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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: karenjet on March 05, 2007, 12:12:55 PM
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I've been feeding a stray kitten for a couple of months now, but lately she's been hanging round more and more, so I let her in and in she's stayed. I've asked around and no-one seems to know who owns her, and no collar. so I think she's been abandoned by someone.
The thing is, she's pregnant. Or I think she is. She's very small still, I'd say about 6 months old, her belly's gotten bigger, her nipples have about trebled in size and she's eating double what she was. Her tummy also feels hard. I'm happy to keep her, assuming nobody claims her, and one of her kittens too. After being quite wild at first she's gotten to be really affectionate. She's become a house cat, I've got a litterbox for her and she seems happy here. I can't afford to take her to the vet for another 2 weeks though, and I'm scared she'll give birth before that. What do I do to prepare? How will I know when she's ready to give birth, and what do I do to to help? I'm also worried cos she's so small the kittens will be stillborn, although she seems perfectly healthy, and I feed her well. Any advice would be much appreciated!
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if you are willing to take responsibility of this little one then first thing first,.,she needs a thorough health check at the vets !!!!! PRIORITY !!!
she will need appropriate worming for pregnant queens etc and generally before us going into long speels of what to do / not do you could be down at the vets this afternoon or tomorrow and gets it from the horses mouth themselves. If spending out money etc seems abit unfair then perhaps you could go and phone your local cpl to see if they could offer any assistance ?
She should be being fed on a high quality cat food, you could even give her a high quality brand of kitten food.
if you are keeping her then keeping her in prior to partuition would be best so she doesnt have the kittens outside (if you cannot accomodate this then again cpl or local cat rescue may be a better option) as in inexperience little cat may often not know what to do with them and leave them..they'd die quickly without milk and warmth. Of course you'll need to arm yourself with knowledge on cat labour stages and what signs to look out for and problems that may occur, when to call vet etc. Most cats labour sucessfully on their own even the smallest ones but never the less you need to know what COULD go wrong.
When you take her to the vets best you write down a long list of questions first to so you remember to ask all you want to know, and also treatments regarding worming the kittens / artificial kitten formula / feeding bottles etc etc should there be problems with mum feeding.
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ps she also needs to be scanned for an id chip altho i doubt she got one she should still be scanned at the vets.
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I agree that she really should be checked over at a vets asap - is there anyone you can ask for a loan - not sure how much £ you'd need but our vets charge £23 for a consultation.
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Hi Karen
:welcome: to Purrs.
Well done for taking this little one in. She obviously needs a warm caring home and has bonded with you well.
Do you have a pdsa vet or local Cat protection in your area ? The PDSA help with pets for people on benefits with lower vet fees or as Lynn has said your local CP could help you get her checked over quickly. You could also ring your local vets to see if they can help with delaying the fee for a couple of weeks.
Where abouts are you hun? There's a big database of cat rescue and PDSA vets on the Cat chat site here http://www.catchat.org/adoption/index.html
Let us know how you and little one gets on. When ya both ready, we would love to see a pic of her ;D
What are ya going to call her?
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I agree that a vet check ASAP is the wisest course of action. If she is only 6 months and very pregnant it is not good. As mentioned perhaps you could ask your local CP to help with the cost. I know I would if you lived near here. If she needs spaying CP should give you a voucher and if you can afford nothing they can pay the full cost with the new Yellow Voucher system.
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Thanks alot for the advice everyone. Six months is total guesswork on my part. I've never kept cats before. I had a dog for 12 years who passed away in September, and I swore there'd be no more pets but this little lady kinda found me! She is a lovely little thing though and I'm so pleased to have her.
I've called her Jasmine and here she is (I think I've attached it to this)
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/kareno81/Jasmine-resized.jpg)
Thanks a million for that link, Tan, there's a sanctuary type place in my home town that I didn't even know about. It says calls after 6pm so I'll give them a ring then. I live in Ireland.
I do feed her good food. And have wormed her, I also got stuff for fleas but she doesn't have any.
I'm quite excited at the prospect of having kittens around the place, but am worried about her too. I've set up boxes, one in an old wardrobe upstairs with no clothes in it, and one in a cupboard downstairs she likes to lay in sometimes, but from what I've seen online they choose their own place and get on with it.
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she is a sweetie, if I was you I would have to keep her too.
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ah she's lovely and from the pic does look to be in good condition.
will you be taking her to a vet like we all advised ??
be careful with treatments that they are appropriate for use on pregnant cats wont you, and also jsut to let you know that pet shop / supermarket treatments DONT WORK so please dont waste your money and get decent stuff that your vet will sell or online ie VETS UK
does she use a litter tray ?? im just worried since she's not been with you too long she will take off somewhere and have the babies outside, its much better to have her "housebound" during this time. and also re the vet visit...they'll be able to give you good time scale when they are due and tell you when you can book her in to get spayed...or she;ll be pregnant again in no time.
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I seem to recall (although I would double check first) that Stronghold is ok to use on pregnant and lactating cats. If it's not then just combine Frontline spot on (for fleas) with Milbemax worming tablets as these are both fine to use.
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Ooo karen she is georgeous :wow: ;D ;D
Great to have ya with us from over the water, i love the Irish accent :)
Hopefully the rescue in your home town can help with vet fees for Jasmine. Great name for her ;D
She does look healthy and no fleas is great. As Lottie says though the stuff you can buy at the shops aren't good for worms or fleas (except I have heard Frontline is starting to appear in shops now). They dont work very well. I use stronghold drop on a month which also covers some worms and ear mites as well as fleas.
Theres loads of freindly mad cat slaves :shify: on here that can give ya advice and support, so if you have lots of questions, we'd be really pleased to help all we can.
Ya wont look back now you let her into your life , well , take over your life :rofl: ;) ;D ;D
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Well...I rang the sanctuary, they can't help with vet fees at the moment, but are sending me a voucher to have her neutered afterwards. So I asked a friend for the lend of money to take her to the vet, no problem, rang the vet and they've got no appointments until the 15th, although they said to phone everyday to check for cancellations which is what I'm gonna do. I also borrowed a cat carrier. So now I need more advice, please. She's none too fond of strangers, my friend tried to pet her the other day and she darted away so fast she went skidding across the floor :rofl: Is there something I could put into the carrier to calm her, her blanket or toys maybe?
I'm also a bit worried that she'll have a chip when I take her to the vet, and that someone owns her. I really hope not because I've fallen for her now, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
It is stuff I got from the pet shop for worms, so I'll mention that to the vet when I go.
She does use the littertray and seems to have no interest in going outside now. I'll be keeping her in from here on in. I'm worried enough about all this without her disappearing on me.
You'll all regret welcoming me with the 1000's of questions I'm gonna have :rofl:
Thanks!
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Karen we are all in the chat of ya wanna pop in ask away any thing hun
x
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rang the vet and they've got no appointments until the 15th,
That is outrageous
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I agree with Ela that it is outrageous to wait that long for an app - is there any other vets in the area you could go to?
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Indeed - doesnt the vet have emergency appointments avaliable? Ours always have an apmt at the end (when they're meant to be closing) in case of an emergency - and to be honest a cat which you've found and is pregnant and needs looking at would be classed that in my eyes.
I'd have a look in your directory or online to see if there are any other vets in the local area to you if your friend is being kind enough to lend you the money.
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find anouther vet
i know i can always get in at mine even if i have to sit and wait
ring em again and insist say that your worried and need advice or just turn up .... i would
we go to vets 4 pets they are all over look on the web and find anouther if they wont let you go
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Karen lives in Ireland and she said last night she doesnt drive and another vet is 8 miles away. I believe in Ireland they dont tend to love cats as much as us,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Karen does but not the nation as a whole. I seem to remember a plea for help on CC from Ireland cos they do not have the amount of rescues and stuff that we have.
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Hi Karen,
You appear to be doing everything right and Jasmine is very content at the moment.
My cat had three litters so if you want to give me a ring for a chat you would be very welcome.
I will send you a personal message with my phone number.
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What a day!
I rang the vet just before their 2 o'clock surgery to check for cancellations, and they told me to bring her in at 5. I don't think it was even a proper appointment but I'd said it was urgent, and had already rang at 9 to check for cancellations in their morning surgery.
Yeah, like I told Gill the next nearest vet is 8 miles away and I don't drive, this one is a 2 minute walk away.
But, anyway, get to the point! She's definitely pregnant, due in the next week, he said it's impossible to tell exactly but to expect them in the next week, fortnight maximum. He really put my mind at rest because he said there's no reason at all to think they'll be stillborn. Just like in any species they can be but there's no reason to think she'll be more likely. She's a small cat but not abnormally so, she's just going to be a slight cat. He estimated her being about 9 months old. He checked her all over and said she looks healthy. And thank God, he scanned her and she's not chipped, so I'm keeping her ;D
He gave me worming tablets, but she has no sign of fleas. I told him I'd got kitten food to give to her today but he said to leave it now until after she's had them, because it would make the kittens very big.
I feel a bit guilty because the consultation only cost £8, if I'd thought it would be that little I could've taken her a while ago.
I think that was all, except to bring her in to be neutered 8 weeks after she's had them, and to bring her back if there are any problems. And also to set up a warm corner for her, and when the time comes to just let her get on with it.
Plus, she did soooo well, I was well-impressed with her, given what she's like with strangers. She was nervous and her hair all stood up when someone came in with a dog, but she was nice and quiet in the carrier.
So....the panic could start anytime!
I'd never thought Ireland wasn't fond of cats to be honest. And I have to admit I'd never been a huge cat lover myself. I didn't dislike them but the only one we'd had was when I was little. But Miss Jasmine's a lil gem, I love her to bits!
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Karen what great news ... so pleased Miss Jasmine is OK and has been checked over by the vet.
Can't wait to hear how it all goes with the birth ..... have you had chance to read up on what to expect etc and what to look for (I know you have had contact with some of the members privately - so I'm sure you have had lots of excellent advice from them).
All the best and big <<gentle>> hugs to Jasmine :)
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Wow thats great Karen, so pleased you got her in if they are due so soon ;D
You know where we all are, and check the cats basket, when the kittens are coming cos we have stayed up to the early hours with one birth already and there are loads of helpful peeps like you found last night.
Hope that all goes well with Miss Jasmine and the kittens, and the vet sounds good , so close amd soooooo cheap ;D ;D
keep us up to date
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Glad everything seems to be working out okay :)
So lovely that you are so intent on keeping the little lady - I think all us cat lovers wish there were more people like you!
Look forward to seeing the kittens and mummy cat looks gorgeous!! :hug:
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Thanks everyone. I have been reading up constantly on what to expect when the babies come. I think the biggest problem will be me panicking, because it doesn't take much to be honest. I was literally shaking all afternoon before taking her to the vet. It could either be the vet, or one of you great people, I'm sorry if I forgot who but my head's swimming here, said to keep an eye out for her mucus plug, and that I should know by her acting strangely that the time's come. I think I've gotten to know her little ways quite well now so I should know if there's something out of the ordinary. I'd really like to see them being born, but I understand most cats like to get on with things themselves.
I've got Yvonne's number, and know the chatroom's here, and I'll be very glad of you all. I am already :hug:
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WELL DONE KAREN
That consultation was cheep mine are about twenty quid :shify:
she sounds like shes in good nik for a stray , well done for keeping her
good luck and keep us informed
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Hi karenjet my cat had kittens yesterday and all day she was meowing at us, following me ever where, so we put her in the box we made and she didn't want us to leave her (very strange) that night she had them in front of us, not before i thought she had a mouse in her month and had a panic attack ;D ;D, but all was fine and she had three kittens.
good luck and keep us all updated
regards
Kerri
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Fantastic new s KJ :yesss:
Soo glad shes in good health and you are her perminate slave :evillaugh: :evillaugh: :Luv:
Cant wait to hear how she gets on with her little ones. Are ya still gonna keep one of the kittens?
:Luv: :Luv:
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Aww, I am glad that you have got her to the vets - it is a shame she is pregnant so young though, fingers crossed for her, some mums do struggle with being so young, some dont, you will just have to see how she adapts. I would start feeding her kitten food - it wont make the kittens too big, as she is due so soon, but it will help build her up in readiness to be feeding x number of kittens.
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Well I really didn't think it'd be so cheap, I remember consulations for my dog being £7..something, but this was 10 odd years ago, and it had cost me £150 to have one of his teeth extracted not so long ago, so I didn't think that vet was cheap.
Congrats on your kitties, Kerri, was it her first litter? Jasmine never meows, I've only heard the tiniest squeak from her, usually in the mornings when I'm not fast enough at putting her food into her bowl, but I've been hearing alot that the cat tends to follow you around when she's in labour.
All being well I'm definitely gonna keep one of the kittens, Tan!
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Any News on Jas KJ. Hows she doin? :Luv:
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Not yet, Tan! But for the past two nights when she's been in bed with me I've been able to feel them move! :wow:
There's no odd behaviour or anything yet. I'm as ready as I'll ever be for it. You'll all be the first to know!
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awwwwww karen it must be lovely to feel the babies move inside of her
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It's kinda weird! I thought at first it was just her food digesting or something, but it's definitely movements. Poor lil girl must be fed up of me feeling her belly!
Those babies having a party in her tummy aren't stopping her sleeping anyway...
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/kareno81/Jasmineasleep.jpg)
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Awwwww Karen what a beautiful pic :Luv:
Can't wait to hear all about the kittens. Please give the gorgeous mum-to-be a gentle cuddle from me xx
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awwwwwww lovely pic
cant wait to c the pics of the kittens and hear all about them
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I've been watching videos of cats giving birth on you tube and have scared the :censored: out of myself! Seems to be the cats having their first litters are in a terrible way. There was one where after an hour the kitten still wasn't out so the man had to pull them out for her. Is this rare?
Do any of you fancy popping across the water to be here when the time comes? I could be doing with it, my nerves are away here :rofl:
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I am sure everything will be Ok but you do need to have the vets emergency number to hand, just in case there is a problem.
From the other birth we had on here, well think it was on Cat Chat the site we all came from, the first kitten did not appear for some time and there was a big space betweeen all the kittens coming . So this will give you time to get logged on here and lets peeps know that she is giving birth and I am sure peeps with knowledge and some without will hang around to help you and give advice.
I believe most cats just know what to do but sometimes they need a bit of assistance.
I am sure what you have seen on videoes are the worst cases and not the best, so dont worry.
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Well aside from that birth, and another stillbirth, they were all just straightforward things. It's just the cat being in pain that got me, I'd really hate to see, and hear, Jasmine like that.
I've got the vet's emergency number in my phone still from when I had my dog.
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Karen - as in humans, there isn't a set way things will happen - some cats have problems, others dont. Do have the number at hand to be on the safe side and fingers crossed she has no probs.
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I've got the vet's emergency number
And access to a load of cash just in case. I receive a number of phone calls each year about cats needing emergency ops. Some cost hundreds and if we think it is the owners irresponsibility that the cat got pregnant (you know the sort of thing unneutered tom and female in the same house, possible brother and sister or mum and son as they don't do that sort of thing do they, the owners are often gob smacked when I tell they do) we will only pay if we have the cat. The money we have is given for Cats Protection cats and therefore using it for owned cats could be seen as a misappropriation of funds. (neuter/spay cost are different as that comes from a different fund). If the cat was taken in as a very pregnant stray and we feel it has a future at the home then things may be different and I can think of a way to work things out.
One Cesarean cost us over £400 due to complications and none of the kittens made it.
What made it annoying is that the cat was purposely allowed to get pregnant then the owner expected us to pay the bill. When you have not got the funds why on earth do people take these risks, well actually it is not them is it? Their cats life is the risk taker.
I appreciate the cat in this topic was a stray. However, I would advise anyone who thinks they are feeding a stray to make sure it is a stray and take the appropriate action ASAP. Suggestions how to do this are on my site (address below), obviously some of the telephone numbers will be different.
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I did all I could think of to make sure she was a stray, asked round neighbours, rang the vets and checked the lost and found in the paper regularly.
We don't have PDSA over here so any treatment she might need I will have to pay for myself. I'm trying to do my best by this cat.
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did all I could think of to make sure she was a stray
I am sure you did, however what i was trying to say is that many people feed what they may think a stray for a long time, when if they found out for sure the cat could either be placed on a list of cats waiting to come in at a rescue and the very least neutered and spayed while it is on the waiting list so the problem is not even bigger. Or the person keeping the stray has a neutered/spayed cat. Do you live in Northern Ireland? If so there is a Cats Protection and you should be able to get a voucher for the spay when the time comes
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Ela: i cant believe people have the cheek to ring up the cpl and ask if they can help towards a medical emergency im sorry but thats taking the :censored: , if someone is on low inome then the pdsa are there to help with medical emergencys .
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Please peeps can we keep this thread on topic and that is Karens pregnant cat and advice, no outside isues cos the kittens are due anytime and karen is very worried cos she has never been in this situation before.
Thanks ;D
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yes sorry Gill.
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Karen, having never encountered a cat giving birth I won't be able to give much advice with regards to that matter. What I do want to say is well done for taking on this little one when she needed someone the most. She doesn't look especially old to me and it must be pretty scary for her.
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Usually cats give birth fairly easily. Unlike human birth, where we have to push out an enormous head, kittens come in nice bullet-shaped packages, easily pushed through the birth canal. There can be problems if one becomes stuck due to the mother being too young and having an extremely small pelvis. This happened to Samantha (while she was still at the cat rescue). She was very young and her kittens got stuck, needing an emergency ceaser. I was told that her name came from the nurse who took care of her after the op. The main problem she had was that she didn't recognise the kittens as her kittens, so didn't initially mother them. Polly helped. She was a nervous feral who had spent her time raising kittens, but was picked on by the other cats at the rescue - Samantha defended her - so she helped Samantha wash and mother her kits until Sam got the idea.
It's unlikely you'll have such problems. Cats have easier births than us. They purr throughout it.
Good luck.
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Thank you, JackSpratt.
Oh God, I hope Jasmine's little pelvis is big enough for her babies. The vet said she wasn't too small, so I don't know.I have problems with my nerves and all this isn't doing them much good.
Still no signs of labour, she seemed to be having trouble getting comfortable earlier but she's settled again now.
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I had a quick look at some of the you tube vids. It seemed that there was too much interference from humans, and this was stressing the mother. The only cat I've had who has given birth while in my care did it in the bottom of a very large airing cupboard before I knew anything about it! I was very young at the time, she was my 'first' cat. When I came home from school there was a sign on the cupboard saying 'Do Not Disturb: Cat and Kittens'.
I would suggest that when your cat gives birth you leave her to get on with it. Look in on her every 15mins or so, but don't interfere unless there has been no progress for some time. Cats are good at birthing, and are natural mothers.
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Hello Karenjet.I have just had a 9 month old Siamese rescue give birth to 4 kittens with no problems at all apart from being a bit puzzled about what to do with them for the first day but she seems to have worked it all out now.She had them under my bed and seems to have decided that is where she will stay with them.
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I would go off her reactions - some mum cats want you with them all the time, and wont do anything unless you are in the room, so if she frets and wants to come out with you, then sit in there with her, if not, check every so often as hippy says.
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Thanks for the advice.
I thought that myself in one, HappyKitty. There's one where the cat's on the floor with about 6 girls sat in a circle around her.
She's acting a bit strangely this morning. She's been meowing - but Jasmine's meow which is more picture than sound, just a little squeaky noise - and she's been scratching at the kitchen cupboard doors. Does this sound like she could be on her way?
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I think it sounds like she is getting ready to nest, so next day or so ;D
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Well nothing more as of yet. She's just acting normally. I'll keep you posted :)
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The suspense is killing me lol ;D
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Haha, part of me just wants it over, and another part thinks nooooooo, can't cope with this!
I've had more people tell me about their 'friend's, sister's, boyfriend's, grandmother's, best friend's cat' today. How they've rejected their babies, all been stillborn, had two heads, etc etc etc. I'm gonna have to start telling people to shut up, I think.
Should I get some replacement milk and a cat bottle? Just in case, the vet didn't mention it but maybe I should?
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I've had more people tell me about their 'friend's, sister's, boyfriend's, grandmother's, best friend's cat' today. How they've rejected their babies, all been stillborn, had two heads, etc etc etc. I'm gonna have to start telling people to shut up, I think.
I know exactly what you mean, but that is life isn't it? A bit like when you are pregnant, most people just say Oh! the pain when I had my xxxxxxxxx and tell you all the gory details. I usually find that many of these people had babies like shelling peas from a pod, yet the people who really did go through the mill and perhaps are lucky to be alive (me included) keep our gobs shut as we know that the experience is different for most people.
Yes it is a good idea to have a box of Cimicat or something like that and at least a syringe, then if needed you could always get a cat bottle when the shops open.
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Hi Karen, My little cat just give birth not long ago, she is very small for her age and i thought she would have problems. When the time came she was scared as she didnt no what was happening, just keep talking to her and she will be fine as it comes naturally to cats. good luck. x :Luv:
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Should I get some replacement milk and a cat bottle? Just in case, the vet didn't mention it but maybe I should?
Its not a bad idea, just incase!
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Any news Karen, when is she due?
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Good luck Karen, best wishes for the impending arrivals ... I'm sure everything will go smoothly :)
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That's so true, Ela. When I had my first baby the world and it's wife wanted to tell me all these horror stories. It beats me why people do that.
Thank you, Jo and billy and baggy's dad.
The vet said 9 days ago that they should be here within a week, a fortnight maximum. I can't wait for it all to be over her. She was laying in bed with me last night and you could see one poking out of her side. But there've been no more signs, she's been very lazy all day today, just sleeping on her favourite chair.
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That's so true, Ela. When I had my first baby the world and it's wife wanted to tell me all these horror stories. It beats me why people do that.
I should had added in my post that whenever people asked me what it was like, I just used to say Oh! I don't know I was asleep, I just forgot to tell the about the 12 hours or so before I was hit on the head with a hammer to make me sleep.
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Fingers crossed.
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Best of luck :Luv:
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Just read this whole post............so excited for you.
All the best to you and Jasmine xxxx
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I should had added in my post that whenever people asked me what it was like, I just used to say Oh! I don't know I was asleep, I just forgot to tell the about the 12 hours or so before I was hit on the head with a hammer to make me sleep.
I always say if it was that bad nobody would have a second.
Well Miss Jasmine is looking thoroughly fed up. She hasn't bothered much with anything today. She's eating ok, but just looks miserable. I wish there was something I could do for her :(
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Awwwwwwwwwww give her a cuddle from me
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It does look like shes near her time. So give her a cuddle from me too :hug: I always have this thing about boiling water, when in the old films the husband was sent to boil it. Do you think Jasmines partner will be going off to get some?
Daft comment, just keep her calm and dont panic yourself, it will be ok :Luv:
She
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The boiling water was probably for a cup of tea, to keep the husband out of the way! :rofl:
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It's not daft! A couple of people have asked if I'm getting the boiling water and towels ready. I'm half thinking of getting her a good hot curry to see if it'll shift her :rofl:
Just gave her cuddles from Gill and shecat. She purred a thank you :Luv:
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Hi Karen has jasmine had her little babies yet? :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Hi Karen
Dying to know if Jas has had her babes yet? How ya all doin?
:Luv:
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Definately. Any kittens yet, Karen? :)
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Any kittens yet, Karen?
Please don't mention the K word today, late last night I had a call from someone who has a heavily pregnant cat age 2, she can't keep it as she can't be doing with kittens. The sad thing is by the time they are 8 weeks old we will we will receive no calls for kittens, often we don't receive a call for a kitten in a month at that time, yet just now we are receiving between 300 & 400 calls a month . Also how come she found my phone number now when she doesn't want the cat but didn't phone me when the cat needed to be spayed. Mind you that is always the case.
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Please don't mention the K word today.....
Sorry, Ela. Kinda what the threads about. ;D
I had a call from someone who has a heavily pregnant cat age 2, she can't keep it as she can't be doing with kittens. The sad thing is by the time they are 8 weeks old we will we will receive no calls for kittens, often we don't receive a call for a kitten in a month at that time, yet just now we are receiving between 300 & 400 calls a month . Also how come she found my phone number now when she doesn't want the cat but didn't phone me when the cat needed to be spayed.
Can't be doing with the kittens? Then why wasn't her cat spayed? Honestly, some people just don't think things through. And you get calls for kittens seasonally? How odd. Even odder, as you pointed out, was the owner being unable to find your number until this situation arose.
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And you get calls for kittens seasonally
We get hundreds of calls a month for kittens from late November until about May, but it is at that time we don't have so many in as so many people want kittens that the owners of cats with kittens can find their own 'good homes', well most think they have. The rest of the year we are inundated with pregnant cats and litters of kittens but receive very few call for kittens I really have known a full month were we have not had one single call for a kitten.
was the owner being unable to find your number until this situation arose.
My number is widely published, it in in the freebie paper each week, except the last 2 weeks in December and it is in the Yellow pages and of course on posters in our shop and all the vets know it.
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My number is widely published, it in in the freebie paper each week, except the last 2 weeks in December and it is in the Yellow pages and of course on posters in our shop and all the vets know it.
I was agreeing with you. It's ridiculous she let it get to that stage before she called.
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Sorry I missed reading the Even odder bit :-[
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It's fine, it's pretty easy to overlook things when you speed read!
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karen, hows things, any kittens yet?
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karen are you ok ? any news yet ? i hope everythings ok , sasha x
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Karen,
Just reading through this post hope everything is okay ...?
We are all getting worried now ( well i am ) hope Jasmine is okayxx
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Had an email from Karen,no kittens as yet but mum is happy and healthy.
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I'm sorry, I hadn't gotten any reply notifications, and I had no news to post about.
Still no kittens, she hasn't really gotten any bigger in the last week or so, but still her happy little self.
If there's nothing by Monday I'm going back to the vets. It's been almost 5 weeks since he said she had a week to go, surely he couldn't be that far out?
Btw, I dreamt last night that she had the kittens in the kitchen sink, 2 ginger tabbys, 2 grey tabbys and a black and white one.
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Yes seems a long way off but wonder if something has gone wrong, or maybe not expecting?
Sorry no expert but hope vet sorts it out , good luck :hug: :hug:
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Oh she's expecting alright, if you feel her tummy you can feel them plain as day. Occasionally you can feel one kinda sticking out of her side. Last night I felt one moving around when I touched it.
My "cat expert" of a sister in law says they've probably died inside her and she's yet to miscarry them. I'm doing my best to ignore her, and besides I know at least one of them is alive.
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when did we think these kittens were due ?? and 5 weeks since the vet estimated 1 week to go ? surely she has been back to the vet since then ?
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karen i would definetly take her to the vets asap
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Karen think you need to take her back to see vet as soon as vet is open, dont panic too much at this stage as not all vets are good at ascertaining pregnancy.If Jasmine starts to produce a smelly discharge or shows signs of being unwell you will need to get an urgent appointment. Please dont try examining her yourself as it is best done by vet. If you have felt kitten moving then it is alive.
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Oh, God, I really am panicking now. I'll take her to the vet first thing on Monday. She's not looking at all unwell, and I haven't noticed any kind of discharge, or smell coming from her
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Fingers crossed for Monday xx
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Dont panic but do get her to a vet asap.
If one kitten is moving that sounds good ;D
Lert us know what happens please :hug: :hug:
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Good Luck on Monday to you both. I hope the little one's fine, and the vet was just out with his estimate of how long she had left!
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Good luck for tomorrow.
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Good luck for tomorrow and keep in touch :hug:
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OoooH, I keep checking this thread to see if kits are on way. I'm so concerned for mum and babies. They should get a hurry on. Mum needs a good, gentle talking to. She can't keep the kits to herself forever! :no no:
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Good luck for tomorrow, will be thinking of you.
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Good luck, :hug: as everyones said if kits are moving they are ok. Maybe its too cold and wet outside for Jasmine to let em out.
luv She
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Hope all is well Karen and Jas is just taking her time having those babes.
Will be thinking of you both tomorrow
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Hi Karen, just had a read through the read.
Best of luck at the vet, hopefully they will get to the bottom of this..
Sarah x
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Thanks, everyone.
I'm phoning the vets first thing in the morning and I'm praying they can take her asap.
I was just tidying up the kitchen and she was chasing a red nose round the floor, she's bright as a button, and still eating well. She had her tail up earlier and I was looking for any sign of discharge and can't see anything, she still doesn't smell. I'm worried sick here, but hopefully everything will be fine.
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:rofl: :rofl: poor baby ... I have visions of you following her round and sniffing her to see if she smells!! Sorry shouldn't laugh. If she is eating, drinking and playing happily which she seems to be then I wouldn't worry too much about her and hopefully Mr Vet will be able to get to the bottom of the "kitten delay" tomorrow.
Please keep us informed and hope it all goes well :)
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:rofl: That's what I have been doing!
I'll post asap after the vets to let you all know how we get on. Thanks :)
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She's not well this morning. Her body feels very warm, didn't touch her breakfast and she's bringing up mouthfuls of white foamy stuff. Just rang the vets to say she needs to be seen quickly and they've told me to ring back at 8.50. Fingers crossed they'll say I can bring her over then :scared:
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Oh no. I hope they can fit her in today. Poor little girl - and poor you!
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Oh no. I hope they can fit her in today. Poor little girl - and poor you!
I would think they have no choice.
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I would think they have no choice.
Well, that's just it, you'd think not, but with some vets you never know. :(
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Fingers crossed. I'm hoping that no update means you are at the vets.
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Hope everything goes ok Karen - we are all thinking of you - fingers crossed x
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Phew! :)
Well, I got an appointment at 9.10 and took her. Told him what the last vet told me about how soon they'd be born, and he looked a bit confused and said they can't tell exactly when a cat's due, but it's unusual to be so out with the estimation.
He checked her temperature, heart, and gums and said all was normal. Listened to her belly, and I said I'd felt the kittens move, he asked how recently and I told him yesterday.
I nearly dropped because he said he'd give her a scan. He had to shave a little patch on her tummy and we went into the scanning room.
All's fine! All the kittens are alive and appear to be perfectly healthy. I saw all the heartbeats and them moving on the screen. He said there's a large number for a cat of her size, but he couldn't say an exact number because the way the scan is he could count the same one twice and get it wrong.
He said it's quite normal for them to lose their appetite a bit, and vomit little bits in those last few days because there's no room in there.
And finally, he said there's no cause for concern with her, colour, temperature and heart is all normal, kittens are fine. So I asked him again when to expect them. He said he didn't want to panic me but it's imminent now. Anytime in the next couple of days.
I feel soooo much better now.
Oh, also, I asked him if he thought she'd have any trouble with birthing and he said it's very rare for a cat to have problems. He's been a vet for 9 years and has only performed 2 caesareans.
Thanks so much for your good wishes, everyone :)
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Phew im so pleased everything is ok - i bet thatsd a weight lifted off your shoulders - im sure so many of us have been holding our breaths for news - Im glad everything is fine - keep us posted!!!!
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well thats great news karen and i suspect we wont be here in another 5 wks still waiting :rofl:
How odd for the first vet to have been sooooo off with the estimation but the scan is proof of the pudding.
we should start a sweepstake now :rofl:
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Great news Karen!
You must be so nervous knowing it could be any day now, I'm sure she'll do great though :Luv:
Sarah x
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:rofl: Nooooo, shouldn't be another 5 weeks. If there's nothing by next Monday I'll take her back again. It was so cool to see them on the scan, could see the heartbeats and them moving around, then from the back I could see their little spines :Luv:
Haha, what does the sweepstake involve?
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Wowwww I am so pleased ;D
OK i will go with 7 kittens in 48 hrs :rofl: :rofl:
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I say 5 kittens on thursday (ish :evillaugh:)
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7! :Crazy:
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Ooh can i join in? I will go with 6....before Wednesday morning... :)
Hope it all goes well Karen - are you keeping any/all of them?
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I just told her her purrs aunties and uncles are thinking 5 and 7, she gave me a look as good as a summons so I don't think she's too impressed :rofl:
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Ohh!
I would say 6 kittens by 5pm tomorrow!
So exciting hahaha
S x
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Good news,
Ill say 5 starting at about 4am Wednesday morning (the most inconvenient time most of us have) and she will probably have them on your bed, cos its more comfy :Luv:
Anyway thank goodness everythings ok :hug:
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Excellent news, did they print of the picture of the scan for Jasmine to show her babies when they're older?!
I'm gonna go for 6 babies ;D
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Haha, could I have gotten a picture? I didn't ask, but he didn't even charge me anything so I'm glad I didn't ask about a pic or he might've.
She's out for the count on her favourite chair at the minute, her belly's all crispy from where the gel has dried.
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I was joking about the picture, I doubt they'd have a printer for it :evillaugh: Would have been a nice souvenir though!
Did they charge you anything at all for the visit? Apparently scans are quite expensive, my friend has got a female lab and while she was in season they lost sight of her for 10 seconds and were worried that she may have been pounced upon. She rang the vets to ask about having a scan, can't remember how much it was but it was enough to put my friend off from having it done! The dog has since been spayed and there were no babies!
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the actual usage of scans shouldnt be too expensive but the vet has to recoup the initial expense of it which i should imagine is quite scary since i know what all the blood vet tests machines used to cost.
good on your vet for not charging, maybe they felt guilty about being misguided in the first place
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I was just charged for the basic consulation. That's mainly why I was panicking because I didn't have much money on me. I'm not sure why I wasn't charged for it, but I'm glad I wasn't ;D
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Not like me to miss an opportunity for a good bet!
Hee hee... I go for 6 by 10pm tomorrow night!
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Glad to hear all is well with mummy and her babies on board - sounds like you're going to be busy with all them kitties! :Luv:
and she will probably have them on your bed, cos its more comfy :Luv:
:evillaugh:
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4 and she will have them at midday tomorrow.
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well done karen your mind should be at rest now and good luck
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Am glad there was nothing wrong, good luck in the wait, and hope she doesn't have any probs.
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Phew so pleased everything is OK with mum and babies (and no need for you to keep sniffing her now :rofl: ).
Seeing as we're having a sweep I'll go for 5 kittens between midnight and 6am Wednesday morning.
Big hugs to you and Jasmine. :hug:
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Haha, I'm thinking 5 myself for some reason. What's the prize for this sweepstake?
She's still not eating. She's just laid about all day. She's bright enough and purrs away as usual when I stroke her, but just very lazy and fed-up looking.
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oh we dont do prizes lol , just have loads of fun thinking we the smartest :rofl: :rofl:
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If shes not eating have an early night and you will have a suprise in the morning :)
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and i said 5 first ROFL.
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Glad everything was ok with Mum-to-be :)
I say 5 kittens Wednesday about 2am ;)
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I say eight and she'll have them tomorrow at some point. :sneaky:
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eight? :Crazy:
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Surely to God she couldn't have as many as 8 for her first litter? :Crazy: :rofl:
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Haha, I'm thinking 5 myself for some reason. What's the prize for this sweepstake?
Could the prize be that the closest person gets the honour of naming Jasmine's first born?
I vote 6 and by Wednesday at 2pm ;D
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Ohhh, good plan, Helen. That's it then. The winner can name a baby ;)
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Oooh, the stakes have been raised :evillaugh: Any chance of a pics of Jasmine as she is now so I can assess how many babies might be tucked away in that gorgeous belly?!
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I've just this minute taken one. I think the look on her lil face says it all...
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/kareno81/02042007162.jpg)
Sorry it's so big, I've got no way to resize it on here :-:
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Oh bless her :Luv:
Just googled for pregnant cat images to compare (I really want to win the prize!) and found this one....
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1r04a/Images/DVC30.JPG&imgrefurl=http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1r04a/CATS.html&h=264&w=352&sz=19&hl=en&start=13&tbnid=XDj121vVQYywuM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpregnant%2Bcat%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
She is actually the spit of Jasmine, she looks bigger to me and had 5 babies so I'm going to re-assess my original vote and go for 5 by 2pm on Wednesday.
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Awwww bless her :Luv: :Luv:
Can't wait till she has them I am so excited :rofl:
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She looks very fed up , poor jasmine.
Right as we have a prize will have to be serious and go for 0230 on wed for first one born and she will have 7 kittens ;D
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4 kittens on the bed by 6am wednesday :-:
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I think it's happening. She woke me an hour ago trying to open the drawer under my bed. I kept her out and she went into the nest I made in the bottom of the wardrobe. I've noticed some spots of mucus on the towel in there. She's licking herself like crazy now so it must be time.
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She's a mammy 3 times over so far. I'm sure I can feel another one in there. The first 2 came out very quickly but the third took a long time. Two black and white, and one that's either pure black or grey.
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Ok. Still 3 but I'm sure there's another still there. It's been about almost an hour since her last one was born. How long should I leave it before getting a vet? There was about 45 minutes between the 2nd and 3rd.
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IS she showing signs of contractions etc? If not, she should be fine. A lot of people on my other forum have thought they have felt an extra kitten but there hasn't been one. Do watch how you feel for it though.
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No signs of contractions. She, and the babas are asleep. I just touched her belly before, maybe it's not another kitten then.
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If she is asleep, I think she may have finished - you could ring the vet for advice if you are concerned though.
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Yippee! the kittens are here!! :welcome: :welcome: :welcome: to all three little nuisances.
Glad mum got her act together and let them out eventually.
Is she okay now?
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Thanks!
She's fast asleep, purring like a motorbike, with all 3 suckling on her. I've just read that she could have another kitten up to 36 hours later, even with sleeping and nursing in between :-:
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Awww great news Karen!
So she done it all by herself! Clever girl :)
Well done to you as well :hug:
S x
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Its not a normal thing to happen though, so hopefully wont be the case here.
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Congratulations Jasmine! Welll done to you to Karen, I bet you were a great birthing partner ;D
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congratulations to you and Jasmine!! Can't wait to see some pics of them all in the next few days xx
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awwwww well done ,i want one lol , let us know if anouther pops out , tipical afer her visit to the vets yestoday ;D
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Aww...anyone notice we ALLLLLL lost the bet? :rofl:
Congratulations to our new mum!!!
:congrats: :Party 3:
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:1st place:
Love to the new mummy!!!!
I bet you are so proud!
xxxx
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Well Done Karen and Jasmine,told you there would be a suprise this morning. :)
Now you can laugh about it all and the poo story :rofl:
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:wow: congrats to the new mum!
I am soooooooo kitten broody! lol
Ooooh pics please when you have both recovered, Karen :Luv: :Luv: ;D
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Awww that's great news :cheer: :cheer:
:congrats: Jasmime
Well done Karen :hug: and can't wait to see the pics :Luv: :Luv:
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:congrats: :J: :A: :S: :M: :I: :N: :E: :A: :N: :D: :K: :A: :R: :E: :N:
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Thank you ;D
I am soooo proud! She just got on with it. But she kept moving her head at me as if to say 'come here' and wanted her head rubbed and talked to. I'm tickled that she wanted me there.
Aww, no-one said 3? Whoever said the bed was right about that though. She moved out of the wardrobe, up here and in seconds the first one was out.
One is grey, one grey and white, and one totally identical to Jasmine. Even down to the three or four white hairs she has on the top of her head!
She's exhausted now. I went downstairs and she had picked the first one up and taken it to the wardrobe, and was in the process of taking the second when I came back in. I put food out for her, she took one bite and rushed back over to see them. She's a great little mammy and I'm proud as punch :Luv:
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she must love you loads to want to share the special moment with you (on your bed) :Luv:
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Congratulations to Jasmine :congrats:
Can't wait to see pics of the tiny little fluffies ;D
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Get that camera out Karen - cant wait to see them - She sounds like she is going to be a great mum!!!
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:congrats:
Well done Jasmine and Karen. I don't suppose we will hear much from Karen for the next few days now ... she'll probably be up in the bedroom baby sitting (I know I would be :rofl:)
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One is grey, one grey and white, and one totally identical to Jasmine. Even down to the three or four white hairs she has on the top of her head!
Awh bless! :Luv: I'm glad the little lady has had her kits. :Luv:
And a Blue!!! I loooooooooooooove blue cats! I bet all her kits are beautiful though. :Flowers:
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Well....I had another feel of her and was sure there was another baby, so I rang the vet and he said to bring her straight over. He said there was definitely one, maybe more in there and she'd need an emergency caesarean. But they needed the money for it today, so I had to go looking for it asap. Got it and took her back. Thank God, within the hour they rang me and said all went well. One more baby and the vet said he was really shocked it was alive.
She's home now. I'd had to keep the first 3 babies here and put a hot water bottle in with them. She's settled back down in with them now and is licking them all. So I hope that means she's taken them all ok. The new baby is tortoiseshell, and was born nine hours after the one before. I also asked the vet to sex them and there are 2 boys and 2 girls.
He said to keep away from her as much as possible tonight, and if she's not eaten by lunchtime tomorrow to give him a ring.
The poor little lady's been through so much today, and it's me shaking like a leaf still. I can't cope with these things on half an hour's sleep.
Here's a little pic pre-new baby.
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/kareno81/03042007167.jpg)
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oh poor little jasmine :hug:
the photo is lovely :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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She's one lucky lady - and its great that you're a worried fur-mummy to Jasmine. The kits look absolutely goregous and she looks so proud of her babies. Hope it wasn't too much of a cost for you
Do you have any names for the babies yet?
:Luv: :Luv:
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Awwww bless her Karen :hug:
Glad everything went ok and it must have been such a shock for you and Jasmine :hug:
What a wonderful pic of Mum and wee babies :Luv:
Sending you, Jasmine and babies lots of love and :hug: :hug:
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Aw what a sweetie!!! So pleased Mum is ok and hugs to both of you. Bless Karen!
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So pleased to hear the wonderful news and aslo that you got the vet involved too.
Well done Jasmine , and 4 kittens thats so good ;D ;D
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I said 4 kittens!
Do I get to name one? ;D
Just checked the thread - Hippykitty guessed right too ;D
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Fantastic news Karen, i bet your a very proud slave ;D :Flowers:
:congrats: :clap: Jas well done mum :ahh: So pleased she and her babes are well and sound sooooo adorable :Luv:
I adore the pic Karen :Luv: now ya know we need a daily one dontcha ;) ;D
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Aww Karen, thats great! Your Motherly instinct was right about the other baby!!
Well done :Luv: :hug:
S x
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Ya all done soooo well :hug: :hug: :hug:
Are ya still gonna keep one babe Karen? :Luv:
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>:( >:( >:(
I cant see the photo >:(
Glad all is well and hope mum recovers from her c section quickly.
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Awww so glad everything went well for her and lucky you realised something was wrong, well done. The babies look soooooo cute :Luv: :Luv:
Mark, if you want to name some kittens, I have some here that need names ;)
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Thanks so much, everyone ;D
The vet said she probably wouldn't eat tonight, but I just put out a little bit of fresh food and she went straight for it. I'm taking that as a good sign ;D
I can't find Hippykitty's sweepstake guess, blind as a bat, I am! But yeah, whoever got 4 kittens, by about 3.30, when tortie was born, can name my grey boy.
I can't wait until I can get a good pic of the black and white one beside Jasmine, it's amazing how identical to her he is. I don't want to pester her with cameras tonight though. Will do tomorrow ;)
Yeah, Tan, most definitely keeping one. Already I hate the thought of parting with any. My sister-in-law is desperate for one. They had one that died a couple of years ago, but my brother says nope. He hasn't seen these ickle faces yet though :Luv:
Can you see through this link, Lynn? http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/kareno81/03042007167.jpg
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Im so pleased everything went well, and good for you realising the other kit was still there. I think you all need sleep now. :1st place: :congrats:
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:cheer: :yayyy: :cheer: :yayyy:
Glad everything went ok.
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aawww saw the pics that time..cute
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Oh Karen they are adorable :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Oh they are sooooooo unbelievably cute! :Luv: I just adore the blue (grey) boy! Oh how super, you must be absolutely over the moon, hope mum and kits are doing well now. ;D
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Well I said 4 at midday today so must be the closest ;D
How about "Lucas" - great name for a boy cat
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Cool name Mark.
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Even more congratulations on the arrival of Jasmine's fourth baby ;D
How about "Lucas" - great name for a boy cat
Freaky :Crazy: I was going to call Riley (my future grey and white boy) Lucas but decided to save it for a future human baby!
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Mammy and her babies are doing brilliantly! I had an hour's sleep, and they're all set up in the bottom of the wardrobe so I can see them. Woke up to her trying to get into bed beside me. I'm a bit scared to pick her up but brought her in for a quick cuddle, 2 mins later one of the kits squeaked and she went to bound back over to them.
Everyone I've told that she had them in bed beside me seems shocked, but I'm really happy she did. To me that means she trusts me completely, and I'm dead happy about that :Luv:
Lucas is a good name. If that's what you want then Lucas it is.
Meant to ask. I've still got them all laying on the sheet they were born on. Is it ok to change that or should I leave it a bit?
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Even more congratulations on the arrival of Jasmine's fourth baby ;D
How about "Lucas" - great name for a boy cat
Freaky :Crazy: I was going to call Riley (my future grey and white boy) Lucas but decided to save it for a future human baby!
:Crazy: Helen, I've never heard of a cat called Lucas, how weird :Crazy:
Thanks Karen - I am honoured ;D
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Cool name Mark.
Thanks Sam - I always wanted a more interesting name like that ;D
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What about Cloud? ;-)
I reckon it should be OK to give mum and kits a clean warm blanket.
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such a good job she had you looking after her, the little torti is also very lucky! well done to you both!
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Wow, that is an unusual thing to happen!! Did the vet spay her at the same time as the c-section? Do watch with the pic taking as they develop, you need to watch the flash with their eyes to avoid damage - best off taking any pics with no flash or it covered well for the first few weeks.
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Hi Karen
How are Jasmine and her gorgeous babies this morning :Luv:
Have you managed to get any sleep yet :evillaugh:
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Mark, your guess was way before mine, so Lucas it is.
So glad she had you looking after her, Karen, you were a good mum noticing that she had another kitten inside. Good work.
A nice little tortie, torties are almost as nice as black and white (I had to say that cos S and P are watching me type).
Four kitties. :clap:
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Mammy and babies are doing great! She ate just before bed last night, and again this morning. She kept coming into bed with me during the night wanting cuddled, and then rushing straight back to the babies. She's so attentive to them. I love to watch her picking them up by the scruff of the neck.
I just noticed their first poos this morning! They're sooooo tiny!
They didn't spay her. I think he said it was because the baby inside was alive. I can't remember exactly now, but she's to go back in 10 days to have her stitches removed, and again in 8 weeks to be neutered.
I have been careful with the photo taking. I'll take another and post it later today.
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bless her she sounds a great mum - its lovely that she's still wanting cuddles from you "her mum" too :Luv: Can't wait to see the next installment of the pics
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Mark, your guess was way before mine, so Lucas it is.
So glad she had you looking after her, Karen, you were a good mum noticing that she had another kitten inside. Good work.
A nice little tortie, torties are almost as nice as black and white (I had to say that cos S and P are watching me type).
Four kitties. :clap:
Call me weird but when Karen announced 3, I thought maybe there is another one :Crazy:
My aunt is a sought-after medium in australia (although it's illegal to advertise in NSW) - maybe I've got a bit of it :Crazy: (or more likely a lucky guess :evillaugh: )
Her house is also a rescue - mainly cats but she has all kinds. She is lucky enough to have a huge house with loads of land.
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Piccie updates for today....
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/kareno81/Jasmineandbabies-resized.jpg)
While Miss Jasmine was eating, I feel bad about this one cos it was a bit too bright...
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/kareno81/babies-resized.jpg)
I've just noticed a teeny spot of blood on the white towel that's in there now. Jasmine's wound is fine, so I think it might have come from one of the babie's cords. Torti's isn't as healed as the others, would that be because the vet cut it rather than Jasmine?
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Sorry, don't know about the cord Q but just wanted to say what lovely babies Jasmine has. I love the top photo where she's feeding them :Luv:
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These bundles get are getting even cuter!!!! :Luv: :Luv: I really like the look of the grey and white kit, you could just eat it!!! Which are the boys and girls (I know you said the grey one Lucas is a boy) do you have any more names?? I love one of my friends cats name it Hoshi (meaning star) in Japanese or was it Chinese :)
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they r so gorgeous :Luv: u must b very proud of jamsine and her babes
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Liza, I think the vet (my head was a bit all over the show yesterday) said the black and white was male, and grey and white was female. Lucas is definitely a he, and the torti's obviously female.
I'm a bit concerned about her and them this afternoon. I dunno if she's confused, overwhelmed, or what but she's acting a bit strange. Keeps taking a baby with her when she comes out of the nest to eat, and once or twice she's taken one out and walked round the room with it. I don't understand why, my eldest daughter had a peep at them earlier cos she'd been dying to but I kept her away last night. She didn't touch the babies though. Would Jasmine feel threatened by that or something?
There are two more boxes in the room I've set up for her to take them to. She can't really take them anywhere else in the house at the moment. My bedroom is ideal cos there's a lock on the door and I know little people can't get near.
Also, I've noticed she hasn't been near the litter tray today, even though she's been eating and drinking okay.
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Oh how adorable!That little tortie is just too sweet for her own good... :Luv:
Looks like she was double mated with that litter - with a ginger tom for the tortie and for a black or black & white carrying blue for the others. Jasmine must carry the gene for blue too.
A beautiful litter and a wonderful mum. You must be so proud of her, Karen. :)
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My Issey used to hide her kittens !
I would come in from the school run and find a kitten missing and have to go and hunt for it :rofl:
I think you need to keep her very queit, dont let anyone in to see the babies
Karen why dont you keep them all !!!
I kept all 4 of Isseys kittens and although they are 2yrs old now they still cuddle up to her.
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What stunning pictures ;D
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:'(
Lucas is dead. I don't know what happened. All four were suckling when I went to sleep last night and this morning he's gone :'(
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Aww, I am so sorry to hear that Karen, sadly that is part of nature, the only thing you can do is keep a close eye on the others, and if you have some scales, weigh them daily to make sure they are all feeding well and step in if not.
i do think it odd that the vet didnt spay her, as it means another anaesthetic. As for the blood, cats do bleed after birth like humans do, so the spotting could be that. It isn't that unusual for mums to try and move their babies, but it is normally when they are unhappy at the place they are in - do you remember which one it was that she was moving? They can sense if there is something wrong with a kitten, so this morning's events could have something to do with it. not sure about how long before they should be usign the tray, hopefully Teresa or Dawn can help on that, if not, a call to the vet.
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I am so sorry but as Desleys says it is all part of nature. Although that does not make it any easier for us. :(
Was it Lucas that Jasmine kept moving yesterday? If so it would be because mum knew that all was not well. Cleft pallet for instance.
They didn't spay her. I think he said it was because the baby inside was alive
I really don't know why she wasn't spayed, although it obviously happens I cannot understand the vets reasoning, over any year we have a few cats and I hear of many more (because we have to pay) with the same problem. In most cases there are alive kittens inside and all have been spayed at the same time. I assume you will be keeping her in as she can get pregnant from when the kittens are about 2 weeks old.
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Ela - I was talking to a breeder on another forum, and she said that when they do a section and spay, that it can affect them being able to feed their kittens - but I am sure Dawn has had it done before and with no issues.
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So sorry Karen :(
RIP little Lucus :(
:hug: :hug: :hug:
S x
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Ela - I was talking to a breeder on another forum, and she said that when they do a section and spay, that it can affect them being able to feed their kittens - but I am sure Dawn has had it done before and with no issues.
I appreciate it perhaps could happen but it has never happened in any of the cats we have dealt with and that would be dozens.
Also a breeder may have other issues like they may want to to breed again with the queen.
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Star had a c section and was spayed 8 weeks afterwards, this was when she was in rspca care then so I'm not sure why they did it like that
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It was him she tried to move the first time, but she brought another out once too.
When I went to go to bed last night she had moved into another box I had in the room and seems more content there. And has used the littertray through the night.
I have no idea exactly why he didn't spay her, all I remember him saying was "because the kitten was alive"
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RIP lucas xxxx
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So sorry Karen, RIP little Lucas xx
He'll be looked after at the Bridge, you can be sure of that :hug:
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Star had a c section and was spayed 8 weeks afterwards,
It could be just that like many things different vets have different ideas. e.g. many vets will now neuter/spay at 4 months yet other stick rigidly to the 6 month idea.
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Poor Lucas :( is there any way of finding out what happened? RIP little one :sad no:
sending my love for the remaining three and their gorgeous mum, hope there is no more troubles :hug:
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Sorry to hear about poor Lucas
RIP poor little boy. :'(
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I'm so sorry Karen.
RIP Lucas xx :hug:
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what a shame you lost a little one. :'(
If it hasnt already been advised you could do a little chart of the remaining babies and each morning weight them on a kitchen scales, kittens normally put on a specific range of weight each day if they are thriving (ie 10-20g etc) now i said this not long ago i cannot remember what the exact weight gain per day should be but there is a guide, you will probably find online somewhere i am sure (i must find it for future reference)
Keep a close eye on the kittens when they are feeding and satisfy yourself that all are suckling strongly and immediately after a feed that have round pot bellies .
also regards the spay/section thingy..
It is the kittens suckling that stimulates milk production and not the ovaries or uterus (although they are what stimulates colostrum production initiailly and the hormones will have an influence in the first day or so) so technically cats can be sucessfully sectioned and spayed at the same time with no adverse effects on milk supply. However obviously it depends on size of litter and how great they are in that first day or so of suckling IE a larger litter with big hungry babies will stimulate a greater and better milk supply than a small litter, and perhaps where the suckling isnt so demanding in the first place spaying them at time of section might have enough of an effect to tip the milk supply adversely.
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Oh Karen i'm soo sorry :'( Little Lucas play on the bridge sweetheart, all our babes will look after you. :RIP: :'(
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Karen im so sorry hun.
Play hard at the bridge Lucas xx
:RIP:
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Oh no :'(
Poor little ^Lucas^ - R.I.P Sweetheart.
Karen is the box that she is in large enough ?
It is very easy for a kitten to get laid on by Mum
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So sorry to hear about the poor kitten.
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im really sorry karen
RIP precious baby lucas xxxxx
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I think it's big enough, tell me if not, just took your daily pic...
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/kareno81/05042007182.jpg)
I keep thinking I should take them all back to the vet for a check over. The little black and white boy has been noisy this morning. I don't want the vet to think I'm wasting his time, or neurotic or whatever :(
I picked up tortie a minute ago and she seems to have a little pot belly after her feed.
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The little black and white
As the Bank Holiday is coming up I personally think that may be the best thing to do.
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You and Jasmine are new mums.... be neurotic, you're entitled.
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Karen - I would personally just ring the vet - waiting rooms aren't the best places for such tiny kittens who dont have a good immune system yet. Kittens should have a nice round belly after feeding.
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if you would feel better of a check up then after all its your money paying the vet but perhaps phone them and tell them about the lost one and ask their opinion first !!!! yes if you have a bank holiday it may be a good idea and whilst your there maybe get a tub of cimicat and a baby bottle "just in case"
Id do the weighing thing though each morning.
from that pic to my eye it looks like they are suckling fine.
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Oh Karen I am so sorry :hug: :hug:
Love and cuddles to you and Jasmine xxx
RIP Lucas you are a very special wee kitten xxx
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Yes that box is big enough karen (it was just a thought)
I would ring your vet, tell them what has happened to ^Lucas^ and take their advice.
xxxx
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:( sorry to hear about lucas, karen. The others are just beautiful. :hug:
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Rang the vet, and he said not to take them out of the house if possible, and to get some replacement milk, in case they're not feeding properly. Got some, came home, then I had to go to the supermarket to get some low-mineral bottled water, that it said was important to use on the packaging. I've just tried giving it to them for the first time. Mr Black & White sucked like there was no tomorrow! Miss Grey and white took a couple of little drips, and tortie wouldn't entertain taking any of it at all, although I touched her mouth with the bottle a few times. They're still making alot more noise than I think they should be, and am still as worried as ever. When should I give them another feed? There's 4ml gone out of what I made up, I'd say Mr had half of that to himself, and he's still making an awful lot of noise. How I wish one of you was here to help me do the right things, cos I don't think I'm doing too well here :'( :'(
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Karen the best thing to do is stay calm yourself because Jas and the little ones will detect that you're anxious.
You're doing brilliantly too and I'm sure some of the others will reply shortly to advise on the bottle feeding.
Take Care
S x :hug: :hug:
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i did not understand about the supermarket low mineral water at all im afraid ??????
firstly if you are bottle feeding you must NOT hold them in an anatomical unnatural postion ie on their backs or with their heads back, try and get them to feed in the same position they would with mum.
i presume mum will still do all the cleaning etc but just incase stimulate their bottom area with damp cotton wool after their feed as this is how they manage to pass urine and motions.
make sure milk is luke warm (sorry common sense i know but if you havent done it before...)
also i'd be wary that you dont over feed them, you still want them to feed off of mum so you're only topping up so maybe only once or twice per day IF you think its necessary (if they dont feed from mum her milk will dry up remember)
and just to make sure...you did get the milk replacement from the vets i presume and not the cat milk stuff from the supermarket (sorry just making sure)
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I didn't understand it either, Lynn. But underneath the instructions for making the milk it says in bold letters 'Important - use with low mineral bottled water' :-: And then I, like a dope, boiled it when it said I should have heated it to 50 degrees. I let it cool and tested it first though.
Yeah, I got it from the vets, it's called Royal Canin, I think. It came with a kitten bottle. And, yeah, the vet said about that on the phone. It's only to supplement them, not to give to much cos I still want them to feed from Jasmine.
It says the dose for kittens up to a week old is 2ml, 7 feeds per day. But because I'm only supplementing them, how much should I give? Just a couple of drops each? And how often?
Thanks a million for the info about moving their bowels, I wondered about that. And also about how to hold them, because I did do it wrong the first time.
I'm sorry for all the questions, but I'm so confused about everything, and terrified of doing the wrong thing :(
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Karen so sorry to hear about Lucas .... RIP baby :(
Found a couple of sites that might be able to answer some of your questions on bottle feeding:
http://www.2ndchance.info/orphankitten.htm
http://www.geocities.com/turbo502002/flessen-en.html
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karen i'd give them a proper feed ie the full 2 mls rather than a couple of drops but i'd only do it maybe morning and last thing at night.
personally if you were making up formula milk for babies you use normal tap water but boiled and cooled so i couldnt see why that would be a problem with kitten milk.
in between the times you have to feed them and weight them (before the morning feed) i'd pretty much leave mum to do the nursing if she's happy to do that ;D
ps your not being stupid, this is new to you and understandable ;D ;)
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RIP Lucas. little man.
I am so sorry to hear about Lucas and hope that Jasmone and the others will be OK. Sounds like you are doing fine and Lynn knows whts she is talking about.
Also you have Teresas email addy if you need any more help with the kittens.
I am sure thay will all be fine :hug: :hug:
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I am at my wit's end here. There was blood in the nest this morning, Jasmine chewed through her stitches and the wound has opened right up. Back to the vets, she needs to go back again at 3.30, go under anaesthetic to have it re-stitched, then have a collar fitted to stop her doing it again. Surely she wont be able to look after the kittens properly with a collar on? Stimulate their bowels etc? The vet didn't seem to bothered about that. This has been the most awful week.
She is so stressed out today. She wants to take the kittens out of this room, but this is the safest place for them. All in all she's a very unhappy cat at the moment, and with a collar it's only gonna get worse :'(
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oh dear this isnt good news at all.
you are now going to have to spend even more time with her allowing her to have plenty of time with the collar off to tend her babies but also always there to watch like a hawk incase she goes at her own wound again.
You will also have to stimulate them to do the toilet just incase she doesnt manage, I'd say if you did it 3 or 4 times per day would be ok (some else will know better than me how many times is acceptable)
I'm just hoping all this doesnt make her reject her kittens or you'll have to hand feed each one every 2 hrs !!!
are they still feeding ok from mum though and is she still wanting to look after them ??
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Yeah, she was nursing them fine, and looking after them this morning. She was coming out of the nest alot more this morning though. She wanted out of the room a couple of times, and I let her. She just had a look round the house and back in again.
This is probably the stupidest question, ever. But how will I know if she's rejected them? Will she just refuse to feed them?
The vet seemed to think she could manage ok with the collar, just it will be more awkward for her.
They're going to ring about 5 to say I can pick her back up.
Please cross fingers tight she'll be ok :(
I had just devised a plan to put the kids into my room, so she could have a bedroom to herself and I could just go in and out to check and feed her, but should I not do that now?
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Poor Jas :(
You're doing great Karen, try not to stress yourself out :hug:
Sarah xxx
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hopefully she will as the vet says be able to tend them and sounds like she still very much wants to be their mum.
im not sure about what you mean about kids in your room though ?? i suppose its only natural she's wanting a wee bit of excersise and time away from them.
if she rejects them i presume she will not want to go anywhere near them.
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What a crappy week for you Karen :hug:
I wouldnt move rooms right now, less upheavel the better for them ( IMO!)
You will be able to tell if shes rejected them as she wont feed them and will leave them alone.
If shes leaving the nest more just make sure they stay warm, at that age they cant regulate their own temp.
Your doing wonders for your first time as kitten mummy!
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Karen, it sounds as if you're doing everything you can do for Jasmine and her babies. Hope all is well when she comes home from the vets :hug:.
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ur doing everything u can karen
hope al is well when u pick jasmine up :hug:
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I am so sorry there has been another problem Karen. You are doing a great job but you must be very tired, I don hope that jasmine will be able to look after the kittens even with a collar on. I have to say if its the vets close to you, after last night I am not impressed with them at all.
They seem to have little consideration for the cats and absoltutley none for their human patient. They just are giving you no support at all.
I do hope things get better for you Jasmine and the kittens. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Sorry to hear about Lucas :( RIP little one.
Sounds like you're doing a good job, Karen. Try not to get too stressed out - you're doing everything you can.
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That's so true, Gill. I really don't like that vets, but as it stands at the minute I have nobody with a car to take me further. My friend was with me today and said the same. The vet I saw barely let me get a word in to tell him what was worrying me. Thank God my friend was there, cos he kept confusing me and she reminded me of the things I wanted to ask about. I wasn't too friendly with them today either, cos their attitude has got to me. They, apparently, only charged me for the drugs they used today. They also gave me a spare collar.
Anyway, I picked her up and she seems just fine. Brought her upstairs to the room and let her out of the carrier. She was a bit wobbly on her feet, but she had a little sniff round the room as if to check if all was as she left it, and got straight into the kitten's box, and they got right onto a nipple each and suckled like mad! I sat with her a while, and she was managing to lick the babies, just about.The collar's big enough, and the kittens are small enough, to kinda fit inside it with her. She's finding it very awkward but seems to be coping. She also ate with no problem.
I came up and laid on my bed to just watch her for a while, she's very cuddly with me and fell asleep on my chest, but the kits woke up and she was straight down, she's feeding them now.
So, another day, another drama. Hopefully that will be it for a day or two.
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I am so pleased she is back and the family seem to be OK ;D
Keeping fingers crossed that you are thro the worst and from now on its plain sailing :hug: :hug:
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Poor little Jasmine and poor you :hug:
Hopefully that will be it for emergencies for the next few days at least, we don't want to hear anything from you apart from how well Jasmine and her babies are doing ;D I can't imagine how stressed and worried you must be, it's getting to me and she's not even my cat!
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Glad Jasmine is back home and seems to be coping OK with her lampshade! Fingers crossed you will all have a nice quiet Easter now with no more panics.
Of course Tiggy's mum was only joking when she said we don't want to hear from you unless it's good news! You know if you need us for anything we are all here for you.
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Oh dear :scared: I hope Karen knows what I meant, I just meant that we only want to hear good news because that's all there will be - there can't possibly be any more emergencies for poor little Jasmine.
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Haha, don't worry, Tiggy's mum. I know what you meant.
Thank you, Sam. I know you're all here and I truly don't know what I'd have done without you
:thanks: xxx
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I gave the babies their little supplementary feed, and Jasmine laid watching me, purring louder than I've heard her in a few days :Luv:
I did their little bowels but there was nothing. Just to check what I've been doing is right....I'm using cotton wool dipped in warm water, and just gently rubbing them for a few seconds?
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Hi Karen - it can take up to 5 minutes before there is anything. From what I have read its best to use gentle strokes (replicating what mum would do). Is mum not doing anything to help with bowel movement of any of the babies??? As I mentioned last night you could try smearing a little cat food jelly/gravy on the babies botties to encourage mum.
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I'm so sorry about the little one :brokenheart:
I'm not expert concerning kittening, but a few thoughts come to mind which you could put to peeps who have more expertise in this area.
Mum may not like you to interfere too much with the kittens - if you do, she may lose her maternal instinct towards them, or feel threatened, or stop feeding them herself.
I wonder whether the box the family are in is too open for her to feel secure with the kitties; perhaps this is why she keeps moving them?
Don't blame yourself for the loss of her kitten, cats are good mothers, but they get better with experience. One of my cats, Samantha, had a C section (while she was at the rescue) and didn't bond at all with her kits until Polly, an old hand at motherhood, helped her. (That's one reason I took them both.) Sam was very young, and a kitten became stuck inside her.
I would hesitate about handling the kittens, or even taking pics, yet. Leave mum to look after them. However, a visit from the vet may be wise.
Other peeps who've been in your position may have better advise.
I hope all goes well. :shoosh:
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I think Hippy has some good points - you dont want to take over too much on teh feeding and stimulating side, as mum may stop altogether then - I think with the feeding, you are best off weighing them daily and only supplementing them if they aren't gaining enough - will find a link later that shows teh weight for kittens. I dont know how you would tell if they aren't being stimulated enough, as mum normally keeps it so clean you dont notice they have gone. Good luck with her, and I am sorry that you are having so many issues - I hope that anyone who wants to let a cat have just one litter will read threads like this and realise that as much as the majority of cats are fine, you get cases like this where a lot of expense, emotions and time has to go into it .
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She might be, Linda, but she can find it hard with the collar so I'm supposed to check.
Do you mean get the vet to come out here, Hippykitty? There's no hope of that with the vet I go to. As long as the babies and Jasmine are okay there's no way they'll come out to the house.
I've only been giving them the 2ml in the morning and at night, sometimes not even that much - they'll take a little drip and that's it. That's what I've been told to do. I've tried not picking them up to do it but I can't, and I've been picking them up in Jasmine's blanket.
I'm so confused with all this.
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I think you have to pick them up to feed them, but I think Hippy meant more not constantly handling them, as mum is more likely to reject them then.
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Here is an excellent link KAren - it is an American site though, so some of the measurements might not be exact, but if you are unsure, one of us should be able to translate into our measurements for you.
http://www.kitten-rescue.com/
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What sort of collar is mum wearing? It may be a good idea to remove it, especially if it's a flea collar. Are the kits wearing any? If so, remove those too.
Yes, I did mean that the vet should come to you. I don't think it's wise to move mum or her kittens yet, but it would be a good idea to have her checked over. Is your vet miles away, or just uncooperative? If so, try giving him a ring and chatting on the phone. Explain what has happened and that you're concerned about the other kittens.
Try not to feed them too much. If they don't suckle mum, she won't produce milk. If she's not feeding them, she'll lose interest in them.
Had a quick look at the link. It seems to be for orphans, but these aren't orphans yet. I'm just concerned that if you do too much, then you'll have to raise them completely.
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It's the collar the vet put on yesterday when she had to be restitched. And I'm not supposed to remove it.
The kittens don't have collars.
Jasmine has been checked over, three times this week, as were the babies one time. The vet is close, but I know they wouldn't come out when all seems fine with Jasmine and her kittens.
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So she's wearing an Elizabethan collar? Doesn't that prevent her from washing the kittens? She needs to do this to bond as a family and to clean their bums so that they'll poop after feeding.
If all is well with Jasmine and her kittens, why are you supplementing the kittens feeding?
I'm not trying to criticise you, but help prevent Jasmine from rejecting her brood. I know that if something comes between a feral cat and her kittens, she loses all interest in them in a very short time.
If the family is well, leave mum to get on with her job. :hug:
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I know she does, which is why I was asking about stimulating them in case she hasn't.
The vet told me to supplement the feeding. After the kitten died he thought they might not be getting enough from her.
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There are many other reasons why Lucas may have sadly died.
Personally, I'd leave mum and kitties alone for a while and see how things go. See if the kittens thrive. If they don't, then start supplemental feeding. I'd watch and wait. She should have more than enough milk for 3. The more they suckle, the more she'll produce. The pleasure of her kittens feeding stimulates hormones which encourage the production of milk. If you supplement, they won't suckle enough.
Maybe other peeps, like Lynn, can help more.
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karen your doing fine, if you havent actually been feeding them that much and they still seem like they are thriving then it suggests they are getting enough from mum, its ok to pick them up with feeding them though as you'd probably need to hold their head a wee bit to get them to accept the teat however dont hold their head back or put the babies on their back to feed them (like a human baby would be)
Have you started weighing them yet ? even if you dont want to do it every morning perhaps every 2nd or third morning would be useful as if they are gaining weight then you might not even need to bother supplementing them at all and wont have that to worry about.
Sounded like you were stimulating them properly..maybe the did have a wee pee but the drop just soaked into the cotton wool straight away and you didnt notice, they dont always have to poop every time you stimulate them.
Hows mum getting on with the collar ?? is she managing to lick them at all or have you allowed her some time with it off watching she doesnt bite her stitches again ?
It is more than feasable that due to the quickness of lucas death it wasnt malnutrition that was the problem but any number of things.
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Hi Karen,
Congrats on the arrival of the kittens - so sorry about the one that you lost :RIP: Lucas.
This is my first post in a long time - I am in internet cafe at the moment, had an awful job logging on. Back from holiday on Thursday.
You have not posted in a while and so may I take it that no news is good news?
Sorry about the problems you have had it took ages for me to read it all, dont forget Karen you have my phone number if you want a chat.
Take care xx
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Hey, Yvonne ;D
Yeah I've got your number, thank you ;D
No news is good news. Jasmine's doing really well, and the kittens are growing. It was bright enough today to take a pic without a flash, not a very good one, but anyway....
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/kareno81/08042007189.jpg)
She's doing great with the collar. She's taking good care of the babies. I haven't taken it off her at all. I know if I did she'd go mad when I went to put it on her again, so while she's managing fine with it on it can stay on. It's just another week until it comes off now.
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Great picture and I am so pleased that the family are doing well ;D
I think Jasmine is watching you suspiciously :rofl:
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;D I agree gill she does look like that doesnt she :rofl:
Karen well done to all concerned coz mum and babies look great ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Karen they look lovely.
:hug: to you and the furbabes. They are very happy kitties I am sure.
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:rofl: She doesn't like the camera much, never has, bless her.
Can you see how much bigger the babies have gotten in that pic? They're bigger by the day!
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They're all looking great Karen!
It must be so exciting seeing them grow by the day :Luv:
I presume you've been able to get a bit of a well earned rest then hahaha, poor Karen :hug:
xxx
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Karen, you're looking after Jasmine and her brood brilliantly...good on ya!
It looks like Jasmine is doing alright with the collar. My oldest girl won't wear one even when it's necessary. She once walked backwards for 3 hours trying to get out of one!
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i am glad they are doing so well - if the kitts are only taking small amounts, it sounds like she is feeding them well enough and they dont need supplementing.
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Hey Karen,
Only just catching up on this thread as I have been away for easter and crikey what a rollercoaster you have been having.
So very sorry to hear about little Lucas but it would seem that Miss Jasmine is doing a Fab job even with the collar on, I think you have done great with them as well considering this was your first time well done to you.
Are you going to keep them all ?
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Thanks, everyone ;D
I'd love to keep them all, but I need to think sensibly and I can't really afford 4 cats. I could manage feeding etc, but sudden vet bills like I've had this week I couldn't handle x 4.
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[week I couldn't handle x 4. /quote]
so does this mean you could maybe keep 1 and rehome a pair :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
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Yeah, I'm definitely keeping one, I don't want to think about which one to keep yet though.
My cousin has said she'd love a kitten, I'd like that cos I know she'd take great care of it.
The animal sanctuary I was in touch with that gave me the neutering voucher said they would rehome them if needed.
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aw thats great news.
what are they by the way, one is a girl but what are the other 2 ?
anychance of your cousin being able to manage 2 ??
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2 girls and a boy I believe.......not sure if the boy is the grey & white or black & white
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Yeah, two girls and the boy is black and white. Although with them only being about 10 hours old when the vet looked he said it's possible he could get it wrong. I'm sure the wee black and white one is a boy though, he looks boyish already :rofl:
She might do, Lynn. She's gonna come over in a couple of weeks to have a look at them.
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Glad everything else is going well, the 2 mums seem to be coping well ;D
It was such as shame about Lucas but I heard it is really common for 1 or more young kittens from a litter to die. I'm glad at least he had a name, even if it was only for a short time. :'(
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I'm glad he had a name, and such a nice one too :Luv:
As for the other three, they need names. My two eldest daughters want to name them, but they haven't been allowed a good look yet. My eldest wants to call the little grey and white girl Belle, and my middle daughter wants the boy named Thomas O'Malley (think it's all Disney names we're going for lol)
But little tortie is, as of yet, nameless.
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You could go for the predictable "Shelley" like my mum did :evillaugh:
Belle is good but Thomas O'Malley will end up plain old "Tom" :evillaugh:
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Belle is good but Thomas O'Malley will end up plain old "Tom" :evillaugh:
Whats wrong with plain old TOM Mark!!! :rofl:
Tom said to tell you he likes his name fine :rofl:
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I just think of a scar faced ginger bruiser :evillaugh:
ALthough the scarfaced ginger bruiser I'm thinking of was called Tat so I don't know why :Crazy:
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Hi Karen just catching up (send too much time in chat lol) and haven't they GROWN ;D
Jasmine looks like a very protective Mum :Luv:
I am so pleased you are keeping one kitty :) although I don't envy you actually picking which kitty :evillaugh: :evillaugh:
I love the name Belle :Luv: and Thomas :Luv: as for the wee tortie I don't know but I am sure there will be lots of suggestions :)
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I know it doesn't go along with the disney theme but what about Mischief..........as she was a madam coming into the world or losely going with disney, Tink (as in Tinkerbell or Tinker (you little tinker)
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Belle is good but Thomas O'Malley will end up plain old "Tom" :evillaugh:
Whats wrong with plain old TOM Mark!!! :rofl:
Tom said to tell you he likes his name fine :rofl:
mmm - I suppose Tom suits some cats - bit too "alley cat" for me :evillaugh:
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But little tortie is, as of yet, nameless.
Tutti Frutti ;D
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What about Ayesha? Pretty name for a pretty girl! :)
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Ohhh Tinkerbell is good! I think she kinda looks like a Tink ;D
I really don't know about the little boy, he doesn't look like any name I can think of. The little grey and white one would probably suit Tinkerbell most of all cos she's half the size of the other two. She eats plenty, but I think she's just going to be a small cat like her Mammy.
My friend suggested Simba or Bambi :-:
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Thats funny I thought of Bambi this morning as well ;D
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I know a laperm called ayesha :Luv: She lives with a beautiful laperm girl called Nitika :Luv: :Luv:
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After looking up Disney names, I think we've decided on Happy (as in the dwarf) Daisy (duck) and Belle.
Madness :rofl:
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not sure about happy..can you imagine when you are calling on him * H A P P Y* .. folk will think you are mad :rofl: :rofl:
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Folk already think I'm mad, don't think a cat called Happy will make a big difference :rofl:
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We have an eye open in each kitten! ;D
Was bright enough to take pics with no flash again today....
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Aww they are gorgeous Karen, they're coming on a wee treat :Luv:
xxx
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they are lovely karen so how many are you going to keep? :hug:
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Oh my GOD that little pink tummy... :Luv:
~broody for kittens~
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Hi Karen
They are so cute and scrummy :Luv: :Luv:
Well done honey they are all doing great :)
Give them all gentle cuddles from me xx
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Great pics!
Will be great when she can have that horrible collar off ;D
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Thanks ;D
I'm only planning on keeping the one, Jo.
Yeah, Mark, neither can she! 9.30 on Monday morn she goes to get it off ;)
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:Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: they are adorable ... I love the little grey and white one lying on its back .... thats one content little kitty.
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Gorgeous truly gorgeous !!!
Do you have homes for them ??
Perhaps someone on here may be able to help ?
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Karen they are all so gorgeous - so jealous of you!!!! Think my fav is the little grey and white one she's lovely :Luv: :Luv:
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Aww, I am glad she is managing well with them.
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Awwwwwwwwww they r sooooooooo cute
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The kits look in great condition: you and Jasmine have been doing really well ;D
Most of my cats have had 'witchy' names like Bella, Minnie, Polly, Samantha, Grisselda, all except for Max, who was 4 years old when I had him and knew his name too well to change it.
A Disney theme would be great. How about Thumper?
Kittens are so cute. :blow kiss:
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There's been a change of name. Happy is now Meeko, which suits him so much better.
Still all doing well, they are too cute with their little eyes open. Jasmine gets the collar off on Monday morning. It's only just today I've noticed her pawing it, trying to get it off herself. But she's so hot today, I've got the windows open, but it's still roasting in here.
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Oh bless her!
Meeko is deffo a better name than Happy (no offence!!)
I've got the windows open,
You could get a fan for her, would be terrible if she managed to escape!
Dont aim it towards the nest tho :innocent:
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Aww, I love Happy, but it doesn't really suit him
The windows are on baby catches so she can't get out of them. I'm not sure I've even got a fan :-:
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How is Jasmine now her collar is off, any more pics of the little ones!!!! Hope they're all coping ok in the warm weather
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UPDATE NEEDED PLEASE! :wow:
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Hey!
All's going really well. Jasmine got her collar off on Monday. She was giving herself a good wash and scratch for about an hour after, bless her :Luv:
Babies are huuuge!
I haven't got any new pics cos I haven't liked to take them now their eyes are open, but it's a very bright day so the camera might work with no flash. I'll have a go later ;)
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Fingers crossed you'll get some pics for us all. Are you any nearer to deciding which one you'll be keeping?
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awww glad all is well and will look forward to seeing some pics when u can take them :Luv:
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Liza, I haven't a clue. It makes me teary just thinking about it, and I haven't even had much contact to get attached to them yet.
The pics aren't much good, cos they were asleep, and eating, but I'll take a few more over the weekend.
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Well Done Karen,you have a very content mum and babies
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So glad things are going well. The babies and mum are so adorable. Makes me go all broody again. :shy:
Well done!!
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Aww, wonderful pics - you should be OK taking pics of them now, it is more before they close their eyes and soon after, as they are delicate. The grey and white is lovely, I have a soft spot for greys
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WOW haven't they grown!! They are gorgeous and all look very happy.
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they look fab and soooooo podgy ;D
well done jasmine :Luv:
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Hi Karen, wow, how they have grown, they are all gorgeous :Luv:
Jasmine looks like such a proud mum bless her :Luv: :Luv:
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Wonderful wonderful, mum and kittens look great ;D
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oh my havent they grown :Luv: :Luv: they r so gorgeous :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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They're BEAUTIFUL!
Are they "in the wardrobe, stealing your clothes"?
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Thanks for the update on Jasmine and the kits, they all look lovely............I'd hate to have to pick one to keep but I think it would be the grey and white, a washed out version of her mummy :Luv: :Luv:
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I really don't think I can pick one to keep, too hard :(
They're well on the move now! Still very shaky on their legs but they're walking, and just a few hours ago I noticed them washing themselves. They play with each other and lick each other too. They're way too cute :Luv:
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Meeko...who is hard to photo cos he never keeps still...
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Belle....
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Daisy Duck...
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They are so gorgeous ;D
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My Son has just seen the pics and wants Belle !!
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awwwww they r sooooooo cute :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Awwww Karen they are so cute :Luv: :Luv:
Cuddles to them all and to the gorgeous Jasmine of course xxx
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They are all cute!
I've never had a kitten and I'm jealous :P
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I've never had a kitten and I'm jealous
When I take in kittens it reminds me why I don't want one. ;D
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Lovely pics Karen
Me too Ela!!!
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Awww, Karen they're all gorgeous! (Including Jasmine!)
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They're so gorgeous :Luv:
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These lil fluffy bundles are so mischievious already! They've been out and exploring the room. I love to watch them with each other though, so cute and funny. Jasmine was sat watching Daisy last night, and I don't know what Daisy did but Jasmine reached out her paw and gave her a slap! Daisy is much more active than the other 2, she's always on the move.
Had to share these couple of pics I took today. I tried to creep up and get this one before anyone woke up...
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And the best one so far of Meeko...
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oh my theyve grown so much :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: they r all adorable :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Karen they are wonderful pics and soooo adorable :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: I gon all goooey :faint:
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Lovely pics.
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:cccooorrr: I'm in love with them all incl Jas :Luv:
Cooo how ya gonna pick one of those little adorable darlins then Karen. You and mum have done such a brill job :Luv: :Luv:
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Awwww .... I've just spent the past hour reading the entire thread! well done Karenjet - you've done amazingly well ;D So sorry little Lucas didn't make it, but he'll be well looked after at the Rainbow Bridge. The kittybabes are absolutely gorgeous! Belle is stunning! Although Daisy looks more like a tabby to me? Beautiful, beautiful babies! Bet they're worth all the trouble! ;)
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How old are they now? They look so healthy, and mum looks totally blissful. Well done!
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They're 6 weeks old today! ;D
And soooo cute, they've all got their own little personalities already. Daisy's really shy, Meeko's so cuddly and likes to be close to people, he grabs my finger with his lil paw and snuggles up to it. Belle is a little monkey, she is into absolutely everything! She's the only one that's ventured down the stairs so far. Jasmine's doing great, too. Although I think she's looking for a mate, she's been shouting alot at nighttime and she's usually so quiet. But she's not been outside so all's ok that way. She needs to go for neutering in a fortnight.
I don't have to choose, Tan, cos I'm not giving any away. I can't. I love them all. I've got pet insurance now for Jasmine, and I can add them onto the policy at 8 weeks old, which was what was worrying me about keeping them - unexpected vet bills.
I haven't posted any photos in a week or two cos I don't really have any good ones. They really don't sit still long enough to get them, and they sleep under the bed so I can't get in to take any, but here's the best of what I have....
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I don't have to choose, Tan, cos I'm not giving any away. I can't. I love them all. I've got pet insurance now for Jasmine, and I can add them onto the policy at 8 weeks old, which was what was worrying me about keeping them - unexpected vet bills.
Brilliant !!!!!
As i have said before i kept all 4 of Isseys kittens.
Jasmine will love keeping her babies, its lovely watching them grow with their Mummy
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oh karen thats fab u r keeping them all ,best news ive had all day ;D ;D
they r gorgeous :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
u must be so proud :Luv: :Luv:
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I've known for a couple of weeks now - ever since I've been able to handle them more - that I couldn't give them away. Never in a million years could I pick the ones to give away. And they seem to like it here, when I come up to the bedroom they all come skipping out from under the bed :rofl: Skipping's the best way I can describe it, wouldn't call it running but it's as fast as their little legs will go :Luv:
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:rofl: skipping awwwwwwwwwwww sounds too cute
awwwww they r just so gorgeous
i love the dark brownish one :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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well done on keeing them karen :Luv:
they're looking fab, you'll have lots of fun with them i'm sure :rofl:
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Congratulations Karen, you lucky thing ;D I don't blame you, I think I'd probably do the same if I were in your shoes. They are all beautiful, no surprise with a gorgeous Mum like Jasmine :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: I think it's quite funny really, one minute you are feeding a stray cat that comes to visit you and the next moment you are proud Mum giving a fantastic forever home to four!
Thought you'd like to know, my kitten who I thought was a girl is now called Lucas, he is grey too so it's kind of like he is carrying on the memory of the little one that didn't make it :hug:
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You nutter! :rofl: :1st place: :heeee heeee: :cheer:
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Thats wonderful, so pleased they are all staying with you ;D
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Better start saving for the spays now then Karen!!! Dont envy you having them all needing done at the same time, am glad you are getting pet insurance though, it really is a godsend.
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Well done Karen, I figure I would have done the same as you. Softy ;)
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Karen,
I might have known it you big old softy you :Luv:
Great news that they are all staying with you - I'm sure they will repay you.
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Awwwww Karen that's great news :congrats:
I love the pics and haven't they grown :Luv:
What are their names, I know you said before but I have the memory of a goldfish :evillaugh:
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Better start saving for the spays now then Karen!!! Dont envy you having them all needing done at the same time, am glad you are getting pet insurance though, it really is a godsend.
I am sure the CP can give you vouchers Karen
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Glad to hear that you're keeping them, they'll have a good home. :yesss:
When the time comes that you let them into the big outdoors, watch their ears. Put high factor suncream on them. I notice that all but one has white ears.
Lots of fun to come! :rofl:
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Lots of fun to come! :rofl:
this is what happens when you have 4 kittens ! (although 2 arnt in the pic)
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mine all still climb up me curtans now :rofl: :rofl:
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I've only got one and he's managed to shred my voiles by climbing up them, they now have a lovely new pattern of holes in them :rofl: Good luck with 4 of them but lovely that you are keeping them all, they are fab :Luv:
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You nutter! :rofl: :1st place: :heeee heeee: :cheer:
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Ellie, their names are Meeko (black and white) Daisy (tortie) and Belle's the lil grey and white one. All 3 ventured downstairs today for the first time. Belle nearly gave me a heart attack during the night, felt something funny on the side of my face, woke up with a jump and she was licking me. All of them are really cuddly. And all 3 are also using the littertray, I haven't seen one mess outside of it yet. Meeko and Daisy are overly struck on the kitten food yet, whereas Belle loves it. They're the picture of health so they must be getting enough, and are still feeding plenty from Jasmine.
Aww, that's so sweet, Tiggy's mum, thank you :hug:
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Belle nearly gave me a heart attack during the night, felt something funny on the side of my face, woke up with a jump and she was licking me.
:rofl: Belle sounds like she'll be the brave one who tests everything out before the others :rofl:
You must be having so much fun Karen, they're brilliant when kittens, an absolute handful right enough ;D