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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2007, 19:19:22 PM »
Pete,

I remember last year on a thread you said "The cat comes first" - its that simple and if people only worked on that premise, its amazing how simple a lot of decisions would be. I hate beaurocrats at the best of times but what sickens me is jobsworths who hide behind rules & regs (eg Local Councils ). Thats why I would only support local charities and have no time for national ones.
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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2007, 15:24:59 PM »
Mark,

When an animal is suffering because of bureaucracy and the jobsworth mentality, I fight dirty with the gloves off. I call it my contingency list which I always hope that I won't have to use but am more than ready to do should the need arise.
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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2007, 15:19:34 PM »
Hi all,

My apologies for all the typos. Hopefully this has fewer! I had to type the thread quickly as my boss was in the immediate vicinity; she is a bit of a tyrant.

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rules are  "For the guidance of wise men. and the blind obedience of fools". Ela's comments are even more poignant today when life and attitudes are wrapped up in red tape and 'Jobsworths' rule the day.

The whole situation was just incredible and I do confess to getting angry when red tape clouds matters and judgment. As a  Liability Insurance underwriter I fully understand health and safety issues and their importance. I often have to draw clients attention to them. However, those rules in the wrong hands and thus interpretation makes a serious subject a laughing stock. The increase in H & S orders, etc is born out of the blame culture which paralyses this country.

The fact is that the Surrey Brigade will only provide vehicle and equipment support when an RSPCA officer is present. The service won't risk fireman climbing ladders and injuring themselves for an animal but will provide the ladders, etc for an RSPCA inspector to climb. The RSPCA allow their inspectors to climb fire service ladders in those circumstances. I told the officer that if they would only come out with an RSPCA inspector they will never go out as the RSPCA have no sense of concern or urgency. Sadly but hardly surprisingly that reflected his own experience.

The London fire service are not bound by such rules in this situation and apply a common sense approach...... Thank God.  :welcome:

I would pose the question to those in rescue -  What is the position is in their neck of the woods. Forewarned is forearmed.

The firemen themselves are absolutely brilliant and rightly cherished in the UK. It seems clear to me that common sense judgment calls which they are experienced at making has gone out of the window with more restrictive health and safety orders. Technically, I suppose, they could be disciplined if they didn't follow them. What a world!

Nick,

I used to be a fund raiser for the local Cats Protection group but am one of a growing number in the UK who are banned by that organisation from serving on a committee for having the audacity for seeking financial clarity on a local matter. I'll say no more than that as I took legal advice. The group now have another fundraiser who I think will be excellent but she is experiencing a number of local difficulties of  a different nature. It really doesn't have to be like this and is refreshing to see the CP volunteers on this site and their views. I wish I had lived in their branch areas. Que sera.

I work from the simple base that the cat comes first and everything supports that or should be made &/or designed to support that. Some work the opposite way where the cat is almost the last consideration which I simply don't understand or accept.

Thanks for the idea about the cherry picker. I had never thought about that. In a situation when when time may is on your side, it is certainly worth considering. That is what I like about this site. Everybody combines thoughts and experience and has a lot to share.
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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2007, 21:46:49 PM »
Great job and  :censored: idiots with the rspca badges  >:(

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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2007, 19:38:09 PM »
 :attention: :attention: :attention: :attention: Well done to everyone involved and  :cheeky: to the RSPCA
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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2007, 18:21:51 PM »
 :bum: PCA    :evillaugh:
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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2007, 17:35:58 PM »
excellent idea !   :evillaugh:

you'd make a good fund raiser lol :rofl:

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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2007, 17:07:56 PM »
wow I want you on my team and on my side when the chips are down  :evillaugh:  well done for persistance. You sound like me,there is no such word in my vocab as can't . I'll move the earth to find a way .
Next time anyone has this sort of problem there is another possible alternative to consider. There are a lot of electrical/telecommunication vans that have a cradle hoist on the roof you might try a bit of yellow pages searching for a company that has one of these vans ,and you can aways hire a `cherry picker' from a local plant hire shop for half a day.
If its delivered the operator would probably do it for you if you explain the use its being put to.They might even hire it free ?!

Especially if you call in the local press with a promise of a mention of their name - as a bonus, it would be an opportunity to name & shame those who wouldn't help.
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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2007, 17:03:40 PM »
wow I want you on my team and on my side when the chips are down  :evillaugh:  well done for persistance. You sound like me,there is no such word in my vocab as can't . I'll move the earth to find a way .
Next time anyone has this sort of problem there is another possible alternative to consider. There are a lot of electrical/telecommunication vans that have a cradle hoist on the roof you might try a bit of yellow pages searching for a company that has one of these vans ,and you can aways hire a `cherry picker' from a local plant hire shop for half a day.
If its delivered the operator would probably do it for you if you explain the use its being put to.They might even hire it free ?!
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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
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Re: Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2007, 12:02:56 PM »
Incredible.


Luckily there are some people willing to bend rules for the right reasons - as Ela says, rules are  "For the guidance of wise men. and the blind obedience of fools"
In this case (and many others) the RSPCA are certainly not wise men.

Lets hope kitty gets over her ordeal

 :Flowers: To all the people that helped

 :bum: To the RSPCA
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Rescued cat despite abyssmal RSPCA reaction
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2007, 11:34:16 AM »
I have been kept very busy on the local missing cat front recently heence little or no time to come on this site. The last of the local cats has been found.

He had crossesd two roads and been chased up a tree in a large local park by a dog. The tree was situated in an area where he could have remained unnoticed due to being about 100yards from a pathway. Thankfully the dog owner had alerted the local vet they made the right link from their Missing cat register.

Now the problem with little guy is that he had been referred by the family vet to a specialist vet as he was having seizures. He had an MRI scan and was prescribed a drog - whose name escapes me right now - but which has to be administered every 12 hours. Lynnwould probably know it instantly.

Now this is a beautiful very tall Oak tree in its prime and he was outside normal double ladder distance. Time for the RSPCA you may think? Nope! They were simply not interested in helping despite the medical problem, the fact that he had been missing for 8 days and thought to have been up the tree for about 5 days. They would try to send somebody today. The owner had spoken to them and was gobsmacked at there lack of care or understanding. Sadly, more and more animal lovers will not be.

Right says I? Phone the Fire Service? Shall we say that a frank exchange of views followed as they wouldn't initially provide help, which left me no alternative but to instigate, sahll we just say, last resort tactics.

The position with the local Surrey brigade is that they will come out but only with an RSPCA inspector. They will provide the ladders, etc but the RSPCA inspector has to climb it and perform the rescue. It is tied to haelth and safety legislation and I understand the issues. They did eventually send somebody out and he was helpful although wrapped up with rules and regulations. We both agreed that the RSPCA would not come out and that was clearly not a new experience to him which effectively meant taht his team couldn't help.

The Officer was looking for a solution and had an idea based on the fact that I know Fire Rescue teams will help. The ones I cited come under London not Surrey. The park borders both London & Surrey brigades. In the end another local team came out with a tender. They did not belong to Surrey but came under London. End of story; cat rescued; badl malnourished and dehydrated and clearly wanting to come down. He is going to the vets today for a thorough check up.

A big thank you is due to

1. the fire service in Sutton who were of great positive help;
2. the fire officer from Epsom for using lateral thinking;
3. the park supervisor for keeping the park open beyond normal hours and for climbing the ladders trying to entice the cat down and
4. to a local decorator who did his best but his ladders were fartoo short.

As for the RSPCA......... :censored:I'll stop there but this is a family site. And these are the people charged with policing the Animal Welfare Bill - don't make me laugh or more realistically cry. 100% pathetic.

So my message is be very very persistant in these circumstances. I am sure the will to
help is there with the fire service but you need to get around the red tape which they and the rest of us seem to live under tying up our everyday life.
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