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Cat Health & Behaviour => Health & Behaviour General => Topic started by: Tasia on May 24, 2012, 19:56:38 PM
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Hi guys,
As some of you already know I had to go to the vets today for Nemo and I have good news for you all...he has put weight on..yipeee.
The vet was very pleased and said he is getting on really well and is very pleased with his weight gain so he even gave him his first injection. Im so relieved that he has finally started to put a little weight on, obviously I still have to keep weighing him but it all looks good. I told the vet also that his poo is quite dark so he said that after worming next week again if it doesnt start to lighten up a wee bit he will send it to the lab for analysis, but at the moment he really isnt worried about it. It isnt black just very dark brown. The main thing is his heart and lungs all sound good..Im so happy tonight and very relieved. Ill try to put some pics up later for you all to see.. Thankyou again for your help and support Ill let you all know how things progress with little Nemo too.. maybe one day ill be able to let him have a little bowl of kitten milk. Im sure he would love it but not yet hey...My little Nemo will one day grow into a big Nemo I hope..thankyou again Tasia xx
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Thats wonderful news and I am sure he will grow up to be a big Kitty Nemo ;D ;D
I am sure there is nothing wrong with him that varying his food wont help but do as vet suggests on food at present ;D
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glad to hear he is doing well poor little Nemo!
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;D Pleased to hear little Nemo is doing well.
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Hi guys, thanks for your kind wishes..Nemo is still getting ok. Keeping an eye on him as last couple of days he has been lip licking alot and even retched again. I think it may be because he is a little scavenger and when Tipsy has finished eating his food Nemo runs to Tipsys plate and licks it clean the little monkey and maybe this is making his tummy a little upset again..apart from that he is behaving like any other little kitten..he lays in my arms and he looks up into my eyes he is the most loving little kitten we could have ever wished for..Thankyou again. Tasia x
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That's great news Tasia. :)
I wonder if it would help to remove any leftover food when Tipsy's finished eating? Anyway, great to hear Nemo's making progress, and indeed we all want Nemo to grow up to be a big and strong Nemo (although maybe Tipsy might not want him too strong :evillaugh: or there'll be fisticuffs at the foodbowls) :)
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Thankyou for your message. Yes we try to get there to remove bowl before Nemo but he is so fast and quite often gets there before any of us have noticed but I will pick bowl up in future as soon as Tipsy finishes. Ive just been watching Nemo and he woke up and is lip licking and swallowing again..oh god, maybe its just one of those days for him. Bless him anyway im sure its nothing and will keep you all posted. Thanks again. Tasia x
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:hug: Try not to worry Tasia (easy for me to say I know) as he may still have spells where he feels a little nauseous. Perhaps it might be worth keeping a little record of anything you notice - like a very brief diary format, and that way you can document it when you go to the vet the next time. I find this helpful sometimes if I know I'll forget stuff.
The main thing is, he's gained some weight, he'd not being repeatedly sick and he's exhibiting typical kitten behaviour. :) It's natural that you'll feel anxious for him. We all know what that feels like. :hug:
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Thankyou Sue, That sounds a good idea.. Nemo did a little poo tonight and it had a tiny wee bit of mucousy (sorry if spelt wrong) looking blood in it..not alot but a tiny bit. Even so I dont like it. So will be back on poo watch and if happens again will ring the vet. Ill deffinately be keeping a diary as you suggested. Last time I went to the vet I had a list of things to ask him which I think he found quite amusing he is a really nice guy. I hope this is nothing and its just his little tummy that is sensitive. Ill keep you informed and thankyou again for your help and kind words. Tasia x
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I'm not sure about this, but one of my older cats has had similar mucussy bloody poo in the past that was really stinky (I mean :sick: really) and our vet gave her a Covenia (long lasting anti-biotic jab) which cured it completely. Turned out it was a bacterial infection that would have taken £££s to diagnose the exact strain/cause but the tresatment with ABs was kind of obvious.
Might be worth a mention?
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How's the ittle feller this morning?
Sounds like an idea worthy of consideration Sheila - it's great that you're keeping such a watchful eye on things as well Tasia - not everyone spots things like that, and it all helps when you're trying to ascertain symptoms/diagnosis and cure.
I'm like that too - questions, questions, questions...... but I often forget what I'm hearing or doubt what I was told, so I have to write it down, or ring again to "double check" :evillaugh:
As one or two here already know, I also have a rather shameful penchant for privately speculating to myself on how long someone has been qualified as a Doctor/Dentist/Surgeon/Vet/Tax Specialist especially if they're asking to look at my teeth, chest, stomach, dog, cat or pension projection :evillaugh: :hug: No harm in asking questions I say. ;)
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Hi Girls,
Well this morning Nemo is full of beans as usual, and hungry so I have been giving him his id. I actually went to tesco and bought him a little piece of fresh cod to poach as I thought this would be also gentle on his tummy, but now I dont know if I should give him it.?
I managed to have a quick look at his poo before he covered it and today could see no blood. His poo is a dark brown colour I hope that is ok? but it was nicely formed (hope Im not making you feel sick for too much info).
I feel a bit more happier today again. This little one of ours is such a worry and its a shame for him to start his life with so many tummy problems but at the moment he seems fine playing etc., I will mention what you said about that injection Sheila if he does another bloody poo..as that sounds very interesting as his poo is quite stinky sometimes.
I always end up questioning myself about what the vet has told me and than I panick so now I always take one of the kids with me so if I cant quite remember what vet said all I have to do is ask them.
Thankyou both again for you concern and your advice. Ill keep you informed on how little Nemo is getting on.
I must try to put a pic up sometime for you..Tasia x
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:evillaugh: :evillaugh: Don't worry Tasia - we're all obsessed with poo at some stage or another on Purrs. :hug: Sounds promising.
I think the fish should be fine for him to try a morsel - delicate enough for a sensitive tum, so long as he doesn't go mad and start ordering a side dish of chips and mushy peas. ;)
It's always a rollercoaster when they start life with health problems. Our dog, Tess (who we lost in February at 14) came to us at ten months old with very dodgy tummy problems caused through an inappropriate diet and a chiefly outside existence. It took us around two years to turn things around for her, and we went through a rare old time of it, but gradually she grew out of the worst of it and we were able to relax her - until then - very restricted diet. In her later years she was able to enjoy most things and the occasional treat too without any adverse effects.
Sending a playful "Hi five" for Nemo. ;)
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There is a probiotic capsule called protexin that my vet gave me for Lupin cos his tummy was very bad for months and months. HE was 10 months when I got him and phewwwwwwwwwww he has just used the litter tray!
In the end it was Hills GI food and half a capsule sprinkled on his food once a day that sorted him.
Trouble was I couldnt find a cat food that didnt make his tummy ill again.
He loved felix but it was a no go and he could eat cooked chicken but not fish...........that was a killer for his tummy.
After trying many cat foods in desperation I tried tescoes own brand chicken in jelly and BINGO! He could eat that with no problem. I tried a box of mixed flavours and only the chicken was OK. Trouble is I found it quite hard to get even at a giant Tescos and they do a packet the same looking but gravy not jelly.
Lupin of course got fed up with eating this all the time and it was felt he had an allergy to something but I had noticed some months on that he was stealing the other cats foods in small amounts and even eating some biscuits..........all biscuits where a nono too cos instantly upset his tummy again.
Lupin is now 1 yr and 9 months old and he eats Sheba little morsals chicken and ham, maybe turkey! He graduated onto that by accident cos it was put down for Misa and Lupin stole it but his tummy stayed OK.
I think with Lupin his tummy was just very irratated and once getting him stable for a couple of months on a food which doesnt upset him, then the key was the protexin and finding another food he could eat. For some reason Tescos chicken in jelly was found to be the one and after him being stable on that for a couple of months with protexin if his tummy went again, he then moved on all by himself and now he wont eat felix or the tesco chicken and occasionaslly steals a few biscuits but his tummy has been stable for ages now. He sneaks any food he fancies from the others but only in small amounts.
As Nemo is so much younger, I would check with the vet what doseage to give of protexin but suspect half a capsule will be fine, I tried Lacto B at the begginning but this didnt help at all. Only give protexin if his tummy goes and stop once its better again.
Lupin had all the same problems that Nemo has but white fish was an absolute killer and sent his tummy right back to its worse.
I hope Nemo stays well but think the key is finding something that doesnt upset them and then once stable its trial and error
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Good point Gill - just been having a furterh scout round for info on this following Tasia's train of thought and found this:
http://cat-purrfect.com/cat-nutrition/fish-bad-for-cats/
which presumably is why tuna is only really meant to be an occasional treat for cats, notwithstanding the fact they love it!
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Hi again everyone,
Thankyou all again for all your storys and advice. I have now decided I wont give Nemo the cod, instead Ill have it for my tea :evillaugh:...Im a little worried to as after eating he did retch a wee bit again. So I think for the time Ill just leave him on the hills id..It seems I may have to leave him on this for a few months, atleast until he gets bigger and stronger and than maybe like you Gill I may be able to give him some different foods. I really dont want to make matters worse. Im an absolute nervous wreck around this kitten watching his every move and expression on his little face he is such a special little boy and all I want is for him to be well.
It was very interesting reading that article about the fish Sue, as I have actually heard this before, that Fish is not good for cats, but I thought it must be a joke. I suppose Cats are carnivores and meat is really all they need.
Anyway girls you are all amazing and I really appreciate your support, Its scary having a kitten but even scarier when they are not well so Im glad I have you guys I can ask questions too...Thanks again. Tasia xx
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It is scary having a kitten, but then I think it's scary whenever we commit to something we end up loving. :hug: :hug: We just want the best for them. I love that we can share ideas and ask questions on Purrs too - in 24 years of cat ownership we'd never encountered ear mites before we got Ross - I was in a bit of a mild panic, I can tell you - was so worried. His ears are fine now (touch wood) and just as well - I don't think my constitution would've taken much more. His ear nibbling I can live with (seeing as it's my ears he nibbles :evillaugh:) just so long as he's contented. :)
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Aww thanks Sue and totally agree with the loving bit we have only had him a month and wouldnt be without him now, he is so adorable.. Also love the bit about the ear nibbling, how cute xx
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Hi girls, ive put some pics of Nemo and Tipsy up on the newbie section. I ended up ringing vet as another poo was done and it had blood in it. Anyway have to collect 3 days worth of poo starting from today thats if he carries on bleeding tomorrow etc., and then vet will send of to lab. Ill keep you updated xx
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Well 3 days of poo should give the vet something to get his teeth into (metaphorically....) :shify:
A hug for you and Nemo :hug:
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Thankyou Sue XX
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Hope it keeps OK as this is the Jubilee weekend and the labs may not have many staff on till next Wednesday! Maybe ask the vet about that just in case it is a waste of poo collecting duties!
Hope it settles soon. He may have been nibbling something when you were not looking and caused bowel inflammation.
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Thankyou I will. Nemo is always going around nibbling at bits and pieces on the floor he is like a tiny hoover...xx
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Now, you might want to check with the vet when they actually want these samples in, because the lab will be closed over the bank holidays, so your carefully collected three samples may actually be useless by next Wednesday when the lab rats are back at work. :doh:
If the samples arrive on Friday they will sit in the postbox all week-end. Your vet may say "Oh yeah, good point" and suggest you start taking the samples on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday morning so they can be sent fresh to the lab. :shocked:
Edit : Aaahaaa great minds, Souffle, your post pipped mine!
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Will do..Thanks Sheila xx
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Hi Girls,
Just to let you know that last night I was so worried about little Nemo as he started the swallowing lip licking thing again, than all of a sudden let out a yowl..I was a bit panicked so was my daughter, but he was ok after and went to sleep he wasnt sick or anything. One thing we have noticed is that his tummy makes alot of noises, rumbling and stuff...(Sounds like world war 3)..its like he is full of gas. He slept well all night and woke with an amazing appetite this morning, although tummy is still gurgling...Anyway the good news is that he just did a nice brown normal poo...no blood atall...Honestly I really dont know if im coming or going with him. Anyway keeping my fingers xd that it continues....Ill keep you updated and thanks for your support..xx
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it is horrible, I had this with tilly she was tested for everything and nothing could be found but in the end three months on royal canin prescription food settled her down
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Hi Dawn oh god really...im so glad your little one is now ok..Yes its so worrying isnt it I keep googling things too and that doesnt help. I cant seem to find anyone that has all these symptoms...Did your cat retch too after eating as Nemo went through a phase of retching after eating but that did stop for a while. When he started doing it again last night my heart went in my mouth. x
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my vet said if the blood was red then nothing to worry about..............well as long as its not a lot.
we were heading towards tests but never got there cos intestinal gastrial food plus protexin stopped all the probs, yes it was ig food that lupin had not id.
he was also starving hungry but once his tummy got settled his appetite reduced to normal.
obviously nemo is not on kitten food so maybe isnt getting enough of the right kind of kitten food?
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Hi Gill maybe you are right there. Its something Ill have to ask my vet about if things dont improve with Nemo..xx
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no she didn't retch it was just horrible poo and gurgling stomach - I think was Gill says is right, I took Oscar once after seeing blood in his poo, the vet said that their stomachs are quite easily aggravated obviously you should ignore it but shouldn't worry too much either
I would check as well as the others have said about the samples I made the mistake of taking tillys first on in on a friday afternoon and he threw it in the bin because he knew it wouldn't get dealt with over the weekend
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Also there was never alot of blood just a tiny wee bit...What you said about Lupin being starving hungry that is exactly how little Nemo is like, he goes mad for his food..he kind of turns into a little ferral terror..honestly you would think I never fed him. Than he goes to sleep and when he wakes up the lip licking and swallowing thing starts just like he is about to be sick..after a few minutes of this he is fine again...It doesnt happen everytime but last couple of days we have been noticing it again..xx
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i know you are really worried about nemo but personally i think the tests are just a waste of money and as dawn says there little tums seem to get aggrevated very easily.
the key to this seems to be to get there tummys settled and think if you havent you need to ask you ve.t about protexin also.
as far as sam[ples are concerned dawn is right, i was told that the ssample had to go there withing 24 hrs but as close to being produced as possible. so 3 samples equal three trips and three seperate tests and three costs, i think you vet is playing you for a bit of a patsy tbh.
i dont see why he needs 3 seperate samples, did he explain why?
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Hi gill, It was actually the nurse that I spoke to. She told me to collect 3 days worth of samples yesterday, today and tomorrow and take them down (only if they have blood in them). She said if they send off 3 samples they have more chance of finding parasites if Nemo has any...I will mention all what you have told me when I see the vet if it is tomorrow...(hope not) or my next appointment which is week after next. If Nemo tummy and lip licking is still going on Ill write down all the things you have suggested and see what vet says..Thankyou so much xx
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I really recommend that you speak to the vet not a nurse before doing this as it goes against what my vet and Dawns vet say about the life of the samples
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Same here, my vet told me he COULD spend weeks testing for the cause, or he COULD just treat for the most common causes: acid stomach and bacterial gut infection. Hence the Covenia jab, which cost me about £40 I think as opposed to £100s for tests, and worked a treat.
I prefer this type of approach, yes, we may never find out what caused it but if the vet is Animal focussed as opposed to Money oriented (and believe me I've seen more than my gutfull of the latter!) and they have the experience to call the shot, and the treatment works in 90% of the cases, then it benefits everyone.
Not being funny, here but many of us on Purrs have seen or know of un-worthy vets who think nothing of stringing out a diagnosis to max out on profit (regardless of whether the cat is insured!)
I'd try another vet practice, personally, for a second opinion. I'd stay clear of the big chain practices (the one here beginning with G springs to mind >:( ) and go for one that's recommended by your local cat rescue as being reliable and trustworthy. The new vet will need to get the treatment history from your old vet but this is never anything other than professional completeness, and not an attempt to undermine you as the owner, so don't let this put you off getting a second opinion from another practise, OK?
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Well explained, Sheila. I wouldn't part with our vet for the world. He may be brusque and matter-of-fact, but he's proved his worth in that regard.
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Vets are either so good , middling or pretty useless.
My current vets are part of a practice which is spread out over my part of Wales and they are brilliant. But as often is the case not every vet of theres is good and in the two years that Napoleon was looked after I met a number of them and even complained toi my normal vet about at least one of the others, who was terrible.
They will not criticise one of te others but what this one did was so serious ands my vet who is one of the partners said he would speak to the senior vet and ask him to talk to the bad one.
Also had problems with a couple of others who just didnt have a clue and this is one advantage of having a number of vets available.
Up to this time I would have agreed with Sue and gone for a smaller imdependant practise as long as the vet was someone I could talk to and they listened.
Tasia I am sure we are worrying you but please dont be worried, make a list of questions and ask your vet to ring you. If you dont get satisfaction go for a second opinion but I am 99% sure that Nemo is OK and just needs to get his tummy settled and this could take a couple of months.
I was told a bit of red blood no problem cos that is new but black blood more serious. I was really given an option for tests and came close a number of times but in the end with maybe more luck than judgement, Lupins tummy became solid and blood free and trail an error eventually we got him OK. The total time seemed like forever and reckon it took about 5-6 months overall.
He is now stealing food that he fancies and doing well.
Sending lots of cuddles to Nemo and if he is chasing around like a kitten then this is a sign he is not feeling ill :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Hi girls,
Thankyou all for your advice and your help I really really appreciate it. Im with a vet called blythewood. They have only a few practices. My vet does seem very nice and understanding so ill see what happens when I see him next and see how he is when I take my piece of paper down with the questions on. Last time I did this he smiled and was very nice about it so I think he probably is quite approachable. If I dont feel he is doing a good job than I will go elsewhere. Actually Ive got a local cat rescue just down the road here so Im going to email them now for their advice on vets around here..
I am worried for Nemo as he is the most perfect little kitten you could ever want he runs up to you for cuddles and looks into your eyes he is so amazing and all I want is for him to be well. But if that means im going to have to get second opinions than I will.
Nemo seems bit quiet today he tends to sleep alot during the day but comes more alive in the evening when we are all tired. But we still play with him to try to wear him out for the night.
Thankyou all again for your help. Im still on poo watch obviously and will let you know how things go.
Just one more thing I would like to ask sometimes Nemos miaoww sounds a bit strange like he has a cold or something than it goes back to normal again. Im probably just going over the top now with everything he does.
Sorry if that last question sounds silly..xx
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Sorry dont know about the meow but sure he is OK :hug:
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I think cats have a range of meows depending on the circumstances I always recognise the one which says "! am bringing you a little present"!!! Seriously I am sure it is noting to worry about I hope Nemo's other problem is sorted soon He sounds a lovely little boy
Sending :hug: :hug: to you both
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Thankyou Peggy and Gill...xx
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I've four cats and each of them make different sounds from no sound at all to strangled crow sound, I wouldn't worry :hug:
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Thanks so much Dawn...Nemo did a wee poo and it had no blood in it...so happy..xx
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thats good news, we do get excited about poo here sadly lol!
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:evillaugh: We do, we do - we often talk poo. ;)
Paddy used to have a meow like a rusty hinge. Mac's was the oddest little "Squeeewheeeewheeeee!". Ross has quite a loud Wrrrreeeow.
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My Beau was the "Flora" cat until he was nearly two - if you remember the Flora advert where the hubby was outside the shop window, soundlessly mouthing "Flora" to his wife inside, likewise Beau's mouth opened but no sound came out :shy: Nowadays he has a few noises, mainly "Ewwo" loudly at 4am and "ackack" when he wants strokes. He also swallows and burps, and sneezes, but he's OK and has done this all his 14 years.
Polly has a little scratchy "mwack mwack" noise, or a single note, a perfect high C which she saves for the fridge door.
Sam has a full orchestra of sounds, most of which mimic human words, mainly "Ewwo", "Waaah", "Mumum" and "me-out-now"
Sly says "PpppprrrriiiiiNG!"
Theo shouts "YOW!"
Chubby purrs like a train, but then chokes on his own dribble.
All different, all normal ;D
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Thankyou girls for telling me about your kitties miaowws all so different. I guess thinking about it Tipsy doesnt always sound the same too.
Sadly I have to take Nemo to the vet. He really doesnt seem too well. He woke up and was swallowing hard and his stomach was making so many noises he looked really uncomfortable and was miaowing.. It really frightened me. I rang the vet and have made appointment for today at 5. Poor little Nemo I hope he is going to be ok. Ill let you all know what the vet says. xx
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Hoping its a bit of sour stomach, I think this can be quite common in cats. It may also be a food allergy or intolerance, so take a pack of his usual food with you for vet's info. Good luck.
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Poor little guy :( It sounds like maybe he does have a bug overgrowing in the bowel and maybe some antibiotics will sort that out. Long term bacterial overgrowth can damage the bowel wall and stop them absorbing their food properly which may explain his slow growth. I really hope he can get something to help him tonight xx
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How did you get on at the vet Tasia?
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Sorry for late reply Ive had such a mad night, with children and cats......Well this time I saw a different vet he was very nice and helpful and gave Nemo a really good examination. He told me Nemo has put on 20 grams since last Thursday only...But I think 20 grams is ok atleast he isnt loosing weight hey? He said he cant really see anything wrong physically with Nemo but he has a pot belly so has given me some worming sachets again to put over his food and also I have to use the worming stuff on the skin..he said that maybe he was really infested with worms and parasites and that is what is causing all these problems but he isnt really sure He feels by giving him this second dose of worming will rule it all out... I also asked him Gill about the protexin (hope that is the name) and the IG food..he said that all these foods are very simular and gentle on the guts so to leave him on hills id but to give the protexin a go and see what happens. So I have this paste to give Nemo for 3 days.
Im hoping all this will settle the tummy, otherwise the vet said the next thing will be blood tests..he said that they have ruled out alot of things so far...Im so worried for my little boy I pray that over the next few days with the worming etc., he will be better..Thankyou all for your concern Ill let you know how he is tomorrow...Tasia xxx
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Glad they've dropped the three stools idea, Tashia.
Sounds like this latest vet is nearer the mark, to be honest. The Panacur granules are pretty much tasteless (I'm assuming Panacur?) but you might want to make double sure they get eaten by stirring in a few flakes of canned tuna to make his dinner extra delicious.
Please don't worry, the little guy will get through this. I think it's premature to be talking about blood tests as kittens of his age may show many of his mother's antibodies at this age, which may give you false positives and negatives.
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aw poor Nemo, hope he feels better soon :Luv:
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Protexin paste!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Capsules would be so much easier for you cos the contents are tasteless and you just breeak open the capsule and sprinkle half on the food...........sigh
Yes Lupin was given loads of worming stuff too, I dont think he had any worms and made no difference but he didnt have a pot belly, so hope it will help/
However it sounds to me and I maybe so wrong that all the noises in his tummy are hunger. Lupin didnt have any noises but he was a real piggy, once his tummy got better he wasnt a piggy any more.
I am sure the vet is right and the foods are very similiar but they are not the same and cant remember what id stands for, ig, maybe its gi lol stands for Gastro Intestinal and it was the second special food that the vet tried him on. The first one Lupin didnt like very much and it didnt help.
I hope the vet has got closer this time, poor little Nemo. The food thing he is putting on weight, not a lot but on is so much better than losing it :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Hi girls, thankyou for your replies.
Yes its a wee bit awkward with the paste as I dont really think he likes it but he is such a hungry little kitty he licks some than he walks away then he comes back for more and it does take a while to get down him but I did manage it and I will wait until this latest food has digested in his tum to give him the second dose.
Yes the worming treatment is panacur.. I sprinkle a wee bit over his food. I cant really give him anything apart from the id but he has absolutely no trouble in gulping it all down.
He is always on the lookout for food its as if he is ravenous. When we sit down at the table to eat he sits by us watching. I didnt think cats did this sort of thing only dogs (ive had dogs in the past) he watches every mouthful of food you take..honestly you would think I never fed him...so yes Gill maybe you are right about the rumbling tummy that maybe it has to do with hunger.
Yes I agree that atleast he is putting on a tiny bit of weight and tiny is better than none atall or loosing it isnt it.. I have to go back again next Friday to get Nemo weighed as the vet didnt want to wait until the following week to weigh him (he has appt for 2nd injection). The vet told me he sees alot of rspca kittens and they are mostly in better shape than Nemo!!! omg..but he did say he has seen really skinny kittens that have grown into big cats..so im hoping that is what will happen to Nemo too.
Yesterday he was so sweet at the vet as when he walked back into his wee basket he started kneeding on his blanket and he rubs his little mouth against it too..its as if he thinks its his mummy..bless little Nemo he is such a little darling boy.
Thankyou all again for your help. Nemo seems to be quite lively today but he is sleeping now and usually all the lip licking and swallowing business starts just after he wakes up from a sleep, so lets see what happens.
No blood in poo again today.
Ill keep you all updated. xx
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Hi again,
Nemo just did a poo and it had blood in it a bit more than usual..Do you think its because of the medicine going through him? Also my husband was looking after him today and said he was eating alot of food Tipsy had left in the bowl >:( honestly men, I cant trust him to look after the kitten for 5 mins.. Maybe him eating some of that food hasnt helped too..
I really dont know whether I should ring vet again xx
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If he has worms, this may be causing the blood, so def finish the three days of Panacur before calling the vet again unless his general health goes downhill.
erhem :smack: for your other half!
Glad he's not letting this get him down, as he seems to be a very loving little boy. He's lucky to have you. :hug:
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Hi Sheila...I did laugh at the smack on the bottom (my hubby)..Yes I really felt like doing that to him and more when he told me...Ok ill do as you say and leave it another day..
Nemo was sick before it was brown it looked a bit like the paste I had given him earlier. He has been very quiet today and hasnt eaten very much.
Ill see how things go and if no improvement may have to take him to vet tomorrow..
Thanks so much for replying Sheila. Ill always keep you informed. So worried about Nemo really xxx
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Oh dear Girls, what a terrible worrying evening ive had. Nemo was sick again it was brown but not dark brown as ive heard that it could be blood when brown in colour? Im just guessing its either all what happened earlier with my stupid husband not watching him properly or maybe a bit of both the food and the paste upsetting his tummy.
He has been sleeping alot today he did drink a bit of water. Now the last half hour he finally ate some food for the first time since this morning and this food had his wormer in so im especially pleased.
...Oh dear I dont know how much more I can take my nerves are dreadful.
If he is still unwell tomorrow even if there is still blood in the poo im going to have to ring the vet again I dont want to give him the paste again if that was the culprit..All he keeps doing is miaowing and wants cuddles. God love little Nemo my poor little boy.
Ill let you know how things are tomorrow. x
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Its very likely to be the stolen food that's made him poorly again. However, he's eaten tonight and had some fluids, thats important and means he's feeling better.
The main thing you can do tonight is not to panic, as he will pick up on your stress and this could make him stressed too, and more sick as a result. Stress is the cause of a number of common ailments in cats and this includes received stress from owners. So lots of cuddles and sleep for you both.
I hope your hubby has learned his lesson, the kitten is hungry and will munch anything he gets his paws on, so its important hubby is on-board with this or junior will never get the strict diet he needs to recover from this.
You'll find one or two other :nawty: hubbies on here, sometimes they need a firm telling off and written instructions before they finally "get" it. Either that or make him pay the next vet bill out of his beer/season ticket/golf club membership money :evillaugh:
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Its more like to be what he has eaten making the sick brown I think'
It could be there is too much paste and if so that could make him ill. half a capsule of protexin once a day is all he needs at the most. So you need capsules from the vet not this bloomin paste!
I think that strict watch must be kept on the little man and he must have enough of his special food and know Lupin used to try and steal food from anywhere but if not left temptation he will eat his own food. Dont forget and leave biscuits in his reach.
Another thing that can make him sick is if he is starving and gobbles his food too quick.
Meals need to be small and often and Sheila is so right about the stress.
I think the best way to gauge how well he is, is by how he is acting and if he is playing and running around. If he is doing this and eating and drinking he is more like to be Ok.
You need to try and stop worrying and try and keep him from the vets for a while to allow him to settle.....you can ring the vets to get protexin capsules.
He is possible extra hungry cos he really should be on kitten food but cant be at present.
I know just what you are going through cos I was there with Lupin but he was older and bigger than little Nemo but it was still a worry.
Try and relax and give him lots of cuddles :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Hi Girls, its 12.25 and im still not in bed. I came on here to see if you replied and you have made me feel so much better thankyou so much. Little Nemo ate some more food and he has gone up to bed with my daughter for the night. My daughter is 16 and loves him dearly. She will keep an eye on him for me tonight as Im not sleeping too well lately.
I take onboard everything you say and I will ring the vet tomorrow about the protexin. Nemo did have a bit of diarreh (so sorry that its spelt wrong) this evening but just a wee bit.
His appetite did come back though so im really happy and now after reading your replies I do feel much better.
Thankyou girls. I shall go to bed now and sleep.
Ill be intouch tomorrow.
night night xx
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Hi,
Just a note about the protexin as I use this and have done on two greedy kittens !
Vet uk do protexin professional 5g sachets for £2.49 each , much easier to just sprinkle on food and mix in.
There is another good probiotic called Aviproplus , also from VetUK,, big tub of 100g for around £6.50 . Very good for poorly cats, just mix a scoop in food the same .
Well worth keeping these in , I wouldn't be without it
Hope he is better soon :hug:
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I think you will find capsules much easier to use because there is so little powder and you can just pull the capsules apart sprinkle out half and then put the capsule together again. You can also use a smaller dose
They can also be bought online and I had some from the vet and bought some more............where are they ! Have found them!
So I used 20 capsules from the vet and another 20 that I bought from Vet UK, so it took 80 days before I was sure that Lupin was OK and before that we had about 6-8 weeks when nothing was working and I had tried lacto B.
Incidently these probiotics are for loose stools not sickness and Abs can cause all the good bacteria in the stomach to be killed and these help to build up the good bacteria just like probiotic yogart.
Sorry if you knew this.
I have looked at the box and cant find how much is in each capsule but a whole capsule is meant for a dog, it says.
It cost me £18,35 for 50 capsules, vat and P&P and just looking at the date it was 12 Feb 12, so think Lupin or someone must have an upset tummy and what I said above about 80 days was not right......I think I used them on Sasa this year not Lupin. So used about 30 days worth on Lupin in one go but that was after trying loads of other stuff food wise and he may have had abs jabs and did have worming stuff.
Lupin arrived with me on 1 Jul 11 and was immediately neutered and he was 10 months old. After being neutered his tummy went and went and went and reckon it was at least two months before we got to the right food and protexin.
Bed time LOL
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Just popping by to say I hope you managed to get some sleep Tasia, and to say I hope Nemo is perkier this morning.
You'll find one or two other hubbies on here, sometimes they need a firm telling off and written instructions before they finally "get" it.
And yes - I second this - I have one..... :-[ :evillaugh:
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the worms dying can cause cats to vomit, if this is the case you should see the worms :sick:
My Neko was on the kitty face paint paste (so nicknamed by Helen :evillaugh:) for a few weeks, i used to just put it on top of his food i think but hed have eaten the plate given half the chance :evillaugh: so no trouble getting him to eat it. this shouldnt be upsetting his stomach but if it is the cause the capsules will do the same, id be more inclined to stick with the paste if it were me and just check with the vet about it possibly making Nemo sick, if it works, move onto the capsules longer term? i think the unusual foods the more likely culprit, would be very rich and he may well have gulped it
:hug: Nemo will get better,hes a lucky boy- the kneading on the blanket is because it smells like your family and thats where he feels safe and happy which reminds him of the safe and happy feeling he had with his mum so whatever else the wee lad is going though, he knows hes loved and he knows hes found his family ;D
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I've been using Promax paste for my little guys when they get upset tums (same stuff, generic brand) and this has worked but is messy and difficult to control dosage.
Gill, are they Protexin Symbiotic DC capsules you like? I'd like to try Polly on some as she's still got a bit of a gurgly tum and has had some diarrhea this week too. She's had up and down tum since she arrived on March 19th, vet thinks its just her age (12) and sudden change of lifestyle for her and is not worried as she's gained weight and is very happy, but thinks she may benefit from a few more good bacteria. Animed are pushing out 50 caps for £14.50 inc delivery!
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Yes those are the capsules Sheila and thats a good price if its 50 ;D
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I used the sachets as the vet gave me a couple once when I first got Pandora ans she went round hoovering all the food including Whiskers wet and Felix wet when I went to bed . All litters trays had been used by her at least twice and she had to have her bum washed. Few times .
I found them really good and effective.
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Just popping by to say I hope you managed to get some sleep Tasia, and to say I hope Nemo is perkier this morning.
You'll find one or two other hubbies on here, sometimes they need a firm telling off and written instructions before they finally "get" it.
And yes - I second this - I have one..... :-[ :evillaugh:
Aww that is so cute about the blanket brought tears to my eyes. Yes unfortunately my hubby is the sort that cant be told..he is greek maybe that has alot to do with it lol..
Thank you all girls for your advice again,. Today Nemo is alot better although still have a bit of diarreh but we havent seen any blood today in it also Nemo has had no vomiting today and is playing loads more eating well and more alert.
I rang up my vet this morning and it was only an hour ago they rang me back. I asked them about the paste and she told me to finish it off today that it couldnt have been the paste that would cause the sickness as this is very very gentle on the tummy. Ive only got enough left for today anyway. It was just 3 days worth..I said Nemo was sick yesterday but seems much better today and his diarreh is getting thick bits in it..I was told this sounded good and that Nemo seems like he is on the mend and to just keep an eye on him if he goes down hill again to ring the emergency vet.
Im just hoping he isnt sick again now Ive just finished off giving him the paste. He is eating very well today I must say and I feel happier about him. Ive never seen worms in his sick or his poo I really dont know if its parasites causing these problems. I have finished his worming today too but tomorrow I have to put the stronghold on him tomorrow. He did wake up again with that look on his face he usually looks like that just before he starts retching but thankgod no retching came. he lip licked and swallowed again but it didnt last long and he fell back to sleep.
Thankyou all again for your help , I really dont know what I would do without you all..Tipsy doesnt seem well today he has been sneezing alot and sleeping which is very unlike him, but he just ate a full bowl of Felix and has gone back to sleep so im hoping maybe he just has a chill...honestly if its not one its the other...
Sorry for late reply but was waiting for the vet to ring..Actually didnt speak to the vet again he was too busy it was the nurse again..
Ill be intouch with an update tomorrow...(thats if all goes ok tonight)..many thanks again xxx :thanks:
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Can someone please advise on putting Stronghold on so soon after a digestive treatment? Not sure but there might be some contra-indications? I don't use it so haven't got the sheet handy, but I'd be cautious with such a small cat?
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Hi Sheila,
I just popped on...I wont put the stronghold on yet if you think I shouldnt. It is the one for the kittens. My vet told me to use it after the worming sachet..Nemo still has diarreh too and had a little blood in it again tonight. But he is very lively still. Ill come on again tomorrow for more advice...Tasia xx
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Just being ultra cautious, Tasia, if there's no sign of fleas on him at the moment I'd hold off until his tummy is at least a little more settled.
The fewer variables to cause problems, the better, and some (very, very few) small cats can react to flea treatments (sluggish, sleepy) so if its going to cause more worry, just hold off for a wee while.
Baby steps, my brother calls it. One at a time, slow and steady she goes...then you can gauge what's working, and what's not.
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Contra indications/warnings for Stronghold from NOAH ......
http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Pfizer_Limited/Stronghold_Spot-On_Solution_for_Cats__ACY-amp_ADs-_Dogs/-31092.html
Specifically this may be what you were thinking of Sheila?
Do not use in cats that are suffering from concomitant disease, or are debilitated and underweight (for size and age).
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Hi Tasia,
I work at a vets and can try and ask a few people to see if they have any other ideas what could be the problem.
There is a condition called portosystemic shunt which some of the symptoms sound a little like. We have had kittens in with this before and it is a congenital condition that effects the blood flow to the liver. Obviously i do not want to frighten you and i am not saying this is what it is as it could be many things. The next step to find out if it could be this would be to perform a blood test.
The increased stomach sounds are probably due to a large build up of gas. The other thing i was going to ask is whether the vet has sent off a sample of poo to be cultured as it may be some kind of bacteria.
Just a couple of ideas!
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Hi girls,
Thankyou again for replies. I will hold off on the stronghold for a few days than and I will mention it again to my vet when I see him Friday to make sure that its ok for Nemo to use as he is underweight.
I cant see any fleas on him atall, no itching or anything.
The vet said if there is no improvement the next step will be blood tests. I havent taken poo samples down yet, but maybe that is something im going to have to do next too if no improvement in weight etc.,
I dont like the sound of the liver thing..im really worried now. but as long as I can make him better I dont care.
He is eating very well still and lively. I dont know if he has diarreh today as he hasnt done a poo yet. All this diarreh and vomiting started after the vet giving me all those medicines for him, bless him his little tummy obviously cant take alot. Im deffinately not giving him the stronghold yet.
Thanks again girls for all your help and advice. Ill come back later and let you know what kind of day Nemo has had. At the moment he is kneeding again on his favourite blanket and rubbing his nose on it..so sweet.. xx
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Hi Tasia,
I work at a vets and can try and ask a few people to see if they have any other ideas what could be the problem.
There is a condition called portosystemic shunt which some of the symptoms sound a little like. We have had kittens in with this before and it is a congenital condition that effects the blood flow to the liver. Obviously i do not want to frighten you and i am not saying this is what it is as it could be many things. The next step to find out if it could be this would be to perform a blood test.
The increased stomach sounds are probably due to a large build up of gas. The other thing i was going to ask is whether the vet has sent off a sample of poo to be cultured as it may be some kind of bacteria.
Just a couple of ideas! Amanda thankyou for your help too xx
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I think Nemo is doing very well and that given a chance he will just keep on improving ;D
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Thanks Gill x....Just a bit of an update. Yesterday Nemo although full of beans and very lively did a poo that was soft again with a tinybit of blood so I decided to ring the emergency vet. It was actually the vet that I saw on Friday which was good because I didnt have to start explaining everything again. He told me that as long as Nemo is not lethargic or not eating etc., than not too worry and that I have to bring him back to the vet Wednesday with a poo sample. I said to him that the diarrhea and him being sick on Saturday started after me giving him the wormer and paste. He told me that this would not make him ill and that he feels these symptoms he has now is just the next step of whatever problem he has. I boiled him up a little bit of chicken to mix into his id and he has been loving it his poo has got a wee bit thicker today and he is playing loads too. It still had a wee bit of blood. The vet told me that Nemo is hungry because he is not getting any nutrients through his body with the food!... At the end of the day Nemo seems to be a very happy little boy with lots of energy especially these last two days he is not waking up lip licking or swallowing so that is a plus too as that was happening loads before the weekend I havent seen him do it atall since he had the paste...so in some ways he is better its just this soft poo ive got to sort out..
Ill be intouch again tomorrow to let you know what vet says..xx
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This new vet sounds very sensible, Tasia. I'd stick with him if you can (ask when you make the appointment to see this vet specifically so you don't have to start from scratch each time).
Kitten food is quite a bit higher in calories than ordinary grub so without it Nemo's little body is craving those extra calories. If he's still hungry, try giving him more frequent small meals to compensate (remember, cat tummys are mouse sized - any more than this and it's puke time :sick: )
I think he's doing just fine, some kittens tums just take that bit longer to settle than others, don't worry you're doing everything right. :hug:
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I know its easy to say Hun but I really wouldnt worry too much about a little blood in his poo - when my Bengals were babies we had a nightmare with them having the runs and blood in their poop, it turned out that they cant eat any foods containing grain (but thats another chapter - LOL) have any of the vets suggested feeding Nemo with Hills AD to build him up - The breeder that my cats come from always uses it in kittens that are struggling to gain weight. There is a condition called malabsorbtion where the kitten does not take enough goodness/nutrients from the food - has your vet looked into this?
Baby Nemo is gorgeous and I hope he is all better soon :hug:
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Hi girls,
Thankyou for your replies. The vet told me that if Nemo starts to improve than they will look into giving him some different food he said to keep Nemo on the ID for now as it has alot of nutrients in it but also very gentle on his tummy. I suppose if the poo samples come back ok and he has put on a small bit of weight maybe that will be what he suggests to do next. I really hope we dont have to start giving him blood tests as the vet said Nemo would have to be put under for it..His little legs are so so skinny I cant see where they would be able to put a needle, anyway im praying that it doesnt come to that. Nemo little tum looks big to me compared to the rest of his body but maybe im imagining it. Ill mention about the malabsorbtion to him too tomorrow...Thankyou girls again for your replies ill keep you updated xx
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Tasia - his poor little tum may indeed look enlarged - if he has irritation and a build up of gas, then it follows his tummy can swell - a bit like in humans with irritable bowel syndrome. Your vet sounds like an understanding chap, so try not to worry and pre-judge the situation before the next appointment. You're giving the little fellow so much love and care, he's got an excellent chance of getting this resolved. :hug:
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Sending lots of love to Nemo :hug: :hug:
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Adding my thoughts to Gill's. :hug: :hug:
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Thankyou Gill and Sue for your loving thoughts to Nemo.
To update you:..On Wednesday vet asked me to drop off Nemos poo..I had two days worth....Vet didnt want to see Nemo as I told him he was fine, full of life and a very naughty wee kitten up to all sorts, even climbed up my blinds in the front room! hee hee..
Today different story. although Nemo still a happy wee chap. He has been waking up lip licking, swallowing and has retched too.
He has only been doing two soft poos a day the last couple of days no blood. but today a tiny wee amount again..
I took him to vet and he has put on 150grams in a week...Im over the moon about that.
Vet has decided to send poo off tonight as said it doesnt matter that it is a few days old...he didnt send it off on Wednesday as he thought nemo would be fine..he said if it comes back no parasites, next on the list is blood tests and even an xray of stomach..He said he really thought after the weekend Nemo would be ok but has given him these antibiotics to try for a week as apparently they are good for the stomach..Vet mentioned it may be the liver shunt, be he is not sure about anything at the moment, just crossing off the list..
I love him so much and it breaks my heart to think it might be something really awful..
Just to let you girls know the latest about my little tiny lad...Thankyou for all your concern and ill keep you updated.
He was playing so much with Tipsy tonight but then started to retch again. I think it was probably the antibiotics and sometimes Tipsy lands on his tummy when playing and he is a big heavy boy...xx
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Sorry as I didnt end the post. Sometimes they both play quite roughly and maybe this is why Nemo started to retch.
He seems to be a happy wee boy tonight and is still eating very well girls and as ive said he has put all that weight which I think is amazing although still looks so skinny. Just praying that he will be ok and that it isnt anything serious.
Vet will ring me in the week to let me know about the poo sample..ill let you all know what he says...
Thanks again for all your support for Nemo....Tasia and Nemo xxx
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Tasia, it sounds as if your vet is quite relaxed about the whole thing.
I think you too can relax bit more. All cats vomit, kittens surrounded by grown ups are likely to get winded. It's just a part of growing up with big brothers :shocked: :doh:
Wait for the results and watch his eating habits - so long as he's eating and drinking a little, you really don't need to worry too much. :)
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I agree with Sheila and think that Nemo is fine and if he has put on all that weight in a week, he is doing well. I just think his tummy is a bit sensitive but will improve as he gets older :hug: :hug: :hug:
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So good to hear he's gained that weight :wow: Tasia - you and your vet are doing all of the right things, checking, eliminating various things and looking at all avenues. :hug: :hug:
Am going to be away for a week but sending you and Nemo shedloads of positive vibes and loving thoughts. :hug: :hug:
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So good to hear he's gained that weight :wow: Tasia - you and your vet are doing all of the right things, checking, eliminating various things and looking at all avenues. :hug: :hug:
Am going to be away for a week but sending you and Nemo shedloads of positive vibes and loving thoughts. :hug: :hug:
Aww..Thankyou so much Sue, and thankyou all for being so positive as im a nervous wreck really..Last night Nemo fell to sleep on his fav blanket at the bottom of my bed. I know its probably wrong but I usually keep him with me just to check on him all night. Its very tiring though as he is up and awake usually at 5.30 but I dont care as long as he is ok. Anyway around 2.30 I woke up to find him retching on the floor next to my bed really violently..I was beside myself I managed to calm him down and decided to sleep downstairs on the couch and let nemo run around and play with his toys after that awful episode. He wasnt sick or anything I dont know what is causing that again maybe it is the antibiotic..Than this morning when I went into the kitchen to feed him I thought I saw blood inside his mouth..well as you can imagine, I nearly died my husband came running in to see what was going on(again) and told me to put my blooming glasses on...lol..it was just his pink tongue..I think im actually cracking up here...Anyway never mind today Nemo is fine and eating and playing. I will try to calm myself down and stop worrying so much...He is such a sweet little thing, cant help but love and worry about him.
Thankyou again girls..you always manage to make me feel better..
Ill keep you all updated. xx :hug:
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oh they do make us worry don't they! I hope they can sort out what is going on with him, although as the others say if he is putting on weight that has to be a good thing
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Tasia, keep those glasses by your bedside or you're going to end up in therapy :Crazy:
Pleased to hear he's better today. :)
Wretching is something we find painful and disgusting when it happens to us, cats seem to almost enjoy a good wretch! I have eight of 'em and never a day goes by that I don't either stand in a pile of cold sick :sick: or need to shovel a pile out from behind the radiator/cat bed/sofa >:( I have a roll of kitchen paper and a spray cleaner in every room :shy:
Get the hang of it, learn to relax when little Nemo starts chugging. You're doing fine :hug:
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Hi Girls..Yes Sheila Ill deffinately be keeping my glasses next to me from now on lol.....Just to let you know Nemo has had a good day no retching although he has had antibiotics..his poo had no blood too..and was a wee bit thicker too..Maybe I should bite my tongue..
Tonight he is running mad around the place and trilling or chirping (you know what I mean) its so sweet, he seems so happy bless him.
Lets hope this continues.
Ill be intouch soon. Tasia xx
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Loads of good wishes to Nemo and you :hug: :hug:
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Thankyou Gill for your good wishes.....
I just want to update you guys a wee bit about Nemo...Today the vet rang me well not the actual vet but the nurse. She asked me how Nemo has been so I told her he has been really well lots of energy, eating and sleeping well, still lip licking now and then after waking up though.
She told me that the vet has emailed her as he needs a fresh poo from nemo. (they didnt send off the last two) but she also said if I felt Nemo needed this to be done still if he is feeling better....I replied that I still want Nemo to have the poo looked at as im still not happy with the lip licking, she said that is fine and she will send poo off tomorrow morning and that my vet has asked me not to give Nemo his 2nd injection on Thursday, to leave it another week as he is on antibiotics. Ive still got to go to the vet this thursday to get Nemo checked over and weighed...Anyway all day nemo has been absolutely fine and he did a poo, that was perfect lol it was like a normal poo nearly it was long and thin I was so happy I couldnt believe my eyes..
Then a couple of hours later, Nemo went to sleep. I walked into the room after a while to see him and he woke up staring at me then yowled not miaowed he stood up and yowled again, my husband was there thankgod as I hate seeing him like this it breaks my heart to pieces and then the lip licking started and then he was putting his head forward trying to be sick, this lasted around 5 to ten mins, he wasnt sick atall and we stroked him and he has gone back to sleep, but I could hear his tum gurgling away...I was just thinking at last we are getting somewhere with the poo looking nearly normal and all and now this has happened. I love him so much and am so frightened something awful is going on with his tum. As ive said ive got another vet appointment on Thursday and they are sending this new poo sample off in the morning. He has been such a well boy. Maybe im feeding him too much i feed him not even half of a 200gram sachet of id every two and half hrs..do you think its too much for him?
Thankyou all again for any replies...Tasia xx
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I think a quarter of a sachet every couple of hours will be fine and you have to remember up until now he has been losing everything that went in and thats peobably why his tummy is gurgling and he is hungry.
Ne happy that he has been fine for one movement bbut it takes time to correct so will be a few days before a constant patern.
Reading about his lip licking.....is he thirsty?
It sounds worrying, do you have a camera or phone that takes videos, if so would be a good idea if you could take a vidoe of this and take to the vet to show him. Also keep a written record of every time it happens, what sounds he makes and how long it goes on for. Also what he does exactly just like you have on here.
I hope that yout vet can help little Nemo :hug: :hug: :hug:
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isn't lip licking a sign of nausea? I'm sure mark or someone had a cat with it
glad the poo is being assessed, would be great if you could get this sorted out once and for all and start having some fun with little nemo :hug:
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Hi Girls Thankyou for replying.
Dawn you are right lip licking is a sign of feeling sick in a cat. The nurse told me yesterday that maybe he is waking up with acid in his throat that is coming from the tummy...Ive tried to explain to the vet everytime I go what he is doing but the vet cant understand it. Ive tried googling up his symptoms and some peoples cats have the lip licking, some peoples cats gagg, ive never come across anyone with these exact symptoms nemo has. If you saw him now he is a bundle of energy he runs plays makes lots of chirping sounds, eats well and is very vocal if you ignore him he miaows constantly as he always wants attention and lots of cuddles. He really is a loving little kitten full of mischief.
Gill I actually said yesterday we have to film what he does on my mobile and show it to the vet. trouble is he is always that bad with the yowling that has only happened twice before and he hasnt done yowling for ages its just the lip liicking and the retching he does so I was taken aback yesterday as it was quite awful to see even my husband was anxious looking at him like that, but he tells me not to worry as after all that Nemo is absolutely fine...Im wondering is it some kind of acid that he gets after eating and he wakes up feeling very sick with bile or something...Im seeing the vet on Thursday again so everytime my poor little boy wakes up ill have my mobile on ready to film him although in my heart I dont want to see him have to go through all that again.
On a good note his poo is getting better, did another nice one today not there yet but alot better and firm too..lol (sorry if too much info)..Gill Ill do as you say about the feeding too..many thanks for advice.
Thankyou girls again...ill be intouch soon xx
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My Sam has bouts of acid stomach, he wakes up in the middle of the night smacking his lips, I know I have to get him off the bed quick before he pukes. If there's nothing in his stomach he pukes frothy clear liquid, twice, then settles down again. His tum grumbles all night when he's suffering :(
The cause? He has a food intolerance, he cannot eat grain/cereal in his food, and his acid stomach is part of this. So if he pinches Tufty's Hills CD (which he needs for his UTI) Sam gets grumpy and vommy. We had a neighbour who despite being told not to was feeding my cats on Go-Cat >:( which made Sam sick almost every night. Only when she moved out did Sam get back to his normal happy non-sicky self.
I suggest Nemo might have a similar intolerance, so check the food you're serving up for him for grain or cereal (any wheat, oats, other cereal crops) and try something with a higher protein level.
Now this will be tricky with kitten food but I've found a brand works well for Sam, and you might be able to get Nemo to keep this down and reduce his acid stomach. James Wellbeloved Turkey and Rice dry food is available in kitten variety from Pets at Home and Zooplus, but I also spotted this wet food you might want to try first...
http://www.petsathome.com/shop/chicken-kitten-food-tin-70g-by-applaws-30261
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Hi Sheila,
Your kittie sounds so much like nemo, maybe that is exactly what he has too a food intolerance...Nemo is on prescription id from the vets at the moment and this is supposed to be extremely gentle on the tummy, if so, why is Nemo occasionally still lip licking and retching., vet told me not to feed him anything else for the time being, but ill have a word with him when I see him on Thursday and mention these foods to see what he says.
Thankyou so much for your help and advice xx
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I can see what your vet is thinking, Tasia, but I just checked the ingredients and wheat is high on the list of ingredients (as is liver which I'm a bit concerned about).
Also, ID is supposed to be for adult cats over 2kg, there are no feeding recommendations for kittens in the small print. As a result I'm a little concerned about your vet's recommendation for such a small kitten.
Also, the feeding recommendations say to gradually mix the new food in with the old food over seven days (to accustom his tummy to the new stuff). I can't help feeling Nemo has been switched about so much in his young life his tummy doesn't know what to accept.
I'd get some Applaws and try him on it anyway if his tummy continues to growl and he's still being sick. The vet may be prescribing ID as it's a Hills rep who supplies his practise (they get commission), you can usually tell which supplier has the monopoly on a vet by the huge display of foods and posters all over the walls.
As Nemo's so small the most important thing just now is to get him eating and gaining weight, and if he does have the same grain intolerance and Sheri's and my cat suffer from, giving him grain based foods are only making the problem worse.
It's up to you, if you trust this vet then stick with the ID alone for a whole week and let his tum get used to it. If not, (and I'm in this camp) switch to grain-free asap. :hug:
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Sheila do you know what, Im going to take your advice and change him to applaws. Nemo has been on this ID for weeks and weeks
I didnt think to read the ingredients of the ID. I actually do know grains are not good for cats. Ive read it often.
Thankyou so much Im going to buy some and see how he gets on with it, if he starts having blood in the poo again and his retching gets worse ill change him back...I totally agree with you about vets and Hills they do have walls plastered in it and they always want you to buy all hills food too..
Ive read there are some nasty things in hills cat foods, but you always think the vet knows best and they dont always do they.
Ive got to try this and see what happens.
Thankyou so much (again) for all your help and support for my little darling boy Nemo
Tasia xx
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i have a question about applaws.............something in the back of my mind thinks its not a complete cat food??
i maybe mixing it up with another.
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i have a question about applaws.............something in the back of my mind thinks its not a complete cat food??
i maybe mixing it up with another.
Good point, Gill and you're right, it does need to be fed with another food as it doesn't have the added vitamins etc.
I was concentrating on the fact is it furbiliscious and grain free, therefore would at least get him eating larger amounts.
Applaws DRY kitten food is a complete food, however so the two could be fed side by side and get that kitten eating properly.
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Hi Girls,
Update for you about Nemo.....Went to the vet this evening and Nemo has put on 200 grams of weight..vet very pleased and so am I..Vet said Nemo looks really well and he is pleased that he is eating well and has lots of energy too. The poo sample has not yet come back so they hope to ring me next week with news. Vet said he really cant understand why Nemo is retching still he said maybe its a hair ball but I told him Nemo doesnt really groom himself alot and when he does he sometimes gets it wrong..wipes his face with a paw than licks it..bless him..he doing alot better now though than when we first got him..So vet told me that maybe there is something else going on but he personally doesnt believe there is because of weight gain, energy levels etc., he was pushing all around Nemos tummy and he said everything feels absolutely normal and there is no discomfort there for Nemo..Vet said that if poo comes back normal and Nemo still not well they can offer me blood test but he feels it probably wont come to that. He did say if he does it again to try to film it for him to see.
I mentioned to him that maybe its food intolerance as the ID has alot of grains in it...Anyway he than started going on and on saying ID is the perfect food for cats with bad tummys..etc., etc.,..I than said I was thinking of changing the food and he told me he didnt think it was a good idea at the moment as Nemo is just beginning to show improvement with his poo and the retching is not happening so often...and he feels its very unlikely that Nemo has a food intolerance...oh well I dont know what to do now.
Anyway I came away from the vet feeling so happy for my little boy. I have another vet appt next Thursday booked..
We got home I went upstairs than all of a sudden my daughter called out to me..There was Nemo again lip licking and swallowing like he wanted to be sick. he jumped up on my bed and I spoke to him and stroked him and he fell asleep.
I went down stairs and he followed me down and miaowed loudly and started liplicking again..oh god my poor little one. After a few minutes he stopped and fell back to sleep..He woke up and has ate and he is fine now.
I was so upset to see him like that Ive got to try to video it for the vet to see the vet asked me if Nemo is sick and I told him no, he just trys to be sick but nothing comes up.
Nemo is fine now Girls...I was wondering whether it was because of the vet pushing his poor tummy that made him nauseas again, this has happened before after we took him to the vet and the vet had pressed hard on his tum.
I hope Nemo is going to be ok.but the weight gain does sound good doesnt it..I really dont know what to do about the food again, ive chickened out of changing his id as im scared im going to make him ill..
Just thought Id let you know the latest about little Nemo.. xx
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Everything sounds like its going well and I wouldnt change his food cos you have to allow time for everything to settle and he has put on loads of weight.
I would run with what your vet says and if you can video Nemo lip licking that would be good cos your vet may see it and say ................oh he is just doing thid because xxxxxx and he is fine.
You maybe right about the vet pushing and pulling his tummy.
Keep it up Nemo I think you are doing well :hug: :hug:
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Gill thankyou for your reply.
I was googling again all night, and sometimes I have noticed Asthma in cats comes up whe I put in cats gagging..Well anyway There was one sight I went on and all the symptoms of the retching came up for Asthma..
I than went on You tube and looked up kittens having an asthma attack and believe it or not there is a video of a ragdoll kitten doing exactly the same thing as Nemo even the head shaking bit before he starts gagging and they said this is an asthma attack.
Im not 100percent sure this is what Nemo has but looking at everything this kitten did its exactly what Nemo does..But if it is Asthma, why doesnt he gagg all the time with it, usually with Nemo its just the lip licking and gulping..Ive got intouch with a couple of people who have cats with asthma to ask them if there cats lip lick alot before an attack and shake there head just like they have something in the ear...What did come up was that this attack goes on for several mins, but then after the cat is fine..its very strange.
Maybe im clutching at straws, but im going to look into it a bit further, then maybe mention it to the vet. Ill film the ragdoll on you tube on my mobile to show the vet if Nemo doesnt do it again before my next appt..
Tasia xx
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I noticed Ducha lip licking last night and also shakes his head..........he is nearly 19yrs old though and I think maybe his food does slip down too well although its a pate and mixed with water.
I think your vet would have picked up very quickly if Nemo had asthma cos he would have breathing problems and maybe runny eyes and nose..........I maybe wrong.
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Hi Gill,
Yes looking into it a bit more I think you are right. Nemo doesnt have runny eyes or wheezing. Probably the retching is just simular thing to what they do when they have an asthma attack.
Oh well, back to the drawing board...Nemo is very well and so far I havent had a lip licking, retching incident (bite my tongue). Although poo still soft.
May I ask you something, Nemo and Tipsy play alot, but we notice little Nemo jumps very hard on tipsys head when they are playing and he seems to get really aggressive towards Tipsy when they are playing (although tipsy can get rough too). I was just wondering if this is normal play and not aggressive play.. (Sorry if that seems a silly question, as never had a kitten before so dont really know how kittens play with other cats).
Thanyou for any reply.
Tasia xx
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I'm pleased Nemo is at full throttle where play is concerned ;D
Yes, kittens know no fear and will push everyone to their absolute limits - this is why it is desirable to bring two kittens home from the rescue together so they can teach each other the meaning of "enough is enough".
Tipsy has been landed with the job of teaching Nemo where the line is drawn, and he'll need to be firm about it or Nemo will always take advantage.
It's important you play your part in educating Nemo too, so he doesn't learn that rough play with humans is acceptable. If your family play teeth and claw games with him, make sure its a toy he's clawing, biting and bunny kicking, not hands or feet. Hands and feet must be associated with gentle strokes, cuddles and tickles, not biting games, otherwise he may grow up to be a biting bully. No-one likes a biting bully. >:(
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Glad to hear things are improving
Kittens in general are thugs who have no manners, we had 7 last year 1 bengal and 6 tamed down feral kittens who are all still with us and they have learnt the boundaries now and play just fine its just they have no manners and my adults have put them in their place this year as babies they got away with murder and having a puppy the same age as them has been very entertaining and the kittens all adore the puppy while my other 2 Border collies all have their own cats both domestic, pedigree and feral
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Hi Sheila Thankyou for reply.
Yes its true what you say because sometimes Tipsy will have enough and Nemo will scream out, it is funny watching them playing together but Tipsy never has his claws out. Nemo always bites tipsy ears all the time..
I think we have been blessed with a little bundle of gentleness when it comes to his touch with us..Nemo never bites or scraches us and if he does nibble our fingers its very very gentle and I do blow gently on his face if he does this and say no..He seems to be a very gentle little kitten towards us humans that is why it is just so very strange seeing him play so aggresively towards Nemo.
Thankyou Sheila, atleast I know its all part of his playing and I guess Tipsy will give him the odd nip to tell him off and put him straight.
:thanks: xx
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Glad to hear things are improving
Kittens in general are thugs who have no manners, we had 7 last year 1 bengal and 6 tamed down feral kittens who are all still with us and they have learnt the boundaries now and play just fine its just they have no manners and my adults have put them in their place this year as babies they got away with murder and having a puppy the same age as them has been very entertaining and the kittens all adore the puppy while my other 2 Border collies all have their own cats both domestic, pedigree and feral
Wow you have your hands full there lol..Sometimes I do get a bit frightened when Tipsy does tell Nemo off as Tipsy kind of holds him down and then Nemo will scream , but I guess he needs to learn his boundarys.
Thanks for reply Liz xx
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My two are over a year now and are still pretty wild. I go from one day being worried Buffy is bullying Xander then the next thinking Xander is a bully to Buffy. They are so rough with each other, they rabbit kick each others heads. Buffy rugby tackles Xander as he's quite a bit bigger than her. I call it kitten wrestling. It looks really horrible sometimes but they never seem to have their claws out and keep going back for more.
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Lupin is always 'attacking' Misa and Misa is over 7 kgs and huge softy but even he has got angry with Lupin and wopped him and some times they are rolling round the floor seemingly very aggressive and shouting.
Lupin like to hold down a head and bite off whiskers! He also likes to fly at another cat and try and pin them down with his front legs aand then try and groom them.
Ducha my lil old man is too light and Lupin uses him as a toy but even Ducha gives a wop now.
Just when I think Lupin is acting well and walks past Misa, then Misa sticks out a paw.........sigh
Sasa however just looks at Lupin and he is scared to walk past her!
I agree so hard to know if its play fighting or for real. I have convinced myself that its play fighting but sometimes seperate Lupin and Misa, usually cos Misa is scared.
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Thankyou both for your replies, very interesting to read and I feel much better about the way Tips and Nemo fight...
Sometimes if Tipsy seems like he is getting too much for little Nemo as Tips very big heavy cat, I intervene and Tipsy will actually scratch or bite me,, but not hard I dont bleed or anything as I know if he really meant business he could really hurt me.. I wonder why he does this, maybe its his way of saying dont interfere between me and Nemo lol....Thankyou all for your storys about your darling kitties.
Tasia xx
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Thankyou both for your replies, very interesting to read and I feel much better about the way Tips and Nemo fight...
Sometimes if Tipsy seems like he is getting too much for little Nemo as Tips very big heavy cat, I intervene and Tipsy will actually scratch or bite me,, but not hard I dont bleed or anything as I know if he really meant business he could really hurt me.. I wonder why he does this, maybe its his way of saying dont interfere between me and Nemo lol....Thankyou all for your storys about your darling kitties.
Tasia xx
Tipsy needed Nemo to actually see that HE is in charge, not you. This is undesirable for you as Nemo now assumes that Tipsy is Top Cat, not you. Nemo has seen you being put in your place so assumes you are second in command.
In natural supremacy, you would have thwarted Tipsy's rebuff but as your a total softeeeee :Luv2: Tipsy is now regarded as The Boss.
You can leave it this way, and hope that when Nemo grows up to be a 7Kg bruiser he doesn't still assume you to be a pushover. It's these formative weeks that mould a cat for life so you need everyone in the household to know who is TopCat here, and that it's NOT Tipsy!
My advice would be to remove Nemo if things get violent, but don't pick up and remove Tipsy as he would see this as a direct threat. If it's just educational swatting, let it happen as this is how Tipsy teaches manners to Nemo, so your intervention is not required or wanted :shy:
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Hi Sheila,
That was very interesting read, Im going to have to stop removing Tipsy in future than and just pick up little Nemo..I really dont want Nemo thinking im a pushover lol..although I probably am all this top cat business is new to me..sometimes if Tipsy and Nemo are sitting by each other even if i put my hand on Nemo, Tipsy has bit me...as if he is telling me to leave Nemo alone..I think ive got alot to learn still. Tipsy from a very young age was left to fend for himself outside he was probably younger than Nemo is now when we used to see him out and about, a wee tiny thing, so he is a bit of a hard nut I would say, he still loves to go out on his mousing trips even now and doesnt like stray cats coming into our garden.
Thankyou so much for your advice Sheila, ill try to do things different from now on..
Tasia xx
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Hi Girls, Update about Nemo....
Took him yesterday to the vet and he has doubled his weight, vet very pleased and has now signed him off for the time being....Im so so happy and relieved.
Vet said poo came back normal no parasites or anything. They are still completely baffled about the liplicking and retching but have told me that they feel Nemo has a sensitive stomach and hopefully the antibiotics has solved the problem. He said it may return, and if so, they will look into giving him different antibiotics and different food but at the moment all seems good. Vet doesnt believe that Nemo has asthma either as said he is much to young and lungs are clear.
I cant begin to tell you how relieved I am, I was truly worried about him he was such a poorly baby, Im totally overjoyed my little one is well and I dont have to go back to the vet for a whole Two months....yipeee... (then he will be neutered and microchipped)
Have to keep him on hills id wet food but also have given him hills id dry (which i dont really like but oh well for a wee change for him)..as I have to space his food out more and give him bigger amounts now he is growing well.
I just want to say thankyou all so much for your support and help and advise to me these last few weeks. You really have been a rock to me, and I cant thankyou all enough.
Ill still be coming on here from time to time to let you know how little Nemo is getting on.
:thanks: again love Tasia and Nemo xx
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Tasia, I'm delighted for you and Nemo. It would be great to see another photo of him now he's filling out? :Luv2:
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That's such good news Tasia :wow: ;D :hug:
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Aww Thankyou Girls....Ill deffinately put another pic up for you all to see..xx
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I am so pleased that we could help and its what Purrs is all about ;D
Love to see another picture of Nemo and just over the moon that he is doing so well ;D ;D ;D
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Fantasitc news ;D so pleased for you and little Nemo :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
Cant wait to see more photos of both your gorgeous fur babies xxx
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Thankyou Gill and Sheryl,
Ill deffinately put some pics up over the weekend for you to see.
and GIll you really have been a great source of help and comfort to me. Thankyou again. xxx
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Thank you very much Tasia :hug:
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Hi girls,
Hope alls well...Have some news again about Nemo. Unfortunately had to take him to emergency vet today as he was not peeing. They have told me he has cystitus...Vet said its probably due to Nemo having a very low immune...also he said many young cats get this.
He gave him an injection of antibiotics and another injection of inflamatorys.
I got home and Nemo was sick..very watery probably like bile...than later on he started the old lip licking again and retching..(it was a nightmare for me to see him again like that). He wasnt sick though he fell to sleep...Now he has just woke up and was sick again it was like water. Do you guys think its because of the medicine he was given, seems to happen after he eats a wee bit of his id.
Im so sorry for not putting up pics yet I cant do it as my daughter does it for me..She will put some up for you to see tonight.
The good news about Nemo is that the emergency vet said he is still putting weight on...god love him. not one thing its another..
Thankyou girls for any replies about cystitus..never thought male cats got this..I know us women do...xx
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Well done for recognising a serious problem and etting him treatment immediately. Did the emergency vet tell you to take him to your usual vet afterwards? You need to know what is causing his cystitis, as various causes have different treatment.
My Tufty had crystals blocking his urethra, he needed special food with a chemical incorporated in it to dissolve the crystals and cure the condition. Other cats may have stones blocking the urethra and different means are needed, possibly surgery. Sometimes its just a stress related problem, but whatever it is you need to be told.
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Well done for recognising a serious problem and etting him treatment immediately. Did the emergency vet tell you to take him to your usual vet afterwards? You need to know what is causing his cystitis, as various causes have different treatment.
My Tufty had crystals blocking his urethra, he needed special food with a chemical incorporated in it to dissolve the crystals and cure the condition. Other cats may have stones blocking the urethra and different means are needed, possibly surgery. Sometimes its just a stress related problem, but whatever it is you need to be told.
Hi Sheila and thanks for replying. Do you know what its very weird as I was looking up on google only last night about cats with urine problems as I was worrying about Tipsy!! It must have been fate as I probably would have never taken much notice of Nemo going to and throw to his litter box.
The vet told me that I have to leave it for the weekend and keep an eye on Nemo and I have an appointment again on Monday at my usual vet. I bet he wont believe his eyes when he sees me again...The emergency vet said that Nemo probably has a very low immune he said that the (I cant remember the name) inside his tummy isnt swollen or blocked and said he is too young for certain infections as has not been neutered..Tonight Nemo seems to be ok but has just been sick again..very watery. do you think this is due to all the medicine..Thankyou for reply again xx
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So sorry that Nemo has anotyher problem :hug: :hug:
If he is using the tray and eating then he should be OK till monday but if not I would contact the emergency vet again tomorrow.
This is such a pain as I am sure you thought his problems were on the way out :hug: :hug:
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Hi Girls, Just to give you a bit of an update today...Nemo seems to be doing the wee wee ok but not so many he seems to be well and is eating ok although he has retched a few times today after eating so now Ive cut his food down to small portions again.
Im hoping its just the antibiotics that is making him retch when he does bring something up its all watery and not very much but just seeing him doing this all again is awful.
Im sure he will be ok until Monday but im on wee watch now and not poo watch lol..ive been so busy today as have lots of things on at the moment so I had to leave him with my hubby who loves him dearly but doesnt watch him like I do. The same again tomorrow but im hoping Nemo will be much better after a good night sleep.
Anyway girls. Ill keep you all updated..Tasia xx
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He may have acid stomach again, Tasia. I hope it calms down soon.
Did you try him on grain free food yet? It may be worth a try, sorry to keep banging on about it, but if he does have food intolerance he won't get better until you work out what's upsetting him, and the only sure way to know is to try it for a couple of weeks. :hug:
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He may have acid stomach again, Tasia. I hope it calms down soon.
Did you try him on grain free food yet? It may be worth a try, sorry to keep banging on about it, but if he does have food intolerance he won't get better until you work out what's upsetting him, and the only sure way to know is to try it for a couple of weeks. :hug:
Hi Sheila, No I didnt change his food from id yet as Nemo was getting on so brilliantly with everything until this cystitus came along on Friday.
I know what you mean about changing the food but I think it may have been the antibiotics that have caused his stomach upset, unless its just a coincidence that he suddenly started retching after having these injections and it is food intolerance he has.
Ill see how he goes over the next couple of days and what the vet says tomorrow. Today Nemo is going to the wee wee better and has only retched once this morning but nothing came up. If the retching etc., continues I will deffinately change the food.
Thankyou again Sheila, ill keep you all updated. xx
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Sending lots of good vibes for Nemo, sounds good that he is better today :hug: :hug:
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Sending lots of positive vibes and a chin tickle for young Nemo this morning. :hug:
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I have received this lovely pm today from Tasia and she has given me permission to post it.
Its great to hear that young Nemo is fit and doing so well ;D
Nemo
« Sent to: Gill (sneakiefeline) on: Yesterday at 15:25:30 »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. » ReplyQuoteDeleteHi Gill,
I hope you can still remember me, I had a kitten named Nemo who was very ill last year and you and some of the other guys on here gave me so much support and help whilst Nemo was unwell.
I havent been on here for ages. So busy these last few months, but for a while now Ive been meaning to come back and let you know how things are going with little tiny Nemo.
Well he isnt so little or tiny anymore..He is growing very well and thankfully since being on here last, Ive had no problems atall with him. We never found out what the problem was with Nemo but whatever it was he was a little survivor and managed to beat it.
He has turned into the most loving boy ever although saying that he was always loving even when he was ill.
He is a very gentle boy and he follows me around everywhere. Ive had him neutered and chipped but havent let him go outside yet, shall wait until the weather is much better than slowly start him off with the garden. Ofcourse I will be supervising him the first few days, he is much to precious for us to loose.
He eats very well and ive recently started him off eating raw which he and Tipsy both love. He is still very slim I dont know if maybe that has something to do with the illness at the beginning of his life. Maybe he is just a cat that wont ever put weight on but he has a big appetite that is for sure.
Him and Tipsy get on absolutely great. He isnt far behind now in size with Tipsy so he can deffinately hold his own when they start playing a wee bit rough.
Ive never forgotten you all on this forum and all the love and support you all gave me during that awful time that Nemo was unwell..I thankyou all from the bottom of my heart and wish you and all your kitties well.
With love from Me and Nemo xxx
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What wonderful news :) :) :)
Thanks for posting Gill.