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Title: Wish us lots of luck tomorrow now updated with IMPORTANT BREAKTHROUGH?
Post by: Maddiesmum on January 19, 2009, 18:16:52 PM: Tomorrow is B day. The day the behaviourist will visit Charlie. She is due at 4.30 for a three hour visit so please, please, wish us luck and hope that she can find a way to help him.
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Post by: bonnielass on January 19, 2009, 18:19:33 PM: I wish you all the luck in the world for tomorrow and will be sending positive vibes that she will be able to help Charlie and help him and you regain some control :thanks: :thanks:
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Post by: Janeyk on January 19, 2009, 18:23:00 PM: Loads of luck from me too, I've every confidence you'll be able to help Charlie xx
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Post by: Indys Mamma on January 19, 2009, 18:29:34 PM: loads of luck from me and the boys

and fingers crossed it turns out to be something silly like Charlie doesn't like the smell of the wash powder or something :shify:
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Post by: Wibblechick on January 19, 2009, 18:46:41 PM: Wishing you all the very best :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 19, 2009, 18:49:45 PM: Hope it goes well, want full details of course! ;)
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Post by: clarenmax on January 19, 2009, 19:26:44 PM: Fingers crossed for tomorrow :)
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Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on January 19, 2009, 20:50:10 PM: Wishing you and Charlie well for tomorrow :hug:
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Post by: hOrZa on January 19, 2009, 20:55:23 PM: :)
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Post by: MrsR on January 19, 2009, 21:02:15 PM: Tons of luck x
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Post by: Kirst on January 19, 2009, 21:04:24 PM: Tons of good vibes , prayers and all the luck in the world for tomorrow. :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on January 19, 2009, 22:38:48 PM: Hope it goes well for you and Charlie, Phoebe and Boy sending lots of good vibes for Charlie. :hug:
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on January 19, 2009, 23:04:56 PM: I wish you soooo much luck with getting help for your special boy. Love, purrs and headbutts from me and the boys xxx :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 19, 2009, 23:27:33 PM: I hope all goes well and thats its something really easy to solve, cos Charlie is just so :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: 2d on January 19, 2009, 23:30:23 PM: Good luck
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on January 20, 2009, 00:54:46 AM: Good luck and fingers crossed the behaviourist can come up with some suggestions to help Charlie.
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Post by: bonnielass on January 20, 2009, 06:31:29 AM: I hope it all goes well for you and Cahrlie today and will be thinking of you both :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on January 20, 2009, 08:39:35 AM: good luck, I'm sure she will be able to help you both and hopefully put your mind at rest
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Post by: Leanne on January 20, 2009, 09:27:39 AM: Good luck, I really hope you can sort something out :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on January 20, 2009, 10:09:57 AM: Good luck for this afternoon - I really hope it all goes well xxx

Charlie - Be a Good Boy xxx
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Post by: maryas on January 20, 2009, 10:14:12 AM: :luck: :luck: :luck: :blow kiss: Hope all goes well. Not sure if I've been asleep for a while or what but don't remember reading anything about Charlies beahviour. Hope it's not serious.

Mary x :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on January 20, 2009, 10:15:23 AM: All the best today :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on January 20, 2009, 10:22:36 AM: Quote from: maryas on January 20, 2009, 10:14:12 AM
:luck: :luck: :luck: :blow kiss: Hope all goes well. Not sure if I've been asleep for a while or what but don't remember reading anything about Charlies beahviour. Hope it's not serious.

Mary x :hug:

http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php/topic,21294.0.html

I'm keeping everything crossed for you both today, but please don't be disillusioned if the behaviourist can't offer a quick fix. It may be a slow process of trying various things with Charlie but I'm sure she will have some ideas.
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Post by: Catbird on January 20, 2009, 10:35:59 AM: Dot and I will have everything crossed for you. I know from previous experience how devastating behaviour problems can be. it really does take over you whole life, so I hope the behaviourist can help.

C & D
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Post by: maryas on January 20, 2009, 16:39:53 PM: Thanks for the link and I think it's hugs all round. :grouphug:

I really do hope you have some good news for you both.

Mary and Bonnie x :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 20, 2009, 20:17:33 PM: Hope everything went okay for your meeting with the behaviourist and that she has given you some positive news on Charlie :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on January 20, 2009, 20:21:18 PM: Yes, I hope you got off to a good start?
Title: Re: Wish us lots of luck tomorrow and please send positive vibes UPDATE
Post by: Maddiesmum on January 20, 2009, 20:57:26 PM: He has hyperesthesia. I am a bit cross because I have been telling my vet this for weeks! Anyway this will be a long post so here goes :

Sarah is lovely she is very knowledgeable and very thorough. She went through Charlie's known history from day one very carefully asking lots of questions. She said his stress is at a very high level and the main factor is the high concentratin of cats in a small arear (15 cats between 9 houses). She interacted with him and said he is a social and beautiful cat but she could see his stress levels were high and were mainly concentrated on checking out his territory. She said the catproofing is a positive thing in his environment as it stops other cats encroaching on his territory. She said she doesn't think the field is a major issue and she can well understand why I have catproofed as, as she was driving to my house, cars were flying past her. She has given me a treatment programme to try for 3 weeks to see how he responds. If no better he will have to go on the cat version of Prozac for about three months and then be weaned off it.

She is confident he can be helped. She said I am doing all the right things but have to do some of them a bit differently. ie his play has to be gentler of less duration and more frequent. He has to have quiet and calm, no sudden movements, loud voices etc. I am not to approach him but to let him instigate all tactile contact and she showed me how to stroke him so it is a nice experience for him. Under no circumstances am I to touch his tummy, no matter if he offers it to me. His food has to be broken down into 6 meals a day and must not be ritualised. I have to try to slip it there with no production and make more use of his automatic feeder. I have to put some frosted stick on stuff on my dining room window to stop him seeing next door's cat Sophie and I have to try to put some plants to block his view of her when he is in the garden.

I asked her about another cat and she said 200% NOT. I also asked her about the FIP and she said whilst she could not guarantee it wont mutate it is very unlikely to.

She has given me four pages of handwritten notes which her secretary will type up and email to me. I have 12 months unlimited telephone/email assistance and she has completed the insurance forms and is claiming it as vet fees so the insurance company should pay it all (bar the excess of course). If I am struggling with any of her recommendations, or Charlie does not seem to respond, I am to contact her immediately and she will revise the method. I liked her a lot.

I don't think I mentioned before but I found a lump near Charlie's bottom the day before yesterday. He has not liked it being touched. She had a look and said it is an anal gland abscess and needs a/bs. She will ring my vet tomorrow and ask her to prescribe some to avoid the need for Charlie to be stressed by a vet visit. She will also update my vet with the diagnosis, treatment plan and any further issues.

I feel so relieved but frustrated that I have suspected this for ages.

Anyway there you go, thanks to all of you for your support, it is, as ever, much valued and appreciated and, of course, I will keep you updated.
xxx
Title: Re: Wish us lots of luck tomorrow and please send positive vibes UPDATE
Post by: bonnielass on January 20, 2009, 21:03:00 PM: Im so glad your feeling a lot more positive now you know what the problem is, hopefully with this new regime things will start to improve over a period of time and a happy outcome will become a reality, sending calming vibes for both of you and lots of hugs :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on January 20, 2009, 21:10:27 PM: Im glad it went well - at least now you know what the problem is and can make a positive start on helping Charlie. :hug:
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Post by: maryas on January 20, 2009, 21:26:36 PM: So pleased for you both. She sounds marvellous. How hard is it going to be to do all those things? :shocked: :Luv2:

Good luck to you both.

Mary and Bonnie :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on January 20, 2009, 22:16:58 PM: Well that all sounds very promising ;D I can understand you feeling mad that she says he has hyperesthesia after your vet wasn't buying it :innocent: She seems to have got her head around the situation very quickly and come up with some good ideas for helping Charlie. And good to know the catproofing is a good idea, and the field not as big a problem as you thought. Glad you feel more positive about things now. Although Charlie still has his problems, at least you now have some possible solutions and if they don't work you have someone who is willing to work with you to find something that does work. And it all shows what a good meowmy you are and that none of this is your fault :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 21, 2009, 00:40:41 AM: I think this all sounds very positive and am sure that you will work through it all and you and Charlie will be just fine :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Wibblechick on January 21, 2009, 08:00:35 AM: :wow: A positive result! That really sounds like she is going to help. I was going to say help you get to the bottom of it - but if Charlie has an abscess on his b*m it wouldn't be the best choice of words!!
Im so pleased that everything seems to be sorting itself out. I realise there is still a way to go but at leat you have a diagnosis and it confirms what you had worked out for yourself. Its always nice to know you aer right, isnt it? :)

Good luck, will be keeping fingers crossed and am sending some of these in the meantime :hug: :hug: :hug: - you must be :tired: exhausted :)
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Post by: Dawn F on January 21, 2009, 08:17:59 AM: what a great result, must be such a relief that she agrees with everything you have been saying, I'm sure her plan will help both of you, can't imagine doing food without fuss in my house though!!!
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Post by: Leanne on January 21, 2009, 09:08:14 AM: That all sounds really positive, which is great news.

How do you feel about everything? :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 21, 2009, 16:42:03 PM: Well Leanne I am in no doubt it will be hard work. There is a new cat appeared in the neighbourhood which is causing territorial wars again!!! Looks like it might be a stray as Nigel my neighbour fed it earlier and it ate three bowls straight off and looks a bit dirty too.

I am going to do my level best to stick to what Sarah advised but I think the food one will be the hardest as Charlie has his food routine etc. He has an automatic one meal feeder and I have ordered a two meal one today so I will try and put three meals in those which will detach me from the meal process a bit. Then he can have his biscuits in his egg box and I will just have to try and hide stuff round the house (though I did try this morning and the little so and so found them all in 30 seconds and wolfed them).

I have bought the stick on frosting for the window just need to get it up. Had a chat with my neighbour about deterring her cat Sophie and we have agreed we might try the rubber spikes so she can't sit down but it wont hurt her. Also will have to get some sort of climber to cover the corner although Roz did advise against having climbers up the cat proofing.

He now has his a/bs and metacam and took them well at lunch time. I hope you all don't mind if I keep you posted? Also had a little gentle game with a feather this morning but then had to go to the Dogs Home and so a load of admin on my return so haven't really had another playtime yet. He did escape out the front door when I came home though. He didn't run off just wandered into the front garden and let me bring him back in.

I am relieved that we have a diagnosis, sad it is all caused by stress and a bit tired from all the worrying but ever onwards! Thanks again to you all for your support and hope you don't mind if I "lean" on you for the next few weeks. Sarah said it is not a quick fix and could take up to about 6 months - especially if he has to have the meds.
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Post by: sheryl on January 21, 2009, 16:45:32 PM: It will be a long road but well worth it in the end and I am so glad for you and Charlie that the outlook is so good :Luv2:
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Post by: Dawn F on January 21, 2009, 16:47:29 PM: tbh you sound calmer already and that has got to make you feel better, its just good to know you have a proper path to follow - re the climbers - I have roses but they do pull on the cat proofing and have to be trimmed so wouldn't advise them I do have a black sambuca, not a climber but grows through and is so spindly they could never climb up it
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Post by: Wibblechick on January 21, 2009, 17:05:37 PM: Quote from: Maddiesmum on January 21, 2009, 16:42:03 PM

I hope you all don't mind if I keep you posted?

Thanks again to you all for your support and hope you don't mind if I "lean" on you for the next few weeks. Sarah said it is not a quick fix and could take up to about 6 months - especially if he has to have the meds.

Dont you dare NOT keep us posted :rofl:

Seriously, We are all very fond of Charlie and are all hoping that everything works out for you and him - and you know that we are here for you. After all, you'd listen to us if it was one of our cats, wouldnt you? :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 21, 2009, 17:17:02 PM: All sounding good so far :hug:

With regards to climbers on the cat proofing - I've got climbers (clematis) completely covering one part of my cat proofed area and it doesnt really make much difference, the mesh is still wobbly enough for cats not to be able to gain foothold, especially with it being at an angle (if they were ever to try - which I've not seen them do!)
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Post by: bonnielass on January 21, 2009, 17:40:07 PM: Im so glad your feeling a bit calmer now ,yes it may take time and there will be days where everything you do is wrong ,but take one day at a time and im sure that it will all come together in the end with a much calmer Charlie, and we are always here for you to lean on :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sylvie on January 21, 2009, 18:06:25 PM: I'm glad about the result.... And I'm sure you and Charlie will go the right way.. OK it is a long way but a way will pay off... and I'm sure you and Charlie can be together... :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 22, 2009, 08:48:21 AM: The treatment programme has commenced! The window is now frosted and has made a great deal of difference already. He had a cursory look and has since not once been trying to see if there is anyone waiting outside. The only problem I have with it is I can't look out the window to check on him etc. I have to stand on a chair LOL

feeding regime is a difficult one. Charlie is very food conscious and knows exactly when his feeds are due. As my house is open plan there is no chance of doing meals in secret as his nose is in the bowl as soon as I am there. I am making use of his automatic feeder which deals with one meal a day and have ordered a two meal one so that, ultimately, takes care of three meals altogether. However I do have to administer his Zylkene and at the mo a/bs and metacam so that compounds the difficult. I have made a start on his puzzle feeder (which is a Yakult bottle) supposed to put holes in it but haven't yet. He has got the hang of it though and is gleefully batting it round trying to extract his bikkies. Also he uses his egg box. My worry is the increase in biscuits this requires coupled with less strenuous exercise is going to result in a fat cat, albeit more calm.

Have to say he is calmer this morning, has had two gentle plays has been in the garden, got soaked and is now snoozing happily on the dining table despite my lodger crashing about upstairs :)

That's our update for today. :)
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Post by: Leanne on January 22, 2009, 09:01:16 AM: Course you have to update us and lean on us thats what we're all here for :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

I know where you are coming from with the food thing, its really hard when they have an inbuilt alarm clock. Could you prepare meals in a room with Charlie shut out?

Also what about giving Charlie his tablets yourself and not in food or is that a stupid suggestion, how is he taking tablets?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 22, 2009, 09:09:50 AM: thanks Leanne. My house is open plan so it is difficult to do the food in secret but I am working on it, have managed to secrete his lunch in his automatic feeder without him realising YET.

He has to have his abs and metacam on his food as I don;t want to stress him by pilling and syringing him but will work on that too. I feel more positive about it all myself having seen an improvement re the window situation already,

It;s turning into the diary of Charlie the cat aged 1 and eleven twelfths :rofl:
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Post by: Gwen on January 22, 2009, 09:15:23 AM: I'm so glad the behaviourist could give you some pointers to help Charlie,lets hope its onwards and upwards from now on :)
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Post by: Janeyk on January 22, 2009, 09:49:05 AM: Loads of luck with Charlie's programme xx
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Post by: Leanne on January 22, 2009, 10:54:41 AM: Quote from: Maddiesmum on January 22, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
thanks Leanne. My house is open plan so it is difficult to do the food in secret but I am working on it, have managed to secrete his lunch in his automatic feeder without him realising YET.

He has to have his abs and metacam on his food as I don;t want to stress him by pilling and syringing him but will work on that too. I feel more positive about it all myself having seen an improvement re the window situation already,

It;s turning into the diary of Charlie the cat aged 1 and eleven twelfths :rofl:

Well thats good start that his lunch is in there and he doens't know it yet.

Stressing with tablets is a nightmare I know, have to say Jess has got good with his now but its taken almost a year (Yikes)

:rofl: @ the diary
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Post by: madkittyrescue on January 22, 2009, 11:44:46 AM: sounds as though things are goign well so far. fingers crossed this continues and Charlie reaps the benefits soon! :hug:
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Post by: Liz on January 22, 2009, 14:49:56 PM: Its sounds a really great start and I now picture you outside with the door shut putting his food out!

So now he will get his own diary really should be Charlies Blog and what the parents are up to now!
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 22, 2009, 15:13:06 PM: This sounds very positive and by batting around the bicuit bottle and stuff that will give him exercise too.

The behaviou ist sounds really good and am sure all of us wll be interested in the diary of how Charlie progresses cos he is such an adorable boy ;D
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Post by: bonnielass on January 22, 2009, 16:06:16 PM: What a positive start with the window and you certainly sound more optimistic today ;D so its one day at atime, yes there may be bad days but i think now you have something positive to go on and you remain in this frame of mind you will get there in the end :hug:we will look forward to the diary of progress that is being made. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on January 22, 2009, 16:38:59 PM: It sounds like good progress so far , and feel free to lean on us all you like - God knows I am built to take it! :evillaugh: :hug:
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Post by: lucky and jj mum on January 22, 2009, 20:24:05 PM: Hi Chrissie, just caught up with all your news on Charlie. I'm sorry he has got what you feared all along but on the other hand I'm pleased it is nothing to do with not being able to get out of your garden. At least you haven't the heartache of having to let him go.
It is good she has given you hope and encouragement and knowing you, you will do all she has adviced 101%
As for the food and Charlie putting on weight could you not change his food slowly over to low calorie type?
Will be interested to hear how things progress for you and Charlie, good luck but I'm sure you won't need it your love for your boy will see you through.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 23, 2009, 08:03:37 AM: Day 2 - Most of yesterday was good but in the evening Charlie started to become more nervous again and this got progressively worse as the night continued. He was wary of my lodger and jumping at every sound again. He also had a couple of skitzy incidents one when I accidently brushed my hand along his side when we were playing. He jumped right up in the air and flew to the other side of the room, hair on end. One of the symptoms of hyperesthesia is over sensitivity to touch but it is upsetting nevertheless. I did manage a little pet when he came on the computer desk and rubbed his hand against me. No playing overnight and still nervy this morning. Managed to sneak a couple of meals into his automatic feeder yesterday - found the best time to do it is when he is busy munching on another bowl of food. Will carry on as directed but have to be in and out a couple of times today. Received typed up notes from Sarah with a couple of small additions. She has said not to expect an overnight change and that I have to be completely consistent. :)
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Post by: Janeyk on January 23, 2009, 08:12:51 AM: Yes, it could be a long haul, it may be two steps forward, one back but just persevere and I'm sure it will be worth it. I would think it a good idea to keep a diary of his progress.
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Post by: bonnielass on January 23, 2009, 08:13:20 AM: Sorry to hear you had this little setback but its early days yet so dont be to disheartened :( im sure that over time he will get into a routine and begin to respond more positivly and you have to try not to get upset ,as i said to Kate with Swampy im sure they pick up on our feelings and if your stressed (which im sure you must be ) he will lock onto this.As your keeping a diary of progress you will be able to look back at it and see a pattern emerge,and will be able to work with this pattern so you both begin to settle and have more positive times. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 24, 2009, 12:48:26 PM: Day 3 - Charlie continued to be very nervy and jumpy. However overnight he played by himself and brought a furry toy upstairs. This morning he woke me at 7am for a boxing match, having eaten the food I secreted for a 4am little feed in his automatic feeder. He is kicking his Yakult bottles round. Problem with Charlie is no sooner have you hidden the food in new places than he has found it, pounced on it, knocked it about or rattled it out. His latest trick is to bash his automatic feeder round the kitchen. I can't wait until the double one is delivered. I have found a good way of doing his food in secret is to wait until he is eating and then zoom round hiding stuff.

We have had a couple of gentle plays but it isn't satisfying him enough so he has been zooming round a little. Hyperesthesia is horrible - he isn't constantly skitzed or rippling, it just comes over him.

Anyway I am still doing all the things I am supposed to be doing but it is hard not being able to pet him so much. He has been in and out the garden today. WIndow frosting was an excellent idea, he certainly is not constantly going back and forth looking for enemy cats.

It's still early days and some of the progress has been good. Charlie has to have a calm life and it is difficult to achieve with all the everyday noises of living etc. Plus I am a sod for dropping things. I have got him a cat calming CD called Pet Calm. Don't think it is working though.

Will probably not update everyday as it is too much for you all but just every few days and if anything significant happens. I am keeping a second diary now. The first one was for the Behaviourist and this one is his treatment programme diary. One thing I have noticed is he is quite often worse in the mornings and evenings.

Thanks for ready :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 26, 2009, 07:14:43 AM: Day 5 (early morning). I cannot believe the difference in Charlie so quicky, although I am aware there will probably be set backs and bad days. He is so much calmer and happier. He is not taking any interest in the dining room window (he used to be up and down from there anxiously looking for enemies most of his waking hours). He has shifted his attention to the front lounge window but it is very rare we see a cat there, so he is enjoying watching the birds and passers by without the angst. He is loving his foraging for biscuits but is too clever for me and quite often finds them as soon as I have secreted them. He is showing absolutely no interest in the field. He came and slept on the bed at 2.30 am until we got up this morning which he has NEVER done before. He would climb on the bed about 5.30 but has never really settled there for long. Plus he is tolerating petting and purring his head off. He has had a couple of small skitzy whizzing round episodes but of such a short duration. I am so worried about his weight though. I do not want to cut back on his wet food as he gets lots of fluids with it but his regime means he is getting more biscuits (he used to have maybe 10 a day) plus less strenuous excercise so any tips on how to contain his weight would be appreciated.. Now he has biscuits in dishes, egg boxes and Yakult bottles a couple of times a day. He is a quick learner and bashes the Yakult bottle round the room. Good progess so far, fingers crossed it continues. He is at the vet on Wed to check on his anal gland abscess which seems to have gone and I will have to discuss the weight issues with her then. Thanks for your ear x
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Post by: bonnielass on January 26, 2009, 08:28:20 AM: I cant tell you how please i am for you that some progress is showing, ;D im sure you are begining to feel a bit calmer by this and enjoy spending time with him now without fretting to much, hopefully things will continue to progress nicely and please continue to update his progress :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Wibblechick on January 26, 2009, 11:11:46 AM: Ive just read the update - that all sounds very positive. ;D Keeping my fingers crossed all continues calm and happy :hug: :)
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Post by: Janeyk on January 26, 2009, 11:34:21 AM: ;D That's great news! regarding the weight I'm sure your vet will be able to help or the behaviourist should have ways round this as I'msure she will have encountered this problem with treatment before.
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Post by: maryas on January 26, 2009, 11:40:55 AM: Day 5 is sounding fantastic. :hug:

Mary and Bonnie
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 26, 2009, 11:53:19 AM: Spoke too soon! He is off again, skitzing round the place like a wild man, digging for England in his litter tray (he only does this when he is on one) and generally being hyperesthesic. Am trying to ignore as much as possible but it's hard!
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Post by: Leanne on January 26, 2009, 15:19:41 PM: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on January 26, 2009, 15:40:14 PM: I think you should both sit down and have a cup of chamomile tea. :rofl: :Luv2:

Mary and Bonnie
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 26, 2009, 15:47:35 PM: :rofl:
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Post by: lucky and jj mum on January 26, 2009, 20:44:13 PM: Well that sounds very promising even if you did get a bit of a hic cup from Charlie but you said yourself these were expected.
About the weight why not buy the low diet dried food from the vets? I know it is more expensive but it should help a bit with the weight issue.
Your doing a grand job Chrissie, even in this short space of time you can already see results.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 29, 2009, 16:03:38 PM: Day 9 - after some ups and downs, good times and bad, today has been wonderful so far. Charlie had a couple of skitzy episodes this morning but both were of very short duration (whereas previously they used to last quite a while until he exhausted himself). He has played nicely with me and by himself. I have cut back his biscuit rations and he has taken it like a man! Just a while earlier he wanted food. Usually he would rampage round the kitchen knocking everything off the worktops and generally cause mayhem, today he just bashed his automatic feeder a couple of times and then went and settled on the back of the armchair near the window and dozed patiently until it opened. Today has been like having the old Charlie back. Fingers crossed he carries on responding well, although I would be foolish to think there wont be ups and downs. Touch wood no repeat of the weeing incident. :)
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Post by: Wibblechick on January 29, 2009, 16:06:41 PM: Brilliant! Lets hope this is the first day of many :)
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Post by: maryas on January 29, 2009, 16:33:07 PM: Well done on day 9 Charlie. Fingers crossed.

Mary and Bonnie
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Post by: Janeyk on January 29, 2009, 16:41:37 PM: ;D Charlie sounds to be doing really well, even little improvements are a nudge in the right direction, well done that boy (and about the food too) :)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 29, 2009, 17:38:36 PM: Charlie is doing so well and you :hug:

Love it, he bashed the feeder, :rofl: :rofl:

I only leave mine out when I go away and wonder if Misa goes round bashing them :shify: :shify:
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Post by: lucky and jj mum on January 29, 2009, 20:15:22 PM: That's great Chrissie, well done to the pair of you.
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Post by: bonnielass on January 29, 2009, 21:51:19 PM: Im so glad your begining to see some improvements in Charlie ;D heres hoping it long continues :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on January 29, 2009, 21:59:42 PM: I'm so glad you're seeing improvements ;D
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Post by: Leanne on January 30, 2009, 08:38:03 AM: That all sounds really positive, hope it continues for you both :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on January 30, 2009, 18:54:52 PM: Logging in for the latest report and hoping it's going well...
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 02, 2009, 14:39:36 PM: Day 13. There is no doubt that Charlie has been calmer, in fact I got a bit worried because he was so quiet! A nice balance would be good. He still has some skitzy periods but they are of very short duration and nowhere like as often. He has adapted to the automatic feeding regime though I have, today, increased the time between them from four to 6 hours. He has had good fun in the snow today and is now snoozing quietly on the dining table. He has been quite affectionate too although will only tolerate so much before he does a gentle bite. His headshaking increased over the weekend but seems to have slowed down a little now. He is using his Yakult bottle, treat ball and egg box but only having 3 biscuits in each twice a day. Not had a poo for a couple of days but did do two massive ones after the Dentabits incident. On the whole I think I can say there is improvement. There is, however, no improvement whatsoever in the reaction to everyday noise. Still another 10 or so to go before it is reviewed by Sarah. Thanks for reading :)
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Post by: bonnielass on February 02, 2009, 15:44:37 PM: Im so happy for you that this is working and Charlie is much calmer :)im sure you must feel better in yourself now and with you being calmer then hopefully so will he and things can only get better ;D still sending some calming and positive vibes for you both :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2009, 16:44:55 PM: This sounds good ;D

what do you call everyday noise?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 02, 2009, 17:04:32 PM: Me shifting in a chair, the central heating going on and off, anything really. Noises he never used to react to
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2009, 17:08:04 PM: Poor boy must just be able top hear them now and maybe never has before.

I know that Misa jumps at many things too and gets really worried at little noises, which in his case is his bad pasy I think.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 02, 2009, 17:14:32 PM: It is supposedly all part of the hyperesthesia when they become more reactive to sounds and sensations. He has certainly only been like this since his ear wash though but the vet wont have it!
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Post by: lucky and jj mum on February 02, 2009, 22:00:51 PM: Quote from: Maddiesmum on February 02, 2009, 17:14:32 PM
It is supposedly all part of the hyperesthesia when they become more reactive to sounds and sensations. He has certainly only been like this since his ear wash though but the vet wont have it!
That does sound like the cleaning out of his ears has made him more sensitive to noise.
Glad things are still going well Chrissie, we are a right pair even when things going well we have to worry :Crazy:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 02, 2009, 23:13:09 PM: It sounds like things are going really well. Did she say anything about the hyperesthesia getting better over time or will he always be ultra sensitive to noise etc?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 03, 2009, 15:24:50 PM: Quote from: Maddiesmum on February 02, 2009, 17:14:32 PM
It is supposedly all part of the hyperesthesia when they become more reactive to sounds and sensations. He has certainly only been like this since his ear wash though but the vet wont have it!

there are some things the vet knows far more about than you and some that you DEFINITELY know more about than the vet! Try not to get infuriated! How often has Charlie had his inner ear/s checked or does he not allow that? If sound is 'too loud' for him (and cats can hear - when they want to - for such long distances) it may well settle down over time.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 04, 2009, 20:32:01 PM: Day 15 - not much to report really. Things have def been calmer and quieter with Charlie. He has had no skitzy episodes at all for the last two days. He was running around today but it was playful and more controlled. His fur is hardly ever rippling and he is quite affectionate. Even offered me his tummy today which sadly I had to decline. He is not hassling too much for food and is sometimes even refusing his few biscuits. His weight has stabilised but still needs to go down a little. The only thing that hasn't improved at all is the reactivity to noise. We are now two weeks into the three week programme.
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Post by: bonnielass on February 04, 2009, 21:25:47 PM: Its so nice to hear you being more positive now and fantastic that Charlie is doing so well ;D and thats after 2 weeks things can only get better from now on, It must have been so hard to refuse the tummy tickle but well done for keeping to the rules :hug: :hug:
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Post by: lucky and jj mum on February 04, 2009, 21:48:54 PM: Thats great Chrissie is just over two weeks the difference you have notice in Charlie. Well done the pair of you :)
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on February 04, 2009, 22:39:10 PM: This all sounds like such good news. Well done you two! :D
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 04, 2009, 22:43:28 PM: Sounds like Charlie is doing fantastically. 2 weeks is such a short time but he's made loads of progress.
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Post by: clarenmax on February 05, 2009, 09:50:08 AM: Sounds like Charlie is making good progress, well done you :hug: :)
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Post by: Janeyk on February 05, 2009, 09:53:05 AM: Well done you and Charlie ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 06, 2009, 20:04:35 PM: Day 17. I am almost afraid to post! Charlie is wonderful. He is calm, funny, loving, mischievous and playful. He has not had a proper skitzy episode for quite a few days and seems to be much much calmer. Today for the first time we had a long play session involving lots of running around but he never got hyper. He has been headbutting me all day for kisses and loves and up to his usual mischievousness. I am not going to say he is cured because I don't think he is (I don't even know if he can be completely) but my goodness he is very nearly back to the old Charlie boy. Please send positive vibes that it continues. The only thing that hasn't changed is the reactveness to sounds. Thanks for reading.
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Post by: Janeyk on February 06, 2009, 20:07:31 PM: ;D Fab!

did he used to be ok then MM?
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 06, 2009, 20:09:38 PM: :hug: :hug: :hug: + Oodles of positive vibes!!! Brilliant news!! I have sensitive hearing myself (Im 51 and can still hear bats squeaking - the downstairs neighbours bathroom light switch wakes me up at night ..... hey ho!!) so I feel for poor Charlie. I can use earplugs if desperate (which I HATE) but you can hardly do that for a cat .....

Do so hope he has turned the corner and this is it!!! :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 06, 2009, 21:31:42 PM: Yep he used to be ok JaneyK although he has always been pretty high maintenance!
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Post by: bonnielass on February 06, 2009, 22:01:20 PM: its wonderful to get these updates on progress and see you much more relaxed and positive,that in turn must benefit Charlie because hes not picking up on your stress,loads of positive vibes are coming that this continues for you both :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 06, 2009, 22:05:57 PM: Im so pleased he's doing so well! :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 06, 2009, 22:38:21 PM: Yipeeeee :hug: :hug: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 06, 2009, 22:52:05 PM: this is all really good news. I hope you will both be more relaxed as a result. So good that you can see how he can be (again, as he was like this before) so if and when he does have a nervy day, you know that he can and will be so much better, which should hopefully make it easier for you to cope with :hug:
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Post by: Roz on February 07, 2009, 12:03:24 PM: WOW Chrissie! How interesting is that? The whole story is fascinating. I remember you saying months ago that you believed Charlie to be suffering from hyperesthesia but that your vet wouldn't countenance it.

I'm so so pleased that you seem at last to be making some headway with young Charlie. I almost feel that I don't want to say too much at this juncture in case it all goes pear-shaped again but am sending all positive vibes your way for Charlie's continued improvement.

What a difference this vet made.....Would you mind if I pm'd you for her details? I often have customers who need a good behaviourist and it would be good to put them in touch with someone who is genuine and can be recommended.

I'm sure you will continue to have good days and bad days but provided there are more good than bad, then the progress will be steady and continuous until at last you reach that longed for plateau of calm. I bet that abscess of his bum was causing him some pain too 'cos he might have been suffering from a build-up of anal gland gunge for some time without you knowing it. Mostly it secretes invisibly by itself but sometimes the glands becomes blocked don't they? We all know this happens in dogs (and God, doesn't it stink!!!) but cats don't seem to be affected by the condition as much but my guess is that he must have been incubating it for some time.

Anyway Chrissie, a very interesting read...and I shall continue to follow Charlie's progress.

Lots of love to ya both :Luv2:

Roz
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Post by: Tan on February 07, 2009, 14:15:26 PM: HI Hun

Just caught up with darlin Charlie's thread and it really is such fantasic news he is feeling more calmer and that you also feel better too ;D :hug:

I am loviong reading his diary and def would't mind hearing how he is getting on daily :) It's so very interesting for me to hear about cat behaviour and i am still amazed at the things i have learnt and read in cat behaiourst books and how the right actions from us slaves can make so much difference to their lives.

Sending lots of hugs to you and gental stokes in the right place for Charlielad. :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 07, 2009, 21:55:36 PM: Thanks all for good wishes. Had a bit of a bad day (sod's law eh?) but nothing too major. A big skitz this morning but only short, came in through the cat flap like a bat out of hell and his feet almost didn't touch the floor as he belted upstairs - I am guessing he might have seen a passing cat as he went straight to the spare bedroom window. Has been a bit MORE reactive to noise as is usual when he has a skitzy day but I am not worrying too much about it. Tomorrow is another day on the long road and he still managed to bash the hell out of his auto feeders when they didn't open to command!

Tan if you would like I can email you his diaries (they are daily ones). Let me know and I will gladly send them.

Thanks again for reading :)
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Post by: maryas on February 08, 2009, 10:09:02 AM: This change in weather we keep having is enough to send anyone crazy so I think he's doing ok really.

Well done to you both.

Mary and Bonnie xx :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 08, 2009, 18:46:13 PM: Try not to stress out when you have a setback. It's inevitable and I'm sure you'll have more. But overall, Charlie is doing great ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 08, 2009, 20:43:13 PM: Really bad day today and he even reacted to the sound of me putting a cig out in an ashtray!
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Post by: maryas on February 08, 2009, 21:44:20 PM: That's the best reason for you to stop smoking :hug:

Smudge was very nervous with different sounds and I always tried my best to be as quiet as I could. I always wondered if some kids had scared him when he was outside. Sometimes even just crossing my legs when sat on the settee would make him jump.

Mary
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 08, 2009, 22:17:11 PM: Believe me Maryas I is trying!!!!! I try not to be too quiet because he HAS to be able to live with everyday noises. He jumps at me shifting position in the chair too, he even once jumped when my friend was using my keyboard.
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 08, 2009, 22:42:19 PM: Quote from: Maddiesmum on February 08, 2009, 20:43:13 PM
Really bad day today and he even reacted to the sound of me putting a cig out in an ashtray!

:hug: :hug: Fingers crossed he has a good day tomorrow.
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 09, 2009, 15:14:35 PM: How is he doing today?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 09, 2009, 16:13:21 PM: I think you are worrying too much and getting stressed again and Charlie will pick this up. :hug:

Please stop worrying , my cats also jump at stupid things and I am very quiet. Charlie is doing very well in a very short time, look at all the positives and not the negatives ;D
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Post by: maryas on February 09, 2009, 16:17:35 PM: And so say all of us, and so say all of us. :hug: :hug:

Easier said than done but you've gotta try and be positive.

Mary
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 09, 2009, 17:51:31 PM: I am happy that he is doing well most of the time, I think the setback has upset me because it is not nice to see him so jumpy and anxous and unable to relax. I don't know why he skitzed again either, it may have been a cat or might just have had a hyperesthesic attack. Anyway we come to the end of our three week trial programme on Wed so will see what Sarah suggests. I am certain that his jumpiness started after his ear wash and although the vet says there is absolutely nothing wrong with his ears I am not so sure that it is not related. It's a chicken and egg situation, which comes first the ears of the skitzing? I am not despondent and am really not stressed, just concerned that we keep these attacks to the minimum we can but it's hard to manage without being sure of what triggers them
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Post by: Janeyk on February 09, 2009, 17:54:36 PM: Maybe he will always be a bit a little that way but from what you've said he certainly sounds to have improved and that's the main thing, just see what the behaviourist has to say, sounds like you've done great :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 09, 2009, 19:45:26 PM: I think the behaviorist will be very impressed and will probably have more things to suggest as he has improved so much ;D
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Post by: maryas on February 10, 2009, 07:20:39 AM: You've really worked hard with Charlie and I'm sure Sara will think so too when you see her on Wednesday. She will be giving you more things to try I presume.

Mary and Bonnie :hug: :hug:
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Post by: lucky and jj mum on February 10, 2009, 11:07:42 AM: Hi Chrissie, just catching up on Charlies diary. Things do seem to be going very well for Charlie even though he may have his off days.... :) Good luck on Wednesday, not that you need it as I'm sure Sara will be pleased with the results so far with Charlie.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 10, 2009, 15:50:31 PM: I'm not actually seeing Sarah on Wed. she only does one home visit and then you have 12 months email or phone support. I will send her his 3rd week diary and take it from there. Had a skitz this morning think it was high spirits but went a bit too far - still reactive to the strangest noises. For instance he stood next to me last night whilst I was piercing the film on something going in the microwave, made really loud noises and he never flinched but if a leaf falls off a tree (not literally of course) but any small noise, even ones he has heard every day, he freezes!
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Post by: maryas on February 10, 2009, 16:32:48 PM: Sorry I thought you was seeing her face to face.

Make sure you don't miss anything out. She sounds very good so I think she will be very thorough. Does Charlie jump even when the noise is happening in front of his eyes? I was thinking if you pick up a cup, put him in front of you and then lift the cup up exactly as you would do so that he can see what is making the noise.

Mary and Bonnie
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 11, 2009, 12:24:45 PM: Day 21 - the final day of the three week trial programme.
I can honestly say there have been big improvements but we still have the odd skitzy days. Charlie is still extremely reactive to sound and cannot seem to relax some days, as if he is worried. I think I found the trigger for the last big skitz on Saturday. My neighbour and her two housecats were in her garden. She said Charlie started to scratch at the fence and her two cats ran indoors. Hence him flying through the cat flap and upstairs to see if they had gone round the front. I don't know what I can do about his reaction to other cats though as we have a high concentration in a relatively small area.
He has had a nice play today and has been busy being nosy. Currently sat on his cat tree in the garden prior to his usual afternoon nap. I wish I could keep him calm all the time as it isn't much fun for him nor me, watching him.
Anyway will see the response from Sarah. Thanks for reading :)
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Post by: Dawn F on February 11, 2009, 12:37:22 PM: sounds good for just three weeks!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 11:33:01 AM: Still waiting to hear back from sarah but I think I have realised something. It is me that Charlie is anxious around. He was fine yesterday with my neighbour Nigel and my daughter. He is fine with my other two neighbours and fine with my lodger unless he gets too loud but yesterday in the kitchen he actually flinched when I put my hand near him to move his bowl. I think he may pick up on my anxiety which I am unable to do anything about as although I can pretend not to be anxious the reality is that most of the time I am. I feel so awful that this formerly happy cat is now a nervous wreck around me!
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 14:30:23 PM: That is sad and at present I am very stressed and both Ducha and Misa are doing the same , so guess thats why.

I would tell Sarah this and she may have a way of helping........I do hope so :hug:
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Post by: Indys Mamma on February 13, 2009, 14:32:08 PM: it may sound daft, but how listening to classical music or something soothing for *yourself*... so you can help you help him?

the other option is to watch daytime TV (record if necessary) and you will go into a zombie like stupor...
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 14:38:51 PM: Indy's Mamma. I have classical music on all the time (for Charlie!). My problem with anxiety stems back to a bad accident I had in 1996. After that I started having panic attacks. I had some counselling (which was useless as the woman was a dragon) and although I do not now have full blown panic attacks I do suffer from anxiety a lot of the time. My GP put me on beta blockers at one point but I kept going dizzy. I have tried almost everything over the 13 years but nothing beats the relentless feeling of being anxious! :(
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Post by: Dawn F on February 13, 2009, 14:43:32 PM: sorry that you feel like this but if nothing else it proves that Charlie can be better - maybe knowing this can help you in a funny sort of way - I hope this doesn't sound stupid I don't really have any experience of panic attacks
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 15:19:57 PM: No Dawn it doesn't sound silly it's a good point and I hadn't thought of it.
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Post by: Leanne on February 13, 2009, 16:39:42 PM: I'm just catching up on how Charlie is doing

I know i was stressing Jess out because I was so stressed I've learnt to calm down I think he knows it too

:hug: :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 14, 2009, 11:05:16 AM: I'm sorry to hear about the anxiety, Maddiesmum: I suppose you've tried SSRIs for yourself?
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 14, 2009, 11:46:37 AM: Here's loads of big :hug: :hug: :hug: for you both! x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 07:13:09 AM: Day 25. Still not heard back from Sarah. Charlie has mostly been ok yesterday was a really good day, he was happy and playful and spent ages running round with his Curlie purry and we played with his sparkly attachment for his Da Bird. I have put him on RC ultra light (after discussing it with the vet nurse) mixed with a little Bozita so some of the weight should def come off him. My neighbour Pat came in, she hasn't been in since 29th Dec as she had a bad fall, and Charlie was so excited to see her. He charged in from the garden and jumped all round her headbutting her. That was nice to see. After the realisation that he is anxious round me I am doing my level best to be positive etc. Hard when you have anxiety probs but will keep trying. He is still very reactive to small sounds though and has been shaking his paws a little - anyone have any experience of why this could be? Thanks for reading:)
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Post by: Indys Mamma on February 15, 2009, 09:26:44 AM: does he shake a paw like he has pins and needles? Misha does that whenever he wants something and is plotting how to get it

Hopefully by keeping calm for Charlie he will help you with the anxiety problems you have had too :hug: :hug:

yay for his progress too ;D
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Post by: maryas on February 15, 2009, 09:33:14 AM: Quickly reading through what I've missed in the last few days - busy looking after my mum.

Flinchinig at you - are you wearing different perfume or hand cream or something that he doesn't like?

Thius is so harde for you, you deserve a medal, or at least a Blue Peter Badge :rofl:

Hope Sarah can give you some more suggestions and glad he was fine yesterday.

Mary and Bonnie xx :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 15, 2009, 12:01:29 PM: Quote from: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 07:13:09 AM
He is still very reactive to small sounds though and has been shaking his paws a little - anyone have any experience of why this could be? Thanks for reading:)

Do you mean shaking his paws as if he were trying to get something off them? When does he do it? Blip does this from time to time and I think it's because she's a bit stiff - I started a thread about it, I'll try and find it...
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 15, 2009, 12:39:38 PM: Quote from: Christine (Blip) on February 15, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 07:13:09 AM
He is still very reactive to small sounds though and has been shaking his paws a little - anyone have any experience of why this could be? Thanks for reading:)

Do you mean shaking his paws as if he were trying to get something off them? When does he do it? Blip does this from time to time and I think it's because she's a bit stiff - I started a thread about it, I'll try and find it...

Here it is - http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php/topic,19839.msg338907.html#msg338907
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 13:46:29 PM: If he has just been out he may be shakin his paws to remove a bit of dirt or wet or somthing he has noticed since being outside, sure its nothing to worry about. :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 18:39:13 PM: He does it randomly! He shouldn't be having circulatory or arthritic probs at his age! Behaviourally I read that cats do it because they don't like something and can sometimes shake each paw in turn, I have seen him do it with three,. He doesn't like me :(
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 18:40:18 PM: Dont be daft , he loves you to bits :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Indys Mamma on February 15, 2009, 18:44:06 PM: maybe something on the floor tickles? after staring at Misha all day he only does it on the sitting room carpet...

whatever it is you know Charlie loves you :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 15, 2009, 19:12:34 PM: :C: :H: :A: :R: :L: :I: :E:

:L: :O: :V: :E: :S:

:H: :I: :S:

:M: :U: :M:

:Luv2: :Luv: :Luv2: :Luv:

Mary and Bonnie x
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Post by: lucky and jj mum on February 15, 2009, 21:13:04 PM: Chrissie we are mates and I'm sure (well I hope you won't take this wrong) your BARMY, course he loves you. Why else did he stick around when he had to chance of going off to someone else. You forget you didn't choose him he chose you. Now behave yourself and no more nonsense. ;)
You are doing so well with Charlie, I honestly don't think there are many who would have done all you have done and are doing for Charlie. In a short time you have achieved so much.
Now sit down have a cuppa and light up a cigie and chill out, your doing splendid. :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on February 16, 2009, 10:19:26 AM: well I don't know you but agree with the previous poster! I remember when he turned up, you really didn't want him to stay but couldn't stop him, he loves you there is no doubt, maybe he does pick up on your anxiety, my oh suffers from depression and when he was feeling bad a few weeks back it was awful at home because our lot played up like mad getting at each other when I mentioned to him about it - you can help each other hun and that is the nicest thing about the whole situation
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 17, 2009, 08:43:16 AM: Day 27. Sarah has now reviewed Charlie's diaries and thinks he is making progress as he is having some good days. She says his arousal levels are still too high and his behaviour is typical of that. We are to continue on the programme for another four weeks or so and then review again. She is considering meds but does not want to use them yet as it will take a few weeks for his arousal levels to reduce. She has also suggested a CD for introducing him gradually to noises (it is usually used for puppies but is effective for cats) so her practice are sending one out to me.

He has been skitzy since Saturday on and off but no major charging round ones,. He hasn't been very nice to me though, coming on the computer desk for a pet and then biting me if I pet him.

Ah well at least there is some positive stuff in it so will continue and feedback to you every few days. Thanks for reading and for your support. :)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 17, 2009, 11:33:41 AM: coming to the desk and nipping you sounds like he's jealous of the putah! he wants your undivided attention by the sound of it. I'm so pleased that Sarah is pleased though and also that there are no meds in the immediate future. :hug: xxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 17, 2009, 12:52:17 PM: yes that biting is like franta and he wants just you and i just had my hand caught between his two paws gripping with claws and then bitten cos he wanted both my hands on him and not one on keyboards.x
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 17, 2009, 12:56:38 PM: When my daughter Anne's cat, Lucky, was still a kitten, and Anne was about 3, they used to have mad romps and sometimes he would nip her in self defence. I caught them once, after Lucky had squeaked and asked what was going on. "He bitted my ear so I bit his" she said....... Not something I recommend but curiously, it worked!

Mr T nips sometimes if I stroke him too much in one place. It happens when Im falling asleep and on a sort of "automatic pilot" He nips me to make me move my hand to somewhere else.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 22, 2009, 16:49:24 PM: Day 32. Charlie has overall been doing very well. No skitzing but still very very reactive to sound. Am starting the sound desensitisation programme with him over the next couple of days so will feedback how it goes. He had a very big scare last night (see post on general chatting) but has done well all things considered Thanks for reading:)
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Post by: Janeyk on February 22, 2009, 16:52:19 PM: Well done and good luck with the next stage :)
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Post by: bonnielass on February 27, 2009, 17:58:46 PM: Hi Chrissie,just wondered how Charlie is doing now ,have you completed the desensitation programme yet :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 27, 2009, 18:17:25 PM: Day 37. Things have been really bad. After the big shock with the police incident (they broke into a neighbour's house and the noise was horrific) Charlie has slipped right back to his worst. He has skitzed every day since Sunday and is very agitated. I haven't started the noise desensitisation because he is so worked up I don't want to make him worse. I have just continued to do everything Sarah has told me but he is not showing any signs of calming down. It was a horrendous noise and sounded louder than a pneumatic drill and as if it was in the house. It has truly upset him. :(
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 27, 2009, 18:26:23 PM: Poor Charlie, he is such a sensitive soul and probably thought something terrible was going to happen to him.

I am sure he will calm down slowly once he undersyands he is safe again :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on February 27, 2009, 21:00:37 PM: Im sorry to hear you have gone back a couple of steps but dont be disheartened, just look on it as a blip and stay as calm as possible for your own sake and for Charlie,s. Keep to your usual routine and im sure eventually he will realise that he is still safe and will calm down once again, but whatever you do try not to let your anxiety show as he will pick up on it ,im sending lots of positive vibes for you both :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 27, 2009, 22:21:19 PM: What a shame. Poor Charlie. And poor you :hug: It's just a setback though. You've made so much progress with Charlie I'm sure he'll improve again once he's got over this episode.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 03, 2009, 19:42:26 PM: Day 41. things have been mostly very bad indeed although we did have the magic sit on lap moment. We are now going to go down the medication road. Charlie has had diarrhoea today which we think is stress related. He is not a happy cat at all and his edginess has increased. He has skitzed most days (not today yet touch wood) and is generally anxious and highly aroused. He is trying to comfort eat too. Anyway has had two lots of diarrhoea, one this morning and one about half an hour ago. If still having it tomorrow Irene the vet is giving me the probiotic paste. I worry because one of the symptoms of the coronavirus is diarrhoea!!!!! I worry anyway! We are still continuing with his programme but he is not really coming back round after the incident with the police. Also think there is a cat bothering him but haven't actually seen it.l

thanks for reading :)
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Post by: Janeyk on March 03, 2009, 19:59:30 PM: awww, what a shame poor Charlie I hope it is just a small setback maybe meds and the treatment programme are the way forward, best of luck :hug:

(I'm sure you will have tested his thyroid as that can cause over anxiety, eating and diarrhoea?)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 03, 2009, 20:00:02 PM: Stop worrying and you may find Lacto B that is a fine powder I am led to believe and will vanish in food, a better option and less stressful for Charlie.

I have just ordered some on vet uk for franta who has a tummy problem after all his abs.

I dont know what the behaviourist thinks but I think its too soon to go down the meds route after the police incident.

One thing is for certain you must stop worrying cos this is making him worse....he needs and relies on you and is a very sensitive boy so everytime you get all worried and stuff so does he.

Also you have not been doing your normal routine of being on the puta and stuff cos of your neck and I know Misa worries terribly if I do that and he keeps trying to take me into the study to be on the puta, so this may also be affecting Charlie.

Its all the innocent little changes that you dont notice but Charlie will :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Liz on March 03, 2009, 20:46:55 PM: I hope Charlie does start to calm down have you tried Zylkene - works wonders on some of our Hyper ferals when we first bring them in and its a natural product

On the coronavirus thing don't panic yet - we have Beijing who is a carrier and she is a bit loose in the stool department but our vets have advised us to leave well alone she is a happy soul and we don't change her routine and she is off to be speyed in May when she will be 1.

Also the coronavirus can also look like what Gem was tested for - can't remeber offhand but it shows the same symptoms and needs to be ruled out first - I will check gems thread tomorrow and let you know what the other thing is

Above all try and remain calm as he will pick upany worries you have - easier said than done but he has had the lap moment and that has to be a bonus gold star so :hug: to you and Charlie from all here
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 03, 2009, 20:56:48 PM: Thanks Gill Liz and Janey. I don't want him to have meds if we can avoid it but Sarah agrees. On and off Charlie has been stressed since last August time and it is not good for him physically or emotionally to be so anxious all the time. We are using the meds to stabilise him and to give him a break from feeling anxious all the time and to level out his anxiety. He has been on Zylkene for months and it really isn't strong enough for him. I can't help worrying, I wish I didn't but I am an anxious person and the slightest thing sends me off. I know it is not good for Charlie but there is little I can do about it I am afraid. I can pretend not to be anxious and stress but I still give off the vibes.

Charlie is only 2 and should be having a carefree fun filled life instead of which he is miserable, anxious and generally on edge most of the time. He does not cope well with some of the neighbourhood cats and these things, like the police incident, the cats, the wind, thunder, fireworks I have absolutely no control over. All I can do is make it as easy for him as possible and that is why the decision has been made to use medication
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Post by: maryas on March 03, 2009, 21:08:05 PM: I think we would all be happier without meds but if thye calm him down and make him happy and by him being happy, make you happy too, then you have to go for it. :hug: :hug:

Mary x :hug:
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Post by: Indys Mamma on March 03, 2009, 23:35:00 PM: oh MM :hug:

hopefully if Charlie has a few months on the meds and by the time he is weaned off them again he will have acclimatised to all the noises and stuff and be a normal, chilled pud that you wish would wake up

:hug: :hug: :hug: for you both
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on March 03, 2009, 23:43:16 PM: Poor Charlie :hug: and poor you :hug: I hope the meds help him and he can enjoy a calmer life.
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Post by: Liz on March 04, 2009, 09:28:05 AM: Toxoplasmosis initially shows the same symptoms as Corona but is cureable on antibiotics over a long period so if you are going to test then do this one to

Charlie sounds as if he is at odds with this modern world and it can be so difficult to remain calm for them - soeaking from experience here on that one I am Mrs paranoid if so much as one of ours sneezes or looks off for no apparent reason so know how hard it can be

Have you tried things like having indoor pots of Catnip, and cat grass - we have both and dry the nip from the outside and have parties on a rug and they love it

Just keep being positive and above all try and have chill time for you both :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on March 04, 2009, 10:06:15 AM: I can't add anything practical hun, just wanted to say keep up the good work, yes there have been some setbacks, but I'm sure you can build again on what you acheived before the police incident next door.

Chin up :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Millys Mum on March 04, 2009, 18:00:27 PM: Whats he being medicated with? I hope it doesnt make him feel too 'fluffy' :loon: Its a hard decision whether to use drugs or not but its something iv decided i wouldnt do for taz, fortunately i can control his issues abit better now i understand him (a little bit lol)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 05, 2009, 09:01:50 AM: Day 43. Charlie is going to have fluoextine. Please please if you know things about it don't tell me. I am anxious enough and have to trust in Sarah and my vet. Will keep you posted. :)
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Post by: maryas on March 05, 2009, 09:40:26 AM: I take fluoxetine!! There must be a cat version too. If they say it will work for him and it does it doesn't matter. All that is important is that Charlie is ok and you are not worrying. :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on March 05, 2009, 10:17:27 AM: Fingers crossed it does the trick for Charlie :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 05, 2009, 11:26:04 AM: I could scream I really could, he was just starting to calm down and Sophie next door's cat was perching on the wall eyeballing him. He ran up the fence and she smacked him one and spat at him which has got him all hyper again
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 06, 2009, 15:44:34 PM: Day 44. Spoke to Sarah as the meds have arrived and she wanted to talk me through doseage, rationale and anything I might want to ask. We will start Charlie on the meds any day now (he is a little constipated so we want to get his poo back to normal as a potential side effect is constipation). They should start to work in about 3 weeks. He is on a minimal dose which can be increased if necessary However if these drugs do not work then realistically Sarah says, I have to think about rehoming him to somewhere where there is less concentration of cats. All the things that are stressing Charlie are completely outside my control and so it is not really possible for me to reduce his stress. I need you all to send us tons of positive vibes that the meds do the trick but the other thing I have to consider is that although the meds may help, they are not something he will stay on for the rest of his life and even if they do help now, when he is weaned off them what if he goes back to being stressed again? A horrible time coming up I think, please keep Charlie in your thoughts :(
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Post by: Liz on March 06, 2009, 15:50:16 PM: The Clan Cats and Dogs have all paws crossed and parent have fingers crossed for you and Charlie and hope that everything works :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 06, 2009, 17:52:09 PM: If I didnt have 4 cats I would take Charlie tomorrow, cos he is so lovely :hug:
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Post by: maryas on March 06, 2009, 19:00:10 PM: MEDS YOU WILL WORK

MEDS YOU WILL WORK

MEDS YOU BLOODY WELL WILL WORK. :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 08, 2009, 12:16:47 PM: DAY 48 things have been really bad behaviour and skitzing wise with Charlie. He will start on his meds tomorrow so fingers, toes, eyes, legs, and paws crossed we shall see an improvement in three weeks or so. I have been at the end of my tether with him this morning :)
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Post by: Liz on March 08, 2009, 15:19:38 PM: I have been speaking to a friend who fosters for CP and she had 2 very traumatised cats in fact so much so that folks wanted to PTS but Patricia said no and took them home to her pens and she had fur tested and started using essential oil therapy on them - 9 months on both have been rehomed to a lovely couple and they are like different cats

i think it involves fur being tested or something similar and on awkward and very stressed cats my old branch of CP are now testing and taking advice from the alternative therapist and it has worked wonders on traumatised and scarey ferals

We used Margicol tablets for the healthfood shop on our 3 from Patricia and all are well settled and have fitted in might be worth a try

if you want toknow more about the therapy thing I can get some details for you

Lets hope that the meds kick in and soon both of you can have some more quality knee time :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 08, 2009, 15:24:57 PM: Would be great if you could get the details please as the meds are the last hope we have of me and Charlie staying together for ever :(
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Post by: Kirst on March 08, 2009, 15:34:09 PM: Arms ,legs ,fingers and toesies crossed that the meds help.xx :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 08, 2009, 15:38:51 PM: Im sorry your having such a bad time with Charlie, it must be breaking your heart thinking that maybe you will have to let him go :( but try to stay positive and calm and dont think that far ahead, maybe between the meds and alternative therapy you can sort him out so you both continue to be together,will keep fingers crossed and send lots of positive vibes for you both :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 08, 2009, 15:54:29 PM: I keep crying at the thought. I am trying not to think about it but yesterday I was really upset and pictured myself packing all his stuff up and him leaving. I don't want it to happen but it is a possibility unless I can get something to work as all the stressors are totally outside my control so I can't do anything to ease them for him. I am really anxious and depressed about the whole thing. I have tried every possible thing I can think of, have read up on stress in cats, have every book published I think, have discussed him with three behaviourists and the vet. There is nothing more I can do if the meds don't work and I wont know that for three weeks. Whatever happens I have to do the best I can with Charlie's interests at heart, even I break my own heart in the process. :(
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Post by: Kirst on March 08, 2009, 15:57:40 PM: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 08, 2009, 16:09:37 PM: Chrissie dont think about what might happen in 3 weeks, concentrate on today,and take one day at a time,you have to remain calm for Charlie, otherwise nothing will work because he will pick up on your stress. Try the meds and alt.therapy have you also considered Acupuncture, that can also relieve stress altho i dont know where you would go for this unless your vet can recommend someone,just a thought but maybe another avenue to explore :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on March 08, 2009, 16:11:39 PM: No tears and no broken hearts just yet please - in fact not at all. Positive vibes in your house from now on please, or Charlie's Army will be after you.

It's just a pity it will take a long time for the meds to start acting, but you never know, you might see a difference pretty soon.

Everything crossed.

Mary :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on March 08, 2009, 18:15:40 PM: Quote from: Maddiesmum on March 08, 2009, 15:54:29 PM
There is nothing more I can do if the meds don't work and I wont know that for three weeks. Whatever happens I have to do the best I can with Charlie's interests at heart, even I break my own heart in the process. :(

I wonder if you have a homeopathic vet near you? homeopathic remedies can work really well for stress related probs, mabe try that. http://www.bahvs.com/findavet.htm :hug:
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Post by: Liz on March 08, 2009, 20:02:11 PM: This is the link that I have been given - its actually an alternative therapy centre about 5 mins from where we used to live and they have been very helpful with CP cats, not sure on costs but it may be worth contacting them - Patricia swears by them and she specialises in the fostering of some of the most traumatised cats I have seen and although its usually a long haul she really has had positive results

http://www.rapha.com/
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 08, 2009, 20:11:06 PM: Do not give up and so agree with Mary...Charlie needs you in the right frame of mind to help him and you know he loves you as much as you love him :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Liz on March 10, 2009, 10:01:34 AM: Hope you and Charlie are both feeling better :hug:

here is another naturel tablet for stress is £14.99 for 200

Description is below

Scullcap and Valerian is a traditional herbal remedy for the symptomatic relief of anxiety, nervousness, excitability and travel sickness and an adjunct in the treatment of epilepsy in dogs and cats. Calms and relaxes without sedating. Can be used on a daily basis or as and when required for specific occasions or situations. Please note that epilepsy should only be treated in conjunction with your veterinary surgeon. Recommended dose: 1-2 tablets per 5kg bodyweight daily.
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Post by: Leanne on March 10, 2009, 10:08:31 AM: Chrissie I am catching up with this :hug: :hug: :hug: to you and Charlie.

The meds will work
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 10, 2009, 13:37:21 PM: Thanks for all your good wishes, support and ideas. I will keep him on the treatment programme of Sarah's for now and give it the best chance of working I can. I will keep details of the alternative therapies/homeopathic remedies though. Sarah's programme (pre meds) was starting to show results until we had the awful incident with the police. Then quickly on the heels of that came Sophie (next door's cat) bullying him plus a new unneutered tom stray in the area (Nigel is trying to tempt him in and will have him neutered and adopt him he says), plus bad storms, wind, rain, hail and my noisy lodger's return haven't really helped us much. Now I may have to have some remedial work done on the house but am trying to postpone it for as long as possible to give him a chance.

On a brighter note he has been a good boy since yesterday afternoon. No skitzing, some sweet headbutts and face snuggles for his mum but still noise reactive. Will keep you posted and please, please keep the positive vibes up :)
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on March 10, 2009, 13:40:47 PM: Just wanted to send a :hug: for you and a :hug: for Charlie
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Post by: LeighK on March 10, 2009, 15:14:43 PM: Same here, big :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

From the boys and I

All best wishes

Leigh, Alfie and Frankie
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Post by: Indys Mamma on March 10, 2009, 15:35:11 PM: a huge :hug: from me too

how about you treat yourself to a lavender bath oil and have a soak? you've been through the wars this last few months :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Skiddaw on March 10, 2009, 16:44:04 PM: Second that. And remember you and Charlie have made progress- the external issues that caused the set back were unfortunate but you couldn't have done anything about it. Glad he seems calmer today.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 10, 2009, 17:32:01 PM: Lots of positive vibes and good wishes for you and Charlie :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Wibblechick on March 10, 2009, 17:36:23 PM: Positive vibes and :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and Charlie :)
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on March 10, 2009, 17:59:40 PM: Positive vibes, :hug: :hug: and lots of love from all of us to you both
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 10, 2009, 18:23:47 PM: hope lots and lots of loving headbutts are coming your way and that Princess Sophie stays away :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on March 10, 2009, 18:38:34 PM: Sorry I've followed this thread but recently missed updates with everything :hug: I hope you can sort things out with Charlie :hug:
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Post by: maryas on March 17, 2009, 09:24:09 AM: Diary update please :hug: :Luv2:

Mary xx
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Post by: Leanne on March 17, 2009, 11:22:44 AM: I was just thinking the same :hug: to Chrissie
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 17, 2009, 11:24:24 AM: :rofl: Mary. Have been reluctant to post for support as am offering so little back at the moment and feel really guilty. However my pains are def connected to my computer use! Anyway enough of me.

Day 57. One week on the meds. There have been some improvements and calmer times but, as ever, things conspire against us to have a quiet and calm period with no disruptions. Next door's cat Sophie has been out more and trying to bully Charlie so this has got him worked up twice. It takes a day or so for it to reach its peak and then a day or so to calm down. Anyway after discussion with Sophie's owner we have agreed that I can put up some rubber cat deterrent spikes (not really what I would want to do but have tired other methods of deterring her and none of them worked). They are due to go up this afternoon so no doubt the hammering etc will further upset Charlie. It is a lovely day here, as was yesterday, so we have spent some time playing hunting and bubbles in the garden. But as usual, fate conspires and the bin men arrive and start banging and crashing which made it difficult for Charlie to focus. But we had a great day yesterday, calm, happy, playful and sociable with a touch of the old Charlie mischievousness. Sarah said it would take about 3 weeks for the meds to kick in completely so hopefully fingers crossed etc. Anyway we just plod on! Thanks for reading and all your lovely support which is very much needed and appreciated. :)
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Post by: maryas on March 17, 2009, 11:38:10 AM: NEVER be reluctant - we are all here for each other and you know it. :hug: :hug:

My hands (more my right one with mouse clicking toomuch) are sometimes painful but a friend of mine just recently had an op on one of her arms cos she was so bad with the computer. It did the trick and now she is waitig for her other one to be done.

Poor Charlie - there's time for the meds to kick in yet. Glad your neighbour is being supportive. Put a few pics of savsage dogs facing Sophie's way and then she wont come near Charlie :naughty: :Luv2: :rofl:

My Smudge used to hate the dustbin van - she would run behind the settee until they had gone.

Best of luck AND.... keep us informed :hug: :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Indys Mamma on March 17, 2009, 11:38:29 AM: yay for any improvements :D even temporary...

I hope the rubber spikes keep Sophie away and let Charlie calm down again

:hug: :hug: for you MM you are coping better than I would
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Post by: bonnielass on March 17, 2009, 14:28:44 PM: Glad to hear there is a bit of improvement in Charlie and hopefully when the meds really get going thing will get better for you both,and as Maryas says dont be afraid to come on for support if your feeling low ,we are all here for you at all times :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on March 17, 2009, 17:18:24 PM: Don't feel you can't post - we all want to know how Charlie is doing! :Luv:

I hope the meds work. It's such a shame you can't get everyone within a mile radius of you to go on holiday for a few weeks and leave you and Charlie to some peace and quiet!
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Post by: Janeyk on March 17, 2009, 18:33:52 PM: :hug: hey missus you can lean on us whenever don't forget that, glad you've managed to sort something out with your neighbour that is good and I hope it helps xx
I can understand the puter too especially if you have a problem, it gives neck ache and eye strain if I overdo it :tired:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 18, 2009, 01:43:25 AM: Pleased that Charlie is showing signs of his old self and dont you dare feel reluctant to post cos we all love Charlie and need to know how he is getting on :hug: :hug:

I understand about the computer cos my eyes suffer and my elbow if I click too much :shify:
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Post by: maryas on March 18, 2009, 12:28:21 PM: Don't you just love us all telling you off? :evillaugh: :rofl: :Luv2: :hug:

Hope you are both enjoying the sunshine.

Mary :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on March 18, 2009, 13:09:01 PM: Quote from: Susanne (urbantigers) on March 17, 2009, 17:18:24 PM
Don't feel you can't post - we all want to know how Charlie is doing! :Luv:

Indeedy - we're all here to provide support, advice, or even just a hug when you need it ..... there, you've been told :hug: :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 22, 2009, 11:46:04 AM: Day 62- 13 days on med. I think I have discovered something. I think I am guilty of something. I hope I have rectified it for good!

Charlie had not been having brilliant days. I was reading up on hyperesthesia, it's causes etc etc (I have done this before but not picked up on this particular issue). Anyway, there it was, in black and white, CIGARETTE SMOKE can cause hyperesthesia. It was like a light switch going in my head, Charlie hates cigarettes. He avoids them like the plague. So here was I, a truly heavy smoker since I gave up work, polluting his environment with toxins and smells and chemicals. So, although I have not quite reached the stage where I can give up, I have made a big change and I now only smoke outdoors - at the front of the house mostly, so as not to encroach on his garden. It has cut my consumption down by three quarters too which can't be bad, as I have to actually think before I light up.

The difference in him, in just three days, is 99%. Today I have my old Charlie boy back, the naughty Charlie who climbs on the mantlepiece and knocks everything off, the playful Charlie running round the garden with his ping pong balls. His head shaking has stopped, he hasn't skitzed, his skin barely ripples (save for when he is taking his meds), he is much more sociable and affectionate and although he is still slightly sound reactive, it is nothing like as bad as previously.

Now, it could be a co-incidence and the meds kicking in, but somehow I think the cig smoke has a lot to do with it. It is early days and I am hoping I have finally cracked it. Please please keep on sending your positive thoughts to this mummy who is feeling so guilty and horrible.
Cheers for reading :)
Title: Re: Wish us lots of luck tomorrow now updated with IMPORTANT BREAKTHROUGH?
Post by: Christine (Blip) on March 22, 2009, 11:52:58 AM: It would make sense. I do hope that withdrawal of cigarette smoke from his environment helps him turn the corner. :hug: I've often thought that cats in general must be very sensitive to fag smoke.

As a former smoker myself, I'll spare you the lecture on using this opportunity to give up, shall I?
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Post by: maryas on March 22, 2009, 11:56:37 AM: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:

Fantastic news. Looks like you are saving each others lives :hug: :hug: :Luv2: :Luv2:

Even smoking outside you will still have the smell on you so it might be good to wear some old clothes when you go out for a cig. When I smoked I alwys had candles lit in the room - don't have to be perfumed, just cheap white candles and leave them lit for about 10 mins after - i never smelt anything in the house.

Good luck and love to Charlie. :Luv2:

Mary
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Post by: Liz on March 22, 2009, 15:51:35 PM: So iit looks like a positive move for you both you are gaining in your helath and Charlie is gaining back his to

it seems so much like a win win and with all you save by cutting back on the smoking more things for you and Charlie to enjoy together :hug:
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Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on March 22, 2009, 16:04:31 PM: Brilliant news :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on March 22, 2009, 17:01:50 PM: What a breakthrough!!! And if you hgave to go out to smoke you will naturally cut down so your helat will be improving as well as Charlies! :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on March 22, 2009, 17:12:38 PM: That's fantastic news ;D I'm so pleased for you, I really am. As you say it could be the meds - it's hard to tell when you make a few changes simultaneously but doubt the ciggies would have helped. I'm an ex-smoker so well done you for both going outside for your fag and cutting down :hug: it's great just to hear he's a happier boy - keep us posted xx
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Post by: Mark on March 22, 2009, 17:46:43 PM: Great news - lets hope it is the cigs and he can come off he meds :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 22, 2009, 17:53:03 PM: don't feel guilty! It all sounds really good and it was your research that found that out, too. :hug: xx
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on March 22, 2009, 18:15:09 PM: Great news that you've discovered this. You are bound to cut down if you are having to go outside to smoke, and it will help Charlie too so it's a win win situation ;D
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Post by: Wibblechick on March 22, 2009, 18:25:34 PM: Wow!! What a brilliant breakthrough/discovery :)

You have also made me realise something very interesting.....

Mr T's original owners are heavy smokers - 4 smokers in the house full time and visitors .....

I wonder if Mr T had withdrawal symptoms when he moved in here full time as he always heads straight for a smoker friend of mine when she lights up. He rubs his head all over her ciggy packet, too. .....

I used to smoke - not a lot but I know how hard it is to give up. I still get the odd day when I really want one :-[

:hug: :hug: :hug: For you and Charlie
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Post by: Janeyk on March 22, 2009, 18:45:00 PM: I also think you noticing this is good for other readers whose cat may suffer with hyperesthesia. Different illness but I once saw a woman on TV who was highlighting the problem of ciggies to cats and how her poor cat had suffered badly with it's chest/breathing in the end it was fatal (she lived in a small flat smoking heavily) it was awful to hear what it did to her cat :(
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Post by: pappilon on March 22, 2009, 19:08:24 PM: Oh that is great news, i hope Charlie can come off the med soon.

:hug: :hug: to you and Charlie boy. :Luv:
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Post by: Indys Mamma on March 22, 2009, 19:36:20 PM: have noticed my boys play up more if mum is having a heavy smoking day... but thought it was just them reacting to the stress vibes she was giving off

gonna ask her to not spark up around them, thanks :)

and I am so glad it seems to have helped Charlie so quickly, now you can spend the money you are saving on cigs... on him! new toys!!!

:hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 22, 2009, 20:02:18 PM: Chrissie im so pleased for you, this breakthrough will benefit you both ;D i bet its wonderful to have the old Charlie back and who knows he may be able to come off the meds and still be the happy little man you love so much :Luv: and its also going to benefit me as after reading about this im giving up smoking as i dont want anything to happen to my gang, so thank you very much :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 23, 2009, 01:43:33 AM: what a great discovery and wonderful if it helps you both :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on March 23, 2009, 08:48:38 AM: OMG Chrissie thats some breakthough. :hug: :hug: to you and Charlie
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Post by: maryas on March 28, 2009, 18:33:09 PM: A few diary pages missing here - hope Charlie is ok and you of course. :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 28, 2009, 19:10:17 PM: Day 68 - 19 days on meds. Charlie has had a very mixed week. We have had several days of high winds (we have it really bad when it is windy due to the proximity of the huge field bordered by tall, closely planted trees - the wind absolutely whistles round) which always make him skittish. However, on the whole he hasn't done too badly. He has had, I think, three major skitzing episodes and the rest of the time he has been mad eyed and nervy. My neighbour, Nigel, came round the other day and remarked how "chilled out" Charlie seemed. Charlie let Nigel stroke him all down his back and his fur didn't ripple once. This morning I woke up to find Charlie snuggled right beside me. He hasn't been on the bed for ages and when he did come on it was always towards the bottom. Today he was right up close and we had a petting session during which he purred profusely. He hasn't purred for a while either. I was a bit disappointed as he seemed to have slipped back after the wonderful few days we had when I first started smoking outdoors. However that did tie in with a period of relative calm. The cat deterrent spikes seem to have deterred Sophie, at least from sitting and eyeballing Charlie, though she has been spied teetering along them! We think we have located the owner of the new unneutered stray tom and are planning to visit them and suggest neutering. I should be able to get a free neuter voucher from CP if they have problems with the finances of it.

All in all, not too bad a period. He will have been on the meds 3 weeks on Monday. Sarah has a weekly diary and has had since she first came into the picture with Charlie and I am awaiting her feedback on his current progress. He hasn't had a poo since Wed though but has had some lactulose so hopefully that will come soon. Constipation is a possible side effect of his meds.

Thank you for reading and caring about Charlie and me, I am having problems with my arms etc and due to see a bone specialist on 9th April. Please keep your pos vibes coming to my cheeky chappy.

Love and :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Indys Mamma on March 28, 2009, 19:19:09 PM: awh I'm glad he hasn't skitzed too much, even with the spooky wind.... that upsets even Indy who is uber laid back

Huge :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and Charlie and I hope the progress continues for you. Good vibes for him and your bones
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Post by: Wibblechick on March 28, 2009, 19:30:36 PM: I spent an awful lot of the night before last sitting up cuddling Mr T who hates windy weather :(

:hug: :hug: :hug: For you and Charlie - we need you both well :)
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Post by: Lynds on March 28, 2009, 21:25:53 PM: I've just caught up with your current and past threads. What a nightmare this must be for you. I'm sending positive vibes your way and hope this is a step forward in the right direction for you. Keep us posted.

Lynds x
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Post by: maryas on March 28, 2009, 22:22:42 PM: Sounds promising - hope you get more snuggles and purs from him. :Luv2:

Good luck on the 9th.

Mary and Bonnie :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 29, 2009, 16:54:22 PM: Day 69 - 20 days on meds - a quick positive update. This morning Charlie was outside sitting on top of his outdoor cat tree. Someone let off about 10/15 loud fireworks somewhere not too far away. He didn't move a muscle, wasn't interested just carried on sitting in the sunshine. :)
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Post by: Wibblechick on March 29, 2009, 17:00:52 PM: ;D Blimey!!! That must rate a string of these :wow:

:yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:

Thats REAL progress. Im so pleased for you both :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 29, 2009, 17:09:46 PM: Thats fantastic news :wow: i bet you enjoyed your cuddle session with Charlie :Luv: long may this prrogress carry on and hope you get some positive action and news from the specialist on the 9th april
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on March 29, 2009, 20:45:02 PM: Charlie is such a star. This is all so positive!!! :Luv2:
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Post by: Janeyk on March 29, 2009, 20:50:54 PM: :hug: Keep it up Charlie boy
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 30, 2009, 01:51:07 AM: Sounds like Chaqrlie is deoing great and lots of good vibes to both of you ;D ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 01, 2009, 20:48:25 PM: Day 72 three weeks and 2 days on meds. Well I am happy to report that Charlie is doing great! He has only had one tiny skitz (just a split second) when he discovered I had re-seeded a tiny patch of grass. He promptly dug and peed in it! He is far less reactive to sound, I would almost go so far as to say his reaction is normal. His fur hardly ever ripples and he is much more chilled out. We even managed a Da Bird game which was a little wild but he didn't go OTT tonight. He is less crazy for food (still likes it though) and things don't seem to be bothering him so much. He is also purring again! Fingers crossed for him that this continues. Tomorrow is forecast sunny and 60 degrees F here in Manchester so I expect we will spend a fair bit of time in the garden. Sophie is deterred! Unfortunately the stray doesn't belong to the person we thought it did but haven't seen him around too much. Things are looking good for my boy:) Thanks for reading and please keep the pos vibes coming.
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Post by: Indys Mamma on April 01, 2009, 20:51:32 PM: yay!
:hug: :hug:

I am so glad things are going so well for you :) :hug:

So glad that Charlie is having chance to relax, and the more relaxed he gets the less upsets there will be so he can relax! happy circle!!

Positive vibes still pouring your way. How's your back and arms?
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Post by: Wibblechick on April 01, 2009, 20:54:01 PM: Lovely news!!

Lots of :hug: :hug: :hug: and positive vibes that he keeps it up :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 01, 2009, 20:56:14 PM: Thanks, my back and arms still hurt if I am on the computer. I am seeing the bone consultant a week tomorrow though to be honest I don't think it will serve any purpose as it is def connected with computer use. Think it is probably RSI although someone I know mentioned they got similar symptoms to mine (I have other things going on, I am an old crock!) and it related to her thyroid so am going to speak to my GP about this.
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Post by: maryas on April 01, 2009, 21:15:14 PM: Excellent :Luv2: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 01, 2009, 23:21:42 PM: Charlie sounds really cool ;D

I am sure my cats would have just dug the lot up and told me in no uncertain terms , not to mess with their garden :rofl: :rofl:
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Post by: Janeyk on April 02, 2009, 07:32:27 AM: Pleased Charlie is still doing well :)
Title: Re: Wish us lots of luck tomorrow now updated with IMPORTANT BREAKTHROUGH?
Post by: Maddiesmum on April 10, 2009, 15:34:30 PM: Day 81 4 weeks and 4 days on meds.

It has not been a good week. Charlie has been really off and miserable and has been very jumpy and nervous. I have felt quite despondent and wondered if this is as good as it gets with him. Anyway I am feeling much better as Sarah (behaviourist) phoned me for a chat this morning. She thinks, from Charlie's diaries, that he is making good progress. She said with hyperesthesia he is permanently at the top level of stress and the slightest thing can tip him over. Anyway she feels he has made steps in the right direction as he is having some good days, is not skitzing every day and even when he does they are of short duration.

She said the meds are only just starting to take effect and it will be another four or so weeks before we can expect to see the full benefit. She said I must not tiptoe round him and worry that things I do will set him off. She pointed out that that is bad for me and I will feel stressed and anxious (tell me about it) which is not good for my health and will transmit to Charlie.

So I am actually feeling better about it now. She said he will be up and down and it will take time.

I saw the bone specialist yesterday who says I def have something going on in my left arm (either from my neck or elbow). He thinks it could either be a trapped nerve or something similar to carpal tunnel syndrome. Also there is some problem in my right shoulder (what an old wreck I am becoming) so he is referring me to two different hospitals. One to have diagnostics done on the nerves in my left arm and the other for a scan on my neck. In the meantime I have to just take painkillers. He did say, however, that he doesn't think it is anything sinister.

Those of you who read "From the Cats Mouth" will have read about Charlie's escapade with the Easter egg box. For those who haven't read it, he climbed on the dresser and poked his head in an Easter egg box and got it stuck. He then danced backwards across the dresser and fell off still with the box attached. The same day I accidently locked him in the garden in the dark!

Anyway thanks for reading and for all your support, much, much appreciated:)
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on April 10, 2009, 15:54:28 PM: It sounds like Charlie is making good progress overall. It may seem like 2 steps forward and one step back (or even one step forward then two back at times!) but that is inevitable given the nature of his condition. I really do think he is improving and that he is doing much better overall, despite the odd setback. Sarah is right about you not worrying - not good for you or for Charlie :hug: Try to relax (easier said than done I know) and accept that Charlie is doing great :hug:

Good luck with the hospital appts - I'm glad the bone specialist doesn't think it is anything sinister :hug:
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Post by: Sheli_80 on April 10, 2009, 16:17:47 PM: I only just managed to catch up with this thread and feel you need loads and loads of :hug: :hug:

It looks like he has come a long way since he first started, hope you are enjoying the days where you almost have your old Charlie back. Hope things continue to get better.
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Post by: Janeyk on April 10, 2009, 16:28:47 PM: I think Charlie has done great so far MM, a few setbacks are bound to happen and what the behaviourist says makes good sense to me. I would just be yourself aside from training prog. whatever. Hope you sort your painful problems out and get to what is causing it :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 10, 2009, 18:51:22 PM: Charlie is doing great and I am pleased to see he still gets up to mischief ;D
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Post by: Wibblechick on April 10, 2009, 20:21:00 PM: You really do have my sympathy with your neck and shoulder problems - my OH is waiting for a diagnosis himself. He had an accident at the end of July - fell off the back of a lorry ( :shocked: yes - we laugh about it now, too) and at first we thought the main injury was a badly fractured right wrist and head injuries. Its turned out to be rather more than just that - Drs and hospital are now talking nerve problems and ligament troubles . He has no proper grip in his right hand, cant raise the arm properly above waist level and has a lot of neck pain. His left arm is now causing problems as he has over used it ....

Still, as he says, we have our cats as a distraction :Luv2:

Poor old Charlie and his Easter egg experience - he has some splendid adventures, doent he?

:hug: :hug: :hug: to you and him :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 22, 2009, 09:38:14 AM: Day 93 5 and a half weeks on meds.

Charlie has been quite up and down but I am pleased to report he is having more good than bad days. In a week he had three good days, two so so days and two very bad days. He is quite calm at the moment and enjoying spending lots of time snoozing on his cat tree in the garden or chasing the hose sprinkler in the evenings. He can have a short game of Da Bird/Mouse without it turning into a skitz at the moment. He is more tolerant of cats around the area and has his affectionate moments.

Of course having written this down I have the dread of jinxing it all as this has happened so often.

I am pleased with his progress and hoping things can only get better. He is having another cat tree built in the garden any day and it will have a platform joining it to his other one. Also he is having shelf outside under the window. his grasses are starting to grow back and I am leaving the grass longer.

He has had fun chasing bugs and is a lot less demanding on the food front

Thanks for listening and caring about us:)
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Post by: clarenmax on April 22, 2009, 09:39:58 AM: Aw hun, I'm so pleased that his behaviour is so much better, and that you are having more good days than bad days now ;D :hug:

Charlie is very luck to have such a caring meowmy :hug:
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Post by: Liz on April 22, 2009, 09:42:33 AM: So pleased that the good is out weighing the bad and that you both are having more good days

When the sun shines the world is a much happier place all round :hug:
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Post by: maryas on April 22, 2009, 11:41:09 AM: Come on Charlie, you can do it. :hug:

We are so proud of you and your mummy :Luv2: :hug:

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Mary and Bonnie
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 22, 2009, 11:48:31 AM: Charlie is doing great and if he was mine I would be so happy even if thats as good as it got ;D
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Post by: pappilon on April 22, 2009, 13:00:20 PM: Oh that is really good news, i hope he carry on having good days. :)

How are you feeling your self with your shoulder and neck? :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on April 22, 2009, 14:14:33 PM: That sounds really positive and I am so glad for both you and Charlie that you are having more good days than bad, charlie is doing so well :Luv2: - xxx :hug:
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Post by: Lynds on April 22, 2009, 21:19:44 PM: Long may the positive things continue.

:Luv2:
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Post by: Wibblechick on April 23, 2009, 17:13:34 PM: Im so pleased things seem generally better :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 23, 2009, 17:20:30 PM: Thank you all for your kind posts. To answer the question about me! I am not doing too good really. I have been feeling lightheaded most of the time and have had two occasions when I felt really dizzy, clammy and my legs felt like lead. Saw my gp today who said he thinks the "turns" were caused by nicotine rushes as they both occurred during my first cigarette of the day. He is convinced the lightheadedness is caused by my constant anxiety. I have seen the bone consultant who says there is def a weakness in my left arm/hand and a possible problem with my right shoulder (old crock am I). Anyway he has referred me for an MRI scan on my neck and nerve diagnostics on my left arm. I haver the MRI appointment for 18th May but not heard about the other one yet.

On a Charlie note he is doing just fine although he did have a little skitz earlier. He has coped this week with four firemen and the police in the house! Nothing sinister, the fire brigade are doing a campaign on safety in the home and fitted me two new smoke alarms and the police came to check the firebrigade had been.

Thanks again to you all for your caring concern and endless support:)
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Post by: Wibblechick on April 23, 2009, 17:25:48 PM: Aw, you poor thing :hug: Fingers crossed for the MRI scan :)
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Post by: maryas on April 23, 2009, 22:12:24 PM: :hug: :hug: to you both. Sounds like your GP is on the ball though. Good luck. :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 09, 2009, 16:26:41 PM: Day 110 (I think) 8 weeks and a bit on meds. Well things have been really bad the last couple of weeks. Charlie has reverted to his bad days almost without exception. I am conscious that part of it is down to my anxiety levels and that try as I might not to let Charlie be aware of them, he is. We have had several large skitzes, fur rippling, head shaking, over grooming, noise sensitivity, the lot all back again. I felt really desperate and have asked Sarah (Behaviourist) to review his meds to see if the dose needs increasing slightly.

However, I have to say that today I am feeling much better and so is Charlie. I have changed his feeds to every couple of hours, just a couple of mouthfuls and have had to cut down his biscuits as his weight gain is far too much. No wonder though with so little exercise compared to previously.

We have a new game, hunt the bits of cooked chicken in the garden which we do every couple of evenings and he adores it.

HOpefully, next time, I will have better news to report but ever onwards and upwards.

Thank you all again for caring so much about us both, Charlie sends a hi five :)
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Post by: maryas on May 09, 2009, 18:27:30 PM: Wat to go Charlie - bet you enjoy that chicken game mate

:yayyy: :luck: :happy dance: :clap: :feed: :disco:

Bonnie and Mary xx
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Post by: maryas on May 23, 2009, 09:22:02 AM: How are you and Charlie doing Chrissie?? Hope you are both feeling strong and healthy. :hug: :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 23, 2009, 12:14:49 PM: Day 124 ten weeks on meds. Charlie has been awful. He has been anxious, wary of me, avoiding me like I have the plague, disinterested in anything around him, noise reactive and skitzy. So Sarah and I discussed it and she has increased his meds from 0.4ml daily to 0.5ml daily for one week, .06ml daily for one week and then up to .07 ml. She said I should notice fast improvement. He had his first upped dose on Tues and he was remarkable and wonderful and lovely old Charlie on Wed. Then on Thu morning when I got up he had reverted back to how he was before and has, so far, stayed that way although he has been slightly more sociable and curious today and has been chasing a butterfly whilst I have been tidying the garden. It is very depressing and upsetting to see him so miserable and unhappy. He will sit just hunched up with wide eyes and ears pricking constantly.

I took him to the vet on THu cos he looked a bit bloated and with him hunching up all the time I thought he might be uncomfortable or worse. Our usual vet Irene was off so we had a locum lady called Kim. She spent about five minutes really feeling round his tummy etc and pronounced him FAT. SO he has to have r/d which I have to start to introduce into his food over the next month. She has written down how much of each as he has to have some biccies in his puzzle feeder as part of his treatment plan.

So things not good really. Of course my anxiety levels are through the roof and I know this is probably part of the reason he doesn't feel comfortable around me, my adrenaline is constantly pumping. I have taken a beta blocker today which I haven't done for a long long time as they can make me dizzy but it is not good for either of us to constantly be surrounded by anxious feelings.
:hug:
I have had my MRI scan on Monday and will have my nerve diagnostics next Wed. Wish the news on the Charlie front was happier. I despair we will ever get this sorted out sometimes. I did ask Sarah if she was confident we could sort him and she said she is.

Hope everyone here is well.
Love xxxxx :hug: thanks for caring about us
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Post by: Wibblechick on May 23, 2009, 16:15:47 PM: Sending you and Charlie loads of :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on May 23, 2009, 16:20:47 PM: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and Charlie. He's so lucky to have a mummy like you xxx
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Post by: bonnielass on May 23, 2009, 16:24:51 PM: Oh dear Chrissie,im so sorry to hear Charlie has gone back 2 steps but this is probably down to your stress and anxiety, you are obviously worried about him and also your forthcoming hospital appointments but you really have to take control of your stress,the more stressed you become the more Charlie will pick up on it,i know it a vicious circle, and its easy for me to say but you have to try and stay calm even when hes having a skitz, i wish i could come up with an instant miracle for you both but all i can do is send some calming vibes for you and Charlie and hope that Sarah is right and that the increased meds help calm him and then you will not feel so anxious so harmony will once again reign and you will have the old Charlie back :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on May 23, 2009, 22:11:35 PM: Oh I'm so sorry Chrissie. You and Charlie need to be on a desert island and just chill :hug: :hug:

Unfortunately the reality is you both have to wait and let meds and tests run your life. I so wish I had a magic wand to sort you both out. Try amd keep your chin up and hopefully the weather is picking up which puts us all in a better mood.

Mary and Bonnie xx :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 24, 2009, 00:12:48 AM: I agree with the last two and think when you are sorted then Charlie will be....he is obviously a very sensitive boy and loves you so much he is worried about you :hug:
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Post by: maryas on November 21, 2009, 15:23:49 PM: Hi Chrissie not PMd you for a while cos of my mum being ill etc. ALSO thought everyone else might want to know how you and Charlie are getting on so I'm on the thread from a while ago.

Hope you are both doing ok and are you going to join in the Auction?

Mary :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on November 21, 2009, 15:27:58 PM: Would love to know how Charlie is getting on also! Hoping you are both fine! :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 21, 2009, 18:27:33 PM: I have been thinking aboput you and Charlie a lot recently and wondering how you and he are- hope for some news soon x