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Title: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 24, 2014, 20:44:48 PM
Need some quick advice.

my licky has thyroid issues and been stable for a year. Is it possible for his thyroid to grow and therefore make him unstable again or am i looking at signs of kidney failure. He is going vets tomorrow but i am stressing out and thinking the worst. Xx
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 24, 2014, 20:48:31 PM
Kocka had a beinine sp? tumour on her thyroid which was surgically rremoved,,,,,,,,so could be something like this.....................good luck at vets  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Liz on April 24, 2014, 21:31:02 PM
Yes it can grow back I have Max whose did and also he became intolerant to Vitalda and is now on Felimozile
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: cathycat on April 25, 2014, 02:20:57 AM
Kocka had a beinine sp? tumour on her thyroid which was surgically rremoved,,,,,,,,so could be something like this.....................good luck at vets  :hug: :hug:

So did my Eddie.The op was a total success
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 25, 2014, 09:21:51 AM
Yes it can grow back I have Max whose did and also he became intolerant to Vitalda and is now on Felimozile

Thank you. I think this is the case with my Licky. He is showing thyoidism symptoms again and he has Vitalda tablets at present. Going the vets this afternoon and he will get his bloods done again. I was worried if could be kidney trouble as some symptoms are the same but he went the vets two weeks ago and she said his were great
 But she didnt do his bloods which annoyed me, so now i will cause a fuss. Poor man. He turned 16 on weds so any changes are noticed.

fingers crossed
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2014, 12:13:20 PM
Good luck at the vets  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 25, 2014, 13:03:52 PM
Ended up at the vets now. He hasnt ate anything all night and this morning. He is also dehydrated. I will keep you updated. Xxx
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 25, 2014, 14:27:29 PM
His kidneys are good, bit of sugar in his wee but nothing to worry about. He is in good health apart from loss of weight. He has had a shot of pain killers as he has sore teeth. Took his bloods and get results on Tuesday. Said to keep offering food and got some sachets to help with dehyration and supplement fed if he is not willing to eat much. My poor boy. Xxxx
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Liz on April 25, 2014, 15:37:09 PM
I would warm his food for 10 seconds in the microwave it seems to work especially on fish varieties and if you can get hold of some Complivet food supplement as 2 pumps of that is equal to a full days calories and mine love it
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2014, 17:34:20 PM
Watch the dehydration because to get back he may need to go on a drip especially if her doesnt eat or drink and the weather warms up  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 25, 2014, 20:32:01 PM
Licky has had a few more bites to eat so just going to give small but offer
 The vet said he was hydrated and to keep with the wet food and water bowl. At present he is asleep under the bed. Haha
he seems more bright eyed.
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2014, 23:23:10 PM
Sendy Licky loads of good wishes  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 27, 2014, 12:57:23 PM
He has not ate in 24hours apart from the syringe feed but he is eating water on his own. (Strange cat) he wont eat any liquid based food his own. The vet said as long as he is hydrated to keep trying with food. I have been giving him liquidiated cat food bit going to try kitten milk formula for when a kitten needs human help. I was told it tastes nice for the cat and he will be more willing to try. The trouble at the moment is that any special type food needs me to order online and can take a few days so it konda hard to be waiting on it when i need it now. We have a pets at home in the next town but its a sunday and hard to get to bit i cab get there tomorrow. Poor man is much brighter, purring and trying to clean himself but he isnt brave nothing to actually lick anything. I think its his throat thats hurting him to get food passed. Je has stopped hiding and wants to go outside. He is also sitting at the bowl for food but he seems lick it twice and give up. At least his spirit has picked up and he is trying. Xxxx
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Liz on April 27, 2014, 19:48:24 PM
Adult cat milk is a good thing its high in calories
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: cathycat on April 28, 2014, 02:05:57 AM
Hope Licky continues to feel abit brighter. :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on April 28, 2014, 16:26:37 PM
How is Licky today?
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 28, 2014, 19:17:45 PM
Hi guys.

we took Licky the vets as he started getting angry and we couldnt get anything in him. They are keeping him over night on a dripand we get his blood results back tomorrow too. We have decided that if they bloods give us no answers or they cant get him to eat that we will do the right thing and pts. He looks depressed, weighs 2kgs and i think he has given up. It kills me inside because he is my soulmate cat. He watchs me up for work, have our meals together and go sleep together but i have to consider his quality of life and his ending going forward. I dont know what else to do. The vet suggest its the best thing and at 16years old he has lived a long and happy life. He loved me as much as i loved him and forever that will be special. Xxxxx
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: sheilarose on April 28, 2014, 22:58:50 PM
So very sorry to read this, Stezzle.  :hug: :hug:

It us the most valuable gift you can give, and at 2kilos he simply has no reserves left.  :(

Gods speed Licky.  :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 28, 2014, 23:03:44 PM
So very sorry Stezzle and afraid 2kg is about as low as they can go, Ducha was about that and knew he had given up but its just so devastately heart breaking  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 29, 2014, 11:32:29 AM
We are just waiting om bloods to see if there is a reason for his refusely of food. He is having water but not interested in food. He was fine on thursday and been the vets 4times since,  so its a shock at how fast it may come to this. I am going to get his paw print and have it tattooed on me. The vet has known licky since he was little and has cats of his own. Therefore he is upset but i asked him to personally do it and he said he will if we cant figure it out. If Licky hasnt given up then i wont pts until he has. Currently he is at the vets and as been over night to help him more. I just feel lost and i want him home but either way he is coming home. His twin sister Candy was torn apart by a dog 6 months so i think he is heart broken and wants to be with her. Xxxx
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 29, 2014, 11:45:37 AM
The vets just phoned and told me that Licky has picked up and been doing really really well over night. Still no blood results but going to phone when they come in. They want to keep licky in over night again as he is responding well to the treatments they are giving him and going to try him on food. My Licky hasnt given up but they said he is still weak but bright eyed. Bless him soo much.
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Dawn F on April 29, 2014, 13:48:44 PM
that is good news, hope the bloods are ok
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 29, 2014, 14:17:35 PM
Sending huge vibes for licky   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on April 29, 2014, 15:44:30 PM
Stezzle and Licky  :hug: I have everything crossed for you  :crossed:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 29, 2014, 21:03:53 PM
Today has been a massive roller coaster because Licky is home!!!


The called and ask for me to pick Licky up as he can go home.

Got there and he said Licky has been following the vet round all afternoon, running round. His blood came in and his thyroids are unstable, massively so got to force two high dose tablets a day. Done first lot at vets and he is at least smelling food and meowing as normal. Hopefully over night or morning he will take the dip and eat. Xxx keep you up dated
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 29, 2014, 21:04:57 PM
My goodness that is great and sending more good vibes  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 29, 2014, 21:11:51 PM
Licky is an incredible cat. He just keeps trying. We are not out of the woods but at least he has given us some to work for. I am sure the vet would happily keep him for himself as he said that Licky has an amazing temperment, beautiful and just an incredible cat. It made me so proud to hear. Just fingers crossed for some food in next 24hours. Thank you to everyone for the support and words of support. Even if he only lives another week then at least we have given him a chance. Xxxx
 
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on April 29, 2014, 21:36:13 PM
Waytogo Licky!
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on April 30, 2014, 22:38:09 PM
He is on 20mg of valita (2x 10mg) but its making him feel sick. I was wondering if any one knew if i could give him one 10mg in morning and then one a bit later on. He is still having his 20mg in 24hours but its not so much on his stomach, as its still very sensitive?
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 30, 2014, 23:16:15 PM
There are a number of other threads about this drug so you need to do a search.......I am afraid I dont know anything about this except it has come up as a problem many times
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Bumping this up, was hoping someone could help.

Hope Licky OK  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 01, 2014, 12:24:58 PM


Could it have been this one Gill?

http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php?topic=23803.0
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 01, 2014, 13:05:17 PM
This one is more recent Stezzle  :hug:

http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php/topic,40429.msg782939.html#msg782939

What did Licky's blood results show?  I assume still very high thyroid results if on 20mg dose?

As he is so poorly and only weighs 2kgs, I would ring vet and seek his/her advice.  No point giving Vidalta if it is making him go off his food.  Vet will know whether maybe better to try Felimazole.

 :hug: :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 01, 2014, 13:09:05 PM
I don't know anything about hyper t but I hope Licky rallies.  If the meds are making him sick is there not another med for hyper t that he can try?
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 01, 2014, 13:18:31 PM
He is on 20mg of valita (2x 10mg) but its making him feel sick. I was wondering if anyone knew if i could give him one 10mg in morning and then one a bit later on. He is still having his 20mg in 24hours but its not so much on his stomach, as its still very sensitive?

This is NOAH link for Vidalta but you really should speak to your vet  :hug:

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/MSD_Animal_Health/Vidalta_10_mg_ACY-amp_ADs-_15_mg_prolonged-release_tablets_for_cats/-58685.html

Relevant bit to your question.....

Maintenance phase Follow-up visits every 3 to 6 months are recommended. The dose should be adjusted individually based on clinical signs and total thyroxin concentration (TT4). It is advisable to check TT4 10-14 days after dose adjustment. The therapeutic dose of Vidalta ranges between 10 mg (one 10 mg tablet) and 25 mg (one 10 mg tablet and one 15 mg tablet) once daily. Some cats require doses of less than 10 mg carbimazole daily. Every other day dosing with 10 mg or 15 mg of carbimazole may be sufficient to control the disease. Dose increases should not be made in increments of greater than 5 mg. Doses above 20 mg have only been trialled in a small number of cats and should be used with caution.
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Misa on May 01, 2014, 14:14:39 PM
Thank you all and hope that stezzle sees this and Lickyy is ok
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Liz on May 01, 2014, 15:54:47 PM
Our Clio is on 10mg in the morning and 15mg in the evening I try and give the tablets about 10 hours apart for that very reason - also Max my other Hyper T gets his Felimizole and Millie diabetic gets her injections around the same time
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on May 02, 2014, 07:59:34 AM
Licky was on 15mg once a day before he stopped eating. He has diagnosed with thyroids two/three years ago.

Altho the main signs of thyroid is over eating and weight loss. Its also can be not eating as the disease progresses. My vet is excellent. His own cat has the condition so i trust him to do the right thing. Since upping his dosage he has ate two sachets yday and slowly increasing each day. Licky is due back the vets today (three days later) for a check up and to take more bloods.

Lickys thyroids are now at the later stages and therefore its very different in some ways to early stages. We are aware he is going blind in his right eye, this is due to his blood pressure which we were treating but as its progressed (thyroid) so does that.

Licky is doing great. He is up and runnig around, meowing and asking and eating food.

We know we arnt looking at years head for the dreded day but at least he can go the bridge on his terms. thyroids is a serious disease and its not going away. It will kill in the end no matter how many tablets you give them but at 16years old and him not slowing down, i am sure he has a uear or two left and i want him to enjoy this time which i think he is. Xxxx
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 02, 2014, 08:07:07 AM


A lovely, positive post Stezzle.   :hug:  Paddy was diagnosed with Hyper-T shortly after he had a stroke, aged 15.  We had him for a further 5 years, and that was with the Hyper-T being largely untreated.  He was on felimazole initially but  was an absolute booga to medicate, and the vet decided it was more stressul for Padster to be subject to daily wranglings than it was to see how he progressed.  His condition was  monitored with our vet at regular two monthly intervals as he wasnt a suitable subject for surgery.

He led a very fulfilled life until his last four months, when he deteriorated considerably.    Here's to you having a while yet with Licky.   :)
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 02, 2014, 10:09:43 AM
so pleased that licky is ok.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Liz on May 02, 2014, 11:24:00 AM
Glad that he is fine, I am trying to get Clio feral stable again as my vets are happy to operate on her so that I am not having to stalk her to take tablets and think of new ways to hide them, she will be 16 years young in September

My MIL's cat had his thyroid removed at 18 with good results as well, have to say that Vitalda is expensive compared to felimezole just looked at the vets bill for March and scared myself as bills for the last 3 months are now in to 4 figures but have had 3 dentals, 3 spay and chips and the normal injections and bootster
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on May 02, 2014, 13:51:47 PM
Crikey Liz, I think the vets should be paying you a loyalty bonus!

Clio, Licky and Stezzle  :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Liz on May 02, 2014, 14:43:25 PM
Its not bad for a 3 month period all things considered and also have a box of needles a month and Insulin for Miss Millie diabetic
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on May 02, 2014, 20:13:43 PM
Got back from the vets and he is very impressed with Licky. He weighs 2.5kg which is a good increase from the 2.3kg. He looks better and more energy and life in his eyes. He is hydrated and going back in 2 weeks to his check up and bloods. Only got a whole kg to put back on. Licky is small for a male cat and averages at 3.5kg but he has a big personality.Thank you everyone for your support, well wishes and advice.
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 02, 2014, 22:24:19 PM
So pleased he is doing well  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: sheilarose on May 03, 2014, 08:34:14 AM
How is the nausea, Stezzle? One of mine has just been diagnosed HT and is on Felimazole to start, I'm giving him 2 doses at 12 hour intervals. Did your vet say to split the Vidalta dosage?

Sending huge cuddles and more vibes to Licky and hope he's really turned it around.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on May 03, 2014, 14:47:55 PM
How is the nausea, Stezzle? One of mine has just been diagnosed HT and is on Felimazole to start, I'm giving him 2 doses at 12 hour intervals. Did your vet say to split the Vidalta dosage?

Sending huge cuddles and more vibes to Licky and hope he's really turned it around.  :hug: :hug:

Hi Sheila. Licky has done nothing but eat today. He was sick the first two days and lucky no tablets came back up. He said if he was bring them up to split over two doses a day but licky is coping well on the one. He use to take them in treats but at present shows no sign of interest in such food apart from sachets. We are using a pill popper since i nearly lost a finger. We would rather stress him out once aday then several over 24hours just for tablets. As long as your cat is getting the full dose over 24hours then it should not be a problem but with Vidalta it has to be given the same times every day.
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Kay and Penny on May 03, 2014, 14:58:21 PM
for the six weeks before he had the radioactive iodine treatment, I gave Trigger 2 Felimazole tablets each day, and he never showed any sign of a reaction to them, so here's hoping your cats will be fine too
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Stezzle on June 02, 2014, 14:34:13 PM
I know its been a while but just wanted to give you a little up date on Liquorice. He weighing in at 3.2kgs now and still eating 4 meals a day. By his own choice he is a garden cat and likes to sunbath on the chair. We are all very happy. Xxx
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: heather sullivan on July 11, 2014, 22:35:12 PM
thats great news, glad he is feeling better and putting on weight ;D
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: sheilarose on July 11, 2014, 23:53:15 PM
Beau is loving his Felimazole wrapped in Shiphams paste! The flavour is immaterial to him although I prefer the chicken over the fish cos it doesn't make my fingers stink  :sick:

This beats pill popping every time and would be well worth a try, at only 35p a pot which lasts a whole week? What's not to like?
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Liz on July 12, 2014, 08:09:15 AM
Max used to love that then I ran out of the stuff and only had M & S Tuna pate so he got the tablet in that and 18 months down the line him and kali kitten eat a tub of it themselves a week and I can't stand the stuff anymore :shocked: :rofl:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Miroslav on July 12, 2014, 09:35:28 AM
Great to hear things are looking more positive  :wow:
Title: Re: Quick thyroid advice!
Post by: Rosella moggy on July 12, 2014, 09:54:06 AM
Isn't it just great when they associate pills with treats  ;D  Some years ago our Gandolf needed a little blue painkiller pill daily (pre metacam days) but we used to also give him a little dried food fish shaped bit of kibble that he use to adore (can no longer source them).  He used to gobble up his pill in readiness for his treat immediately after  :)