay to monitor might be best hun, and he is in the best place :hug:
I would go and visit him, and take something which smells of you, maybe a jumper of fleece or something, that will make him far more comfortable :hug:
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Don't know if it helped him but it absolutely broke my heart :'(
He's still more or less out from the sedation, I put the pyjama top I wore last night in with him.
Does this sound good? Like them not being able to get a proper sample for the blood? I'm so worried I feel ill. I really can't cope with anything happening to one of my cats at the minute :'(
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Well the websites say blood in urine is a sign of cystitis so that's a normal thing to expect. Plus he had a huge puddle yesterday after his injection and he probably hasn't eaten/drunk a lot since. So yes I would say things sound about right.
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Don't know if it helped him but it absolutely broke my heart :'(
He's still more or less out from the sedation, I put the pyjama top I wore last night in with him.
Does this sound good? Like them not being able to get a proper sample for the blood? I'm so worried I feel ill. I really can't cope with anything happening to one of my cats at the minute :'(
Karen honey you have done all you can do for him at the moment, it all sounds normal he will be fine, nothing awful will happen, he is just a bit poorly but it will get sorted, dont make yourself ill, he needs you at the moment xxxxx
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Nothing to add to whats already been said but am thinking about Belle and yourself! :Luv: :hug:
Sending positive vibes....try to relax Karen...he is in the best possible place at the momment and before you know it he will be home safe feeling tons better! :grouphug:
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Thanks both of you xxx
I don't understand why he's not making any urine with the catheter in him, or I wonder am I not clear in what they told me, maybe they meant they did get a sample but it there was too much blood for analysis? Surely if he wasn't peeing cos he's blocked they'd know? I asked if I should be really worried and she said it's too soon to say until they've done a urine test.
Driving myself mad now. Trying to have a very early night tonight, tomorrow can't come quick enough.
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With the catheter in he cannot be blocked :hug: it's physically impossible. A lot of times they can become blocked after the catheter has been removed, but lets not worry about that now.
They use the catheter to drain urine from the bladder, it could just be he didn't have much in him after all the puddles last night. He just needs a bit of time to produce some more. It took a while for them to find crystals in Memphis' urine, so I really wouldn't worry. It does all sound normal. Keeping him in their is the best thing, they can keep an eye on him and monitor his fluid intake/outake.
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Phew, thanks for that Den, it's rested my mind a lil bit :hug:
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Yep a catheter goes directly into the bladder, through the uretha (wee wee pipe)! ;)
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Oh karen i know exactly how you feel. I know its easier said than done but try not to panic, if belle isn't drinking at the moment he might not have any urine in him. I can't stress to you enough how belle really is in the best place xx
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Fingers crossed he has a good day today and can come home
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Fingers crossed he has a good day today and can come home
I second that :hug:
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Just rang, he didn't produce a urine sample during the night, the vet hasn't been round to examine the inpatients yet so I'm to ring back at 2.30
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:hug: :hug: poor you and poor Belle.
I think Belle needs a good dose of the purrs wee vibes.
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Poor Belle , sending love, huggles and positive vibes - come on little one so a big weeeeeee
Big :hug: for you Karen :hug:
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Sending positive wee wee vibes for Belle~~~~~~C'mon Belle you can do it! :Luv: :hug:
Karen... :grouphug:
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Thanks all of you :hug: Yep, plenty of those vibes needed.
Hopefully at 2.30 there will be something, gonna be a loooooong day til then.
Also, Daisy's in a mood, won't come near me, I know she's eaten and used the littertray so don't think she's not well, just in one of her moods. Wonder if it's Belle not being here has upset her
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Thinking positive thoughts for baby Belle :hug:
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Also, Daisy's in a mood, won't come near me, I know she's eaten and used the littertray so don't think she's not well, just in one of her moods. Wonder if it's Belle not being here has upset her
They do pick up on our 'worry' vibes :(
All good wishes for Belle :hug:
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The vet rang me. He said Belle's bladder is full of crystals and that's what's causing the blood (I'm sure he said that's making him haemorrhage, would that be right?), they did an ultrasound and he has no stones which is good. They're taking the catheter out to see if he can pee ok on his own later today and if he can manage ok I can bring him home tomorrow, then he'll be on the prescription diet.
The vet sounds really positive and when I said I was really worried he said there's no need to be, there's nothing potentially life-threatening about his condition at the moment and it's very common in male cats, but now he's had it it's likely to reoccur at some point.
I'll go over and see him later today, feeling much better about the whole thing
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did he say what kind of crystals, my bluto had struvite - it was well controlled by diet and never reoccurred
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Sounds positive :) Fingers crossed he can wee today and come home tomorrow :hug:
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Yes was gonna say that the diet should keep it under control and fingers crossed this will be the last of it! :Luv: :hug:
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Awww, yay that is excellent news.
Memphs is on the prescription diet and he's had no trouble since. He was on s/d to dissolve all the crystals and is now on c/d to prevent them from reoccurring.
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That's great news :hug: :hug:
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Yeah, that is great news, so pleased for you and Belle, you will probably have your baby boy back safe and sound in a few hours xxx :hug:
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The vet sounds really positive and when I said I was really worried he said there's no need to be, there's nothing potentially life-threatening about his condition at the moment and it's very common in male cats, but now he's had it it's likely to reoccur at some point.
I'll go over and see him later today, feeling much better about the whole thing
Thats good news, here's hoping for a good pee! Don't be too concerned if he doesnt pee straight away on his own, especially while still at the vets - his bits will all still be a bit sore from the catheter and he may not relax - thats the reason my vet sent Ben home even though he hadnt pee'd properly at the vets, she thought he'd be more relaxed and more likely to at home, and that was what happened, although I can understand that they want to know that he can do it on his own before sending home.
Its true it can recur, but its about 6 years since it happened with Ben, and with a change in diet (to raw and high meat content tinned and pouches), some stress relief with Feliway, and he's not had a recurrence :hug:
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Thanks. I'm feeling much better. Me and my middle daughter (who adores Belle and he loves her to bits) just went to Tesco and got him a new bed to recuperate in.
Dawn, the vet didn't say the type of crystals.
I'm gonna look into changing them all onto a high meat food diet, read in Memphis' thread that for some reason overweight black and white males are very prone to this, someone wasn't talking about Memphis, just that that type seem more prone. Overweight black and white male sums my Meeko up to a t although he's only slightly overweight and the vet says he's just a very solidly built cat.
Cannot wait to get the lil monkeyman home :)
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sounds more postiive news and hopefully he can come home tomorrow :hug:
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I have the article about b&w cats being prone if you'd like a copy? It was written by holistic vet Richard Allport, it doesnt really go into that much detail, just that a study showed this was the case.
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I'm gonna look into changing them all onto a high meat food diet, read in Memphis' thread that for some reason overweight black and white males are very prone to this, someone wasn't talking about Memphis, just that that type seem more prone.
:evillaugh: I was going to say. Memphis is as skinny as they come, he's thinner than a bean pole on a diet and always has been :scared: He is also the least stressed cat ever! The vets were stumped as to why he got it, it just seems that some cats are more prone to it than others. I wouldn't put it down to diet either as some cats can eat exactly the same thing and be perfectly fine.
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Belle's the same, Den. He never seems stressed at all and I've wracked my brains to think what it could've been. I'd bought this spray disinfectant stuff from Jollyes that I think's called 'Stay Clean', it's coconut scented, or so it says but I can't smell anything off it. I've been using that on the littertrays after they've been washed so maybe that's putting him off using them. It says it's for littertrays, food bowls, stuff like that so there's nothing harmful in it.
Yeah I would like a copy, Gillian, if it's no bother for you. Also, what wet food do you feed your cats?
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The coconut stay clean smells soooooooooooo nice. I know I use various things on his litter box and nothing has put him off. Also I changed over from catsan to Cats Best OKO clumping litter, I find it really handy now because I can monitor the amount and size of his wees which I couldn't do before.
The only thing that I think could have contributed Memphs issue is 2 weeks prior he was having a lot of fishy foods. It just seems to much of a coincidence. Some things you can read say fish or certain types of fish play a part in causing crystals. Just as a precaution I rarely feed him fishy foods.
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My Ben is also not overweight, never has been, nor is he b&w, but he is persian, and that was another susceptibility pointer in that study apparently. He also not a stressy cat, and didnt appear to me to be stressed at the time. He had a couple of bouts of cystitis at the old house a little while before I moved (I was stressed!) and didnt have the blockage until the May after I'd moved in the January, so my guess is he was picking up on MY stress and other things that go on with a house move and the settling in to a new home.
As Den said, diet isnt the only factor, but Ben, at the time, was eating dry food only (I'd somehow got taken in by the whole dry food thing - before that I'd always fed wet food, never ANY dry), so that probably was a contributing factor in his case. The stress they feel isnt necessarily a tangible thing that we observe, its something they feel but don't always show - until something like this happens. And stress is different things to different cats, one cat may not bat an eyelid at, for instance a door being slammed, whereas another it would send its stress levels soaring. On the other hand, a life with too few challenges in it can be highly stressful for some cats.
I feed a raw diet as well as high meat content pouches, trays etc Applaws, Hi-Life, Forthglade, after researching the condition loads. They all do have some dry food, but just as treats.
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Strange :-:
Just rang and the receptionist went to talk to the veterinary nurse, came back and said he's comfortable and the catheter's still in. I said the vet told me yesterday the catheter was out, so she went again to talk to the nurse. came back and said to "disregard" what she'd said before :Crazy: . The vet hasn't done his inpatient rounds yet so she'll get him to phone me once he has.
I have a hospital appointment at 10 but I'll divert the calls to my mobile and cross my fingers for good news.
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I am sure he will be home today Karen xxx
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Hope he's able to come home today hunnie :hug:
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Hope you get Belle back today sending :hug:
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Any update Karen ? :hug:
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Stranger still. The vet rang me back earlier and says I must've taken him up wrong, the catheter didn't come out yesterday but he's taken it out this morning. He has to stay for 24 hours and if he can pee ok he can come home tomorrow. I went over a while ago and he looks thoroughly miserable :'(
Can't wait to give him a proper cuddle.
Been to pets at home and got a water fountain, got him some treats that say they have cranberries for urinary health, dunno if he'll be allowed them? If not they won't go to waste with the other 3 anyway
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Awww, I'm so sorry for you both.
My vet was very strict about Memphis' diet until he was all fit and healthy about a month later. So it was tins of s/d and nothing else. He's got variety now though.
Have you sorted out your insurance now :hug:
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Sending wee wee vibes to darling Belle~~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:
I usually get mixed up with what the vet says! :-: I think its partly to do with your frame of mind, the worry etc.... ;)
Hope Belle can come home tomorrow! :Luv: :hug:
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Yeah I asked the vet this morning how much my bill was and he said I just pay the excess, give them the claim form and they'll get it from Tesco. Tesco are to send a form within 5 days. I hope it's ok to take him home without already having the claim form. I have the policy schedule thing as proof he is insured so hopefully that'll be ok.
Thanks for all the good vibes, keep them coming til the lil man is home safe please. It's amazing how much his presence is missed, he's such a character and always up to mischief. Has been odd not saying "Get down, Belle" every 2 mins when he's climbing all over the kitchen or trying to eat off my plate. He can climb all he likes when he's home and I won't say a word lol
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He has to stay for 24 hours and if he can pee ok he can come home tomorrow. I went over a while ago and he looks thoroughly miserable
Been to pets at home and got a water fountain, got him some treats that say they have cranberries for urinary health, dunno if he'll be allowed them? If not they won't go to waste with the other 3 anyway
Try not to worry too much that he looks down in the dumps, Ben looked very sorry for himself for the next day or so after the procedure, even at home, but he soon picked up :hug:
Most of the treats for cats have pretty naff ingredients on the whole, (cereals and stuff) I'd avoid them to be honest, while you are sorting out his diet. The real meat ones are pretty good - Thrive for instance, they're just freeze dried chicken.
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Thrive treats go down really well here- they seem to prefer the prawns one most though, maybe it's the smell.
Sending more get better vibes and hope you get your boy back soon.
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My 4 aren't keen on the Thrive, got ones from pets at home before that are dry chicken, others ones that are dried duck and they wouldn't entertain those at all!
If Belle can't have them I'm gonna have to stop all their favourites, Temptations, Webbox etc :-: That's gonna be hard cos they know they get them at bedtime and wait patiently on them, can't give to the other 3 and not Belle though. On the whole I have no idea how I'm gonna work round feeding him separately but I'll get round it some way
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Fingers crossed everything works out well. Tom had struvite crystals, and sprayed due to stress, but he managed fine without prescription food (we had him on c/d dry for a short while, but he still had issues) - might be worth investing in some Cystaid - while it is cheaper online, if you get it from the vet, it should be covered on your insurance policy, that, mainly wet food and hte odd bit of Metacam worked well for Tom.
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The monkeyman's coming home at 3.30! :Luv:
The vet said he'll give me samples of the wet and dry prescription food but that Belle's hardly eaten since he's been there. He said there's a little bit of blood in his urine still but that's to be expected but he's using the littertray fine on his own. He's also giving him an antibiotic injection that'll last 2 weeks so I won't have to give him tablets.
I got his water fountain set up and a couple of new littertrays put round the house.
Can't wait to see him!
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great news! good that there is a choice of food, my poor old bluto had two flavours to choose from and wouldn't eat the beef one!
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Brilliant news Karen, I am so pleased, have a lovely evening with him and give him loads of cuddles :hug:
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:welcome: home Belle! :wow:
Have a lovely weekend, positive vibes to keep him well! :Luv: :hug:
Hope he is home? :-:
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Assuming you're back home, or at least on your way, hope you have a stress-free weekend with lots of cuddles :hug: :Luv2:
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:) Give Belle a huge cuddle from me :hug:
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Aww so happy to hear he is coming home.
If you have to stop all their treats why not get a bag of frozen prawns instead and just defrost a few each day so they have something nice to nibble that Belle can enjoy. With my old man we used to always have a bag in freezer as they were usually used to hide forektor in when he got wise to the cheese spread trick. The downside is that you will never again be able to eat prawn cocktail again in peace..
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The lil man is home and apart from a bit of hair shaved on his lower belly you'd never know he'd been ill! He's totally himself although he hasn't used the littertray yet. I've done our first separate feeding time and it was ok. I thought he wouldn't be fit to climb but more or less as soon as he came home he was up in his usual spot on top of the kitchen cupboards, there's about a foot and a half high space up there and he loves it. Put his food up there and he ate every bit. He's got little tins of Hills c/d I think it says on it. And the vet gave me about 20 sample bags of the Royal Canin one. I've put it some of it out for all 4 of them.
The vet thinks it might be an idea for all my cats to go onto this food. The Royal Canin one is £32 for 50 pouches. He said it'd be better to feed dry but Belle's the only one of my 4 that will entertain dry food, the vet said they'd soon get used to it :-:
I'd hate them to be hungry though, I have bought lots of different kinds of food and they just don't like it as much as the dry.
What does everyone think about this? Would it be wise to put all 4 of them on this food (the wet one)? And should I just give them the dry? From anything I've read/heard an all dry diet isn't good for them, but maybe this food's different.
It would definitely save a lot of hassle if they all ate the same again and if it's for the good of them as well I'm happy to do it.
Lots of cuddles coming for Belle from the Purrs crew :Luv:
Edit to add, it was struvite crystals, or is I should say, they're not all gone yet
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hmm I find it odd you weren't given the s/d tins. The s/d dissolves the crystals and the c/d stops them from coming back. I'm so glad he's home now and doing well.
Sorry I can't advise on what to do about your other cats.
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Oh God, so he's got the wrong stuff? I just looked at the tin and it's definitely c/d
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Well your vet knows what he's doing. Memphs was given the s/d and it says it's for dissolving struvite crystals. C/d says it prevents them forming.
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So C/D is a weaker maintenance version?
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Well that's exactly what he told me this food would do, dissolve the crystals, so maybe he's given me the wrong one
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Glad you have him home, im sure he will wee soon ;D
I wouldnt feed them all the same diet, your vet will be laughing if you buy all that from him! As your other 3 dont eat dry then you just have to supervise meal times, wet isnt good to leave down. Imo dry food is the worse thing for cats especially those with bladder issues :tired:
Query the food but it may be that belle had fewer smaller crystals and they have been flushed therefore not needing s/d, dont panic it wont hurt him :hug:
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So C/D is a weaker maintenance version?
I guess it must be. S/d is liver and c/d is chicken. Memphis was on the s/d until he had his urine tested and it came back clear of crystals. It's definitely only a short term food. I think it even says something on the website that it's only for cats with struvite crystals. But there are no restrictions for c/d.
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The Hills website says c/d is not for kittens, cats that don't have struvite issues or pregnant kitties.
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The problem with feeding mine separately as my 4 are grazers. They eat a bit, go and sleep for 20 mins and go back. But I'm planning to just take their food away after the first time until they get the message that they can't graze anymore.
Thanks for that, Den, decision made on the feeding them all the same then
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Agree with MM, dry food (prescription or otherwise) is the worst thing for cats with bladder problems, and as to recommending you feed your others the same prescription pouches as Belle, words fail me! Struvite forms in alkaline urine, a cats normal urine should be acidic, so if you feed as close to their natural diet as poss i.e. high meat content, no carbs, the urine will have the right pH. When Ben had his blocakge 6 yrs or so ago, my vet was adamant that he must have the prescription diet, well he ate one mouthful and wouldnt eat anymore, and thats when I started researching proper diets for cats and got him straight on high meat wet foods, and then to raw, and as I said, he has never had a recurrence.
I'm sure Belle will pee soon, remember, Ben didnt pee straight away when he came home, and he hadnt peed properly at the vets either, and Belle has. He's probably not got much to pee at the moment anyway. :)
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You could feed less and add in an extra meal time until they get the idea, fresh food is always nicer ;D
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And we have total success in the littertray ;D
Was quite a big one too! lol. He's still licking himself madly after like he was doing at the beginning of the week but he didn't struggle to go and it wasn't drips, hard to see in the litter but doesn't look like there's any blood in it to me ;D
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Excellent news ! :)
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:cheer: :yayyy: :cheer: :yayyy: :cheer: :1st place:
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My little baby boy is on a combination of felix/whiskas (meat only flavours in Jelly), c/d wet and c/d dry. He's thriving on it, perfectly happy, healthy and loves his food :Luv2:
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Don't pay vet prices for C/D either - probably about double of online prices :Crazy:
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I've looked on Vet UK but there didn't seem to be much difference, are there other sites?
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I get mine from vet-medic. Its about £54 including delivery for 48 tins (2 trays worth). That was slightly cheaper than my vets, I don't think there is a huge saving to be made on the stuff unfortunately :( It would be so amazing if it was half the price one day so I could stock up.
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So pleased he's home :) :1st place: on the wee ;D
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Glad he's home!!
Seems like he is happy to be back hope everything goes well with the feeding.
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Glad to hear belle is home and has had a wee, good luck with the feeding he will get used to it.
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How do people that feed separately manage? :-[
Belle is desperate to get near the other cats food, was a nightmare getting him out of the room while getting them in to eat. He's currently still meowing at the door looking to get at theirs.
I can't see how this is gonna work at all :(
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Glad he is home. TBH I dont have many issues feeding separately, but that is probably cos they eat in separate places through choice - Sam has the windowsill, Kizy has the floor (they eat in the front room, i keep trying to convince them the kitchen is better, but I fail), my two eat in my room, Molly eats on teh bed, Zi eats on teh floor, although those two will swap bowls.
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I also feed mine seperately, some are in the kitchen, hall, living room and one in the bedroom....Its easier than you think and Belle will think he is getting special treatment being allowed to eat out of the kitchen! ;)
When the 3 are eating theirs in the kitchen I would give Belle his outside the door! :Luv: :hug:
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Unfortunately all Belle wants is what they're eating and vice-versa. Closed the hall door this morning and had 3 meowing at one side and 1 at the other :tired:
They can't be given it in the same room cos Belle goes straight for theirs.
And I don't think the special treatment is going in poor Belle's favour. This morning I've heard Meeko and Daisy both kinda. . . . I'd call it growling, at him, like a soft growl without opening their mouths when he comes near.
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Unfortunately all Belle wants is what they're eating and vice-versa. Closed the hall door this morning and had 3 meowing at one side and 1 at the other :tired:
They can't be given it in the same room cos Belle goes straight for theirs.
And I don't think the special treatment is going in poor Belle's favour. This morning I've heard Meeko and Daisy both kinda. . . . I'd call it growling, at him, like a soft growl without opening their mouths when he comes near.
They may still be able to smell the vets on him.... :Luv: :hug:
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Unfortunately all Belle wants is what they're eating and vice-versa. Closed the hall door this morning and had 3 meowing at one side and 1 at the other :tired:
They can't be given it in the same room cos Belle goes straight for theirs.
And I don't think the special treatment is going in poor Belle's favour. This morning I've heard Meeko and Daisy both kinda. . . . I'd call it growling, at him, like a soft growl without opening their mouths when he comes near.
They may still be able to smell the vets on him.... :Luv: :hug:
I am sure they will still be able to smell the vets on him, he was in there for quite some time. They will calm down with him over the next few days xx
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Yeah they must be able to. I think a vet nurse wearing a lot of perfume must've been cuddling him while he was over there cos he's got a perfumey smell on his head.
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A lil update . . .
Just back from the vets for his check up and he's grand. No pain when the vet examined his bladder and the vet said everything looks really good. He's given me some special litter so I can collect a urine sample and take it in in a month's time for analysis and if anything changes in the meantime to bring him back. He's still peeing little and often but no struggle and it's still a good amount.
Daisy had stopped growling at him but I've caught her at it again in the past couple of days, growling and hissing. I'm so surprised to see her like that, wouldn't have thought she'd have it in her.
The feeding separately is still a total nightmare :tired:
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I think we all have cat mare's in one way or another....I think its just part of being a meowmy! ;)
Glad to hear he is doing great....such a relief Im sure! :Luv: :hug:
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Glad he is still doing well and no more issues
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The lil man was showing signs again, going into the littertray a lot and only producing drips. We went back to the vet this morning and he had another 2 week injection of antibiotics. It's perked him up 100% and he's peeing normally again. The vet said it can take a long time for the food to do it's job
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Hope things sort themselves out soon :hug:
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Glad to hear he's peeing normally again after that little setback. :hug:
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:) Glad things have much improved
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So glad things have got a bit better :hug:
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Karen, did the vet give you Cystaid? It can really help, as it soothes the lining of the bladder, and you can buy it online, you just have to buy a massive tub.
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Glad the jab helped Belle out...It would be worth getting some Cystaid as Des says, hopefully he wont need any more abs if it gets to work on him! :Luv: :hug:
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Thanks guys.
No I wasn't given or told about Cystaid. All the vet keeps banging on about is the all-dry prescription diet :tired:
I see it here with no prescription needed to be sent in so I'll order some today
http://www.petdispensary.co.uk/cystaid-feline-4206-0.html
Would giving Belle Cystaid mean he wouldn't need the prescription food? As it's a urine acidifier? I've already changed the other cats onto Applaws and Hi-Life so Belle would be getting the high-meat/grain free food too.
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No I wasn't given or told about Cystaid. All the vet keeps banging on about is the all-dry prescription diet :tired:
Would giving Belle Cystaid mean he wouldn't need the prescription food? As it's a urine acidifier?
Cystaid isnt a urine acidifier Karen, its something that helps soothe the linining of the bladder so it can help some cats with this condition, its mainly glucosamine.
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:shy: I'm such an idiot. It came under the category of urine acidifiers on one of the sites I looked on so I thought it was. Too good to be true! It would make life so much easier if I could give him something alongside normal food.
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:shy: I'm such an idiot. It came under the category of urine acidifiers on one of the sites I looked on so I thought it was. Too good to be true! It would make life so much easier if I could give him something alongside normal food.
Well you can get urine acidifiers, but you can end up over-acidifying the urine, which can lead to oxalate stones. Feeding a normal high meat appropriate cat diet will keep the urine at the correct pH. :)
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Thank you, Gillian. So just to clarify, feeding him a high meat diet (They've been having Applaws and Hi-Life) and giving him the Cystaid will be ok without prescription food? I've read the Royal Canin ingredients on the box, it looks much the same as Whiskas, Felix etc, except it has calcium sulfate listed as a urine acidifying ingredient.
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I'd discuss it with your vet, say that its difficult trying to feed Belle separately and you want to try him on the foods you mentioned that the others are having rather than prescription and see what he says about trying Cystaid too. I never gave Ben the prescription food - well apart from a couple of mouthfulls he had before deciding he didnt like it lOL! Don't forget that cystitis isnt just about diet, so don't know if you've got some feliway diffusers plugged in? just in case stress is a factor.
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Glad he's home :)
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If you try the acidifiers you can test his urine ph yourself at home with little dip sticks, once the crystals have gone i would go for the high meat/lots of fluid plan.
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hi so glad your chappy is ok!
monkey is also on s/d food at min for exactly the same problem. hes on this just for the next 2 weeks then we have to collect a sample using the special cat litter given to us
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Thanks everyone.
I've got that litter too, fluffycloud. I'm betting he'll go nowhere near it lol. Gonna get a kitten's littertray because there won't be near enough to cover the bottom of any of our trays here.
I've ordered the Cystaid. Will try and have a talk to one of the vets at my practice, they always seem so adamant about things over there though and I can only say so much because when it comes down to it they're vets. They have a special way of making me feel reven more stupid than I do already.
Belle's not overly keen on the prescription food either, Gillian, he's desperate to have what the others are getting. He howls at the door! I know what the vet's suggestion will be though cos he said it before, feed them all prescription, but even the manufacturer tells you not to do that!
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I've ordered the Cystaid. Will try and have a talk to one of the vets at my practice, they always seem so adamant about things over there though and I can only say so much because when it comes down to it they're vets. They have a special way of making me feel reven more stupid than I do already.
Yes, they are vets, but they don't know everything (and from what I understand their training in animal nutrition is sponsored by the pet food manufacturers who are only in it to push their products) I'm afraid prescription diets arent the be all and end all which many seem to think. Theres no reason for you to feel stupid so don't let them make you feel that way :hug:
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you are doing a brilliant job, well done. Wish i could advise on feeding but mine only get the cheapest stuff i it seems to be what they like (Tescos own brand). I don't know how I would cope if any of them needed special food :luck:
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Please dont let your vet bully you into prescription food, Tom had stress related cystitis and struvite crystals after being put on a dry food only diet by the rescue's vet (R/D first, and then C/D even though the dry R/D had given him crystals, he still had issues on C/D) went to my vet who doesn't do prescription food for cystitis, her recommendation was wet food only, more water, reduce stress and Cystaid and it worked well for Tom. Some cats never suffer with issues afterward. Also be careful with fishy foods, high fish contents can irritate the problem
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Got Belle's urine sample. The pearl litter was no go, he wasn't going near it so I waited for him to go in the normal littertray and put the bottle underneath him.
Rang the vets to ask if I could make an appointment to just talk to them but they want me to put the sample in the fridge overnight and bring Belle in in the morning, wasn't talking to a vet but the receptionist said "It'd be easier for you to bring him just in case we'd have to keep him in" I can't see why they would though, he's fine at the minute, I didn't want to take him and stress him out.
Fingers crossed I'll get to talk about the diet and get somewhere with it.
Got an email saying the Cystaid was sent today, I ordered special delivery so it should be here tomorrow.
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Thats crazy! :Crazy: You are perfectly entitled to just make an appointment to talk to the vet. You do not need to take Belle - if he is fine at the moment there will be no need for him to be kept in. After all you are just wanting to tallk about diet, and take the sample in arent you? Belle doesnt need to be there for that.
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I know that's what I thought too. He's totally normal again since getting the antibiotics. Peeing normally, no frantic licking afterwards, his sample is a light yellow colour and there was plenty of it. Wonder if I should pretend I misunderstood the receptionist and not take him, hate the thoughts of it cos when he sees the carrier he darts upstairs, hates going over there. He was just examined on Saturday as well, it's not like they haven't seen him for weeks.
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Stick to your guns Karen! The receptionist probably doesnt know the full history and doesnt realise he's only just been seen. Phone again and make it clear that you just want to talk to the vet and that you don't need an appointment for Belle.
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Well she did ask what vet I'd seen on Saturday (no idea, never once been told the name of any of the vets there. You rarely see the same one twice). But yeah I'm gonna ring back and say that. If there was any change in him I wouldn't hesitate to take him over but it seems pointless when he's doing well. Thanks, Gillian :hug:
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The vet today was really nice, she said to try him on the high meat food and she gave me a bottle of Cystease these ones are called, and see how he gets on with this. She said if feeding separately is stressful it will be taking away some of the good the food's doing him. I'm to ring later for the results of his urine sample test.
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Did you have to take Belle in then Karen? I hope not! :shify:
Good Luck with his urine test results! :Luv: :hug:
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Nah I just said he darted when he saw the carrier and I didn't want to fight with him when he's doing well at the minute. The vet agreed! This one was really nice, hope she stays there. I think in all the time I've been going to that vets I've only ever seen the same vet twice.
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You should maybe check with the KIA (know it all) receptionist for her name (the vets) that way you may be able to make any future apps. with her! ;)
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Well that was another new thing, the vet introduced herself as Caoimhe as soon as I went in. She's the first vet whose name I've known over there!
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Don't know what to think. The vet just rang, there is protein and white blood cells in his urine so he's not clear of infection yet. And the vet said the sample was left under the microscope, after a while these strange crystals she'd never seen before formed, she showed them to another vet and he hadn't either. Tested again and the same thing happened. So she wants his sample sent to a lab to see what's going on :Crazy:
She says she's thinking it's the antibiotics with the heat of the microscope and it's good that the crystals aren't there initially, she said there was no sign of the struvite crystals when she first tested it. Won't even hear back for the results now until next Wednesday cos they're closed on Monday and Tuesday for the bank holidays. Felt better and now I'm really worried again :scared:
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Hope it's just the abs and nothing to be concerned about :hug:
Bank holidays?
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Do you live in NI Karen? :shify:
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Have any of you heard of anything like this before?
Yeah I'm living in Northern Ireland at the minute, Monday and Tuesday are bank holidays cos the Twelfth falls on a Sunday this year
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Have any of you heard of anything like this before?
Sorry for my doziness but what are you referring to? :shy:
Do you mean the crystals? :-:
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She says she's thinking it's the antibiotics with the heat of the microscope and it's good that the crystals aren't there initially, she said there was no sign of the struvite crystals when she first tested it. Won't even hear back for the results now until next Wednesday cos they're closed on Monday and Tuesday for the bank holidays. Felt better and now I'm really worried again :scared:
From what I can gather from the above, the crystals should'nt be a worry as they are only forming when being exposed to the air! White blood cells are the infection fighter's so really his body is doing what its supposed to! ;)
Try not to worry Karen....I know its hard but as you say he is not showing any signs of illness at the mo so I reckon his insides are under control!
Good Luck for the results next Wed! :Luv: :hug:
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Hows everything going with Belle Karen? :hug:
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Belle's great thanks, Bazsmum. I'll have to keep a close eye on him tomorrow cos that's when the antibiotics will run out, last time they ran out he was back to being in the littertray every other minute. His test results aren't back yet, I rang yesterday and they told me to ring back on Friday.
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Can you change vets even when you've claimed from the insurance through a certain vet?
I've had a gutful of the one across the road. Rang for Belle's test results. . . . again. Waited on hold 10 minutes and a vet came on the phone to say the lab had found struvite crystals. Now I remember word for word what the female vet said to me last week, that when they first analysed his urine it was clear of crystals, but left under the microscope strange crystals formed that none of the other vets in the practice could identify, hence the sample needing to be sent off to the lab.
Today the vet came on the phone and said the lab found struvite crystals, so I repeated what the first vet had told me and he more or less said that was nonsense, it had been struvite crystals all along. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. The first time Belle went to the vets with it, the sample they got with the catheter they told me it was struvite crystals, if they were able to diagnose them then and there that time, why did this sample have to be sent to a lab? Then he said so just keep him on the prescription food, I told him he wasn't being fed that anymore, his tone totally changed and he said "who authorised you to do that!?!" I told him it was Caoimhe at their practice, he said under no circumstances should he be off the food. I'm taking what he says with a pinch of salt because he was the vet that told me to feed all 4 cats the S/O prescription diet.
:censored: I'm so confused with all of this.
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I don't blame you getting fed up - and I would lose confidence in them too
I think you need to discuss the situation with your insurance company's claims dept - it is in their interests after all to get Belle well, and cut down on unnecessary treatment and vet visits
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Yes you can change vet anytime you like.
On my claim form it asks who the current vet is and how long you have been with them and if recent then who the previous vet is.
Apart from changing vet you also can get second opinions and why not.
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Gonna have to do something, I'm sick and tired of getting told a different story everytime I ring them or go over there
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Karen hun *hugs to you*
i have recently been there myself and am currently in process of complaint with my first vet. 2nd vet however was fab, and said only to feed monkey on the s/o stuff for his struvite and jasper was to stay on normal as it could cause more harm than good.
hopefully you will have some good clear news soon, but would def change vets