Purrs In Our Hearts - Cat Forum UK
Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: Mark on November 02, 2007, 12:22:04 PM
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I had this idea this morning. I saw an article that is to do with animal welfare but I knew if I posted it, I would be shot down in flames and would result in arguments, threads closed etc. I know some people that would be interested but others that will be upset or offended (not to say that I'm not upset by it). It isn't gratuitous gore just info. I thought of a few people that might want to see it and thought I would PM them. Then I had this idea.
I was thinking of people who want to join the list can PM others on it if there is info or links that could potentially upset some members & mods. That way, we can share without upsetting anyone. People can join or leave the list at any time. I just want to stress this isn't to link to nasties just more serious stuff.
Just an idea - could be adapted or whatever. Any thoughts?
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Yes that’s fine you can add me to your ‘select’ list
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It's not "My List" Yvonne :evillaugh:
It's just a list so anyone on it can PM each other ;D
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That is quiet a good idea Mark (see you do have them :rofl:)
Add me to your list.
Maybe you can leave a brief outline on here about nature of the topic and then people can PM you if they want ?
I gotta admit though, its a shame it has to be done this way. Its a lot of hassel for you to have to PM everyone but ...........
Shame you cant just put the nature of topic in thread, post the thread and then if people dont want to see it they DONT OPEN THE THREAD, easy isnt it ??!!!! (not open it just to make an angry comment and cause trouble)
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Exactly what I thought, it is not exactly rocket science, if you see a thread that you think you are not going to like the contents then you do not have to open it and read it - that is exactly what I do.
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Even putting the nature might upset but gives the idea.
OK - its about cats that are being bred in New Zealand to have degenerative diseases so they can be studied for cures for human illnesses :'( (why cats & not criminals?) There was a photo of a lovely healthy cat but you know his future.
Already I'm scared of being told off :scared:
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Already I'm scared of being told off :scared:
Tared and feathered ? :rofl:
What colour feathers Mark ??
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I'm easy :evillaugh:
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I vote flamingo ;D
And add me to the list
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OK - its about cats that are being bred in New Zealand to have degenerative diseases so they can be studied for cures for human illnesses :'( (why cats & not criminals?) There was a photo of a lovely healthy cat but you know his future.
I won't PM anyone this time but just google "cat news" IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE ITEM and you will see it at the top
PS - The article is on a NZ website but its actually America where it is happening.
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I vote flamingo ;D
Yuk - I hate pink :sick:
Reminds me of disgusting pink custard at school :sick:
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I don't think that serious discussion items like that are ever a problem - as you all rightly say, if people know that such threads are going to upset them, they do not have to read them. The only thing is that folks - understandably - can get heated when discussing emotive subjects.
Just my twopennyworth as a member...
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Well I for one would be happy to have warning titles and anyone opens them "at their own risk" but can't whinge about them on the thread. Apart from anything else, it detracts from the original subject and ends up something else completely (which is the case on most threads really :evillaugh:)
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Perhaps a good idea you have Mark, I personally have enough to worry about with what I have to deal with daily. But I appreciate others may be interested what is going on in the world. Obviously I do add my name to the various petitions if it involves cruelty to animals anywhere in the world.
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The thing that annoys me is the fact that poor creatures who deserve the utmost love and respect are filmed purely for entertainment value. I can understand a film for educational reasons and am not squeamish in any way,the film of the two headed kitten did not serve any educational purpose whatsoever,A few years ago I actually had to help a cat deliver horrifically deformed kittens and I dont mean normal deformities their short lives were treated with dignity and respect and they weren`t turned into a freak show.
Cats have feelings too.
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Thats a good idea Mark lad :) and i agree with all said here.
It wasn't straight forward trying to think of a way for all members about the posts that can upset. My thinking was - What level do diff people see as cruel and upsetting? (for me it can seem cruel just to simply ignore your babes :-: you know how soft i am :evillaugh: I, as a member, don't like to view these links but also want to give members with a different opinion the choice too. If we stopped these posts would that mean the rescue's cant post about a cruelty case or if there is a cat in urgent need in a cruel situation that a post for help can't be posted cause it included cruelty and can upset? I could forsee that if we said to stop all "cruel" posts would that mean the rescues get complained about if they posted about a cruel case? It would be unfair to have one rule for rescues and one for others about these posts. It's so awful and sad that it's because of the cruelty to cats that purrs is here and esp the rescues , they see it everyday and thank god there are angels like them to save the cats. Is it right to stop all upsetting posts on Purrs when the rescues have to face it all the time?
All this when into my thinking of how do i get the balance right to satisfy everyones opinions and senitivity? I thought i cracked it by asking for anything that could possibly upset any members to make sure they are warned in the title. That way those who dont want to read about the bad stories are warned and can aviod the thread. I don't know another way other than to post strict rules on what is "cruel" and what isn't and that is impossible to do with so many diff opinions of "cruel and upsetting" We all know that stuff so bad is def not right to post here and none of us would, except if we had a troll that came here purely to upset us who would be banned.
I can easily make mistakes myself on what i think is best thing to do. I would love your thoughts on it. :)
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I do prefer the warning in the title. I don't read threads if I know they will upset me and unless the thread is reported I often don't go in.
It's tough to moderate and keep a happy medium. I like the "happy" stuff as much as the next person, and enjoy the serious threads as well, provided members are cordial to one another. There will be disagreements naturally, that is of course what individual opinion is about. But that's what PM is for in those instances, so that the purpose of the thread does not dissipate under the ensuing argument it turns into.
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Hi Tan,
Does the forum software support a "buddies" list function or similar? in which case it might be possible to setup a distribution list which would make PMing multiple recipients a lot easier. Personally I'm not desirous of joining such a list but can see the sense in doing things this way.
Cheers
Leigh
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Hmm good one Leigh, i will look. It does have something called Karma so will check it out :thanks: :hug:
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Na Karma is no good as its a member rating thing (no want that!! :Crazy:)
will have a look tonight if we can find something to add to the pm menu's in profiles that will do a buddy list. :Luv:
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What about having a warning triangle for those threads containing potentially upsetting content; or a separate 'department' called something like "Caution: these threads may upset"?
Trolls are easily spotted. Anyone who reads these thread for a Tussauds Chamber of Horrors would be quickly identified.
On the other hand, PMing known and trusted members of Purrs who subscribe to the list is probably safest, though not the easiest way of doing this.
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Up to now we have not found much that is really sickening, and thinking about it why would anyone on Purrs want to post something that is, as has been said what one finds sickening/upsetting another won't so if someone is of the won't brigade they may not put a warning on anyway as to them it is perfectly acceptable.
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Il join the list. I find reading about such things is what motivates me to try and make a difference.
I stopped being a vege a few years ago but reading on PETAs website soon changed me again.
The odd time i crave a bacon sarnie i just look at the poor pigs :(
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MM, try bacon flavoured quorn.
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The thing that annoys me is the fact that poor creatures who deserve the utmost love and respect are filmed purely for entertainment value. I can understand a film for educational reasons
Cats have feelings too.
I could not of said it better myself.
This is what I dont like about these video's, people make them so other people can have a laugh at their cat, what sort of person wants people to laugh at their cat if they truely love them?
So I think it's the "owners" that make them is what really :censored: me off.
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MM, try bacon flavoured quorn.
:sick: i cant stand artifically flavoured fake bacon, its too chemical and also repeats like hell >:(
Probably get cancer from the additives :rofl:
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i agrree with t, there is the serious stuff and the stuff that is posted to make either fun of a cat or any other animal when its in distress.
i would like to see the serious stuff posted with appropriate warning and the unfunny stuff not posted at all and maybe marks list idea to be used.
tan is right that some are more sensitive than others and i wouldnt look at the stuff with a warning unless there was some action we were taking, say petition or rescue or transport but the thread title needs also to be careful and not too explicit cos we have some who have complained about the explicit titles.
i know we cannot please everyone but if we could come to a sensible comprimise then i think all will be much happier and like mark says bickering on the threads would have to stop once the formula has been agreed.....................i mean that we stop bickering now lol.
i think this is a good idea put forward by mark and if we can sort of get it halfway then we hopefully are on the right track ;D
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I still think some people will miss out on important issues but it's their privilege. The thing I found earlier today that we won't talk about :-: , had a comment at the end from a qualified doctor in America he said and I quote "One thing I'd like to discover is the genes for good behaviour in the cats - the genes for domestication, the things that make them not want to kill our children but play with them." >:(
This is a qualified doctor talking. Scary :scared: - These people need watching and taking to task.
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the things that make them not want to kill our children but play with them." >:(
Was this the same guy that wrote that cats are devils blog??? :rofl:
One thing I'd like to discover is the genes for good behaviour in the cats - the genes for domestication
Does he mean why cats have become domesticated or cats are naughty and need domesticating more?
Whats this add to buddy list in our profiles? Is its Marks list? :-:
Can I make it clear that I have not complained about anything or asked for anything to be deleted other that having that little moan the other day.
Right I'm zipped from now on. :)
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Was this the same guy that wrote that cats are devils blog??? :rofl:
He was saying he would like to alter the genes that make cats what they are and turn then into dolls really.
as cats want to "kill children" :evillaugh:
I thought all that stuf went out in the 1600's :evillaugh:
No this is a research doctor in America - even more scary :scared:
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i agrree with t, there is the serious stuff and the stuff that is posted to make either fun of a cat or any other animal when its in distress.
i would like to see the serious stuff posted with appropriate warning and the unfunny stuff not posted at all
I agree completely.
Potentially distressing items that, however, have a serious educational content or a call to action are one thing and should be welcomed; posts that gratuitously and willfully break the forum rules, simply to attract attention, are something else entirely.
A warning symbol on the serious items will help to deter the inappropriate ones.
:Luv:
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;D Ok Chappie has installed a buddy list thingy ;D
In your profile you will see "edit your buddies list" Here you can add members names. When you log on, the bottom who's online list will tell you if any of ya buddies are online too and how many.
To send all your buddies a pm at the same time -
Go to the "new message" option in your pm menu,
click the "!" button next to the "To" field
Check the box next to "Show buddies only"
Enter a * (star symbol) in the search box and hit enter
When the search results are returned, simply click on the name of each buddie that you want to send the message to - the name will automatically be inserted into the box.
;D
So you can now send pm's to certain people from a list :) :)
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I'm all for going on a buddies list but still think it's OTT. If there is a warning in the title, if people choose to look, surely that's down to them and not the person who posted and they have no right complaining :tired:
But I agree with the comment by Christine "posts that gratuitously and willfully break the forum rules, simply to attract attention, are something else entirely."
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Thanks Tan & Chappie ;D
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OK you also can now pop a warning icon by your post by selecting the yellow triangle in the message icon drop down list.
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Do you deliver pizza too? :evillaugh:
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Mines a chinese curry ,,,,,,,chicken please :rofl: :rofl:
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Mark if you do do the list thing and not the warning on a thread approach I'd like to be included, just found and read the article you mention a bit of an extreme comment from a doctor but have to say unfortunately there are several article out there that try to make themselves credible through "expert" comment, sometime think it makes a mockery of a tragic situation or serious discussion
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh its by your post :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
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Mines a chinese curry ,,,,,,,chicken please :rofl: :rofl:
mmmmm with chinese chips :drool;
I'm starving - OH is working "late" - I asked if I should eat - "don't know - I will phone later" - here I am starving. I've had 2 slices of toast with jam and 3 hot cross buns - oh and a banana - all day :( - and I've been working hard so not enough :( - now mobile isn't being answered :(
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Just wanted to see what it looks like :-:
But obviously will only show if its added on the 1st post :idea:
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Yes as the base icon and if first post was yours you can add it now ;D
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I'm all for going on a buddies list but still think it's OTT. If there is a warning in the title, if people choose to look, surely that's down to them and not the person who posted and they have no right complaining :tired:
But I agree with the comment by Christine "posts that gratuitously and willfully break the forum rules, simply to attract attention, are something else entirely."
Couldn't agree more, if you open a newspaper you might see articles that distress or upset you the choice is simple - don't read them. If there is a warning system on the threads then people can choose to do just that.
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Well who is going to do the poll? :evillaugh:
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Great we have both now so what system would you all like .... a list or a warning with new warning symbol :)
Lol Mark excellent and yes we do do pizza but it comes with cat hair topping :rofl: :rofl:
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I say warning symbol - have to agree with Dawn, if people don't wish to read the thread or click on the links (as I often don't as am very sensitive when it comes to animals) then they have nothing to be concerned about. Those that wish to discuss that particular thread can do so safe in the knowledge that any more sensitive members won't be distressed by the content.
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I think it should be done on a warning system, doing it by pm is just going a bit too far towards a 'nanny state' for my liking, and I think we should all be adult enough to have the choice of whether to read something or not - I dont read as much as i would like, as not all the links show up in my e-mail notification, and I have to be careful how much I read at work, but I dont want that taken away from me, but I also dont want tons of pms.
In regards to YouTube vids, I think there shoudl be some guidelines, I dont mind watching the genuine ones that could help people, but very few of the ones I have seen posted on here have been like that, the rest have all been more what the owner found funny.
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I would like to see only the serious onces with health , rescue or petiton reason on Purrs with a warning symbol, I dont want to have to wade through loads of so called cats in distress and we want a reaction threads.
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I dont want to have to wade through loads of so called cats in distress and we want a reaction threads.
I would think the genuine cats in distress would be in the rescue section :shy:
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Hi folks,
Personally, I'd favour either the PM solution or a new forum where such subjects could be posted and discussed amongst those with an interest in them and to leave this forum free for genral light-hearted cat chat.
Just my five cents worth for what it's worth.
Cheers
Leigh
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I thought the main purpose of purrs was rescue, rehoming and cat welfare issues - none of which are lighthearted. The chit chat, although very welcome is just a bonus. I could be wrong and maybe things have changed?
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No Mark, you are right, the main purpose in indeed that and yes the rest is just a great time to chill for us.
I think in general we all agree. There is the buddie list, and those who want to use that can, and others can post but with warning, and provided its genuine, let's find a way to help and get a discussion going, then we can. The gratuitous stuff. Well guess peeps generally know how we feel about that.
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In regards to YouTube vids, I think there shoudl be some guidelines,
With that I would agree.
Personally, I'd favour either the PM solution or a new forum where such subjects could be posted and discussed amongst those with an interest in them and to leave this forum free for genral light-hearted cat chat.
And that, although Rescues I think can say their stories about situations they are dealing with. At least then we know that something is being done about it and the animals are being helped. I don't care for the stories where we can do absolutely nothing to help.
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Hi folks,
I didn't express myself that well in my previous posting, perhaps I chose an inappropriate term in "light-hearted". I appreciate that a lot of the purpose and rational for Purrs is associated with the work of cat rescues and cat welfare but the board is constructed with multiple forums and this includes this one entitled "General Cat Chat". I guess this forum was designed as a catch all forum for anything that didn't fit elsewhere in on of the other forums. For this reason most folks, myself included, choose to hang around and post in here unless they have a question or subject better suited to be posted in one of the other forums. I viasit Purrs as of course do all other members because we all love to talk about and learn interesting facts about cats, ours and others, this is the glue that holds us together. Of course we are a broad church with all shades of opinion as one might expect. As for myself then I visit Purrs to enhance my love of cats who in turn are my therapy for dealing with life's stresses. I've long since given up reading newspapers, watching TV news and the such because I find so many things depressing and totally beyond my influence or power to resolve. So, it is for this reason and on behalf of others who share my reasoning, that I suggested another forum where such topics could be discussed amongst those who choose to do so and perhaps reserve/rename this forum as a "chill" space for, if I dare to use the term again "light-hearted" enjoyable discussion about our favourite passtime cats.
I must just add that perhaps it is me that is out of step with the nature of the board as I have only fairly recently returned to Purrs after my spell in hospital and my computer problems in which case I appologise if I have missed this change of emphasis.
Best Regards
Leigh
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Hi Leigh,
Nor did I :evillaugh:
By forum, I thought you meant Purrs as a whole and not just the general section. I agree with what you say about general cat chat should be just that. Maybe a separate section for welfare would be appropriate and anyone that feels they don't want to go in there doesn't. I'm not talking about nasties but things I and I know a lot of other people want to be aware of and if possible try to stop. For example, one of the websites gives a list of charities that endorse animal testing, eg Cancer research UK - I want to be aware so my money and donated items don't go to them - there are alternative cancer research charities and I will happily donate to them. That kind of thing is animal welfare to me.
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I think Leigh that many would agree with you. I myself come on here mainly for the rescue and advice sections. I don't mind a bit of lighthearted chat on the General cat chat, but I don't want to see videos with a cat in that could have easily hurt itself and than someone posting how they laughed when they saw it. So I understand perfectly what you are saying. Also as previously posted I don't want to see anything that I or indeed anyone on Purrs can do absolutely nothing about. Although the petitions I do not mind, as we are helping in some way.
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Yes Mark is right by the main purpose of Purrs is for the rescues, to help them with funds, to help support them in anyway we possibly can. That is my passion, i call it passion cause the buzz i get when we as a group / family fundraise and pass over the funds to the rescues. Do ya know since we started almost a year ago we have raise and given to the rescues over £5000 !!!!! :wow: :wow: Over 5 grand for the poor cats that our wonderful rescue save every minute, every day , every year. We have done that from having such wonderful members and by having events where we can have fun while raisng the money. I honestly feel so proud of you all for it's every single one of you that has made this possible. :Luv:
One little website that started only as a temp basis to hold the last Xmas auction has raised over £5000 so far, you have helped pay for vet bills that save the needy cats, you have helped the rescues care and love the needy cats and the end result is they too find a loving home the same as our babes have the luxury of having. I have always wanted to do something more to help the needy amimals and Purrs will always be here with your help to do just that, my "passion" will never fade. It may sound soppy or ott but that is how i have always felt. I think of just one poor cat, unloved, treated cruely, never cared for. I see him or her sitting there so sad and all i want to do to give him or her the love they sooooo deserve. There are sooooo many out there just like that and the more we help the rescues, the more we help them.
We use the "fun" side of Purrs to keep our members together so we all have a place to chat with each other about our cats, loves and dislikes etc and it helps the fundraing side to have a large community.
Leigh, you have come up with another solution to have a sep board where any posts that members think might upset can be posted and the members who do not wish to see these post simply do not go into that section. This is something we can easily do as well as having the choice of a buddie list and warning titles. If you would also like the new board, what do you sugest we call it? :)
I will try my very best and anything possible to make everyone happy cause at the end of the day the more happy members we have, the more fundraing we can do and therefore the more rescues we can help. :Luv:
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One thing with having a sep board will be that the threads there will still come up the the show latest threads link at the bottom and in show all unread posts link at the top.
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I would say that the warning triangle system ought to take care of it. Thinking of the report that Mark read, that started this discussion, it is probably a good example of something a lot of us would like to be aware of because then we have avenues of legitimate protest open to us. If we do not know these things are going on, we will not be able to argue against them.
On the other hand, most of us would like to choose the times to confront such things and the warning symbol with a description such as medical research (in this case) would enable us to do that.
Speaking as one of the people who will have to read all the cautioned material anyway, for obvious reasons, I would certainly rather choose my time to do so if I can.
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I read everything from unread posts, so thats what I meant bout not wanting to have to wade through loads of nasty titles cos I definately will not be reading any of this stuff like I said before.
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I read everything from unread posts, so thats what I meant bout not wanting to have to wade through loads of nasty titles cos I definately will not be reading any of this stuff like I said before.
It will still only be legitimate topics for discussion, like this research Mark mentioned, will it not? The troll-y, sensationalist or deliberately provocative stuff will still be against forum standards?
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I am not sure Christine, cos maybe I misunderstood Tans post but assumed thats what would go on a new board, hopefully I am wrong but not sure
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I think a new board is a good idea, althoguh if they will still show up on unread posts, I will have a similar prob as Gill with loads of threads to wade through to find the ones I actually wanted to answer (I read most of them at work, then reply at home).
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Sounds like its back to the "warning" symbol....I dont read the negative sounding (to me) posts so do miss out on some that are less harsh than they sound....Then the peeps who have to sort through these threads will have an easier job wading through...Maybe using amber and red to highlight the degree....(not meaning too over the top though!) ;)
In a new section is also good :ok:
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It will still only be legitimate topics for discussion, like this research Mark mentioned, will it not? The troll-y, sensationalist or deliberately provocative stuff will still be against forum standards?
Yes Chris your right. The stuff that deliberately is posted purely to offend will be moderated.
So do we need a poll for this?
I will put one up anyway so we can see what people prefer. :)
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Ive just voted but Im not telling :evillaugh: .....as if no one would know being the first voter :rofl: ;) Sorry for being silly :P
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Isnt a warning in the title enough ?
I thought that would be simple - if you dont like the nature of the title DONT open it ....or am I missing something ?
As for the YouTube clips, its nothing worse than watching "you've been framed"
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To have a warning title and symbol and posted in General or current sections.
If it is done like that won’t people who look at most recent post on the forum be faced with them?
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Yes Ela
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I also have a problem with the triangles cos to me these would be threads I dont want to read but one that Dawn has a triangle on is a warning to people top beware of Gin traps in a certain part of the country and that is one that to me is something people need to be aware of if they live there.
Yes its cruelty and probably the link in there is not something I would want to read but this is a public service message, and not one to have the traingle only a warning with the link.
I think we have to have a clear definition of how posts /threads fall.
Examples:
Wanton cruelty to animals that is deliberate and is upsetting to read...........warning in title and triangle/maybe a different board
Public Service messages, maybe cruelty but its the link that has the upsetting stuff in..............warning in thread/post
Public Service message cos a cat needs our help due to neglect, cruelty......warning in title
Posts/threads that are put up to shock, gain reactions but are of animals in distress that some people think are fun..........not to be posted at all
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I also have a problem with the triangles cos to me these would be threads I dont want to read but one that Dawn has a triangle on is a warning to people top beware of Gin traps in a certain part of the country and that is one that to me is something people need to be aware of if they live there
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I would agree that the triangle would not necessarily work, as indeed the above shows.
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Wanton cruelty to animals that is deliberate and is upsetting to read...........warning in title and triangle/maybe a different board
For the life of me I just cannot understand why anyone on here especially, when we can do nothing about it, would want to read about wanton cruelty to animals
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I can think of a reason to let people know about those YouTube videos that promote animal cruelty - whenever I see them I vote them down. It would not be appropriate to promote them generally though, so PMing those you know won't misunderstand your motives is the right way to go. There are some videos and websites that are dubious, and if you're not sure about them a PM to a Mod or Admin would be best. Another option, if possible, would be to have a forum where you can post but where the posts don't show up until moderated. That depends on the forum software though. The kind of thing this kind of moderation would be needed for includes such subjects as declawing, where the information is educational, but where the resources contain graphic images.
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The Youtube vids that have been posted on here wernt to do with animal cruelty.
SpecialRed and Mark's threads were not cruel to the cats.
This is getting really silly now IMO
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For what its worth I agree with Michelle, we are in danger of over moderating this forum and as someone suggested earlier running it very like a nanny state!
I do appreciate we are all different and some more sensitive than others but surely we can come to a compromise without creating more and more rules......we are all adults here and I dont believe for one moment that any of our regular posters would support what they believe to be animal cruelty!
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I think you have misunderstood what I meant about wanton animal cruelty.
We have had many upsetting threads that put links to press reports about wanton animal cruelty, where there have been press reports of what has happened.....this is what I am referring too.
The uTube videos fall into the last category I have suggested where distressed animals are put up to have a laugh at.
I am not suggesting anything different to what Tan has asked and the poll shows, just trying to clarify what would go where.
So why are you all getting upset now about a so called nanny site when you werent before?
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Personally I don't understand why we're having this lengthy discussion. Tan owns this forum and she has set guidelines which are posted and has tried her best to make everyone happy with what they want. I figure we have the warning triangle, you can choose to read it or not. End of. You choose to read it and you aren't happy then just report it. A moderator can see whether or not it warrants moderating or not.
The guidelines are there for posting, they tell you what is appropriate and what is not. I say let's just move on.
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We are having the discussion Ruth because below, Tan has asked us questions before further guidelines are put out, in an attempt to please as many as possible.
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That's what I mean Gill. The current guidelines are clear and simple, I don't understand why we need further guidelines. I'll step out of this discussion.
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I've avoided responding to this thread up til now, and I have lost track a bit of what everyone has said and what the options are (not been around a lot the past week or so and have probably missed some of the threads people refer to) but can I suggest we take a step backwards and chill out? I know Tan has asked for choices which is fair enough but I feel this whole thread is a knee jerk reaction to a few recent threads and we are all in danger of turning a drama into a crisis. My head's whirling with all the possible options and opinions and I can't help but feel we are making things way too complicated. We can't keep everyone happy all of the time - there will be moments when we disagree over what is appropriate or not - but that's life and virtual life is not different from real life in that respect. We just have to deal with things as they come along and then move on.
My own opinion is that a warning that a link or post contains potentially upsetting material is sufficient. Posters should avoid being too explicit in their posts when reporting cruelty so that people can choose whether or not they want to read about a specific case. Instances where cruelty or possible cruelty is posted for specatcle or entertainment only (an example being the link a while back to a very overweight cat) are not acceptable, but I think that is in keeping with Purrs guidelines and no further rules are needed. Links to other sites that are advertising are also not acceptable. Links to Youtube are a tricky area, but I see no problem with posting a link to something that the original poster considers cute or funny. If a moderator considers it not funny and deletes the link or closes the thread then c'est la vie. That is just the way life is - it's not the end of the world and the OP in that case would just have to accept that they thought it was ok but someone else didn't and move on.
This is my opinion as a member and not as a moderator. I'm also speaking generally and none of my comments refer to any specific poster, post or thread. I just feel this is all in danger of getting a bit silly. We can't regulate for every possible situation that may arise.
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For what its worth I agree with Michelle, we are in danger of over moderating this forum and as someone suggested earlier running it very like a nanny state!
I do appreciate we are all different and some more sensitive than others but surely we can come to a compromise without creating more and more rules......we are all adults here and I dont believe for one moment that any of our regular posters would support what they believe to be animal cruelty!
I agree Linda, we certanly don'y want to start on the strict rules route and "nanny state", we get enough of that from the Government lately. :innocent: The thing is all of us are here for a reason.... we care about cats :Luv: and more than that we want also to help those cats less fortunate than our own through the wonderful rescues. :Luv:
I posted earlier about how i feel and why Purrs was created as a fundraisng site with some side fun for our members to enjoy while helping the rescues who need the support. It has always been that any "trolls" that join us to purely upset (and thank god we haven't been hit badly with them), would be moderated and banned, that wont change and the guidelines we have always had from the start are still in place. They are there so we can all come to a place we want to, a friendly place to chat, advise, support and to help needy cats. It's that simple, thats what Purrs is and i will try my hardest for it to stay that way. :wish:
To be honest , i don't really know why we have got to this point? We all love cats, and none of us want to see posts that are purely posted to upset, they will be moderated, no diff from before all this started. I think what's happened is that we all have different views on what upsetting is and we went through a spate of alot of posts that can be seen as upsetting to some. We have to find a happy medium, something to give everyone a choice for themselves to read or not. All of us have a choice on purrs, some of us just want to read about the cat topics, some also post in non cat, some of us like to read the jokes section, some play the arcade, some don't have time too. etc etc We are all diff and we have built up Purrs to have something for everybody (i hope :rofl: ).
From all the posts here and it's good to have these dicussions :), it's plain to see that we still have different views on what you would like.
So what i am gonna do is open a new board called Cat Welfare articles and news. This board can be used to post news or welfare articles. For example if there is news that in a certain area cats are missing or being hurt as a warning to members, or if there is an article on a medical treatment that is contraversial etc etc. If there are posts which contan links to medical pictures that many upset, them simply pop a line of text saying that they may disturb some and if you want to you can use the warning symbol too. We will all have the choice to read the thread and to view the links.
We already have the buddie list and the warning symbol if you so choose to use them, totally your chioce. The last thing i want to do is take your freedom of choice away, nothing worse in my opinion. :-:
The forum basic guidelines are still in place all over the forum as they have always been. They are basic guidelines that we all as cat lovers would follow naturally anyway because of our common love of cats and are mainly there to give newbies a view of how we want our forum to be. Trolls that post deliberately upsetting or provking posts wil be treated as they have been in the past. :Luv:
Now there is one thing i wanna know........................................
Have ya got ya auction stuff ready cause it starts 3 weeks today :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: hee hee just wait to see what i got to put up :yayyy: :yayyy:
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I agree with you Susanne but the problem is that a moderator did exactly what you said and people didnt move on and its caused all this trouble!
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I've avoided responding to this thread up til now, and I have lost track a bit of what everyone has said and what the options are (not been around a lot the past week or so and have probably missed some of the threads people refer to) but can I suggest we take a step backwards and chill out? I know Tan has asked for choices which is fair enough but I feel this whole thread is a knee jerk reaction to a few recent threads and we are all in danger of turning a drama into a crisis. My head's whirling with all the possible options and opinions and I can't help but feel we are making things way too complicated. We can't keep everyone happy all of the time - there will be moments when we disagree over what is appropriate or not - but that's life and virtual life is not different from real life in that respect. We just have to deal with things as they come along and then move on.
My own opinion is that a warning that a link or post contains potentially upsetting material is sufficient. Posters should avoid being too explicit in their posts when reporting cruelty so that people can choose whether or not they want to read about a specific case. Instances where cruelty or possible cruelty is posted for specatcle or entertainment only (an example being the link a while back to a very overweight cat) are not acceptable, but I think that is in keeping with Purrs guidelines and no further rules are needed. Links to other sites that are advertising are also not acceptable. Links to Youtube are a tricky area, but I see no problem with posting a link to something that the original poster considers cute or funny. If a moderator considers it not funny and deletes the link or closes the thread then c'est la vie. That is just the way life is - it's not the end of the world and the OP in that case would just have to accept that they thought it was ok but someone else didn't and move on.
This is my opinion as a member and not as a moderator. I'm also speaking generally and none of my comments refer to any specific poster, post or thread. I just feel this is all in danger of getting a bit silly. We can't regulate for every possible situation that may arise.
Couldn't have put it better myself hun.
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Good stuff sounds like we are all sorted then ;D
Mmmm intrigued about the auction item Tanny................ :evillaugh:
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Yayyyy back to the fun then ;D
Hey Lins it aint just one great item for the auctio i got, i got loads :happy dance: :agree: :birth 2: :pressie: :yes:
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Ooooh and 3 weeks to wait to see :evillaugh:
Seriously cant wait for the auction, it was ace last year :Luv:
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don't really know why we have got to this point?
I think it could have started when a couple of UTube links were posted and a poster thought them funny and mentioned something like 'if it was their cat they would have laughed,' others were concerned for the cat and wondered how someone could laugh when the cat could have injured itself.
I have to say we have until now managed very well, so perhaps the mountain we seem to have built can turn once again into a molehill and action taken for a change if the mountain rises once again. Hopefully lessons will not have been learn as to what is acceptable on what is essentially a fundraising/rescue site.
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I'm sorry if my post added to the confusion. I made it thinking that, where we aren't sure whether to post a link, we could have a range of options, including asking the Mods for advice. The more options we have, the more self-moderation there is. Some links are obviously OK, some obviously aren't, but there's a range in the middle,where the subject needs to be highlighted, but the link might be too upsetting, and posting it could be counter productive.
This is all about fine-tuning though - I agree with everyone who's said that the balance on this forum is already about right.
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:rofl: MillysMum!
I love the look on moderator kittens face :rofl:
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I dont think things should be shielded from peoples eyes, they have a choice to look or not.
I dont mind factual things like what Mark posted or video's of cats that make me laugh. What I dont like is video's of cats that show them getting hurt (in my eyes) and I'm pretty sure no-one has ever posted anything like that before this.
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I just adore that moderator Kitty................its a bit like Lexy I think ;D
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:rofl:
They had that image on "Whose Line is It" tonight
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:rofl: at the kitty mod. I figures I can use that as avatar (says Lexy!) ;)
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Ummmmmmmmmmmm I thought you were offline while away........or didnt you actually take off :rofl: :rofl:
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Hotel gave me a deal on in room deals, including the "inturnets" so guess what.. I may just be able to make the quiz :naughty:
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Oh my the red team may have 3, 4 if you include Lexy.......................you didnt know bout that then :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
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My Opinion
When Hamish was Diagnosed with CRF, I searched the Internet for something to Help Me, And PURRS Fitted the Bill Perfectly !!!
I cannot Thank everyone Enough for their Help and Support Through Hamish's illness, and for That, I am Most Gratefull !!!!
PERSONALLY I FEEL There in NO REAL REASON for the need of such Post's of ANIMAL CRUELTY to be posted on PURRS !!
As the Forum Name Suggest's it is " Predominantly " for Cat's and is Mainly for People to Get Help with Problem's with their Cat's,
Gain Knowledge about Illnesses & Behaviour, For Rescues, And Re-Homing etc,etc and of Course to be an enjoyable experiance
for It's Member's !!
We Do have an Excellent Cat Community Here and I " for one " would Like to Keep it that way!!
I know some of You have Very Strong Opinion's about animal Cruelty and are Very Passionate about the Subject, But I think
There is a "Time and a Place" and I Feel PURRS is not IT!!!
Recently there Have been Personal attack's on Admin's and Moderator's on PURRS about the censoring of such Topic's
This in turn is Giving a Feeling, as if a wave of animosity was going through the Forum, "And I don't Like it"
I Know it can't Be easy for the Admin's and Mod's to keep EVERYONE Happy, But I feel they are dealing with a situation
We can All Do Without, I know this may sound a Bit Harsh and Unfeeling, But WE ALL KNOW IT GO'S ON, And Certain
Member's on PURR'S do NOT Like to be Reminded of Such Thing's!!
I Have Also E-mailed The Admin's and Moderator's with some suggestion's on How they could maybe combat such post's
I Have Been A Vegetarian Since 1990, And I Too Feel Very Strongly About These Thing's, But I Refrain From Preaching IT!!
As I Know a Lot of People Have their Own View's on That Subject!!
And I can Just Imagine The Responses I'd Get if I'd put a Post up Depicting in Graphic Detail of what Goes on in the Abattoirs
I have done a quick search of the Net, and have found "For those that May Be Interested" a Few site's for your Consideration!!
Thanks for the Tip Leigh,
" WARNING, FOLLOWING LINK'S MAY OFFEND!!! "
http://www.arkangelweb.org/links.php
http://www.faace.co.uk/harecours.htm
http://www.catster.com/group/Against_animal_cruelty-599
http://www.animalconcerns.org/
http://www.animalsuffering.com/forum/login.php?redirect=index.php&f=39&sid=926ab4bd71b6a33e20b81659852451a1
http://bubl.ac.uk/link/a/animalrights.htm
http://jedi-hobbit.net/ala/ "WARNING, GRAPHIC PICTURE ON PAGE"
http://www.headsup.org.uk/content/default.asp?page=s4_3_16
I Do Not Want Member's who Feel Strongly about Such Topic's to Leave PURR'S, But I Feel, that if People Feel That Strongly
about such Topic's, then Those People Should Maybe Post Them There !!!
Regards Stuart.........
P.S. I will Still Gladly Sign any Petition's that are posted on PURR'S (As I have Done in the Past)
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Hi Stuart,
I couldn't have put it better myself and agree with your comments 100% and, like yourself, I have also previously messaged the admin to express my feelings and suggestions on how such matters could best be handled. Maybe with the links included iin your posting this thread should now have a warning triangle.
Cheers
Leigh
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Stuart, I am so pleased to read your post and echo your sentiments entirely.
I was really upset earlier in the week and felt personally attacked by some members, so much so, I didn't join in the birthday celebrations yesterday. I will continue to contribute though, as I may be able to help in future rescues, fund-raising etc, which I think is what this forum is all about.
Jas
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As the Forum Name Suggest's it is " Predominantly " for Cat's and is Mainly for Help, Learning, and Fun about our Furbabes!!
Its also about the rescue side of things. For me i dont always like to see things, depends on my mood, but generally it encourages to keep doing what i am. There are days you think why do i bother, until you hear another story of some poor animal and thats why.
Generally, if you dont like the title dont open it, i dont see the problem with that :-: :Dont know: :Dont know:
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I agree with MM, I don't go on any other forums or if I do, it's very rarely but I get a lot of stuff through that need public support to put an end to. Purrs has helped so many animals and not just cats, this is a forum for "animal lovers". I know it's predominantly about cats but I like to help all animals where I can, and Purrs allows us to do that. If you look at the voting, a majority of the people on Purrs are quite happy with a warning triangle, this should, in my opinion suffice.
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Thank's for your comment's Dawn and MM ;)
And I do Know that PURR'S Also Help's with Rescue's and Re-Homing Issue's ( I have amended my First Post )
In My First Post I was Just Trying to Emphasize the Fact that "There are Specific Website's out there to Dealing with Such Issues"
And if You were that way inclined, Maybe you could Post Your Concern's on Those Website's !!
Don't know if this has been suggested, But there could Be a separate Index Thread Created on the PURR'S main Page entitled
"Cruelty Post's" or something ??
I.E. General Cat Chat
Cruelty Post's
Our Cat Stories
Rescue Rehoming
etc, etc
And That way It would Remove all Chance of Member's who may be upset or offended by Seeing/Reading Thing's They Dont want To !!
Kind Regards and Respect Stuart
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There already is a seperate board Stuart!
Theres been no need to use it yet as sparkles post didnt need it and the dog petition is in the correct area. And has a warning next to it. Case solved the way i see it.
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Ok, But I cant See it on the Home page :see:
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Hi Stu
Yeap we decided to have three things to try and combat this prob with diff views so we have a sep board called Cat welfare and news - (i think i will add in the description that possible upsetting cat welfare and news should be posted here) , we also have a buddy list now so anyone can select that buddie group and pm off the main forum to those that want to hear about possible upsetting posts or news and we have the warning symbol with approprate title guide for possible upsetting posts.
Three things i hoped would give us all a choice and all happy on the forum.
Thanks very much for your sugesstions. I have put them to the staff to discuss.
:Luv: :Luv:
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I do feel that all members here are adults and can tell, from the opening lines, whether or not they are going to find the content offensive and should take personal responsibility for deciding whether or not to continue reading. Having said that, the poster also has a responsibility to ensure that the title of thread contains sufficient information for that decision to be made in advance by those who might inadvertently open something that contains images that might offend. But given that this is a forum for people involved in rescue, the primary members are more than likely to have seen something far worse in their day to day activities, so unduly heavy censoring for the minority of excessively sensitive people seems to risk stifling debate on matters that warrant discussion.
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Generally, if you dont like the title dont open it, i dont see the problem with that
Thats what i just dont understand :shocked:
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I do feel that all members here are adults and can tell, from the opening lines, whether or not they are going to find the content offensive and should take personal responsibility for deciding whether or not to continue reading. Having said that, the poster also has a responsibility to ensure that the title of thread contains sufficient information for that decision to be made in advance by those who might inadvertently open something that contains images that might offend. But given that this is a forum for people involved in rescue, the primary members are more than likely to have seen something far worse in their day to day activities, so unduly heavy censoring for the minority of excessively sensitive people seems to risk stifling debate on matters that warrant discussion.
I totally agree. I *really* do not see the point of a special section myself, and having run forums ( not cat related ) myself for many years, I have found that too much fragmenting isn't a good idea. Just my opinion tho. I don't have the time to go reading thru lots of different sections, I only visit General Cat Chat, and Rainbow Bridge. The whole ' upsetting ' thing itself is a contentious issue, for example, I am perfectly able to read and inform myself about cruelty cases without getting ' upset ' but I find posts that amuse others such as ' the cat that gets picked up in the car ' very disturbing and an RTA waiting to happen, and therefore, upsetting.
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Hi folks,
Please forgive me for posting again regarding this matter but some of the comments posted in connection with this discussion have prompted me to get this off my chest so as to speak. I've always much enjoyed visiting Purrs as, for me,it offers a refuge from life's miseries and frustrations. I think that Albert Schweitzer put it much better than I could when he said "There are two means of refuge from the misery of life - music and cats" although I might add that conversing on the subject of cats is also a joy. I'm not a "primary" member, I wasn't aware we had "primary" and presumably "secondary", "tertiary" members of Purrs, I thought that we just had "members". As a member of Purrs, I'm happy to comply with the decision of the majority and the poll has been completed by less than 1/2 % of Purrs' 950 odd members. I am also a self-confessed "over sensitive" type, I couldn't change that if I wanted to, I've always been this way, that's the way I'm made, it's as simple as that, I neither wear it as a badge of distinction nor one of shame. We are all bombarded daily via the media with things that we feel strongly about and feel powerless to do anything about, poverty, violence, cruelty etc. etc. This I think is the crux of the matter, I agree with Stu and others who believe that there is no place for posts on such matters in a "General Cat Chat" forum warning diamonds or no warning diamonds. As Stuart also advocates I'm in favour of grouping posts containing any such content together in a separate forum heading where folks who wish to can peruse them to their hearts delight and leave the "General Cat Chat" forum free of such content where all can visit and enjoy uplifting, amusing and enjoyable and informnative discussion on our favourite subject of cats.
Cheers
Leigh
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sorry leigh, by primary members I did not intend to indicate a hierarchy of membership, just the the rescues are the reason for the site, and therefore special.
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No offense taken here, what I meant was that the board is structured through the availability of separate forums to accommodate all types of discussion including the cherished and important work done by rescues and, in this context, would be a logical home to postings regarding such matters whilst the "General Chat" forum is designed for a different purpose else we might as well merge them all together but it makes perfect sense to me to have separate forums for separate genres and that includes postings on cruelty.
Cheers
Leigh
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I was really upset earlier in the week and felt personally attacked by some members,
But it was YOU doing the attacking !
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Now lads steady on, lets keep this post civil ( :naughty:if it ever was)
I've just voted for title and symbol which is proving to be the most popular option - though its a shame that more people haven't voted but I feel that those that don't probably aren't that fussed, in the moderate end (and would go for option 1 anyway).
we are all going to have differing thoughts on this matter and we (tan and the mods) cannot please everyone.
As a rescuer I do like to be kept informed on any relevant cruelty trends and news, I want this info available quickly as I don't have time to search for it and I really don't like buddy lists as I think they tend to become clique and go off track and lifes too short (sorry :-[).
As a humble moderator, being priviliged to be involved and included on this forum, the only realistic option is to go with the majority decision and keep most of the purrs members happy. You cannot cater for every individual member, and I suppose the reality is, if a member is sooooo unhappy with the way things are , then perhaps this is not the forum for them (My own opinion and I'm not targetting anyone as I haven't been keeping up with this thread being as I have no strong opinions on it).
To those who get upset easily, I'm sorry there is a symbol and there should be something in the title.
To everyone else, including the above, if a moderator gets a complaint or 2 and decides to add a cautionary symbol to your thread then there is no reason to get upset and take it personally.
Please lets remember what a nice place this is to visit and keep sensible. Noone wants to over police the site. I personally love a good argument or two and even when I can't be bothered to join in find some of them thought provoking. I have changed some of the things I do with my cats over the year as a result of some of the more heated threads.
I hope to continue learning and enjoying this place and II hope that everyone else out there feels the same.
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I was really upset earlier in the week and felt personally attacked by some members,
But it was YOU doing the attacking !
What a strange thing to say, I was merely asking the Mods to make a small modification in the title as per the board's guidelines.
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I have avoided getting involved in this thread but as I read through latest posts list it seems to be everywhere I have looked for quite some time.
Without expressing my opinion may I just say as an outsider looking in this comes accross as people bickering for the sake of causing an arguement with each wanting the last word.
Please try to be friendly as some of us are being driven away by the nastiness.
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We are in progress of sorting out two things with all the staff and Admins
-one discussing the new 3 things already brought in and a guideline of how to use them to help all members have a choice with any post that maybe upsetting for some.
and two reviewing the moderating guidelines that were put in place a year ago when we 1st opened.
We would want to keep Purrs as free as possible for everyone and not a forum with too many rules!
With so many different personalities with different opinions and sensitivies on any forum and there are bound to be some clashes and so we do have to have some guidelines we all know about and follow. It's near impossible to please everyone with so many members but we will try our hardest to continue a happy forum. That is the key to raise more money for the needy cats which i am sure you will all agree, is our main purpose of Purrs.
We have had some excellent thoughts and suggestions by members from posts and Pm's concerning the issues and we are looking at all of these. I would welcome via pm any more suggestions of your views, i would be very happy to include these in the staff meeting.
Please could ya help me while we sort it all out by holding back on any posts re the issues.
This is a good forum and has raised thousands in only a year form all your kindness and love for cats. Please don't let these issues take over the real reason why Purrs is here- To help the cats that have never known love, beaten, lost, hurt, have problems, are ill, etc through the wonderful rescues. To support and help cats to have a happier life through Slave knowledge and to support members through loosing a beloved cat.
:thanks: :hug:
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I was really upset earlier in the week and felt personally attacked by some members,
But it was YOU doing the attacking !
What a strange thing to say, I was merely asking the Mods to make a small modification in the title as per the board's guidelines.
Yes i agree it was a strange thing for you to say ("i felt personally attacked by some members) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats why i had to comment on it
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just the the rescues are the reason for the site, and therefore special.
To be honest I am in rescue and don't think I am any more special than anyone else.
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just the the rescues are the reason for the site, and therefore special.
To be honest I am in rescue and don't think I am any more special than anyone else.
You are special Ela and never forget it - All of you in rescue are special xxxx
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You are special Ela and never forget it - All of you in rescue are special xxxx
But we in rescue can do nothing without the support of the public.
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You are special Ela and never forget it - All of you in rescue are special xxxx
But we in rescue can do nothing without the support of the public.
Yes that is true -
But its not the public that put hours and hours of unpaid work into saving the lifes of animals. Its not the public that spend hours worrying where the next money is coming from. Its not the public who nurse unwell animals back to health
DONT sell yourself short Hun xxx
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Hi Michelle & Jas
Please would it be possible for you to pm each other if you would like to discuss this any further. Honestly hunnies it aint helping me to try and sort all this out if ya both keep posting againist each other. :thanks: :hug:
If anything it was my fault for not explaining the guidelines fully re the upsetting posts so blame me for all this thread. We are def sorting all this out so it wont happen again. :)
Michelle you are very right the rescues are special and the reason Purrs is here. Sorry Ela have to disagree with ya ;) But if we continue to upset each other it will effect the support and fundraising we do for the rescues and i know all members wouldn't want that to happen.
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Sorry Tan x
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Michelle you are very right the rescues are special and the reason Purrs is here. Sorry Ela have to disagree with ya ;)
Oh dear Ela, you're definitely out numbered on this one :)
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A warning in the title is the obvious solution.
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OK hunnies, Staff meeting concluded and here is the thread about amended Guides etc- http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php?topic=9766.0
I will be locking this thread now as we have discussed this all we can.
Thanks for all your comments and ideas :hug: