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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: Tan on January 10, 2010, 11:51:53 AM
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I have contacted my local CP about the stray entire Tom we have in our neighbourhood. I and a few of the neighbours are trying to get him at the mo to get him done and to hopefully rehome him. Three of us are feeding him and he is staying at night in one of the houses as their cat Sam is much older and is tollerating him being in the house so he is out of the cold when he wants to be on a temp basis.
The stray is very scared of hoomans but has started to let the lady who's house he is getting warmth in aproach him and stroke him so we know he is rehomable. She has called him Asbo!! Sadly she doesn't want another perminant cat. Asbo is in good health, coat is good and he is def not underweight. We have asked about and put posters up (can't get a paper collar on) but noone has come forward as the owners.
Asbo fights my lads and is terorizing the others in the area so i can't take him in here. My lads are getting scared to go out in their cat proofed garden which they have never got out of but this Tom climbs up a flat brick wall on to the 9ft high net fencing and gets out that way. :-:
I rang CP for a bit of advice and to see about borrowing a trap, they said that if he went into the vets under them to be neutered and tested for FiV etc, He would be put back after neutereing in our area and not taken in to be rehomed also that if he was positive for FIV he wouldn't come out of the vets. :( I didn't think CP did this but it is because they are full??
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I think the policy does change from area to area. Also, the sheer volume of cats looking for homes might potentially influence the outcome. I'm not 100% sure though.
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You are right Tan it varies from place to place. We have one of the CP rehoming centreas at Bridgend, think thats where, and any cat suffering from FIV is PTS.
Its nothing to do with how full they are they do it all the time and not many people know.
It also varies between branches but you can almost guarantee that if they test they also PTS cos otherwise they would not test.
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It also varies between branches but you can almost guarantee that if they test they also PTS cos otherwise they would not test.
I disagree with this, I know my local CP have rehomed cats that have tested positive, and one that was old and ill with cancer as well as FIV was allowed to live his life out. They did have a policy of only testing suspect cases though, they didn't test everything. Some charities see it as important to know before rehoming, as it obviously changes how they rehome (indoor only, only cat).
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Glad to hear the Tom is ok for now Tan. I'm not sure how it works in my area but I do know that they would put the cat back in it's environment if people will feed as they are always full - that is what's happened for us. Don't know the criteria regarding testing and the outcome though, that has never been mentioned and as far as I know testing not done - unless it's the same as for Desley's only done when it is suspected?
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Which bit do you disagree with Desley......... that it varies between branches or that its almost guaranteed that if they test they pts?
The only way of knowing is to ask and if they test and say they dont pts, to ask what they do with these cats or why they test :scared:
TBH its not worth testing unless thay have isolation for these cats to stay in until adopted cos they would be wasting precious funds.
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So if we get Asbo neutered and tested and if ok was let back out as a stray here do you still think he would fight my two lads? Garfy is the one that is on guard at night outside and he is the one that fights him. Marl tends to stay in warm at night with me but has fought Asbo stray tom on a few occassions. Both are very causiously going out now in their own garden :( One big worry for me is with my lads fighting him and he is positive :(
If he is tested and it's positive, i don't like the idea of Asbo being PTS as he is young and fit lad but none of us here could home him esp if he's positive so it would down to us to find a FIV home for him quick as the vets won't hold him after the op.
If he's negitive is it right to just out him back as a stray and no rehome being i think he can be homed with "training"
I am not sure whats best for him.
The 1st thing we do need to do is get him done and tested but what to do with him after is a big worry. :scared:
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Right when I got Seb neutered I was told if he tested pos he would be pts, this was taking him to the vets and the cp paying for his test and neuter. So I told them under no circumstances did I want him pts! So I told the vets if he was pos I would pay for his op as the cp would not neuter him if he tested pos for FIV.
The cp do the FIV tests before neuter as they say there is no point in neutering if they are FIV pos- obviously as they would put him to sleep.
So I asked the vets to phone the cp and once that had been done and I said I would pay and also take him home myself, the cp agreed that he would not be pts- its a kind of waste of money for them to neuter a cat with FIV :shocked:
Do make sure when he goes to the vets, whoever takes him, they know exactly what has to be said/ done, if possible get this sorted out with the cp before going to the vets.
Seb already had his card marked to be pts if FIV before I took him there, good job I didn't just walk straight out and leave him there :(
Of course I didn't know any of this it was when I had Blackie and only told he would be pts if pos, then he was already at the vets! Thank God he was neg >:(
My local cp I am talking about here :)
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I doubt the cp would take in a feral as they say they are not good in their pens and cant rehome them :shy:
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I think vets play a big part in decisions about FIV too - the vet of the rescue I got Tosker from tested him, at my request, for FeLV, Coronavirus and FIV, and when I spoke to them myself the vet was very much in favour of pts positive FIV cats (though this would not have been permitted by the rescue had Tosker been positive)
but the vet was only keen to pts, as I understood it, in the interests of trying to eliminate FIV from the cat population - and it would not have been an issue for a cat who would not be able to infect others
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but the vet was only keen to pts, as I understood it, in the interests of trying to eliminate FIV from the cat population -
How narrow minded of a vet! You would think they would know more about FIV these days, we all know FIV cats can and do live happy long lives :(
Have to say if one of mine was found to have FIV, they would be going nowhere! Ollie has been tested for FIV but negative, although I do believe he had/ has something as my other 2 kittens got very sick when I got Ollie, resulting in the death of one of them :(
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Reading between the lines, Tan, and being one of those that would have dealt with your call if you'd phoned from this region, I think they are confused about puss's nature and suspect he may be feral from your description of him. ;) If it were here, we'd warn you he MAY have to be released back if he failed to come round in a foster environment. Often we find people just want rid of a cat, especially if he has caused trouble. So our envolvement in a case like this would depend upon you being willing to care for him afterward if we did have to release him back.
The FIV warning is a standard warning we are obliged to give people such as yourself when they call. Sadly it can sometimes happen with long term strays that a serious health problem comes to light when they do finally get a good vet exam. People reporting strays like this can often become shocked and upset when we tell them puss is suffering and can't be made better. When we do have to PTS such strays we then look like the villians which was not the intent - it's always the people who take the cat to a vet which get the blame you see! It helps everyone concerned if the worse case senario is discussed and accepted as a possibility right from the off so everyone is clear on what CAN happen. :(
I would get back to them and ask them the question outright - "what is your policy on rehoming FIV cats?" It's better to ask than guess. ;) :hug: Branches do vary and there are no set in stone guidelines. :shy:
By the way, Gill, it is standard operational proceedure that 'high risk' cats will be tested. HQ insist on it. The result does determine what kind of home we seek for them. So please don't think that FIV testing is a death sentence.... it's just a diagnostic tool only as far as we are concerned. ;) :hug:
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I am sure it is with you Julie but know at Bridgend which is one of the 7 or is 17 cp rehoming centres they pts all fiv cats and all are tested, cos have a friend who had a stray who went there only for her to find this out later. Luckily he was clear and rehomed after a long time.
I tried them for Tina on an off chance but they were dar too slow and Tina would have been dead in another 24 hrs I reckon if I hadnt have picked up and taken her to Moira. She was tested and was clear because a possible home at the time depended on this.
I so agree that the question needs to be asked and answered without ambigatry..is that a word :innocent:
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Thanks :hug:
Julie do ya think then the CP would actually take him into Foster after the op at my local vets to see if he can be homed or do as they said on the phone that he would be released back here after.
Paula (CP) said the two things that would happen are either put back if negitive and netutered or PTS if positive. Whats the standard policy for CP for neutering strays? After the op do they go to a foster to recover or get released straight away?
If negitive, Would CP have an contact with him after the op or do we collect him and set him free or try to find a home?
We don't mind him around and would continue feeding him and i think the lady would continue to allow him shelter as long as her Sam is ok with that. I would hope that the neutering would help him not to fight my two as this is also a main concern for my boys, esp as they only have the garden as their outside space. I wish i could take him in so he has a loving home himself but no way can i with Garf & Marl.
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I think it must vary from branch to branch. I know Woking are FIV friendly, as Max and Poot came from there, and I know of 3 other FIVs who have been rehomed as well.
They do take it on a case by case scenario though, and those who are capable of being rehomed to indoor environment are given the chance, if they are otherwise in good health.
I'm not sure about ferals though, as they are putting a risk out into that cat community, although saying that, the risk was there before they were caught and tested?
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It does vary from CP branch to branch - Perth my old one isn't for PTS and have rehomed all their FIV with very little hassle - I had 2 of them one Sailor for 7 years and Holly died after 8 months aged 2 - All the Clan are FIV and Corona negative - we had then all tested after the FIP Loss of Gem - Beijing has the Corona virus but that has made no difference here as she is our baby gorgeous :Luv2:
I am currently involved in helping set up a new CP Branch and it will not PTS FIV+ cats - all the folks involved know my opinion on that already and also on the feral issue - OK not all ferals can have the chance to land on their paws like all the darlings inside and outside like my crew but have built up some good contacts as the local CP branch to me PTS FIV cats and know my opinion after they insisted Bl;ue was tested without my permission - Vets now know anything I bring in is destined to be ours on the inside or outside and all are ID Chipped to us just in case they go for a walkabout!
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Tan, it depends on what their foster situation is and whether they have fosterers prepared to work long term on a cat. Some fosterers love the grumpy ones. :evillaugh:
I still believe they are assuming he's feral as what they are offering seems to be the standard TNR. And to be honest, until he's in the trap and at the vets a lot of the time it's hard to judge whether they will come round or not. Even then, some of them you think will come round with a bit of intensive work actually prove to be a lot worse once in care! I do recall one such Tabby I swore was a softee in the making as he was very good with his feeder, she could tickle his ears and even rub his tummy... but the minute we got him in a pen he turned into a Panther! :Crazy: Turned out he only liked his lady whose garden he chose to squat in and on one else would do. :innocent: We took him back to her after 2 weeks and he still lives next to her bins and won't leave. :evillaugh:
It's me who often makes these judgements about returning them in Canterbury as I mainly handle the ferals and I always allow two weeks for initial shock to go. If after 2 weeks they are still very hostile and it is plain to see we are doing them no favours by keeping them cooped up, back they go (so long as the environment is safe and someone is feeding them!) :innocent:
You can expect him to radically change his behaviour when the hormones go... but be warned it can take up to six weeks for that to happen. He should become a lot quieter after that. :)
The kind of service CP offers does differ a lot between branches. So I can't say what your branch can or can't offer, only what WE would offer should you live in our patch.... it's ALL down to having sufficient volunteers interested enough in that particular niche of welfare work. If no one in the branch is interested much in trapping for instance, they can't offer you that and you will have to trap for yourself and do all the running around. :tired: Other branches have really serious trappers and it's virtually a professional door-to-door service. :evillaugh: Also what contact they will maintain after returning a cat to site depends on the volunteers being prepared to do it... Again, you have to outright just ask them. ;)
Do give either me or Sharon a yell offlist if you like, hun. We'd be glad to do whateve is in our power. :naughty: :hug:
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I still believe they are assuming he's feral as what they are offering seems to be the standard TNR. The kind of service CP offers does differ a lot between branches. So I can't say what your branch can or can't offer, only what WE would offer should you live in our patch.... If no one in the branch is interested much in trapping for instance, they can't offer you that and you will have to trap for yourself and do all the running around. :tired:
Yep, I guess that is what they are assuming too, or that he is a stray and they have no room to take him on so hope you will care for him. That was case for me I trapped them took them to, and collected from the vets (it was a case of TNR) I kept them until late that night in my garage then released them.
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After the op do they go to a foster to recover or get released straight away?
I would say this would be left to the person taking him to the vets- to pick him back up and let him recoup for a while when he was home, this is what I done with Seb :)
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I have only just seen this thread. Liz what branch are ou helping to set up?
I think as a general rule, we get alot of stray cat calls and are unable to take them all it at the same time. So we do try to encourage the person ringing to help us, we usually offer to neuter the cat if they do all the running around. But we do not routinely test if the cat is going back to the place it was found.. However, i am sure the vets inform us if a stray that we help neuter seems to be ill and we would investigate further.. Generally it all relies on people helping us to help them.
If the cat goes back and eventually comes into our care we would then test (if we knew it was a stray).. Owned cats that we have veterinary history are usually not tested..
Any cat that is coming into our care though is tested, but we do not have a PTS policy on FIV. and actually do well on rehoming them. However, ferals is another issue and thats a situation that Julie mentiones it hard to jodge until you get a cat in a trap and at the vets.
On a side note FIV is probably more prevelant out there in strays, feral cats then we perhaps think. But it is often found in clusters and is something a rescue gets to know about what areas are pockets of infection. ...
But i think i am right in saying CP rules state if a feral proves to be positive then it is PTS.. without second testing required as its unfair to wait for the 2nd testing results to come through if they are sent away. Many vets are not keen to board ferals..
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CC and myself were told about FIV seems to be in certain area's also! ;)
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Sharon its hopefully going to be the new Deeside Branch if we can get enough folks on board - I'm seemingly quite a catch for them as I have more gear than they give for start up - I have my own traps and crush cages and of course kitten pens, mother and kitten pens and 2 isolation wards!
I will be truthful in saying none of my colony cats were tested before we trapped and moved the whole lot with us 3 years ago - Ace is the only one not tested as we can't get near him and he has beaten a large dose of ACP!
If a colony is managed then we have put back in the past but all have had regular feeders and watchers - with our outside crew all the ones trapped haven't been tested but have spent the night in the downstairs study before window opened to release them - of course Blue and Smmy didn't go after 5 days so are now house cats and have fitted in
Ferals aren't for the long haul I am well aware I have a unique setup and 12 years of loving ferals and having the time and space to let them do whatever they can be - some of mine are now lap higgers and sleep with us on the bed at night but it has taken alot of love and time and sadly its not possible in the majority of cases but hopefully the "new" branch will have a good policy we are also going to be involved in Wild cat spotting if it all takes of as some of the large estates in the area have Wildcats and are worried about the cross poulation with ferals.
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Out of interest, Liz, where'd you get the ACP from? We have a few stubborn ferals we've been trying to trap for the snip over 3 years now. :doh: The vet won't let us have ACP so I was wondering if there's another source I hadn't concidered. :shy:
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I wish CP would have a proper policy regarding FIV. There is nothing on the site. The HO Homing centre itself does rehome FIV cats. I don't know if they send the branches guidance notes at least - I would hope so. I can understand it could bring some branches to a standstill if they were unable to rehome though.
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The father of Issey's kittens tested positive for FIV and the local CP insisted he was PTS.
My old vet was also for PTS as "in the interests of trying to eliminate FIV from the cat population"
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It is a stupid idea as there are indoor homes for FIV cats and not all cats fight. I wonder how many of our rescue cats would be positive if tested. For all I know, Willow was FIV as kidney failure is one of the symptoms. I'm sure she wasn't tested.
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I think its quite sad that FIV cats get put to sleep as there are indoor homes they could have long and happy lives
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Julie - our Old vets gave us ACP after some of our young ferals did serious damage to vets and surgery - we spent a weekend painting it for them after a Pebbles and Storm visit and they were only 16 weeks old - Pebbles is now in a normal cat box and Miss Stornm all 2.75kgs is still in a crush cage she is like a Bengal Tiger in fetching grey and white covering! :shocked: :Luv2:
We wouldn't have tested all of ours barring the FIP incident but even if any had been found to be FIV it would have made no difference they have all been together as the Clan for a good many years now and we don't have fighting issues - the odd chase and a couple who hate all cats but are left well alone by the others in fact its my nice domestic cats that are the hooligans!
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It is a stupid idea as there are indoor homes for FIV cats and not all cats fight. I wonder how many of our rescue cats would be positive if tested.
Indeed, I'm sure its way more prevalent then people realise.
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Excuse me for pointing out the :censored: obvious??
FIV is a nasty, vile and evil disease which should be wiped off the face of the planet! >:( Stabilised and pampered FIV cats are in the minority, mostly life for FIV strays who by definition don't get proper health care or diet, involves dying alone and in great pain and suffering. Anyone who doesn't believe me about what FIV is capable of is welcome to the photos of my little Cinque Ports angels that didn't make it - fortunately I didn't record sound files of what a 6 week old kitten screaming in pain as it dies sounds like. That sound will live with me until the day I die myself. :'(
Don't wish to upset anyone... or maybe I do. But we MUST believe that FIV is not a desirable thing to have roaming out there in the general cat population. >:(
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PB any of ours put back have been to very well managed colonies and if they need help they get it
If anything here test positive I would play it by ear as to what to do - some adapt to being inside - Holly and Sailor in our cases and neither was a fighter but had issues with humans both cost a lot in their time with us but were safe and cared for which sadly isn't the case for a lot of the cats we all know and care for
Like FIV - FIP is a distressing illness and I know how hard you fought for the Cinque port kittens same as we did with Gem and her kids - I was lucky I have 1 of 5 left :hug:
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Yeah.... sorry, I really didn't mean to lash out and really didn't mean to wish bad thoughts about all the wonderful FIV puds who do find love and security in indoor homes. :hug: Please excuse the tantrum. :evillaugh:
If only.. IF ONLY everyone would just :censored: neuter their cats BEFORE they go out and we wouldn't have to go through this, would we? :tired: :'(
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Liz, excuse my ignorance but what's ACP?
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Liz, excuse my ignorance but what's ACP?
A very strong sedative often used to sedate horses. You mix it with food, wait 10 minutes after din-dins then ZZZzzzzzzz..... or that's the plan. :tired: :evillaugh: It does have to be said it's for specialist use and hence why my vet won't let me have any. :-[
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Tosker's vet added the Coronovirus test himself, as he felt even more strongly about halting the spread of FIP
and having lost a kitten to it I understand very much how wonderful it would be if it could be wiped off the face of the earth
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If only.. IF ONLY everyone would just :censored: neuter their cats BEFORE they go out and we wouldn't have to go through this, would we? :tired: :'(
so agrre with that hun.
If the "owner" of the tom we have around had been a responible and caring owner he would not be making other cats pregnant causing more kittens in this world and have a home and care! I so think we need to bring in neutering law !!
He's not been in the garden for a couple of days now. Hopefully the neighbour can get him into a basket soon and we can get him to the vets and go from there.
He is a very good looking Tabby :Luv:
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Thanks for that Julie!
Tan, i started a petition on neutering-i had so many negative comments and only about 60 signatures-couldn't believe it!!!!
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the number of times ive been told im cruel for having my 2 done!
its crazy, some of it seems to be males that misunderstand the procedure (and think something else is chopped off) i was argueing for weeks with a girl from work (who was from spain) who was convinced that i could be prosecuted for neutering them as its stopped them behaving naturally! :Crazy:
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It's the same in Greece apparantly! Last year 2 UK vets went over there and neutered 58 feral cats. A local then wanted to take the animal welfare people to court as he believes they should meet their maker intact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just ridiculous! The girl who told us this on Catchat, lives there and has just taken on 2 blind kittens, found a pup with terrible sores all over him,dumped by the bins and last year, 2 more stray kittens in terrible condition, but now beautiful! I think this now brings her total of rescues living with her to 11 cats and 5 dogs!!! She's brilliant!!! :hug:
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But we MUST believe that FIV is not a desirable thing to have roaming out there in the general cat population. >:(
I dont believe its a desirable thing to have out there in the environment but should every cat found to have it be pts? Its not the fault of a cat and if more people and vets were to learn more about FIV, then maybe it could be managed better and somewhere along the line be eradicated. I dont think its a good opinion for a vet to have that just says pts every cat with FIV.
CC and myself were told about FIV seems to be in certain area's also! ;)
I do have a link that shows the high risk areas for England, will post it if I find it :)
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CC and myself were told about FIV seems to be in certain area's also! ;)
I do have a link that shows the high risk areas for England, will post it if I find it :)
Please don't do that, CC. There are thugs out there who use such information as a justification to shoot stray cats on sight. :tired: We picked up a stray which had been shot with an air gun after the local paper published an FIV story in his area. :(
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I cant find it anyway, but its on here somewhere :shify:
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Well we don't wish to add to the hits for it then, do we? :shy: Not everyone who reads purrs does so for the same reasons we do. :( We know that there are idiots out there sniggering at us and who would wish our puss cats harm. >:( For an FIV stray, a bored thug with an airgun and an FIV regional map would be just the icing on his cake. :doh:
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Rescues, vets and "us" know which area are pockets of FIV.. so its probably not a good idea to publish them.. Also why scare people, we want their co operation to help.
Mark mentioned about no policies on strays, ferals etc. The latest News and View has a good article and all branches now have an Operational book where vets and welfare is covered. its guidelines to follow and gives advice. we have rarely had to consult it though which is a good thing..as we seem to get similar stories and situations and all are dealt with on the same basis..
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But we MUST believe that FIV is not a desirable thing to have roaming out there in the general cat population. >:(
It's most definitely a horrible illness for a cat to endure that doesn't have someone caring for it and monitoring it. But it's an illness that exists, and can be controlled if the cat is lucky enough to be given a chance, so surely the policy should encompass a certain time frame in every rescue?
If only.. IF ONLY everyone would just :censored: neuter their cats BEFORE they go out and we wouldn't have to go through this, would we? :tired: :'(
Agree wholeheartedly. Must be very frustrating being on the "front line", Julie. :hug:
Have attached a picture of Thomas, my friends cat. He was posted about on here two Christmases ago. He's FIV positive and was a stray at a Sheffield Veterinary Practice - if my friend hadn't taken him the vet would have had no option but to PTS as noone was available to care for him. This is what my friend said recently when I asked how he was doing: We LOVE Thomas the Christmas cat - he makes us so happy!
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FIV is a much misunderstood condition often met with fear and panic. For anyone not familiar with it or wanting more information the Glasgow University Vet School has produced a good overview:
http://www.gla.ac.uk/faculties/vet/cad/informationforowners/felineimmunodeficiencyvirusfiv/
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Tosker's vet added the Coronovirus test himself, as he felt even more strongly about halting the spread of FIP
and having lost a kitten to it I understand very much how wonderful it would be if it could be wiped off the face of the earth
Yes but then what? A large % of cats show positive for coronavirus and only a few go on the get FIP?
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Thanks for that link Moira , will add it to our links section ;D
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As Sharon says we do have guidance in the branch manual that we are all supposed to be operating under. That was put together to try and eliminate all the variations in branches as some "do their own thing" as it were, especially if they have been going a while. As far as I can remember the advice is that we should try and rehome FIV + wherever possible and only pts on vets advice if they are sick and unlikely to recover. It is different with ferals that are FIV+ I think as it is more of a problem. I have the manual at home so will check what it says and post it here. We never PTS FIV+ unless under vets advice and fortunately our vets are quite up to date on things so we don't have any issues with them. We are lucky to also have a specialist FIV fosterer who has 3 FIV cats of her own.
We are thrilled today because we have just rehomed an FIV boy who has been with us since November 2008. He went to his new home yesterday and is apparently already making himself right at home. I will post on the Rescue and Rehoming section later so you can see how gorgeous he is. ;D
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Tan im glad asbo is being helped :hug: (i hope he lets you!)
Are there any other rescues your way who will rehome him? Hes done well to avoid the road so far but may not remain lucky?
If he doesnt have a proper home/territory then he may continue fighting as he will still want what others have got.
Julie i dont think people were condoning the disease but vets with the opinion of pts positive cats to clear the population are wrong, a neutered well fed positive cat is v.unlikely to continue spreading it and in many cases would be kept in anyway.
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Just to clarify Adel (Leeds) policy on FIV...
All long term male strays and females from high FIV population areas are tested at the vets. If they're FIV we re-home them as indoor cats although there have been instances where people have ended up keeping strays they've found as outdoor cats, but we check that there's a low cat popluation in the area and the temperament of the cat.
If they are truely feral we do PTS rather than neuter and return to stop the spread of the disease in the feral colonies.
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We are currently trying the catnip / food in basket trick to hopefully get him in to the vets asap.
My neighbour where he is sleeping every night thinks ge isn't "feral" but a very scared and she has managed to stroke him but he is very "on guard". She thinks he has had a home and has been lost or not taken when owners have moved. Poor lad :(
She def thinks he is rehomable and quite a softie but so scared at the mo.
Will let ya know how we get on catching him.
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Just wanted to Thank very much the wonderful Canterbury CP for a wonderful offer for Asbo if nothing can be found down here for him. :hug: :hug: :thanks:
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I hope he lets you catch him sounds like it could be the start of something good
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I hope so hun :)
It seems he was caught in a catnip frenzsy last night with his tum in the air ;D
i will try and get a pic
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Well we can find him a good home if he decides to comply with the hoomans. :wish: Our Sharon sits in her office with a Sorting Hat on just like a Harry Potter film. :evillaugh: She waits for the phone to ring and if the applicant passes all the fierce and deadly tests, she decides which cat they are allowed to be enslaved to. :agree:
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:hug: :thanks: :hug:
This must be Our Sharon then ;) :hug: :evillaugh:
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Yep, something along those lines. :evillaugh:
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How it going with Asbo?
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Not very good and it's got worse now :(
Sadly my neighbour 3 houses away where he sleeps at night still hasn't managed to get him in my large basket she has to catch him yet. The prob is she works everyday and he mainly comes in when she has gone to bed and before she gets up so she hasn't much chances to catch him in the basket to shut him in. I really hoped we could catch him the "nice" way and not the trap way but it taking it's time and not working :( She is the only one he will go anywhere near. i have been setting up a "feeding station" outside in an allyway while i am waiting for a trap to come but it's not going to be easy as there are at least 8 cats (3 from next door) in my close (about 8 houses) who are allowed out all the time so wil have arrange them all to be kept in at certain times so they don't get caught in the trap.
Prob is now one of the little kittens from nextdoor who comes into the garden (thankfully garf & Marl are not bothered by her) is now 8 months old and still not spayed >:( :( She doesn't get on with her mother (now spayed) and her brother (not neautered) so is alot in my garden. She jumps from the 8ft shed roof and gets out by a small hole in the fence as she is still quite small. I used to play alot in the garden with Garf & Marl but she comes in everytime now go out there so it's stopped the garden play :(
The worse bit is this am i came down to find Asbo in my garden trying to mate with her :( So it won't be long before she is pregnant if not already. I have told next door many times she should be spayed kept in till it's done but time goes on and they don't seems to be getting her done. I think it's cause they can't afford it and also the neutering for the brother.
They did the same with the mother ie she has had two litters and the 1st was when she was only 6 mths old :(
So now with her in the garden there is a reason again for Asbo to come in and fight with Garf & Marl :( Since i had been leaving food out for Asbo in the allyway he has stopped coming in the garden so much but now with the little litten coming in so is he again.
Need to stop her getting in the garden so need more netting around the shed, need to get Asbo caught and neutered and also next door's Girl and boy done. Got any advice good peeps of Purrs?
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would they neuter if you could get them a voucher?
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I think so. They are a young couple and both do love their cats but seem to have no understanding of responsiblity. :(
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Tan, are they on benefits? Or low income? If so CP will do vouchers for them. But they have to request help themselves. ;)
My personal rule of thumb for sneaky-sneaky catchy cat methods is two weeks. If they ain't gonna do it the easy way in two weeks, it ain't gonna happen, :innocent: Trap time! ;) As I said previously, we need a bit of notice pet if you need Canterbury's help. If you have problems getting hold of a trap from your local branch we will figure out a plan. We're good at plans. :naughty: But don't delay getting a trap in... plan 1 didn't work so it's plan 2 time. :tired:
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Tan I'd get the cat trapped asap otherwise you could have a worse problem on your hands ;)
Hope you can get the neighbours to see sense too :hug:
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Ok i will ring local cp to see if a trap is anywhere near free yet.
Nope i don't think they are on benefits. They are a nice couple, she works from home and he is out everyday at work. I don't know what more i can say to them without being a further "poking nose" in neighbour. I have never come across a neighbour before that hasn't had their animals done! What's so stupid is if it's cause of money then surely letting the little girl become pregnant will cost more with more kittens again.
They have had 6 kittens now by the mum and they found it hard to rehome them so kept 2 out of the 1st lot (this is the little girl who comes into my garden and her brother who got killed on the road 2 months ago) The 2nd litter the mum had 2 kittens but one had to be put to sleep as the mum bit the tail off at the stub while giving birth biting the cord. They wewre on hol at the time with her brother looking after the cats. He came over to me and i said get the kitten down to the vets straight way as it was screaming :'( :'( I went down with him and they had to put her to sleep. Awful :( Porr little thing i will never forget it. :'( The one kitten that was ok is the little brother who was allowed out early as theit cat flap wasn't secure enough. So they have three cats next door at the mo!
The mum's sister was killed on the road as well. She had been spayed just before.
Do you think it's best to have the trap in the neighbours house for Asbo? She said he has been sleeping the the basket which she is trying to catch him in so maybe the trap instead and one day when he has been used to it set it? I have given her loads of catnip as he loves that but still no luck with the basket!
Crap at this aint I!! :-: lol
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If Asbo is going into the house next door but she can't get hold of him then you could put the trap in there and put food in the trap - without setting it to him used to going in there, this is also sometimes done outside. I've only ever trapped outside though. Once you've done it once Tan it get easier, the first time I did it I felt awful doing it but it will be worth it :hug:
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Yes it's hard when ya a right softie! lol that's what is happening with my neighbour who is trying to catch Asbo. So really there's two soppy cat lovers trying to catch a stong scarey hissing cat. Poor lad he is only like that cause he is scared :(
Mind you he is not so scared as i caught him around Maise (the little unspayed girl) yesterday outside the front and he didn't run off when i tried to cut off his route to Maise. men and their hormaones hey!! lol
The neighbours with the three cats (two unspayed Maise & Milo) are right next door to me but the lady who is helping me catch Asbo is the other end of the terrace block. We are a small "close with about 8 terraced houses in an L shape. We have a big cat population really just between our close, my two lads who are indoor/ cat proofed (well for my cats it is!! lol) garden (well not so much in garden lately :( ) , then the 3 next door, one cat that lives with the lady who is helping me catch Asbo. Her Sam is old and is tolerating Asbo coming in to sleep, then we have another two other neighbours with two cats each (all been done :) )
There used to be only Sam cat and my two in the area but we have had alot of changes past year with new neighbours with young cats. I know at least 3 have been killed on the road that runs at the back in year so far :(
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the neighbours' two unneutered cats are going to mate any time soon anyway
would this thought encourage them at all to do something about it?
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God knows hun i really don't understand them not getting them done. They just seem to leave it???
I have just spoken to local CP and trap will be ready at weekend so going to collect it :)
Think we will set it up in neighbours house instead of the basket so one night hopefully we can then set it and get him down to the vets.
I am worried about their little Maise though caus eshe is small and scared of Asbo who is follwoing her alot :(
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maisy and milo will mate if not neutered.
no wonder kids today have no idea of right and wrong when their parents dont, these people only love cats cos they think they dont have to do anything to look after them.
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A basket wouldn't work, she would defo need a trap- easier for the vets to handle in a crush cage aswell :)
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God knows hun i really don't understand them not getting them done. They just seem to leave it???
I have just spoken to local CP and trap will be ready at weekend so going to collect it :)
Think we will set it up in neighbours house instead of the basket so one night hopefully we can then set it and get him down to the vets.
I am worried about their little Maise though caus eshe is small and scared of Asbo who is follwoing her alot :(
Good that you'll soon be getting the trap.
We have allotments behind us and farms nearby and there were some young feral cats I suspect came from there. I trapped all bar one and a stray tom was chasing this poor little female out of the garden. I did manage to get her eventually and then the tom but it was a nightmare because of that :( so can imagine the scenario.
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I think they think cause Milo is younger (from 2nd litter) that they have time but Asbo has certainly got to Maisey i am sure already :(
She sits in my garden waiting for me to go out and play and if i do with my lads she will take over the play.
Asbo 1st appeared when The mum (tia) went missing at a very early age for a month and came back pregnant and Asbo appeared!
Now he is the bully in the close terorising and fighting all the cats. :(
He is a wonderful looking Tabby and the neighbour trying to catch him thinkis he has been abandened from home rather than been feral all his life and would settle in well in a home :).
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WE need some pics of Asbo......love that name LOL........and hope he is trapped soon.
I bet after he is neautered he will be a big softy ;D
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Tan, hun, I will PM you my phone number. Have you thought about whether you are going to try to keep Asbo in the neighbourhood or do you want us to take him? If you want to take us up on the offer, perhaps it would be easiest to do the whole thing in one go - it's notoriously hard to catch a wily tom cat a second time. They wise up about traps really fast.... unless they happen to be Garfields who think being trapped over and over is a small price to pay for extra nibbles. :innocent:
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lol Are all Garefeild's piggies then! My Garf is a right dreamies addict!!
To be honest hun, my biggest worry is that Asbo is fighting with my Garfield almost every night and if he has any FIV or something, i am scared for my lads. I am also worried about Asbo and that he deseveres a good home. I have stopped himn getting into our house with the Microchip cat flap so at least my lads are now safe in the house. So unless when Asbo is done and he calms down enough to live in the area without coming into my lads Garden and fighing and also for his own sake i think it best for him to try and be homed. I think if he calmed down he could be ok here but is it best for him to leave him living rough esp with the road at the back?
Yes i want my lads to be safe and happy again in their garden which is their only outside space but also would feel so awful if Asbo got killed on the road and i didn't try help him have a safe place of his own or somewhere safe.
When i spaoke to Brenda at CP this am she said that the basket def won't work now as my neighbour tried to get him and he was too quick so he won't go in there any more so only trap now will work hopefully.
What do you think hun? It's an awful long way to come down here. I so don't want to put any more work your way :(
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I dont think Asbo will last long with that road to be honest......he has got away with it until now probably because he is hunting out mates on your side of the road and I hate to think of lovely cats continuing to sleep rough and hunt for foods if they could have a home of their own.
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Our CP trap, neuter, release those cats who are going to be cared for and are in a safe area, hence why most of those here were released back and are all still here. But if a fair few have lost lives in your area then I think Asbo would be better in, as you say Tan.. a safe place of his own. Good luck with this :hug:
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3 of us are def preapred to feed him if he is released back here but will he stop fighting and coming into Garf and Marl's Garden. I wouldn't hesitate to have him my self if it was a safer area where the cats are safe to go out well at least safer than here away from a bad road. and if my cats got on ok with him but sadly they don't :(
I have just managed to have 10 mins run around and play time like the opld days in the garden with Garf & Marl until madam Maise came and took over the play! :innocent: She is a cheeky imp but lovely :shify: :Luv:
She looks like her dad who is Asbo .... and Tia the mum is pure black as well as Milo is Pure Black. Maise doesn't get on with Tia at all now so i think thats the main reason she keeps coming into the garden and that i have great cat toys to play with!! lol
Here is Maise, she's about 7 months old and prob pregnant by now >:( :(.
Marl and Garf have just started to try and play with her but all she is interested in is the Da mousey!!!
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lol bottom pic is Marl getting ready to chase her!! but chickened out!
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Aww, she's lovely bless her :Luv: you're right though she could be pregnant now the little one in our garden was and she was younger than 7mths :(
oh! Marl's there and he's got his little paw in the air while he ponders :evillaugh: :Luv2:
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She is lovely and her dad must be too ;D
I love Marl pondering :rofl:
Probs is, that you dont want him in your garden and guess others dont either so leaves him nowhere to go , except across the road to the field. Where does he go when its cold, snowy and raining?
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Luckily Asbo goes in the op end neighbours house at night so has warmth and food in there. Kathy my neighbour who is helping him and helping me trying to catch Asbo has an older cat called Sam and Sam is tollerating Asbo sleeping in the house :) He's to past it to Bover!! says Kathy!! :rofl:
I will try and get some pics of Asbo but he's a fast mover! Hopefully the pics won't be of a personal "moment" with Masie in my garden!
Got any iodeas on how to kindly approch nice couple next door to say agian - please get Maise and Milo done!! Not sure how old Milo is as i can't remeber when he was born but Tia got preg almost straight away again after having her 1st litter :( How long is a cat pregnacy? lol i should know shouldn't !! :shy: :shify:
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Hi Tan, i'm no cat expert by any means, but i believe a cat is pregnant for nine weeks and can come into season again when she's finished feeding the kittens? I hope you manage to catch Asbo and talk your neighbours into getting their cats 'done' before anymore babies appear! :hug:
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Just to say the gestation period is usually 9 weeks but can be a few days shorter. They can come into season again within days of giving birth. We've had females calling again when the kittens are less than 2 weeks old. :(
I'd give it to her straight... tell her she'll be knee deep by next Christmas and the cat food bill is going to be horrendous. :doh:
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and the vet bill!
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So Milo must be about 10 weeks younger than Maise then as he was Tia's 2nd litter after Maise was born. So he must be about 4 - 5 months old.
Got sdome pics of Tia the mum (1st two) and Milo the little lad (last two) Def mummy's boy and daddys girl!!
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mmm my Tilly was calling at 5.5 months
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while Tiffany was still spending her nights in my neighbour's porch, and her days in my enclosure, he would not pay for her to be spayed, as he said she wouldn't get pregnant - I on the other hand had visions of every unneutered tom in the area climbing into the enclosure
so a friend who works in rescue got me a CP voucher to pass to him, and I added a bit of cash to make up the full amount - told him voucher came from HQ and cash from local branch - and he then had her done - meanwhile he was earning more than me - but annoying though it was it was all in Tiffany's best interests
so is it possible that CP would help out with vouchers? even if you had to surreptitiously have to pay for it?
it would be difficult for the neighbours to ignore free spaying/neutering, surely?
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The problem is Trigger it's the cat's owner who has to apply for the vouchers. Their name and address of the owner has to be logged on the voucher or it's not valid. Not sure how you come by yours but that's not standard CP procedure. We don't issue vouchers to third parties. :shy:
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Hi Hunnies
Well i have a horrible looking trap and will be setting it up in my garden for next two nights and hopefully catch him.
Had a horrible fight this am with both Garf & Marl with Asbo and also little Maise who is in my garden alot now (see pics)
Marl & Garf don't mind her but this am Asbo came in as Maise was here and all hell broke loose :(
I have spoken to next door this am and have asked her to keep Maise in for next two early mornings incase she ends up in the trap and i will keep my two in the house.
They are good peeps next door and little Milo has already been done ;D and they were saving the money to get Maise done. Bmth CP said they would help get Maise done so she is rining them to get her in asap. Wonderful CP :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
I am scared out of me head with trying to catch Asbo in the trap. I know it's not going to be nice and i hope i can do it. :scared: :scared:
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Tan nothing to be scared of,just make sure you have an old blanket to cover trap with as soon as you catch him. :hug:
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He looks a bit small to be a Nemesis, Tan. :sneaky: :evillaugh: You can do it! :hug: :hug:
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It's seeing him in dispair and scared :( But it has to be done :scared: :scared:
I have a blanket ready but it's one of stupid light fleeces ones. Gonna have to look for something heavier so it stays on the trap. Do you think he would go for my hands when i go to lift it? I know he's not visious but he will be very scared. :(
Lol Jules That's his daughter little (unspayed ) 7 month old Maise in the pics. She is a darlin :Luv: :Luv:
I hope Brednda can help next door to get her in tomorrow or Friday to have her spayed. I really think she is already pregnant. :(
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maybe i should chuck some yeoww catnip in to drug him up a bit in the trap! :shocked:
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where is he going once you catch him Tan?
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maybe i should chuck some yeoww catnip in to drug him up a bit in the trap! :shocked:
Catnip always stimulates mine, not calms them down. :doh: Perhaps a spray of Feliway if you have it..? but he'll be more impressed with a Kentucky crispy strip. :evillaugh: As Teresa says, cover over with a nice thick blankie and he'll quieten down in no time. ;)
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Re going for your hands Tan, I presume trap has carry handle so hands will be ok, I have had a feral claw my legs through trap though so take care; actually you can trap Asbo as a test and if you pass we`ll find a place for you at Paws Inn and set you to work :rofl: :hug:
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You'll be fine Tan, the first feral I trapped I was a bit tearful - well maybe everytime :evillaugh: but you just have to think you're doing if for their good and I have to say no claws have come out for all those I've trapped - but I believe some do. The only thing initially is they get a bit stressed but as soon as the blanket goes over they're usually very quiet, mine have always been as good as gold :hug:
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Good luck, try not to feel bad as you are turning his life around for the better :hug:
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Tan, when i caught Charlie's (GB's) dad, it was very scary cos he was so scared and wasn't very happy in the trap. None of them are and it IS upsetting, but has to be done! I was worried i'd get ripped to shreds! :scared: but i didin't. We hadn't got a blanket in the factory (!) so i put him in my mates car boot (the vets was only 1/4 mile up the road) and he settled down.
Best of luck-the hardest part is getting the trap set JUST right! :hug:
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where is he going once you catch him Tan?
Bmth CP is going to assess him and hopefully he can have a loving home of his own :wish:
I feel exactly the same as you Shirl. :scared: I hate seeing any cats unhappy or scared cause i am a huge bloomin softie! It's why i could never do rescue athough it's what i have wanted to do since a littun! When i was about 3 i remember saying to my mum that i am going to have a big farm land and rescue all the unwanted animals with a 24/7 vet living in! lol One day hey !
Prob is i am way too soft to do it. To face seeing all the cruelty :( :( When i was a member of Animal aid i used to watch bad video's in meetings about vivisection etc and i will never get those pics out of my head. I had to stop going cause i ended up depressed all the time. It's why i have so so much respect and love for all the peeps in rescue. They have so much courage :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
They are going to test Asbo 1st to check for FIV etc but have been told if he has it, he won't be coming out of the vets :'( If he test positive, i don't know what to do. :(
Best of luck-the hardest part is getting the trap set JUST right!
:scared: Is there a certain way to set it then?
I have it ready to set, Tuna ready to put in it. It's in my porch out the back so if it rains it is under cover. Asbo sprays in there every day (poohey !) so i know he comes in regulary still. He won't come in if anyone is about so i thought about getting up very early and setting it about 5am so if he comes after he is only in the trap till 8.30am when we can get him to the vets about 15mins journey.
Have a blanket ready half over it so it's partly covered. is that best or best not to put blanket over half yet? It's right infront of my patio door so my cats although will be locked in the house can see the trap.
Re going for your hands Tan, I presume trap has carry handle so hands will be ok, I have had a feral claw my legs through trap though so take care; actually you can trap Asbo as a test and if you pass we`ll find a place for you at Paws Inn and set you to work
lol T i so hope i can do this but at the mo i think i will need about 3 tenas on just incase the stress gets to me too much!! Lol How do you lot do this all the time!
If i don't do this 1st time, then i have been told he will be very hard to catch :(
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lol ... The orginal plan was to catch Asbo in the basket in Kathys house where he is sleeping but he is disapearing before she gets up so the 2nd plan was for me to set up a feeding area down the alley way which i have been doing for last 2 weeks with the waste my lads don't eat (and that's quiet a bit! :innocent: fussy monkeys!) and we have been seeing cats we didn't know lived round here!! :innocent: all coming for a free feed! I bet Asbo hasn't had a look in for the food! This am i came downstairs to find a new cat in the garden who had a collar and tag on and older, he was in a bit of a pickle as he got in but couldn't get out cause of the fencing. So i had to open the back gate for him. They norammly learn after the 1st time and never come back in. :evillaugh:
Anyhoo now we have more cats appearing cause of the feeding station!! :innocent: :rofl: :Crazy: Luckily they are all collard & Tagged.
It's why i am setting the trap up in my garden now and not the allyway as it won't be Asbo caught in the trap!! :Crazy: :-:
What a palarva hey!!
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The last trap i borrowed was very sensitive and could be set off without catching anything! You have to make sure the food is BEHIND the treddle thing (if you've got one like that!) so Asbo has to tread on it to get at the food, but i'm sure you've been told that!
I've caught many kittens (Charlie's mommy's) over the years and that was awful to see these tiny things going mental in the trap-i spent many a morning crying at my desk! You just have to tell yourself it's for their own good, they've at least got a chance of being rehomed!
Charlie himself has been in them a few times when i was trying to catch his mom for spaying-he's a bit dim lol! :Luv2:
I had a volunteering job at a local cattery last year-think i went 4 times, couldn't stand to see them in the cages! :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
Just tell yourself it's just a few hours of him being unhappy to improve his life! :hug:
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Tan the moment you leave him at their vets you lose control over him, if he tests positive they wont let him back out :(
If theres a back up plan for him if positive (julie?) then he needs to be tested first privately, if hes neg then you can continue with your CP plan if not then hes safe.
Im happy to help with a private test
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The only problems I've had with the trap is if the lever thingy is not set right at the edge and then it doesn't go off or if the cat's are wise to it and don't go on the step which happened with one cat who just really stuck his neck out :sneaky: and then I got the sort (because the others were all out) which I had to pull which worked a treat with that cat - so if it's the step one make sure the food is far edge so they have to tread on the step.
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Tan the moment you leave him at their vets you lose control over him, if he tests positive they wont let him back out :(
If theres a back up plan for him if positive (julie?) then he needs to be tested first privately, if hes neg then you can continue with your CP plan if not then hes safe.
Im happy to help with a private test
Well... for an FIV feral, the only hope I could come up with would be Celia Hammond. As we know she doesn't 'believe' in FIV and has a huge estate she lets the ferals roam free on. :shy: It's next impossible getting her to take one though as I've tried. :tired: For an FIV domestic, and if the local branch doesn't 'do' FIVs, I'd tap Bredhurst AC. The issue only really comes if he fails to come round in a pen as Bredhurst won't transfer him outside of the charity if he's FIV... but didn't we start the thread with all this? :shify:
At any rate, if the local CP is up to speed, they should KNOW where their local FIV hotspots are. :sneaky:
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Any luck Tan?
My mommy cat just wouldn't go in the trap (when i was trying to catch her when i was being made redundant) In the end, i borrowed a large cat carrier (what they go in on planes, apparantly!) tied some cable from the front door and thread it through to the back and put the food right at the back. Did this for a few days till she eventually went right in (instead of having one leg sticking out, lol) and Mike (ex boss, who was standing behind as she was not quite so nervous with him!) yanked the cable and shut the door! Think it was less scary than the trap!
Just an idea if you've only got the trap for a couple of nights (assuming you can find one of these carriers!) :hug:
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:thanks: :hug:
It was a no show last night or rather early this am :( No strong tom cat smell this am too so he hasn't been in. He could be he was scared off for a bit with the fight in the am?
Have another go tonight. :wish:
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you'll get him Tan :hug: sometimes I've had to leave the trap for a day or 2 unset to get them used to it.
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Any chance of a piccie of the trap? With some types it's possible to rig them up 'unset'. You could leave it out all the time then without fear of catching the wrong cat so Asbo gets used to seeing it. ;)
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More than likely he knows his bit of skirt Maisie isnt there and at the moment his urge to mate is greater than his hunger.
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Well some good news :) Maise has been spayed today and wasn't pregnant ;D ;D
Had a bit of a shocker earlier as i saw Asbo earlier over the road at the front and he had a collar on :-: Oh nooo i had asked about in my neighbourhood if anyone owns him and noone claimed him so thought he must be owned by someone further away then. I have just been out knocking on doors again and still noone owns him but almost all the houses that have cats in the are having trouble with Asbo coming in and sparying and fighting.
Kathy the neigbour where Asbo sleeps at night said he was in when she got in from work and she said it wasn't a proper collar but an elastic band with a note on it so someone has managed to get hold of him and out it on but who!!!
So we are still a go for tongight with the trap.
How they hell did someone get that close to him cause he won't go anywhere near me. Do i smell or something! :rofl:
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Great news about Maisie!!!! :Luv2: But who would put an elastic band round a cat's neck????? :shocked: What did the note say???? Hope you have some luck tonight! :hug:
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:censored: idiot!!! I hope to goodness you catch him soon before he snags it and hangs himself! :(
The great side is you know he's not a feral. ;)
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Just been round a bit further into the estate and still can't find the one who put the what should be a paper collar on him. They must know something about cats to do that but an elastic band!!! :Crazy: Bloomin cold out there lol and me spag bowl burnt a bit !! Oooops! :evillaugh:
What gets me is this person got close to him to put the elastic band on with note - maybe they can get him in a basket!!! I can't get anywhere near him to get it off or read it. Kathy said she is going to try and get it off next time she sees him as she can stroke him but won't pick him up to put in basket for fear of being attacked. The only option for me is the trap as i cant get close. Lol shall i go out and try the Da bird toys in the street see if he comes :rofl:
I will set trap again toinight. Yeap it's one with the plate to step on.
Just found another neighbour about 15 houses away with two 5 month old boys not Nuetuered and she is a single mum on benifits so have advised her to get them both done asap and to call CP or take to PDSA if she wants to keep her cats homely boys and not tom's disapearing!
lol now i am the mad cat woman of the neighbourhood. :shify:
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Keep up the good work tan, your estate will soon be neutered ;D
Tan the moment you leave him at their vets you lose control over him, if he tests positive they wont let him back out :(
If theres a back up plan for him if positive (julie?) then he needs to be tested first privately, if hes neg then you can continue with your CP plan if not then hes safe.
Im happy to help with a private test
Well... for an FIV feral, the only hope I could come up with would be Celia Hammond. As we know she doesn't 'believe' in FIV and has a huge estate she lets the ferals roam free on. :shy: It's next impossible getting her to take one though as I've tried. :tired: For an FIV domestic, and if the local branch doesn't 'do' FIVs, I'd tap Bredhurst AC. The issue only really comes if he fails to come round in a pen as Bredhurst won't transfer him outside of the charity if he's FIV... but didn't we start the thread with all this? :shify:
At any rate, if the local CP is up to speed, they should KNOW where their local FIV hotspots are. :sneaky:
Without going back i thought i had read your branch helping with him :-: :-[
If hes feral its difficult but its most likely he needs a few weeks for his hormones to settle and a big wimpy lad will emerge
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Lol i hope i can just imagine the two little lads with the single mum going off on mating trips and taking over where Asbo hopefully will have left! I hope she gets them done.
While i was asking about, i have also just heard about Pudding :( Pudding was the gorgeous Brit Blue ped stray i was trying to catch many years ago and that's when i 1st joined Catchat to get advice. One day while i was trying the trap with him, he never came round again and i never knew what happened to him. One of the ladies i have just spoke to said she found a lovely old cat Blue and def a ped dead on her front lawn and burried him in her garden. It was def Puddin :( So that's what happened to him :'(
This was Pudding RIP
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Without going back i thought i had read your branch helping with him
MM we were lined up and still prepared to help if needed, but I had a chat with Tan on the phone and it appears she wasn't talking to the correct member of the team at her local CP when she first asked for help. Tan had been talking to the Voucher lady - they are fantastic at issuing vouchers but don't actually know what help could be offered with rehoming efforts, or what the current state of the waiting list is like. ;) Tan then contacted the Welfare officer at her local branch and it appears they CAN help with socialising and rehoming Asbo.... she that is basically only what we could have done but a lot nearer to home. Tan does live a considerable distance from us so if things can be done locally, it's much better for Asbo. :)
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:wow: Tan you really are squeezing all your good deeds for the year into one week! So pleased to hear Maisie is spayed and it's nice to know someone else cares about Asbo, but a worry that a rubber band has been used. :scared:
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They are going to test Asbo 1st to check for FIV etc but have been told if he has it, he won't be coming out of the vets :'( If he test positive, i don't know what to do. :(
Tan
Could I ask - is it now agreed with the local CP that if he tests positive they will not PTS but will assess him for an indoor home?
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Aw bless Pudding, what a lovely looking guy..... RIP sweetie xxx
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:Luv: Pudding was gorgeous, RIP xx
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Without going back i thought i had read your branch helping with him
MM we were lined up and still prepared to help if needed, but I had a chat with Tan on the phone and it appears she wasn't talking to the correct member of the team at her local CP when she first asked for help. Tan had been talking to the Voucher lady - they are fantastic at issuing vouchers but don't actually know what help could be offered with rehoming efforts, or what the current state of the waiting list is like. ;) Tan then contacted the Welfare officer at her local branch and it appears they CAN help with socialising and rehoming Asbo.... she that is basically only what we could have done but a lot nearer to home. Tan does live a considerable distance from us so if things can be done locally, it's much better for Asbo. :)
Of course its best he doesnt have to travel if its just socialising he needs, i was thinking worse outcome if another branch was standing forward it might just sway their decision if he does produce a positive test.
If they wont then a private first would be the only way to safe guard his future :(
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I must confess I thought Tan lived in London when we first offered our help. She actually lives much further away and the journey here would take at least 4 hours I think and that's double what I initially thought. I'm sure we could rig something if it was life or death.... but I suspect we can sort this out via the network much nearer to where Tan lives. :)
Well apart from other branches inbetween, Bredhurst AC are about an hour nearer to Tan than we are. They have excellent FIV facilities and a good track record for rehoming FIVs. ;) Purrs is well known in puddy circles now and I told Tan she needs to cash in on that and drop a few names and strings will be pulled. :sneaky: We will certainly speak up for Asbo and help find an FIV space near by once we know what we're up against and Sharon will be on the blower to her puddy Mafia no doubt. I could mention names of groups we have strong links to and have swapped cats and spaces with before but it would be unfair to list them publicly. :doh:
We have been saying for yonks that CP needs to standardise FIV policies and we're seeing some evidence of an attempt at achieving that from the new(ish!) head vet. The trouble comes from CP being an umbrella organisation of self-contained groups and some branches being VERY old, set in their ways and isolated from each other and HQ having no real power to compell a branch to do anything. :tired:
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They are going to test Asbo 1st to check for FIV etc but have been told if he has it, he won't be coming out of the vets :'( If he test positive, i don't know what to do. :(
Tan
Could I ask - is it now agreed with the local CP that if he tests positive they will not PTS but will assess him for an indoor home?
They have said he won't come out of the vets if he test's positive. So it would be i think down to us if we can get him somewhere.
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Oh God :scared:
Are the vets aware of this plan Tan, of if he is poss he will be done either way, and coming back out?
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No luck last night :( The trap was set with lovely stinkie sardines at 5am and my boys in safe in the house but no trap was set off and no Asbo in the trap :(
Next try will be Monday early am now when the ets are open again. I will speak to Kathy later when she gets back from work to see if she managed to get the elastic band off him. I still don't know who put it on him and dying to find out. One cause i want to tell them that is very dangerous to do and best to use a paper collar and also to find out if they can handle him to nicely pop him in a basket!
I am thinking he showed no sign of the band hurting or annoying him so would he be used to wearing a collar at some point in his life!!
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They are going to test Asbo 1st to check for FIV etc but have been told if he has it, he won't be coming out of the vets :'( If he test positive, i don't know what to do. :(
Tan
Could I ask - is it now agreed with the local CP that if he tests positive they will not PTS but will assess him for an indoor home?
They have said he won't come out of the vets if he test's positive. So it would be i think down to us if we can get him somewhere.
You need that in writing before leaving him there or he becomes theres to do as they wish with :(
Julie its good to hear of some steps in the right direction to having some proper 'rules' for fiv cats, surely HQ have some say over what branches must/must not do, they imposed vaccination/neutering/chipping procedures didnt they?
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Oh God :scared:
Are the vets aware of this plan Tan, of if he is poss he will be done either way, and coming back out?
I have asked them to let me know after any test results before doing anything drastic.
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Julie its good to hear of some steps in the right direction to having some proper 'rules' for fiv cats, surely HQ have some say over what branches must/must not do, they imposed vaccination/neutering/chipping procedures didnt they?
They issue guidelines, MM, only guidelines. It's by no means a standard service and a few older groups don't microchip even now. :shy: The first tier management of CP are known as Regional Development Managers and they are the ones who do day to day monitoring of branches and are the links to HQ. They can encourage, counsel, advise branches to follow guidelines but nothing more. Serious breaches of guidelines can result in a branch being put 'on hold' or even have CP associations cut permanently (funding and back up withdrawn) but that also means all CP work in the area stops and all CP registered cats have to be transfered out to other branches or centres. For some wealthy groups with good fundraising teams they even may not care about CP 'dumping' them and start up independently. We know of one independent group in Ashford that started off as CP. :tired: So RDMs really only put groups on hold when it's deadly serious. :innocent:
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Tan my advice would be to register him in your name when you take him to the vets that way if does prove + then he can be got a place without the loss of this dear boy!
I am speaking from experience with this type of "Closed" CP and thats how they ended up paying for a Glasgow blood sample for our dear BLur they thought they would be dealing with my boy - in our case it wouldn'thave mattered as we already had Sailor with FIV but he was negative and vost a lot more than a neutering voucher to be sorted thanks to his boy bits and hernia not being in the right places!
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Digressing abit.. I think its from May this yr every cat and kitten old enough to be chipped HAS TO BE by new CP Vet Standards. And if a branch does not then i am sure that they will be ticked off and grants recuded. or even more.. As their is little point of having a standard if only half follow it.
There is i think many more avenues for FIV cats to go to then just PTS.. But its depending on the efforts the branch has to find them. Some sadly just use FIV as an excuse to not rehome a diffiuclt cat.. Sad to say..
However.................. we are not the only charity out their and i know of at least 4 rescues in the Kent area that are independant rescues that never rehome FIVS and have a PTS policy.. But you would not necessarily know about this when you sign a cat over to them.
There was talk a few yrs back of catchat having a form of recognising what groups where FIV friendly or not.. But it got too political..
Good luck with Asbo
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Thought CP's position on FIV and FeLV were also part of the Veterinary standards. However it is how the HQ implements them and engages the branches and as already mentioned some branches follow those standards and others don't!!. :Crazy:
Re Asbo.
They have said he won't come out of the vets if he test's positive.
Tan
If that was the branch's words, I would take that to mean that they would instruct the vet to PTS. So am glad you have asked them to let you know but think you have to be very clear to the vets that if Asbo tests positive, he is not to be PTS but you are to be advised straightaway. Otherwise the vet might just follow the CP branch's 'standing instruction' for FIV/FelV+ cats.
Is he going to be tested for FeLV as well?
If Asbo is and in the remote chance he tests positive - there is a sanctuary who takes in FeLV+ cats - he has posted on Catchat looking for companion cat for his last FeLV - we could approach him unless you guys know anywhere else - should the need arise, of course. :-:
Of course you have to catch him first!! :)
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Thought CP's position on FIV and FeLV were also part of the Veterinary standards.
CP vet guidelines state that FIV cats can be rehomed to indoor homes if the cat will adapt to an indoor life. For FeLV cats the guidelines are to euthanise those that are comfirmed positive after repeat testing. Again, although these are guidelines and standards set by HQ they cannot legally enforce branches to adopt them. None of us are paid so they can't sack us. They can't lock us out of our own homes so exclude us that way. The only sanctions available are those I gave earlier. A bit like a political party can't sack a bad politician from his post, it can only 'withdraw the whip'. :innocent: CP HQ leadership, like any other large voluntary organisation, is all about getting volunteers' cooperation. If those volunteers don't wish to impliment the guidelines, all they can do is cut ties. :tired:
Is he going to be tested for FeLV as well?
It's the same blood test for both diseases. Get a clear and he's clear of both. ;)
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Good luck in catching him, but I really would book him in under your name rather than CP with what they have said about the test - the vet might be able to ring you first, but if he is booked in under them, I would imagine they have the final say.
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If that was the branch's words, I would take that to mean that they would instruct the vet to PTS. So am glad you have asked them to let you know but think you have to be very clear to the vets that if Asbo tests positive, he is not to be PTS but you are to be advised straightaway. Otherwise the vet might just follow the CP branch's 'standing instruction' for FIV/FelV+ cats.
This is what happened when Blackie (the feral) was trapped and taken to the vets for neutering- I was told nothing of this and when I called the vets to see how he was doing it was ONLY THEN that I was told if he tested poss, he would be pts! I was not told anything of this and he was already at the vets, I felt like a murderer, and if he was FIV + he would of been pts and there would of been nothing I could of done :(
Same thing happened with Seb but as I already knew what could happen to him, I had to stay at the vets while they phoned cp to authorise that if he was FIV+ I would be taking him home on the account that I paid the vets fees, which I gladly would of to save his life :)
The cp had already authorised pts for Seb if he was FIV, it was written on his card before I got there :(
Someone needs to stay at the vets while this all gets sorted out, the vets need to hear it from the cp that they are willing for you to do this with Asbo, just to be on the safe side :)
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They have said he won't come out of the vets if he test's positive.
Tan
If that was the branch's words, I would take that to mean that they would instruct the vet to PTS. So am glad you have asked them to let you know but think you have to be very clear to the vets that if Asbo tests positive, he is not to be PTS but you are to be advised straightaway. Otherwise the vet might just follow the CP branch's 'standing instruction' for FIV/FelV+ cats.
If hes signed to CP then the vet has to take their word as they would be considered the owner of him.
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Think we are all thinking the same way here that as the CP branch has made clear to you their stance on FIV/FeLV+ - e.g. PTS - then it is a BIG risk for the test to be done in their name and perhaps should be done in your name.
If he is negative that will be great and he can be neutered with the cost to CP (including the blood test ;)) as a TNR.
But if he is positive for FIV or FeLV or both, he will still need to be neutered and a plan to get him to safety. In that case perhaps the CP branch can issue a voucher post neutering or I would be willing to help with the vet costs. I am sure others would too. :)
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:hug: :thanks: i have set it up for Asbo to go in under my account at the vets. They say the test is about £50 then plus the neutering so going to be at least £110.
No luck this am ... again no trap set off with a stray Asbo in it! All food still there so he just hasn't been in the garden. I am going to pop over to see Kathy in a mo to see if he is still sleeping at her house.
Any Sugesstions to place the trap elsewhere?
A bit worrying is that i haven't seen Maise or Milo since Thursday, i so hope they haven't had an another accident on the road. :scared:
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Would Kathy get up to set it at hers? Toms always seem harder to get, guess they lead more of a hectic interupted life!
Glad hes safely booked under you, like Edd im happy to help :hug:
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Hmmm wierd Kathy hasn't seen Asbo since Thurs either. Does this mean now Maise has been done ( hopefully has been kept in since Thurs and not anything bad happened to her) that he has gone elsewhere?! I had hoped kathy would have seen him to get the elastic collar and note off him but she hasn't :(
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I suppose there's an outside chance Asbo has an owner, and it was that owner who put the note on him
it would explain how someone got near enough to him to put it on
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Yes i thought that would be the next thing to do so was going to ask her tonight if she would mind the trap in her house but he hasn't been to hers either.
Dying to find out who put the collar on him as he could be there and those people maybe able to get him in a basket! I also wonder if they have taken him to get him neutered!! ??
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I also wonder if they have taken him to get him neutered!! ??
You never know because if he has had some sort of collar put on him then someone else is looking out for him. When you next see him if he's been released then he may have is ear tipped (if your vets do that) that's what ours do so it's obvious.
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Fingers crossed he has just wandered a bit further for a couple of nights and will come back as he knows he will get food.
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This is what happened with Seb, he started lurking about when Harry was coming of age. He was battered and full of battle scars- he really looked like a stray cat! When I put a collar on him I was shocked to get a call from his "owner" :shocked: I dont understand how anyone could have a cat and not do anything about the state it was in, he was a right mess :( When I phoned them back and left a message about getting him neutered- I never heard back from them, soooo..... I got him done myself :innocent:
I think Seb is happy settled at home now, the last time I seen him was Christmas eve 2008 :)
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Another failed atempt! Will keep trying with the trap. Coo not a good prospective for a trapper am i !! :innocent: :shy: :no:
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Has he not been seen Tan? Don't feel bad about not trapping him-if these cats don't want to go in, they won't!!! I know it's easy to say and how frustrating it is when they don't! :hug: If he's getting food from elsewhere that makes it even harder! My mommy cat would have the odd pigeon that flew into the factory, we'd see the feathers the next day-eeeurgh!!!! and of course, mice and rats-eeeeeeeeeuuuuuuurgh!!!!!
Fingers crossed you'll get a lovely surprise one of these days! :hug:
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I had to return the trap a couple of times with a couple of cats who weren't visiting that often as the traps were needed - but I got 'em eventually :sneaky: and you should too, fingers crossed :hug:
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Saw him this am. Coming out of Kathys so he's back!
Kathy has just been round and had the note with her that was tied to his neck with"Ribbon" not elastic!!! That's even worse!!! Thanks god Kathy has found the note and the Ribbon in her lounge when she got back so it is off him thank god!
Sad thing is this is the note!! exactly as written by whoever wrote it in the neighbourhood! ---
Please Neuter your cat! He has been coming into all our houses when our windows are open and spraying everywhere. It is costing us all a fortune in carpet cleaning! He has been given a warning this time!! NEXT time he goes to the RSPCA for rehoming if he is caught. May we suggest then that you keep him indoors for a while , get him neutered and then let him out but only under supervision. Some neighbours with cat flaps have said he also comes in at night. Wonderful care you are giving him!!
:scared: :scared: no name of who wrote this or where they live so i don't know who has or how the hell they got so close to tie a Ribbon around his neck!! That could of killed him!! :censored: :censored:
It's so important now we catch him soon!! The RSPCA won't i am sure rehome him!!
I have asked Kathy if we can set the trap up in her lounge tonight instead of my garden so we will be doing this later and hope and pray we get him by the morning!
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Is it worth tipping off your local RSPCA so that if he does get handed in there, you can volunteer to immediately take responsibility for him? We can take it from there, thereafter.
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Im glad the ribbon is off his neck, lucky he didnt hang himself!
You must have spoken to whoever put it on or a friend of them, hes obviously causing a problem with many people, strange they havnt confessed!
God luck with plan b, hopefully setting it up indoors will work :luck:
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Such a shame the person who'd written the note didn't sign it-they could've been a great help in catching him, in fact why didn't they keep him where he was when they were putting the note on him and call CP or someone else ???? :-:
Good luck for tonight Tan :hug:
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Good luck Tan xx :hug:
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Tan all Paws crossed here at teh Clan - all 191 of them sending good trapping vibes ;D
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OMG Liz, 191 paws???????? :shocked: It must take you all day just to feed them!! :Luv2:
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:yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: We got him! :wooooo: :yayyy: :yayyy:
Kathy came ove about 8am with him in the trap completely cover in a blanket. She said he hasn't gone mad at all but is very scared and was crying to be let out. He is very quiet and i haven't heard a peep from him. So phase 1 complete ;D
Took him down to the vets about half 8 and he is in under my name. I have signed for him and left my large basket with his cushion that he sleeps on at Kathys for after the op. I have asked to check for a chip, For testing for FIV etc and for the neutereing. I have asked for them to ring me with the results of the test so i can plan what avenues we have depending on the results. They said they might have to keep him overnight as they are packed this am with ops and do him tomorrow am. If so it geives us a bit more time to sort out once i know his results.
I have said under no circumstances must he be pts if he tests posititve and i will cover any fees.
Hunnies now i need ya help further. :hug: :hug:
If he isn't fiv positive -
Option 1 - I may have a possible home for him.
Option 2 - to take him to Breand at CP in Bournemouth to be assessed and rehomed.
If he is FIV positive etc
Bournemouth CP won't help as they would not have allowed him out of the vets. So need Urgent help here for somewhere safe for him to go later today or tomorrow when he comes out of the vets.
I am not sure if Bob is prepared to take him on if he is FIV positive but i don't feel that would be right for Asbo to be kept inside all his life in a one bed flat as he is used to going out as a stray? What do you think?
What urgent help can i get or options if he is positive?
I have do sort this quick now as he will be ready to come back from vets either later today or tomorrow and they won't keep him there and i can't have him here either with no spare room and my two lads. I am also worried if he is brought back here and let out if there is no where else to go that we won't be able to trap get him again to rehome. :scared:
Wonderful Purrs peeps need ya help :hug: :hug: :hug: :thanks: :hug: :hug:
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well done on getting him Tan, as for what to do next - no idea!!!
could Lesley recommend someone who could do a proper homecheck ? once he is less of a man Asbo might quite like the quiet life
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Les hun can i ring ya just to get advice don't want to put any more cats your way as i know ya have lots of needy ones :hug:
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Thanks Dawn hun :hug: :hug:
lol iam still shaking - 1st time sucessful trapping and i didn't do it!! :-: :shy: :rofl:
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Great news Tan ;D :hug:
Tricky one, but first thoughts, if unsure could you not ask Breand CP to take him in to be assessed - telling of potential owner and once assessed may have an idea of whether he'll be suitable to be rehomed to Bob and then they can do homecheck too?
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OOO vets just called
He is negitive ;D ;D No chip and has been done already and ready to come out in 2 hours!! So i have to find him somewhere to go today. :scared:
I hope bob will contact me soon but i will ring Brenda just in case.
:scared: :scared: coo how do you wonderful rescue do this i am shaking! :Crazy:
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omg Tan!!! already done??
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Ooh, that is quick! ours are always there all day :wow:
Glad to hear he's neg though - you may find he's not bothered for going out if he's been a stray so long but I'd be wary and prob better to be assessed for right home.
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ooops now we in trouble cause Brenda at Bmth CP has had to close as she has an outbreak of cat flu since last week so can't take any in :scared: :scared: if i would of known that i would have held off catching him as they were my backup to take him straight from the vets.
We have nowhere for him to stay in a spare bedroom here :(
Not so good now :(
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can someone make a temporary home for him in a shed or outbuilding?
I would have thought the fact that he is not an unneutered tom changes a lot - he probably isn't going to need a lengthy period of socialization nor will his instinct to roam be so strong
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Tan
Well done on trapping Asbo and what good news that on the in-house tests, he is negative and already neutered. :)
Poor thing, he is just a stray trying to surive on the streets and as you say just need to get him in somewhere, especially as he has started to upset people in the neighbourhood (by the note attached to him the other day).
I do hope someone on here can help get him to safety.
A last resort this one, in case all else fails. The CP branch could contact the National Cat Centre to see if they could take him in especially as the local branch has a flu outbreak. That of course would need a transport run from yours to Haywards Heath, East Sussex. Alternatively are any neighbouring branches able to help?
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:( Tried Lymington cat & Kitten rescue and they are full and can't take him :(
If i get him and bring him back here and he is back going into houses again i am afraid of what this person will do that wrote the note. It's why i wanted to get him last night before these people did anything bad to him and get him to Brenda
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Tan
I can understand why you are worried about releasing him back, bearing in mind that note.
You just need somewhere for him to go to give more time to sort things out. :hug:
Have you asked the vets whether he can stay there today/tomorrow to give you some time to sort something out or would Kathy keep him indoors if he had to be collected from the vets?
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Well done for catching him. Do you have another friendly neighbour who could board him overnight if you provided the necessary stuff?
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Thanks Edd :hug:
The vets won't keep him and have said they are so buzy that they need him out asap when he is ready this arvo.
Brenda said to try Southampton CP and i have left a message on their rehoming line.
Kathy is at work and won't be back till 5pm but i don't think she would be too happy to have him in a spare room if she has one but i don't know. I so wish i had the room here. I will try my other neighbour who is involved and helping us catch him. She has two girls and not sure if she has a spare room.
Poor lad my stupid orgaination and the outbreak at Bmth cp has mucked all this up for him now. The poor lad is scared as hell :(
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What area do you need somewhere for him? PM me if you want and I can ask around. Well done for getting him; the poor lad will be scared he's not used to any confinement. :hug:
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New Milton Area :hug:
Just spoke to my other neighbour and they can't have him either. :(
No call from Soton cp yet.
I reckon i have till about 5pm to get him from the vets.
any ideas hunnies?
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Tan, have you tried ringing round all rescues in your area:
http://www.catchat.org/adoption/hants.html
may be one can help - it's worth a try :hug:
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Yup have the cc list infront of me :)
Nine lives not taking in any more.
Les is full with needy babes
left is RSPCA -- nope thank you! :shify:
CP southampton just rang and they can't have him either. They said to try Winchester CP cause they could also do the homecheck for Bob but Bob hasn't rang me yet so i am not 100% he is prepared to have him and have the patience with him to bring him round as a domestic cat.
Soton CP have said i should ring Brenda at Bmth back as it is bmth cp who had the trap, bmth cp who is paying for his neutering etc so their responiblity but how can they with cat flu there?
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bournemouth CP might have a fosterer who could take him, though
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I hope so cause i have to ring them back as i am running out of options :(
I feel awful cause this poor lad is now at the vets which is my doing with nowhere to go. Julie is so right that you have to know where he is going after the vets before he goes in and the plan i had and crumbled with this cat flu outbreak. :(
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My take on Southampton CP is that they are suggesting that your local CP (who gave you the trap and said they would take him) should be phoning their local contacts including any local fosterers to see what can be done to get the cat to safety.
You could try getting back onto her.
Last resort on the CP route would be to contact the National Cat Centre and there it would benefit from a CP branch co-ordinator/welfare officer speaking with them.
I was going to suggest getting him into a cattery if all else fails but he would have to be innoculated for that.
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Could he be kept in your garden with some shelter until you manage to find a rescue that can take him? I know it would involve your boys being kept in but hopefully not for too long :hug:
If you can find a rescue place further afield, if it's of any help I can help with transport from Friday evening and anytime over the weekend, I'm in Bucks.
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I was going to suggest getting him into a cattery if all else fails but he would have to be innoculated for that.
I wonder whether catteries have isolation facilities for emergency boarders? I'd be happy to chip in towards the hotel bill!
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Hopefully when you ring back - even if they can't take him in they'll have some suggestions I know round here all rescues contact and try and help each other, fingers crossed something can be sorted xx :hug:
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I was going to suggest getting him into a cattery if all else fails but he would have to be innoculated for that.
I wonder whether catteries have isolation facilities for emergency boarders? I'd be happy to chip in towards the hotel bill!
Me too, Tan.
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Tan
I would help towards 'hotel' bills as well Tan. So any good catteries your way with isolation pens?
Or how much would the vet charge for him to be innoculated with the basics (because we have saved on the neuterings costs :))?
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:hug: :thanks: :hug: so very much :hug: :hug:
never used a cattery before so need to look up all in the area to find out if they are ok and how much.
Just spoke to Winchester CP. They can't help either but could do a home check but they are very short staffed so don't know when that could be done.
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Tan
As you don't seem to be getting anyone from local CP to help you other than pass you on to the next branch, would it be worth moving this thread to rescue and rehoming so more rescue members might see it ? I don't know of other members around your area but have seen Ron (brighton cats) post. Know that is around 90 miles away but would he know of any rescues who might be able to help?
Otherwise, hoping Bob would like to take Asbo and CP can do a homecheck on him - with Asbo going to a cattery or even another vets in the meantime to give you some breathing space :hug:.
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Oh Lord hunnies it all sorted ;D ;D
Rang Brenda back and she said to try Joy who is one of their fosters. Rang Joy and she so such a joy to speak to (lovely lady) with 20 yrs experience with unwanted babes. Joy is going to take him ;D ;D She lives in Bournemouth only 5 mins form my dad's house.
Oh what a relief i was so worried.
I am going to take her some great toys and catnip as well ;D
Any hoo the vets just rang and he is ready so we will be off shortly to take him to Joy.
Joy to the world as she has saved my bacon lol :evillaugh: :rofl:
Thanks so very much to all of you wonderful peeps. I am so very proud to be part of you wonderful lot and so proud to call you all my very good freinds.
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Ps i will take my camera ;D
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That is fantastic - well done Tan
The fosterer sounds ideal for Asbo .
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Excellent news ;D I think you deserve a big pat on the back for being part of changing Asbo's life :hug:
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thank goodness!! lets hope its the start of something good for asbo - well done Tan!
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Well done, Tan! :yayyy:
So is Joy fostering him or is a permanent home?
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Thats great and had just started a thread for him in rescue so will move it for deletion ;D ;D ;D ;D
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sounds an ideal situation for him, and still leaves open a possible permanent home
unless your dad is looking for a cat :sneaky:
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lol brill hey. Got some toys together for him and Joy's cat so will be off in a mo. I can't believe it ;D
Got him a cube, a da bird, yeoww stuff and some of the new kniited familt toys do ya think he will like those!! :evillaugh: ;D
remind me to pay Purrs for them won't ya!! :evillaugh:
Joy will just be a temp foster for him but sounds so experienced and great :) I will tell ya later what she told me about a poor babe who was with a druggie and was given drugs that she fostered !!!
hopefully i will post some pics of darlin Asbo too
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lol i am still shakin!!! :innocent: :Crazy:
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Yay, great news Tan ;D I thought Brenda would sort something for you eventually ;) :hug:
look forward to photos - he's going to a very spoil puss is Asbo :Luv:
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Hopefully he will tame down like triggers tosker and that he once had a home.
i am sure he will love the toys if he has ever learned how to play ;D
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WOOOOHOO ;D
A job well done for Asbo all around :hug:
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Oh Tan that's fantastic news :dance:
I could feel your anguish when reading this thread and your posts.
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lol just waiting for my driver (hubbies are great for somethings Hey! ) :evillaugh:
I could feel your anguish when reading this thread and your posts.
lol yes what a day! :faint: :phew:
Can't wait to see him closer as i have never been able to get close to him. :Luv:
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:wooooo: :wooooo: :wooooo: What a fantastic outcome! :wow: :hug:
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Wondeful news, well done hun ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well done, bet you`ve gone through a fair few tenas :rofl: :hug:
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still waiting for me driver :sneaky: :-: He is doing a remote pc support at the mo so can't leave yet. Thankfully Asbo is safe at vets till we get there.
LOl T yes i have run out of Tena's this am so it came down to stuffing loo paper in needed region :rofl: :rofl:
Lol only joking! bet ya all think i have a really week bladder!! :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
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I love it when a plan comes together!
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So glad this kitty is fixed and going to a foster home!
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Sorry Tan hun, only just caught up with this - backwards and forwards to hospital at the moment, mother-in-law in palliative care ward at QA in Portsmouth.
Anyways looks like you have it all sorted :1st place:
If you need me for anything, just give me a call anytime - I think you have my number but if not it is on the website.
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off topic but I'm sorry Lesley :hug:
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Only just seen this-fantastic news-well done Tan and Kathy (and Joy of course!) :wooooo: Hope this is the start of a brilliant life for Asbo! Can't believe it's all sorted while i've had trouble with my emails! (Had to get my son on remote assistance to sort it-have now got 331 plus emails in my in box to delete) :rofl:
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Well done Tan & Co. ;D :hug:
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Fab news ;D
So glad he will have a warm place to recover after his op, hopefully a few weeks down the line a big softy will emerge :Luv2:
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Thats great news ;D - well done Tan - bet he turns out to be a real softie :Luv2:
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Well we picked him up from nasty vets (nice vets but i don't think Asbo thinks so! ) and he was as quiet as a lamb (are lambs really quiet?!) until we got about 5 mins from Joy's in bmth then he got moving about a bit in the carrier. Got him into to Joy's room and he went straight for a wee (a long one!) in a hidey box she has in there. So that's was why he was getting restless!
He is very scared lad but no aggression. I managed to snap two pics but didn't want to scare him any more than he was. He is now safe in Joy's room and i know Joy (lovely lady :) ) will take the very best of care of him. As she lives very near my dad, i can go and see him anytime ;D
I want to thank you all so very much just having all your support was such a huge help to me. Also a huge thank you to Brenda and Joy at Bournemouth CP :hug: :thanks: :hug:
The 1st pic isn't so great as he was moving but 2nd is a bit better. As you can see he is a very scared lad at the mo. :(
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Sorry Tan hun, only just caught up with this - backwards and forwards to hospital at the moment, mother-in-law in palliative care ward at QA in Portsmouth.
Anyways looks like you have it all sorted :1st place:
If you need me for anything, just give me a call anytime - I think you have my number but if not it is on the website.
Sending loads of :hug: hun to you, Mike and Mike's mum :hug: :hug:
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Oh he is a a tabby boy :Luv2: Looks a lot like some of my boys and am sure he will calm down- the day of the removal is always hard for them they go in with bits and come out minus a lot in most of our mobs cases, ticks, boy bits, ear mites and the rest having gained the full set of booster, program and a Chip can't see why they would be happy!
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bless him - he's had a very traumatic 24 hours
trapped, taken to vet, lost his bits, and off to a new home, perhaps the first he's known in a very long time
but he's a very lucky boy, and I'm sure he'll soon realise it's all been worth it
(are the neighbours having a party yet, Tan? :evillaugh:)
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He's lovely, hope he settles quickly :Luv:
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Tan what you going to do with all your new spare time!!! :evillaugh:
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Go away for a day and all hell breaks loose!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Fantastically good effort, Tan! You should be proud of yourself! :) :wow: We kept telling you that you could do it, didn't we? :evillaugh:
And just because Asbo can't say it himself, let me say it for him.... thank you so much Aunty Tan for sorting out my life and giving me a better and happier future. :naughty: :hug: :hug: :hug:
If that happens again, pick up the phone hun. If nothing else we can listen to your blubbing. :evillaugh: But the race to find a safe billet is 80% of cat rescue. Catching the b**ers is often the easy bit. :sneaky: Vetty poo will have probably held on to Asbo overnight (are they really going to tip him into the street at closing time??? :innocent: ) but vets get scared they will be lumbered with slightly whiffy and moody cats for days and do get tough about boarding strays at times. :tired: Anyway, so pleased you found a space. :)
He's an absolute darl' and 100% my kinda pud! :wow: He'd have been coming to mine tomorrow if my Tilly would be willing to share. :tired:
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What a great outcome , well done Tan and co! :hug: :hug:
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Glad you caught him and managed to find a placement for him, fingers crossed he adapts to home life very quickly, and Bob can adopt him.
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Good work, Tan ;D
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Hope he doing ok :Luv: I will ring Joy on Monday so he has a little time to settle in 1st. :)
Bob has just popped in and he going to join us ;D
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You've got more patience than me-i'd be on the phone now!! :rofl: :hug:
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Asbo is lovely :Luv: hopefully things will turn our really well for him xx
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Have you phoned Joy yet, Tan, lol? ;)
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Yeap Spoke to Joy last night ;D
Asbo has a new name cause Joy rightly thought having Asbo as a name for a babe that needs rehoming isn't such a good one!! :evillaugh: So his new name is Andy ;D :Luv:
Andy is doing great ;D He is in his own room and has eaten loads. He comes up to joy when she goes in to be with him and she has stroked him no probs. He is still scared but not surprizing after his ordeal at the vets and transport to a completely new surrounding from life out on the streets.
So things are looking great for him. Joy thinks he will come round very well and be a wonderful babe who deserves his own loving home. He is being Chipped and having vacs on weds.
I am going over in next few days to see him and get some more pics and see what time span Joy thinks he will be ready for rehoming ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
All is sounding very good for Andy :Luv:
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A much more suitable name :evillaugh:
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i know someone who is looking for a tabby but she is in sw wales grrrrrrrr
she lost her cat to the bridge just before christmas and now is pining for one but will not be ready to take one in for 3-4 weeks cos is going away and doesnt think it fair to take one until she comes back.
She uses the same vet as me and is in my Swansea art group but is english ;D
She fell about laughing when I told her about Asbo cos of his name ;D
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So pleased to hear his safe and well.
Not surprised his had a name change though, I don't know how many people would want an Asbo ;) :evillaugh:
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Great news! Sounds much better than anyone dared hope! :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Yeap Spoke to Joy last night ;D
Asbo has a new name cause Joy rightly thought having Asbo as a name for a babe that needs rehoming isn't such a good one!! :evillaugh: So his new name is Andy ;D :Luv:
Andy is doing great ;D He is in his own room and has eaten loads. He comes up to joy when she goes in to be with him and she has stroked him no probs. He is still scared but not surprizing after his ordeal at the vets and transport to a completely new surrounding from life out on the streets.
So things are looking great for him. Joy thinks he will come round very well and be a wonderful babe who deserves his own loving home. He is being Chipped and having vacs on weds.
I am going over in next few days to see him and get some more pics and see what time span Joy thinks he will be ready for rehoming ;D
Such great news, well done Tan. :hug: As soon as I read he'd gone straight in the litter tray I had hopes for Asbo Andy to be easily brought round to domestic life and it's looking even more promising now!
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Great news, big pat on the back tan :pat: :ok:
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Just got back and popped in to see him.
Well he def isn't so scared as much and def has warmed to Joy. No aggression and she can pick up up no probs. ;D He is def going to be a right softie!! ;D
Here's a couple more pics.
As it was only a pop in, i didn't get to chat much to Joy about when she thinks he's ready for rehoming so will ring her later in the week :)
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Aww, he looks really friendly :Luv2: I bet he's loving all the fuss!
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How lovely to see him settling in and calming down :) :1st place: Tan
P.S Do your boys miss him?! :evillaugh:
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Awww what a sweetheart! :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Glad to hear hes landed on his paws, must admit I loved the namw Asbo.
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Glad to hear hes landed on his paws, must admit I loved the namw Asbo.
lol so did i hun it rolls easy round your toungue ;D :evillaugh: i really hope to have contact with who his new slaves will be. I hope that when he is ready, i can pop him on here and that his new slave can join or be one of us so we all can know how he is getting on. :wish:
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I loved that name too ;D
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:Luv2: hes such a handsome boy :Luv:
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Any update on Andy, Tan?
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Hopfully going to pop in on Andy tomorrow as going to Bmth to see dad. ;D I do worry about him and feel quite attached i sooo hope he gets a lovely home. I hope he goes straight from Joy's to his home cause it must be so scarey for him to be locked in a room for weeks then to a rehoming cage til he's rehomed.
There is a new CP rehoming center nearly finished in Ferndown. All it's doing is only holding cats for rehoming ie not doing any rescue or rehibilitation just have 20 pens where cats wait to be rehomed when Bmth CP has said they are ready. :( it's cost loads of money and i so wish they would have spent it on getting more fosters or something so the cats have a home enviroment not a cage one. I hope Andy doen't go there.
http://www.bournemouthcats.org.uk/features/ferndown.htm
These are meant to be the new centers CP are planing for rehoming only. No trained staff
Bmth say it's not going to help much??
What do you think of them?
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think this is a waste of money and an affront to the local cp to be honest.
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forgot to say,,,,,,,just think what good use local; branches could have made of one million sqids!
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Waste of time and money how can they keep the poor things sane - some cats aren't homed that quickly - sorry I think Local CP's do a better job a lot cheaper!
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Are you saying Andy's in a cage at Joys or WILL be if he goes to that new place? How awful for him if he does! :(
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i hate caged cats with a passion and know that my sasa was in a caged room for over a year....no wonder she hates being shut in anywhere
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I think total was 1.75 Million!!
Here is what was on the Main CP site
Cats Protection - the UK's largest cat welfare charity - is building a homing centre in Ferndown, just outside Bournemouth. The centre will provide Cats Protection branches in the surrounding area with a homing venue where healthy cats can be seen by their new owners in an easy-to-reach, visible and modern environment.
We need to raise £1.75 million to enable us to build and equip this new homing centre and donations are crucial to us being able to achieve this target.
By supporting our appeal, you will be helping make this homing centre a reality and improve the lives of thousands of cats and kittens for many years to come.
It's a new center which is going to be the pilot scheme may form a template for future Cats Protection homing centres across the UK!!!
Cats Protection recognises the need to make the process of adopting a cat as quick and as easy as possible and this pilot homing centre will bring a modern approach to finding homes for unwanted cats.
Located in Ferndown, just outside Bournemouth, the homing centre will take in cats that are ready for adoption from volunteer-run branches in the surrounding area. This homing centre will provide an easy-to-reach, visible and modern environment for cats and kittens in need of homes.
Due to open in early 2010, the Ferndown Homing Centre will house 24 homing pens, five holding pens and three isolation pens. The homing pens will be in a courtyard style, ensuring each one has an open landscaped aspect.
The homing centre will offer visitors all the information and advice about cat care they need. It will also provide space for Cats Protection volunteers and staff to meet, a retail area, opportunities for school visits and other educational activities. We hope Ferndown Homing Centre will be an important part of the local community.
See our plans for the centre
This pilot scheme may form a template for future Cats Protection homing centres across the UK. Please help us make it a reality by supporting our appeal!
:( looks more like a processing plant. Very scarey for the cats that have been used to a home foster enviroment!!???
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Waste of time and money how can they keep the poor things sane - some cats aren't homed that quickly - sorry I think Local CP's do a better job a lot cheaper!
I agree the Bmth CP and foster's hate it!! The local foster and branch need money and more fosters not a rehoming clinical prison?
Ok what are the plus's? Will it free up space in the local cp and Foster home for those that are ready?
BUT poor poor cats going from a foster enviroment to that :'(
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So do i Gill! I had a (very) short stint volunteering a local cattery with 10 rescue pens for the RSPCA-i was broken hearted each time i went there so had to give it up! :'( I can't imagine what it must've been like for Sasa being caged for a year!!! Just awful! :'(
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Are you saying Andy's in a cage at Joys or WILL be if he goes to that new place? How awful for him if he does! :(
Andy's in Joy's spare room in her house and i know she lets him out at times too. The new center isn't open yet but it will be this month and if he goes there he will be in a cage/pen.
How scared is he going to be from being off the street then to a room for 2 weeks at joys then to that until he is homed :(
I will ask Joy how far he is off from being ready to rehome tomorrow.
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that is awful, what an apalling ampunt of money they are wasting and very bad for the cats in my opinion....what are they going to do with the ones that dont get homed month after month....its like putting them in a zoo >:(
no trained staff who will not know the cats pursonaloty and i wonder how many will end up in the wrong homes anf just get cgucked put again :(
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opportunities for school visits and other educational activities.
:'( No thought to the cat and how scared they will be!
pilot scheme may form a template for future Cats Protection homing centres across the UK!!!
This is only the 1st one!!!
Just like RSPCA centers.
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Surely in cases like Andy's where they've been a stray for a long time, they wouldn't be put in a cage????? :Crazy: It would be like going backwards after them getting used to living in a home environment and undo all the foster's hard work!! :Crazy:
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i am, starting to lose what little faith i had with cp >:(
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Surely in cases like Andy's where they've been a stray for a long time, they wouldn't be put in a cage????? :Crazy: It would be like going backwards after them getting used to living in a home environment and undo all the foster's hard work!! :Crazy:
I agree. And the same for any cat coming from a foster home.
I will ask Joy tomorrow and if he could be going there when he is ready, i have got to try and get him rehomed before he does. :scared:
I wonder what do other CP branches think of this new rehoming center plan?
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I personally think this looks awful and yes, like a zoo for kids to come and point and bang on the glass :censored: :censored: :censored:
The poor cats are going to be terrified -hope Asbo/Andy does not go there -it will be very bad for him .
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Looks to me as if each of those Pens has an outside run and I would give my right arm to have a set up like that, might be tough on cats that have known the luxury of a home/foster life but for all the poor starving, sick abandoned cats who need help that is pure heaven.
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it looks very like the blue cross that I volunteer at tbh - it works very well, is easy to keep clean and all the cats are in one place for adopters to see
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It is just like the set up at HQ. The cats that are sick or need more socialising are kept in a separate area. Also the cats can go through a hole to a different area if they want to get away from people. There is no ideal way. The only way cats will be rehomed is by people seeing them. There are staff around and anyone making a noise or upsetting the cats would be told to get out.
Also, I don't know where the assumption that the staff are untrained comes from. The staff at HQ dote on the cats. There is a board on each pen that has notes about each cat. Even down to any food & litter likes/dislikes. They aren't cages as such - they are quite large areas with easy to clean/disinfect walls. bedding & litter is changed regularly. Also they have all types of beds, including igloo-type beds for cats that want to hide.
If people have ideas of a better way of doing it, I'm sure CP would be glad to hear from them.
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again same as the blue cross Mark - we make notes on the sheet outside the pen for things like odd toileting or if they've been a bit shy or have come out of their shell a bit they have a range of beds or even boxes if they want to get out of the way, feliway plug ins and as each pen is cleaned they have the run of the corridor all of the outside parts of the run have cat trees and there are toys and shelves for climbing - I'm pretty sure this is state of the art stuff - battersea is the same as well
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It's probably also the same for the Blue Cross in that foster homes are few and far between. If all cats are kept in foster care until they are ready to rehome, it would mean turning away lots of cats. Each time a fosterer has a space, another cat can come in from the waiting list. As T pointed out, what is worse, this or the street?
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Whilst it is very sad for a cat used to wandering to be homed in a pen for a time, I very much suspect the photos on this thread do not do justice to the pens. I've tried googling for better photos but can't find any.
Not meant as a criticism as lord knows it's good of people to do such wonderful voluntary work, but perhaps CP could have posted a few pics of a "show pen" prior to opening to give peeps a better idea of accommodation but perhaps that's exactly what they intend to do when one is ready.
Fingers crossed that Andy can be rehomed as soon as poss :hug:
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There is a bit half way down this page about research that has been done by Bristol university regarding stress on cats during the rehoming process. The work was funded by CP and suggests (as most of us could have told them) that hidey-holes etc reduce stress http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vetschool.bris.ac.uk/research/abw/behavclinic/images/Research%25203_cat%2520box.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.vetschool.bris.ac.uk/research/abw/behavclinic/behavclinicresearch.html&usg=__Y9aTx1SQI1AsARLSMy_mFD4nJiQ=&h=287&w=293&sz=66&hl=en&start=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=EgAe_GMlEqp8cM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=115&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcats%2Bprotection%2Brehoming%2Bcentre%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1
The pens may look a bit clinical but they have to be to avoid cross-infection.
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again I can only speak for blue cross and our pens are the other way around (corridor runs along the back) but the inside it is around 4ft by 3ft and the outside bit about 8ft by 3ft - we have (at the one I go to) three that are about 3 times the size for bonded pairs or mums with new kittens (although they are kept with no outdoor access until the kittens are about 6 weeks) - please be assured everyone that Andy will be fine - he will get lots of fuss and bit of time to recover from the trails of being a stray plus he will get a lot more people looking at him this way
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There is a bit half way down this page about research that has been done by Bristol university regarding stress on cats during the rehoming process. The work was funded by CP and suggests (as most of us could have told them) that hidey-holes etc reduce stress
Absolutely Mark. I suspect that's why a number of people were surprised to see the pic of pud in an apparently glass fronted small enclosure with kids staring directly at her which I'm quite sure is not the set up at all. Just a poseur of a cat I suspect ;)
ETA actually looks like 2 poseurs :)
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Hi
The pictures look like the National Cat Centre and do not give a good view of the pens from a cat's view. Each pen has indoor and outdoor runs and as Mark says the staff and the volunteers at the National Cat Centre dote on the cats in their care and there are a lot - cats that is :(.
With the rehoming centre, I think this is different to the adoption centres where cats are taken in direct to the centre.
This I think is a facility for branches to use so that the cats can be homed quicker. Many branch fosterers have pens in their gardens or indoor facilities and therefore the cats available are not always readily available to see by the general public. Many branches do homing days where the cats are taken to a central location and viewed and many adoptions can come from that - so I think this is trying to build on that.
I do not know how much consultation the HQ had with the surrounding branches to this new centre as to whether it would be used and the pro/cons but around here I know many fosterers are reluctant to let cats go out of their care unless it is to their forever home.
So what is best, to use the facility with the cat has a better chance of getting homed quicker or the branch retain the cat for perhaps longer in a pen in your garden whilst the number of cats on your waiting list grows or you shut the waiting list because the branch cannot cope?
So it depends whether the branches will use the facility?
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bit puzzled myself as to the criticism, as I can see a cat flap in the photo, which presumably the cat can use to get away from the small enclosure
I am not experienced in these matters, but it does look like the sort of place people would be drawn to when looking for a cat
but of course any cat which would suffer being put on show like that should not be exposed to it, and commonsense would suggest that it wouldn't, as it would be a pointless exercise as unlikely to attract 'shoppers', though would probably attract complaints
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Forgot to say - with the glass areas - the cats of course can get away from that to other parts of the indoor pen and also to the outside run.
I have been to the NCC many times and of all the different types of cats from different backgrounds there I have not seen any distressed by the glass window. If they have a very timid cat - then there are blinds that can be drawn down. The cat cuddlers and staff spend a lot of time with each of the cats.
At Ferndown any cats placed there are considered ready for rehoming by branches so hopefully will adapt from either pens or cages locally to what may look clinical but excellent pen facilities.
CP's strategy here is to speed up the homing process for cats in their care so that the next cat can be helped quicker. Hope branches use the facilities bearing in mind the cost.
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So what is best, to use the facility with the cat has a better chance of getting homed quicker or the branch retain the cat for perhaps longer in a pen in your garden whilst the number of cats on your waiting list grows or you shut the waiting list because the branch cannot cope?
The situation our branch is in at the moment. The waiting list can only get so long before it has to be closed. I took a call from a woman last week whos partner has walked out leaving her with 5 young kids including a baby and the partners 2 cats he originally moved in with. She doesn't want them. She claims they are messing all over the house and she doesn't want her baby to get sick + she can't afford to keep them. There is nothing we can do at the moment. If there was space in a homing centre for them...............
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The Ferndown Homing Centre will only be re homing cats and will not be rescuing or taking unwanted cats and kittens into care from this area
This comes from the link about the cats!
Tan will have to answer about the untrained staff cos I dont know where she got this from but sure she has a good source.
I think its a giant waste of money and the money would be much better used by the branches.
So you have cats at fosters and they were scared and starving when you got them at your branch, the fosterer has done a fantastic job and they are now used to a house and ready for rehoming. So you then send them to this prison/zoo and they revert to being scared and wont eat and nobody will rehome them cos they attack anyone who comes close.........what happens to the poor cat then?
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it looks very like the blue cross that I volunteer at tbh - it works very well, is easy to keep clean and all the cats are in one place for adopters to see
Dawn what Blue Cross do you voluteer at ?, I want to come !
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Very sad to say but it doesn't look like ferals will have much of a chance in a situation like this = they don't do lots of visitors, or stress even with feliway not sure they will be given the chance but it doesn't say anything about them leans to more nice sorts of cats :-:
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you are right Liz but I think that these are cats ready to be rehomed and being marketed as such - not sure where ferals come into the picture - how are they usually homed??
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Surely there was debate among CP members during the initial planning stages ? Sorry but if someone wanted to build me a Catpen I would want input, so why did no one speak out?
The only disappointing side is that this centre of excellence will not be used for rescue work as such; I suppose this will mean more kittens dumped in country lanes because the centre can only take the ready to home ones.
For those who think these Pens are inadequate let me assure you there are so called rescues who keep cats in cages not much bigger than a cat carrier.
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you are right T its not a rescue centre but a rehoming centre - I know its not ideal for ferals but I've certainly seen long term strays and kittens born feral (again I'm only talking blue cross) do very well and even after several months sucessfully go on to new homes
I have seen cats in tiny cages at a pedigree rescue that will remain nameless
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Looks similar to Bath cats and dogs home near me - they have indoor 'pods' as they call them, and outdoor runs. They are kept really clean and there are comfy beds, and toys etc for the cats. Think they have separate areas for timid/nervous cats where extra socialisation is needed before they are ready for rehoming. They also have a feral colony at Bath - they are permanent residents with their own 'house' and enclosure - mind you, Bath is rescue and rehome, rather than just rehome. http://www.bathcatsanddogshome.org.uk/site_newcattery.asp
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I don't get the part that says they don't do rescue, nor do they take cats in from local people that want to rehome their cats. The cats they rehome must come from somewhere? :Crazy:
I do find some of the Zoo/Prison comments show a complete lack of understanding of what is really going on. Rehoming is being done on an industrial scale as the number of homeless cats is on an industrial scale and on the increase. In an ideal world, there would be enough fosterers to take care of cats - but there isn't and compromises have to be made. It's either this or leave cats on the street or possibly PTS (sad I know but it happens in other countries and even in this country by a certain national animal charity) - I know which I prefer.
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might they come from branches Mark?
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That's what I thought - I hope so. Branches like ours that are having to turn people away all the time. I wouldn't like to imagine what might happen to some of the cats. We can only hope people will wait until there is a space somewhere. Any rescue can only take in so many cats and there is a breaking point. It could well be that cats that are easy to rehome and of the right temperament go straight to the centre, allowing cats with issues to go to fosterers.
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I have not read this whole trhread.. But i must say most will be surprised or even more what the reality of rescue iand what we are dealing with. We dont live in an ideal world, there are not perfect answers, but the end result is to get a cat in a nice new home.
So if any one wants a glimpse of how things are and why i have spent the entire day juggling calls and cats inbetween my own work and want to answer our phone for the next month then pls do!!
I have already had in the last week, a cat being supposely "shot" a lady with terminal cancer that wants to rehome her cat. A poorly x cp cat that was abandoned and the owners did not care less as to its condition which was severe. A lady demanding me help with her 2 elderly cats as she cannot cope, someone who wants to buy a kitten...!!!
I could go on!
So any takers!
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I think the reality of rescue is very very hard and I admire everyone who works at the coal face. I think from Purrs most of us who have been around for a while have a very good idea of the situation......how could we not?
The point I am trying to get across, is the absolute waste of money this is and its only for pretty cats that they can rehome quickly, so all you poor peeps at the coal face are then left with all the harder to home cats, all the black and black and whites, the ex-ferals, cats with health problems etc etc, because Cp want to have a nice advertising front amd use up all those nice members money which rewally should get to the branches that need it.
It only has 24 places and for £1.75million I would expect something with so many morer places. Some how I think that Paws Inn has around that number of places and what would Teresa,Sarah, Angie, Lesley and Ron do with all this money? I suspect that a lot more than 24 places would be made.
Dream on all you hard working peeps, I think you are getting the rough end of the stick
My questiion still is, what happens when a cat is not rehomed in what they consider a reasonable time?
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My questiion still is, what happens when a cat is not rehomed in what they consider a reasonable time?
No cat would be PTS for being hard to home. The beauty of these type of places is they are easy to access and the turn around for most cats is really quick. It is unlikely any cat is in for more than a week. Some are even reserved the day they go in. I know HQ make a point of putting the ones that are harder to home in reception if they are of the right temperament. They get lots of exposure there and get snapped up in no time. Another good thing about a rehoming centre is that they are easy to access - much easier to look around one of them than to visit BSBs :shify:
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Just out of interest Mark......do they have home checkers attached to the centres?
We have a centre at Bridgend but as far as I know is one of Cps rescue centres and I know they pts FIV etc cats. They have an open day soon, not sure whether to visit though.....I get upset easy :(
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I don't know how the homecheck thing works but they do have them. As far as FIV cats go, I doubt they would PTS - last year (or the year before), we had an FIV cat and he was being rehomed by the chief exec's PA as she is also a volunteer for a branch.
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I don't know how the homecheck thing works but they do have them. As far as FIV cats go, I doubt they would PTS - last year (or the year before), we had an FIV cat and he was being rehomed by the chief exec's PA as she is also a volunteer for a branch.
Just out of interest Mark......do they have home checkers attached to the centres?
We have a centre at Bridgend but as far as I know is one of Cps rescue centres and I know they pts FIV etc cats. They have an open day soon, not sure whether to visit though.....I get upset easy :(
I would imagine that the home checking is no different from now - If the National Cat Centre or a branch has a cat for homing out of their area they ask the local branch to do it. BUT that is an assumption on my part. :)
Re Bridgend that is an adoption centre. If they automatically PTS all FIV cats then this a case of another area of CP not following the CP cat care standards and need to be challenged on that >:(
At the moment branches are struggling to cope (as are all rescues) and from the original statement it said:
"Cats Protection recognises the need to make the process of adopting a cat as quick and as easy as possible and this pilot homing centre will bring a modern approach to finding homes for unwanted cats.
Located in Ferndown, just outside Bournemouth, the homing centre will take in cats that are ready for adoption from volunteer-run branches in the surrounding area. This homing centre will provide an easy-to-reach, visible and modern environment for cats and kittens in need of homes.
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So my take is that this first Rehoming Centre is being piloted to support the local branches in their rehoming efforts and if a cat goes to the rehoming centre it frees up a local branch pen for another cat to come in. IF successful, CP will be able to help more cats than they currently do.Is that not a good thing?
However as with all plans -it is about how these plans are created, who consulted and crucially how implemented.
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yes the new center is purely for rehoming cats that are ready from the cp branches and fosters in the area.
Thanks for all ya replies on here cause is has helped me see the other plus side to the center :)
I have to admit into jumping to a negitive thought on the centre because i see Andy as he is now which is scared still with hoomans and had a horrible thought of him like that in the rehoming center pen. What i should of done is thought that Joy os fostering him to help with the hooman fear so there is no way he would be in the rehoming center unless he is totally ok and ready. I think that but will confirm with Joy, That the rehoming center will be for cats who are totaaly ready and any scared ones will stay in foster till rehomed.
Ya also right that just by looking at the pics, you can't see the full area they have so can't judge it fairly unless actually seen in person.
I have spoken to Bmth cp leader Brenda and she has a neg view of the center as well as Joy who is fostering Andy. Brenda fears that the new center will take some of the the vital donations going into her branch as it is her branch and fosters that will still do all the care and rescue, vets etc. This is why she has a message about it on Bmth cp web site. Joy who has been a foster for 20 yrs feels the new centre is alot of money and feels a foster enviorment is better for the cats. So these are the views and only views i have had for the new centre without seeing the other plus side of it until now.
It is a shame that there is a lack of Fosters for the amount of cats that need rescue as it is the best enviroment for them but i understand now that for cats that are totaly fit and have no behaviour issues the rehoming centre does allow the branches and foster to help more needy babes.
Sadly i didn't get a chance to see Andy today. I will ring Joy tomorrow ro see how he is still doing :)
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If they don't want it, we'll have it! :evillaugh:
There is such a shortage of rescue space in our part of Kent and it is even worse in Thanet. A few small rescues are struggling to cope. I'm sure as time goes on, it would have to adapt to needs which would be a place of safety for needy cats - It makes sense to me that fosterers take care of cats that are poorly or need TLC and the centre concentrates on getting cats into new homes? - there will always be for and against for anything. No disrespect to Joy and everyone else in the area but it is a fact that people don't like change. I agree it is a lot of money but I don't think it has been done on a whim - I'm sure a lot of thought and planning has gone into it. There may only be 24 pens but they can probably rehome 20 cats a week, maybe more.
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Unusually for me I can see both sides of the discussion! From what I read over on MSE Pets board there is a strong perception that you have to jump through hoops to adopt a rescue cat and a lot of people make very little effort to pursue that avenue :tired: maybe this centre will make it feel more accessible. However distasteful the analogy might be the public are used to shopping, to 'handling the goods', to lots of choice.
I also think there are some benefits even to supervised school visits, don't underestimate the effect of 'pester power' - look how many adverts now are aimed at children! I hope this won't mean cats are adopted without consideration, but I can imagine a family thinking of getting a kitten off Gumtree and instead the kid wants to go to the rehoming centre he visited with school. Kids have been enthused by school to tell mum off for not recycling or preach about Jamie Oliver style nutrition, why not rescued cats? :hug:
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there is a strong perception that you have to jump through hoops to adopt a rescue cat a
I have heard that before but can never understand why. Unless people see a couple of phone calls and a homecheck as jumping through hoops. I would think any true animal lover would appreciate the reasons it is done. Maybe MSE types don't like the idea of parting with a donation :evillaugh:
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I've been turned down by a local rescue myself Mark and did actually say oh that if we were turned down by a second I would buy a cat from a pet shop (before my days on catchat and purrs I must add) - in the end the blue cross passed us but it is quite hard going being told you aren't a suitable pet owner or in my case i had "an unsuitable address" lol!
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Maybe my only experience is with CP. I had no problem getting Kylie from CP Archway rehoming centre after a homecheck, even though I lived on a main road. Also, it is very rare that someone gets turned down by our branch. There are sometimes niggles but Sharon will iron them out. I have had doubts before, ie I don't like the idea of homing to people that smoke in the house but Sharon says if we only homed to people who got 100/100, we would never home any cats.
I know of one rescue in about 20 miles from here that doesn't even do homechecks. They refuse to home to certain areas/streets but that is it. They take people on face value. I spoke to the person that runs it and he says their local CP branch will have nothing to do with them because of that. He says that he has never had any problems doing it his way and always makes it clear to people that if there are any problems, he will take the cat back straight away. I think he said they have a set fee and it is high enough to put off the wrong types. I can't say I agree with it. I have met some of the most caring cat owners in dodgy streets. One lady phoned us as she was concerned about a BSB in the house backing onto hers. She said the cats had a habit of vanishing once they had a few litters. She was particularly concerned about a little girl than kept coming into her garden. I paid her a visit and came away with a little friend :evillaugh: . She even said that there were a lot of people she wouldn't allow cats in her street but her house was full of cat stuff and she had a CP sticker in the window :)
It is a tough call though as this was the same street that Porridge was homed and if you saw the other thread yesterday, rescued from again.
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Just a thought but the money spent might not just have been on the "pens" but might be on veterinary facilities and the behind the scenes facilities etc too.
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I'm sure there is a lot that goes into it. It looks like the set up is pretty similar to Dogs Trust?
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I'm sure there is a lot that goes into it. It looks like the set up is pretty similar to Dogs Trust?
Was thinking the same thing, thats what made me say it. I know lots of planning and research goes into our buildings etc.
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Well its grand opening is on 20 Mar so you can all get down there and ask penetrating questions :innocent:
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yes the new center is purely for rehoming cats that are ready from the cp branches and fosters in the area.
To be honest I have not read the whole topic but have been asked to have a look.
What a wonderful idea for rescues to have such a facility, it will mean that branches can re-locate those cats that have been assessed and ready for a new loving home and have space much sooner for those that are perhaps in a bad condition or in a dangerous location waiting to come in and need help ASAP. Often pens are blocked by purrfectly homeable cats and to me it seems a shame when you know of a cat/s that desperately need that pen.
So you have cats at fosters and they were scared and starving when you got them at your branch, the fosterer has done a fantastic job and they are now used to a house and ready for rehoming. So you then send them to this prison/zoo and they revert to being scared and wont eat and nobody will rehome them cos they attack anyone who comes close.........what happens to the poor cat then?
I think that comment is disrespectful. I know as a fosterer that I would rather a cat that is more than ready to have a loving home go to somewhere where people can view daily and have a quicker chance of a loving home than remain here where my time to allow people to view is limited. I am sure fosterers would not allow cats that would not soon settle in their new surroundings quickly to go to another facility. Also CP pens & runs are in no way prison like nor like a zoo. Also many fosterers have a number of pens so there is not much difference in the viewing facility. The soon cats are home the better and more can be saved.
All homes for CP cats are vetted be the cat in the care of a branch or CP centre.
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I think the idea of a central re-homing centre for an area is quite a good one. The only concern I would have if I was a nearby Branch is that if our Branch sent a cat to the Centre, where would the re-homing fee go - to the Branch or the Centre. Also, who pays for the vaccinations, etc, - the Branch or the Centre.
I can see the concerns a nearby Branch would have about losing vital resources from their own needs to the running of such a Centre.
I also think it is likely that no matter how much the Centre advertises that it is for re-homing only, cats will be either be taken there by members of the public for re-homing or dumped there. This happens even at my front door so I cannot imagine they will be immune from it. What will then happen to these cats? Will the nearby Branches be expected to take them on?
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I think the idea of a central re-homing centre for an area is quite a good one. The only concern I would have if I was a nearby Branch is that if our Branch sent a cat to the Centre, where would the re-homing fee go - to the Branch or the Centre. Also, who pays for the vaccinations, etc, - the Branch or the Centre.
I can see the concerns a nearby Branch would have about losing vital resources from their own needs to the running of such a Centre.
I also think it is likely that no matter how much the Centre advertises that it is for re-homing only, cats will be either be taken there by members of the public for re-homing or dumped there. This happens even at my front door so I cannot imagine they will be immune from it. What will then happen to these cats? Will the nearby Branches be expected to take them on?
Hi Les
Yes this is what Bmth cp was saying to me. Bmth branch (Dorset) covers a huge area incl us in New Milton in Hampshire and they had concerns the new center may take some public vital funds from the actual branch. The branch will still cover all vet fees and vac etc as usual and cover all the rescue work. I hope the new center which has been built entirely from HQ funds will be run from HQ funds so not to effect the branch.
I will ask Joy if she knows who gets the rehoming fee which normally the branch gets.
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I also think it is likely that no matter how much the Centre advertises that it is for re-homing only, cats will be either be taken there by members of the public for re-homing or dumped there. This happens even at my front door so I cannot imagine they will be immune from it. What will then happen to these cats? Will the nearby Branches be expected to take them on?
This occurred to me too but I imagine, if the rehoming centre isn't there, the cats would be dumped at nearby branches in any event?
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How's Andy doing, Tan?? :hug:
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Going over to see Andy tonight :)
It seems he is getting quite restless so Joy has tried to give him a bit more space. He did an escape last week and Joy got him back. Phew
She says he really needs a forever home as he isn't enjoying being in 24/7.
What's the norm procedure in rescues with cats coming in Strays that are used to being outside alot (but not feral) to keep them inside? Do you norm spend alot of time (if you have it) with them to entertain to stop boredom? Can rescue strays become a little aggressive ie start attacking legs etc if held for long and if so what is norm done?
Will get some more pics and take a toy for him.
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I remember one at blue cross that became a bit of a handful, he had been a stray in London for ages - we used to spend extra time with him playing with fishing rod toys because he was a biter!! he did get rehomed in the end, it took a few months be he found a home - apparently he still sucked clothes but stopped biting
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Well well well
Andy aka Asbo is such a sweetie ;D ;D
The change in him is remarkable. :Luv: :Luv:
He was head butting me and rolling over loving his tum stoked he really is a gorgeous looking lad and soo friendly.
He is a little nervious of noises but he is going to make one slave of a new family. He is a liitle restless and does want to go outside so i hope he has his forever home soon.
He is ready to rehome now and Joy is hoping to find a family with older chidren where he can get the fussing he craves. He seems fine with other cats.
Ya know if only my two would except another babe i would love to have him. Such a cuddle bum. :Luv: :Luv:
So peeps if you are in the Bournmeouth CP area (they cover quite a bit for Dorset and some Hampshire) and you would love a wonderful loving cat , Male healthy about 3 to 4 years old. Then Andy is for you ;D
Please contact with me (tan) through my profile pm or email Purrs@purrsinourhearts.co.uk
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Love him and hope he gets a home very soon where he can go outside safely :Luv2:
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I just read the description of him on the 'newsflash' and can't believe it's talking about the same cat - what a change! ;D
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So pleased Andy aka Asbo is doing so well and everything crossed he gets his furrever home VERY soon! :Luv2: :Luv2: My Charlie (semi feral) wants to be out all the time now the horrible weather's gone-think the novelty of being indoors has worn off now! :rofl:
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Awww bless him :Luv: :Luv: hope he finds his forever home soon.
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What a handsome boy he is! :Luv:
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He is gorgeous! I hope he gets a Loving forever home soon :Luv2:
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:Luv: Awww, he looks a right fuss puss, hope he soon gets that forever home he deserves xx
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Had a message left last night from Joy and Andy has a forever home ;D
She is ringing later with more info.
I know she can't give me any details to who hw has gone to but i know Joy will have picked a great home for him :)
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Brilliant news :)
Well done Andy, I wish you a very happy and spoilt forever :)
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:wooooo: :wooooo: :wooooo: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:
Excellent news! Maybe Joy could tell the new owners about the crazy cat lady Queen of Purrs that helped save him and the web address ;D
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Great news :) - I'm sure she has made sure he is going somewhere nice :Luv2:
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Great news!!
have a long happy life with your new slaves!!!
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Wonderful news. Perhaps his new owners will contact you themselves, Tan.
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Fantastic news!!! :cheer: :dance: Hope he loves his new home and has many happy years! :hug: Well done Tan for rescuing him in the first place!! :hug: :hug:
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that's fantastic
and it took no time to get him off the streets, where he was living a wretched life as an unwanted and unwelcome complete male, to turning him into a lovely and loving furr babe, who hopefully is now going to spend the rest of his days in a warm home with good food and dedicated slaves
well done Tan and Joy
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Great news ;D
The rehoming centre looks nice to me, clean, warm, single occupancy pens, hopefully the turn around will be quick. Thinking about it the branches must still have some say over what cats they send, meaning those of feral background or very timid could stay put?
Diversion of public donations would be the biggest downfall i can see, people automatically give to the first place they see
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there is a strong perception that you have to jump through hoops to adopt a rescue cat a
I have heard that before but can never understand why. Unless people see a couple of phone calls and a homecheck as jumping through hoops. I would think any true animal lover would appreciate the reasons it is done. Maybe MSE types don't like the idea of parting with a donation :evillaugh:
Maybe so!! :evillaugh:
I think there are a few issues, certainly some people don't like what they deem the 'intrusion' of the homecheck, but there is little that can be done about that as the homecheck is essential. There do seem to be an awful lot of potential adopters reporting negative experiences with one or more rescue, depending how negative the first contact this can be the only attempt they ever make at adopting from a rescue! Some branches will not home where there are young children, some will not home to either a busy street or contemplate an indoor only environment, or to anyone working full time. All told that is an awful lot of potential adopters being turned away ...
Speaking for myself, I contacted three rescues when looking for Noah - Adel CP, RSPCA and another local one. I was very clear in my e-mail what sort of home I could offer and what I was looking for - stable environment as homeowner, no children, work part time, previous experience of rescue cats, happy to take an adult with a health condition as would have to be indoor only. RSPCA came back to me first and were really VERY rude basically saying they didn't approve of indoor homes: it honestly was enough to make me doubt that I had a suitable environment for a cat, that perhaps I was being selfish. :(
Luckily there are fabby places like Purrs :hug: where we can send those jaded MSE folks and be sure that the regulars will bend over backwards to match the right cat to the right home, even if that means referring to other rescues or going outside the area.
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Had a message left last night from Joy and Andy has a forever home ;D
She is ringing later with more info.
I know she can't give me any details to who hw has gone to but i know Joy will have picked a great home for him :)
:yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:
Oh Tan, you should read this thread back. All that stressing over not catching him and where he was going to go ... Next time have more faith in yourself, you did an amazing thing for Asbo. :hug:
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So pleased that Asbo has a home to go to.........everyone I have told about Asbo just loved that name ;D
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Really pleased to hear this
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well Joy was really pleased with the family that has adopted Andy ;D
They are an older single parent family with a 7 yr old Daughter and have already said he is settling well and a right love giver and loves cuddles ;D
Hopefully she will hear how he is getting on :)
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Great news ;D
The rehoming centre looks nice to me, clean, warm, single occupancy pens, hopefully the turn around will be quick. Thinking about it the branches must still have some say over what cats they send, meaning those of feral background or very timid could stay put?
Diversion of public donations would be the biggest downfall i can see, people automatically give to the first place they see
Yes the branches will only send the fit, menatlly healthy and ready to rehome cats to the center.
The sad thing is that the branches are now going to loose out on any adoption fee over £45 as the center will only pay the branch who does all the main work, vet fees, fostering, feeding etc max £45 for each adoption. They used to get mostly £50 per adoption straight to the branch and many times higher than that but no longer if the cats are rehomed through the center. The branches are worried about this when the centre opens very soon.
with CPL branches here how would that effect you?
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I would expect that the branches will be torn between freeing up places and income to help new cats and if they let their most homeable go to the centre, they will just end up bankrupting themselves.
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Thats brilliant news
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I guess they will be made to participate in giving cats? I think the way the money is being dealt with will let it down, the homing side should flow well but they really need the branches onside, stripping much needed funds wont do that :(
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What's the norm procedure in rescues with cats coming in Strays that are used to being outside alot (but not feral) to keep them inside? Do you norm spend alot of time (if you have it) with them to entertain to stop boredom? Can rescue strays become a little aggressive ie start attacking legs etc if held for long and if so what is norm done?
Only just caught up with this thread again.
I have found that cats who come in that appear to have been long term strays, settle in very well in fact many seem to sleep and rest a lot for the first few days, they also almost fall on food for a while as if it were there last meal. Of course they need to be fed little and often as otherwise there can be a few problems as they are not used to good regular meals. When homed these type of cats often seem very loath to venture out at all. I personally have never known a cat become more aggressive once in care, in fact quite the opposite.
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Have only just caught up on this thread again. :-[
Am so very happy Asbo/Andy has scored a touch-down in the rehoming game!! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Long may be continue to put his feet up and enjoy the benefits of being 'owned'. :evillaugh:
In the rehoming centre debate.... bring one down here please! We'll have one!! :wish: Currently we have Trix, (ready and available for rehoming for over two months but not even viewed once) and Annie (in our care since Christmas but no one wants to see her) plus Louis and Pepper (two young, fit and friendly puds that again no one has asked to see and they've been with us for 6 weeks.) How many cats could we have helped in the time these puddies have blocked our fosterers?? :(
I will gladly put them in my car NOW and take them there they'll be rehomed within a week in an environment like that! :tired: I think you'll find the local branches only objection is going to be based on money issues rather than on care standards or what's best for the cat. :innocent: