Topic: He's always cold. (Read 25855 times)

ccmacey · « **Reply #123 on:** March 27, 2007, 14:18:23 PM »

Ha ha dont take the pee, ya's know Im a bit daft.

So do I just email this person through this site and he may help, no good if its american.

Ela · « **Reply #122 on:** March 27, 2007, 13:26:24 PM »

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Lynn Im not worried about spending the money and it not working, Im worried that he still may need meds after then it would of been a waste of money.

I kept reading it above and reading it and thought I had lost it, then I read your reply lunn then knew it was not just me.

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #121 on:** March 27, 2007, 09:54:40 AM »

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Lynn Im not worried about spending the money and it not working, Im worried that he still may need meds after then it would of been a waste of money.

thats basically the same CC

Ela · « **Reply #120 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:22:14 AM »

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( with help if need be)

Is that an offer Lynn,?

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #119 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:17:15 AM »

Good luck CC, I do hope you can eventually get this sorted for both your sakes. Not sure where Dr ADdie is to be honest.

ccmacey · « **Reply #118 on:** March 26, 2007, 21:45:14 PM »

Lynn Im not worried about spending the money and it not working, Im worried that he still may need meds after then it would of been a waste of money.

Are these people american?

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #117 on:** March 26, 2007, 21:42:44 PM »

well done millys mum.

I'd say that CC would be best composing an email ( with help if need be) and sending it to dr addie explaining the situation about being afraid to commit to the money it a poor outcome or no change was the result.

ccmacey · « **Reply #116 on:** March 26, 2007, 21:41:04 PM »

Yes have seen that site b4, how could they do the op in return for the results?

Millys Mum · « **Reply #115 on:** March 26, 2007, 21:01:06 PM »

http://www.dr-addie.com/stomatitis.html have you seen this website before? Maybe they might help Ollie in return for using his results as they wish. Worth a shot.
Quote from above (its the only statistic i can find) The treatment with the highest reported success rate for this condition remains complete removal of all teeth and especially the roots by a specialised veterinary dentist. A good veterinary dentist can achieve cure rates as high as 80%.

My simons mouth (gums & cheeks ) get flare ups because he has a weak immune system, if he gets another my vet wants his cheek teeth out. He specialises in cats and says it would resolve it. He got his first flare up at 8/9 months

Homeopathic treatment can be as expensive as conventional methods, i do think some work tho.

Have you ever had Antirobe for his mouth? Its the best for oral use and would probably do him better than noroclav or amoxicillin.

Ela · « **Reply #114 on:** March 26, 2007, 17:38:19 PM »

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Ela the vets I use do a pre- op check then book them in when they have the time to do it, it was a week later after I had Harry's pre-op to the actual neutering

Anything could happen in a week between pre op check and op.

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not just a case of gingivitis and the vets are convinced his teeth are fine.

You may well be right but as previously advised all the cats i have ever had that needed a full dental, had no problem with their teeth just their gums.

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Alternative medicine vets where could I find 1 of those? And where could I get plaque off or the logic gel from? Are these ok to use without the vets consent?

Your own vet should be able to guide you to the nearest homeaphatic vet.

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #113 on:** March 26, 2007, 17:29:40 PM »

yes both those products are non pom ... abit like toothpaste but can be used without brushing.

as for alternatives treatments, sorry i know they are out there somewhere but you'd have to hunt for that yourself.

as for vets not doing pre op checks on the day of or within a couple of days of the op because they "have a load on" is a poor excuse.

ccmacey · « **Reply #112 on:** March 26, 2007, 17:17:06 PM »

Ela the vets I use do a pre- op check then book them in when they have the time to do it, it was a week later after I had Harry's pre-op to the actual neutering. They never do it on the same day as they could have a load on. I will phone her when I strengthen my ears, as they may get bit off, hopefully not.

Lynn I too feel the op wouldn't do much for him as its not just a case of gingivitis and the vets are convinced his teeth are fine.

Alternative medicine vets where could I find 1 of those? And where could I get plaque off or the logic gel from? Are these ok to use without the vets consent?

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #111 on:** March 26, 2007, 10:06:58 AM »

CC i agree with you and have a nagging feeling that having his teeth out would not be the end of the story.

have you tried other things on top of what you are doing like that plaque away or logic gel every day ?

also could you look into getting info/advice/meds from homeopathic vets ???

Ela · « **Reply #110 on:** March 26, 2007, 08:39:11 AM »

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Ela did you get pm earlier on about Sebastian??

Sorry I have just found it, I has so many messages yesrteday I must have missed it.

Many vets will not expect you to take a cat for a MOT a few days before the op but do it on the day. However, in the case of a cat that you can only take when you can get it I am sure any vet would MOT and op on the same day. Please remember that while ever he remains unneutered he is a danger not only to himself but your cats and the cats in the neighbourhood. Do you still have a voucher and is there a valid date on it? If it is past that is not a problem

ccmacey · « **Reply #109 on:** March 25, 2007, 21:05:26 PM »

Yes but that is not just the point. I have been talking to others in more detail and its not just a case of having his teeth out. Dont wanna start going through it again cos its a long story.

forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa) · « **Reply #108 on:** March 25, 2007, 20:57:45 PM »

oh i see ,well he is still a very young cat so if u could raise the money then id defo give it a go and pay at the private vets
u wont have nothing to lose (apart from the money )

ccmacey · « **Reply #107 on:** March 25, 2007, 20:45:43 PM »

Lynn yes its his gums really, so no chance of removing them, but I keep getting told problems with the teeth cause the gingivitis. I know part of it is caused by his immune system attacking his gums. So thats why I think removing the teeth may do no good, its not just a case of gingivitis.

Ollie is 3 in July and been suffering with this from about 6 months old, he's been on steroids and anti-b's since then.

Lynn I would spend the money if I knew it was going to be a success, but no guarantee.

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #106 on:** March 25, 2007, 20:21:02 PM »

because i dont earn the money forever.
however if i was working then thats entirely different so let hope the boys are fairly healthy for the next 2 years.

forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa) · « **Reply #105 on:** March 25, 2007, 20:14:50 PM »

why wouldnt u be allowed to spend £500 lynn?

how old is ur cat cc? u must be going throu such a stressful time with all this going on
u dont need it while ur expecting .

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #104 on:** March 25, 2007, 20:12:04 PM »

cc if it makes you feel any better i wouldnt be allowed to spend 500 on one of my boys on one single condition with no gaurantee of cure. Having said that he would perhaps be more likely to let me spend it in a younger cat i suppose (cody is insured thank god, as were the older boys till i had to cancel )

from what i gathered cc the pdsa said they would do a dental .. was that to remove roots aswell ?? or what have the pdsa offered again ?

also there is high hopes pinned on this dental when both pdsa and private vets if i am correct in thinking have said they dont know if it will alleviate the problems as its the whole lining of his mouth isnt it.

ccmacey · « **Reply #103 on:** March 25, 2007, 19:03:22 PM »

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, It was a long one and cant be bothered to write it again.

Ela · « **Reply #102 on:** March 25, 2007, 18:53:29 PM »

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Ela did you get pm earlier on about Sebastian??

No

ccmacey · « **Reply #101 on:** March 25, 2007, 18:52:08 PM »

Ela did you get pm earlier on about Sebastian??

ccmacey · « **Reply #100 on:** March 25, 2007, 18:51:10 PM »

Yes the op would be done in 2 stages maybe thats why £500?

Do you mean PTS Ela? They have already suggested that.

Thats what made me really angry and lost my trust.

The PDSA vets say they have seen worse case's than Ollie's thats why they are only doing what they are doing at the moment, although every time I take him and they look at his mouth they say it is really bad

I mean does the cats mouth have to be falling apart before they will do a dental, prevention is better than cure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ela · « **Reply #99 on:** March 25, 2007, 18:32:53 PM »

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they said if they are pretty healthy teeth and are not rotting or falling out it will take longer

Funnily enough Companion Care vets quoted someone £500 for 2 dentals, They rang me and I advised them to go to my vet who is not the cheapest in our town and it cost them less than £300

Obviously I can only talk about my cases. My Jessica had purrfect teeth they were not rotting or falling out, her problem was her gums.

quote]What you mean by something else needs to be done if I don't think the dental will work?[[/quote]
I don't know really but I don't they they are being very fair if they know 'When his mouth is really sore he will just sit and look sad and depressed '. Surely they cannot leave Ollie in pain its not right.

ccmacey · « **Reply #98 on:** March 25, 2007, 18:14:55 PM »

I have asked the vets for an estimation and they said it could be anything up to £500 as it goes on the time and the healthyness of the teeth, they said if they are pretty healthy teeth and are not rotting or falling out it will take longer, so therefore more cost.

Ollie's teeth arnt rotting or falling out.

What you mean by something else needs to be done if I dont think the dental will work?

Ela · « **Reply #97 on:** March 25, 2007, 17:38:11 PM »

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Did you get that as an estimation or was it a set price? Ela. ?

No because till they actually know what they are dealing with they cannot. However, in your case if it was complete removal (fangs excepted) they may have an idea although you never know if some teeth may be more difficult than others. But I am sure they could give you an estimate for a full extraction which should be there or there abouts.

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And also you get discount for being a rescue dont you

We get a 10 % discount but even then the full price before discount has not been £200

As I have said before I cannot see the PDSA problem especially as there was a chance that they could then save money by not supplying drugs for an indefinite period. Is it possible that you could offer to pay the PDSA the full cost of the op, then they are in a win, win situation, money for op and a possible saving. If it doesn't' work they have lost nothing. Equally it would be a shame to put Ollie through the op for nothing. So of course you will need another opinion to ensure removal is the right course of action and giving Ollie a chance of a quality life.

You have mentioned that when his mouth is really sore he will just sit and look sad and depressed; therefore the treatment he is on is not alleviating the problem completely. So if is thought a dental will not solve the problem something else needs to be done so he is not in pain and discomfort.

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ccmacey · « **Reply #96 on:** March 25, 2007, 17:05:28 PM »

Although I could raise the money its not going to be like pulling a rabbit out of a hat. £500 Is steep never mind going over that. I also have a baby on the way so have to think about it debt wise.

ccmacey · « **Reply #95 on:** March 25, 2007, 16:57:10 PM »

Did you get that as an estimation or was it a set price? Ela. And also you get discount for being a rescue dont you?

Ela · « **Reply #94 on:** March 25, 2007, 16:51:22 PM »

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cant think it would be more than that tho.

I would hope not, honestly as previously advised I have never paid even £200 for a full dental (fangs excepted)

Millys Mum · « **Reply #93 on:** March 25, 2007, 16:45:01 PM »

If you told the vet you could pay £500 and if it was any more could you then pay by instalments they may agree. I cant think it would be more than that tho.

I like the way your PDSA vet says go private

if they agree to still treat Ollie even if you do have him done private then make sure you get a written confirmation of it.

Ela · « **Reply #92 on:** March 25, 2007, 16:31:55 PM »

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When his mouth is really sore he will just sit and look sad and depressed and it makes me feel so sorry for him

That is so sad,

anyway let us know what they say at the vets.

ccmacey · « **Reply #91 on:** March 25, 2007, 16:18:03 PM »

Ollie in himself is a quite cat, hardly plays with the others (dont know if thats just him?). When he opens his mouth he sort of gaggs and sometimes makes a funny noise, like he has opened his mouth too far and its hurt him.

If he goes outside he will go no further than the garden and most of the time he will not go out at all, he's not a very curious cat, I dont know if this has anything to do with his condition?

When his mouth is really sore he will just sit and look sad and depressed and it makes me feel so sorry for him.

This is the only way I can explain how he is.

Ela · « **Reply #90 on:** March 25, 2007, 15:43:25 PM »

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Will post in a bit, dinner time

Lucky you.

ccmacey · « **Reply #89 on:** March 25, 2007, 15:34:17 PM »

Will post in a bit, dinner time.

CurlyCatz · « **Reply #88 on:** March 25, 2007, 15:30:41 PM »

the articles i guess would HAVE to say that roots left in COULD cause further problems because of course that is the case, but i have worked with / in 5 different veterinary practices and there are many times due to the anatomy of cats teeth and what happens to them when they get neck lesions etc that roots are / can be left in the gum and MOST of the time there are very little probems occuring afterwards.

Now i am defiantely not speaking about 100% healthy teeth and roots so whether that would make a difference i am unsure.

TELL ME in a day to day senario how is ollie in himself. If the treatments are working and keeping him fairly stable and happy then i would DEFINATELY BE having him blood tested every 6 - 12 mnths to make sure basics like haematology / biochem parameters are ok but theres no point in getting so worked up if he's not actually "ILL" at the present time.

ccmacey · « **Reply #87 on:** March 25, 2007, 15:21:45 PM »

Mad with worry? No passed that Its driving me insane.

Its got to the point where I cant trust any vet on this matter now. Will take him for a second opinion though. Also going to ask the PDSA if I go private and the op is not successful will they take me back, I need that guarantied for Ollie's sake.

Ela I have had a second opinion form the PV I use so this would be getting a 3rd opinion.

forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa) · « **Reply #86 on:** March 25, 2007, 14:39:51 PM »

just read the other thread ....i can see why now

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #85 on:** March 25, 2007, 14:35:47 PM »

Forever .................please read all the thread and the associated thread that cc mentioned and you will understand the reason

Ela · « **Reply #84 on:** March 25, 2007, 14:32:46 PM »

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I feel like the PDSA give no moral support and dont try to lead me in a direction thats for the best,

Right we have gone round and round in circles about this, all I will say is what I would do if Ollie was mine. I would go to a different private vet for a second opinion and then take it from there. You can't go on as you are or you will end up driving yourself mad with the worry.

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