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Other Animal welfare issues & petitons => Other Animal Petitions & Welfare & News => Topic started by: alisonandarchie on September 14, 2012, 23:46:15 PM
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Forms have been sent out to farmers so it looks like the badger cull will be going ahead very soon.
I am just back from a protest meeting in the Gloucestershire cull area
It will be free shooting at night which is totally abhorant and will not kill many badgers outright who will die in agony.
Please help by signing this partition. :hug:
http://www.teambadger.org/
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Sickening. Signed :hug:
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Thank you Sheila :hug:
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signed
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Thank you Moira :hug:
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Signed :( :( :(
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:thanks:
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Signed :(
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Thank you Helen :hug:
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Hi Alison
I've signed it. I've signed quite a few petitions about the cull though and don't hold out much hope. I wish I lived closer to the cull areas so I could do more. Did they mention anything else we could do. I've also written to Sainsburys to ask them to stop supporting the cull. They sent me a really annoying reply, saying they were supporting the government as the cull is based on science. Everyone knows the cull is not based on science so it's a ridiculous reply. I'm going to have to start shopping in Coop as they seem to be the only supermarket that aren't supporting the cull at the moment.
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Wow, I cannot believe the reply you got from Sainsburys :shocked: >:( That's incredible as if they had bothered to read the science they would see that the science says just the opposite.
I will lets Gloucestershireagainstbadgershooting know what they said :hug:
I will let you know if there is anything else that can be done at the mo :hug:
Good for the Coop ;D
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Just sent an E to them :)
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Some sad news, time is running out :'(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19623931
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Just heard back from GABS who passed on their thanks to you. They are in the process of contacting supermarkets and some welfare groups have been naming and shaming.
Just broke for news night and they mentioned the supermarkets!
I ahve had an E from Glos against badger shooting outlining further things that can be done like letter writing, they have frameworks. If any one wants to pm me with their email add I will forward it :hug:
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:make difference: :'( :'(
Signed
Really hope this is stopped, there are other ways than this barbaric cruelty. There wont just be badgers hurt, in pain and murdered, fox, cats and others animals out at night will also be hit in the cross fire. Shooting at animals anytime is extremely bad but at night when targets are even harder to identify, is stupid. Plus I worry about ppl who have guns but not part of the group (farmers & exterminators) will decide its ok for them to go out at night hunting poor badgers for evil reasons, they certainly will hurt and murder all kinds of animals, some human maybe.
Plus in a few yrs the gov will grumble that badgers are then on the at risk list or even extinct from England.
>:( grrr
stupid nasty ppl, follow Wales' example and vaccinate, no one can say how big the badger populous is, when they've hit "70%", why on earth 70% anyway, that's a lot! 1is too many
Will they know when too much is too much? No they won't! And nasty ppl will carry on too far and lots of slow death will happen & not just from shooting badly bc the gov are saying its ok.
Plus the scientist they're quoting and using to justify the culling is against this action and wants it them to vaccinate - that says a lot :'( :(
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I was annoyed last night to see a pro-cull boffin spouting on about how humans are exposed to risk from badger TB - yes, they can be, but it's extremely rare for the vast majority of the population. I do feel for the farmers affected by bovine TB in their cattle, but I can't see why vaccination can't be more widely carried out. I agree - shooting animals is dangerous, and sends a message to all manner of weirdos that it's okay to go out with a gun, hunting.
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Thanks Fred :hug: I think it will hit home now they are mentioning just how many badger will be slaughtered in the cull :(
I was so pleased to see Simon King on Newsnight mentioning bio security at last.
Sue, that report made me cross too :hug: Vaccination and bio security has to be the way forward
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I was wondering about perhaps drugging each set individually then vaccinating the whole family together and microchipping them while they're under, then I realised a drugged badger may well go underground and a little one might take too much and be harmed.
It's so difficult to know how best to introduce the vaccination, but if the farmers can pay contractors to kill 70% of the badgers, why don't they just arm them with tranqs instead. I'm sure if accompanied by enough trained volunteers to administer a vaccination and relocate the stunned animal to a safe enclosure until it comes round would be at least humane, and the treated badgers could be marked with a permanent fluorescent dye that shows up under night vision binoculars/sights.
How about introducing vaccination guns? You shoot a dart containing not doping agents but the actual vaccine? No? The dart could also contain a phial of UV gel that would be night-visible, so identifying those treated. Again, No?
Alright, maybe some Channel 5 science needs to be employed, but if the public were given the chance to exercise this sort of pilot in the same way the farmers have been granted their TEST licence to kill, I'm sure we could make a real difference.
I hope no-one gets hurt, but we all know someone will. We also know they will cover up any horrific cruel injuries they inflict (and only come across in the cold light of day) and how many other wild and domestic animals they maim and destroy. :'(
Is there going to be (literally) a head count? Who is going to police this, and ensure they're not doing what the old ratcatchers of yesteryear were doing in falsifying numbers by re-using body parts to double their accounts. By doing this they would falsely inflate the numbers, get paid more, dupe the government into thinking there are far more badgers out there, and increase their chances of getting the bill passed as permanent law, and cement their contracts as pest controllers. :sneaky:
Sorry, but as an ex-auditor and fraud investigator I can see all sorts of loopholes here, none of which look good for the animals' welfare. >:(
By the way, while I was writing this (actually pounding it out on the keyboard) someone has sent me a rainbow. I think it's Teresa :)
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A Rainbow from Teresa? I do hope so :)
I think the same arguments apply to shooting badgers as to foxes - you have to be sure of a clean kill, and you can't be. If you simply wound an animal it may take an age for them to die. This whole thing just sounds lame as a reasoned argument. If that's "reasoned" then you may as well just let the badger baiters get on with it and give them a licence. >:(
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Signed
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Thank you All for your support :hug:
I think people are beginning to talk and ask questions which is brilliant.
The petition has over 50,000 signatures and once it is at 100,000 the Gov have to look at things again.
I think bisecurity, good farming practise and vaccination will be the way forward
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Anyone who hasn't signed please do and ask you friends. It's now up to nearly 92,000 so only 8,000 more and the government will have to debate the issue.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38257
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A bit late but have signed.............badgers are supposed to be protected!
In 2 days this is now standing at over 113k signatures..............and doesnt close until 2013.
I hope this doesnt mean that it wont be debated until then :(
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Thanks Gill, its not too late :hug:
I think Team Badger are hoping the debate will be before the cull starts. If not I think there may be outrage
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I do hope they push for this cos a growth in signatures in two days is enormous,
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It is brilliant and hope they push it too
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Jeremy Vine had the badger cull as his Sunday show on Radio 2 this weekend and mentioned the petition. He has a massive listener base so hopefully a few more will join yet. :shify:
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it got a mention on the bbc website as well
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Thats great the more publicity the better. Am sure many people still do not know
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I think the publicity has helped cos its gone up another 3000!
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Wow :wow:
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I've shared it on fb
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Signatures are now over the 100,000 mark - standing at 119,000 when I last checked.
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Wow, great news :wow:
Thanks Fred :hug:
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BBC news had an article on their website suggesting it may be stopped due to the high numbers of signatures - supposedly after a certain amount it needs debated in parliament. I'm on my phone so can't add the link but great development...not as good as it stopping though!
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it got a mention on the bbc website as well
Sorry I'm duplicating... Not sure if it was the same article but either way more publicity :-)
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Now standing at 122, 000 so this has really kick started and the more publicity the more signatures.
Hope fully this will be enough to stop the cull
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Interested to see when the Government are going to say something :shify:
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Stephen Fry just re-tweeted the petition link ;D
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That's good news he's not someone who usually stands up for animals.
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Simon King (One Show nature enthusiast) asked him to help out.
It's great that so many influential and credible celebrities are actually reading the science and seeing no sense in the current plans.
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Anotherr 6000 signatures since yesterday so all this publicity is great
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Great news ;D
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Just been on the news again five minutes ago - how dangerous badger TB is to humans, and how its driven many farmers to suicide. >:(
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I saw it too >:( No mention of the compensation those farmers got from the Crown for their loss, though.
I know TB is a terrible disease, and that the badgers also suffer once it takes hold, but these drastic culling measures cannot be measured so there could never be an adequate report on their effectiveness. Too much too early. They need to seal off an area and try a raft of measures over a period of years then measure the effectiveness under controlled conditions before they can even justify.
Somebody on the radio the other day said a badger TB vaccination was being researched that could be introduced orally in food. Oh but this would need substantial testing before it could be tried :-: :-: :-: >:(
Dual bloody standards. Give an idiot a gun, tell some lies about statistics then cover up the mess they leave behind. Sounds like politics to me. :shify:
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Are they saying farmers are driven to suicide because of the loss of income?
The pro cull representatives really don't seem to know what they are talking about. They always seem to mention that it's going to stop the badgers suffering. When most of the badger don't even have TB.
Don't they vaccinate people against TB.?
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Don't they vaccinate people against TB.?
Yes, and our jabs last a lifetime. The blurbs on the radio last week-end tried to say the badger vaccinations needed to be repeated every year. How much is true? So many contradictions must raise enough questions to push the cull back.
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We do feel sorry for farmers but.....
Why can't they act on the FACT that poor farming practise leads to TB. If they followed the advice given by Steve Jones, who has never had TB in all his years looking after herds, it would practically eliminate it :pull hair:
Glos Against Badger Shooting said today that Farmers are on the run and very worried so they are putting out pro cull posters and the likes on FB etc :(
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Hot off the press, I am so excited.
Forest of Dean council voted 30:1 against the cull on their land :narna dance:
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Thats brilliant, well done that Council.
I agree that the farmers need to start looking at their own practices cos science says that a cull would do little to improve the situation
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A breathing space or a U-turn?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9627264/Badger-cull-is-shelved-to-fury-from-farmers.html
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I note that the paer speaks about the petition and not that in the commones and on news it didnt and thought that over 100k signatures made this have to be rethought in the house.
Maybe they just didnt show that bit but the excuse is pityful, keep on signing the petition
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It feel like a small victory but think the pressure has to continue until its shelved completly
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Yeah - I noticed that too Gill - they said there were "too many badgers" and "badger numbers were higher than they thought to make it viable this year" and there wasn't a mention of the fact over 100,000 signatures had justified this matter for debate in parliament. Makes my blood boil. They could vaccinate, and whilst it would be ab ig job, surely not much more than the hassle of having to trap or shoot the badgers would be in any event?
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This made me feel a LOT better. :wow:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-vote-delivers-blow-to-controversial-badger-cull-plan-8226362.html
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Thanks for posting that Sheila - makes me feel a lot better too.
Sometimes I think we've never lost that urge to destroy, rather than to find ways to live in peaceful co-existence
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Thanks Sheila, that has brightened up my day ;D
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Thanks Sheila that is brilliant.
Amazing how that wasnt reported on the news unlike what was said the day before, renews my faith in the petition system and so sad that most of the public are unaware of how it all works.
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It is strange it was not on the news :shify: