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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: karenjet on May 18, 2007, 17:34:52 PM
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Earlier today Jasmine was attacked by a dog, that ran into my hall when I was bringing shopping in from a taxi. I hadn't even seen the dog, until I heard Jasmine squeal. The door was open, but she never goes outside now. It all happened in 2 seconds. I picked her up and cuddled her, thought she was fine, then she wanted off my lap. When I put her down I saw she wasn't moving her two back legs. Wrapped her in a towel and took her straight to the vet. He's not sure if it's her spine or pelvis but she has no feeling in her back legs. I had to leave her there. He just rang and said she now seems to be feeling pain in her legs, which isn't good. They're going to do x-rays tomorrow. If there's no improvement she will need to be put to sleep.
I am so devastated I don't know what to do. It's all my fault. Please everyone, please pray she'll be ok.
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It's not your fault! The dog shouldn't have been out on it's own to be able to attack poor Jasmine. I've got my fingers crossed for her 100%. Keep us updated.
*huge hugs*
If you want to chat I've got the chat room open in another window.
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Its not your fault and at least you got her to the vet and things don't looks so bleak.
it is a teribble shock for you and poor Jasmine
The Clan send healing purrs and hugs and want the address for the dog and the ferals will show it how to treat cats in future - references provided by Max the lab puppy up the hill as he now has a sliced face but doesn't chase our mob now! :hug:
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He's not sure if it's her spine or pelvis but she has no feeling in her back legs. I had to leave her there. He just rang and said she now seems to be feeling pain in her legs, which isn't good. They're going to do x-rays tomorrow. If there's no improvement she will need to be put to sleep.
I am so devastated I don't know what to do. It's all my fault. Please everyone, please pray she'll be ok.
As Lottie's said its not your fault, don't blame yourself. I'm no expert, but the fact that she's feeling pain in her legs, may be a good thing? at least that means she's got feeling in her legs now. My friend's cat had a broken pelvis, but it healed and he recovered. They had to keep him very still, which meant confining him, but he was fine.
Sending positive vibes and hugs to you and Jasmine :hug:
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Thanks. Things really do look bleak though, Liz. The vet said it's highly likely she'll be put to sleep tomorrow.
And it really is my fault. I should've closed the door, or closed Jasmine in another room. The owner was with the dog but it wasn't on a lead. He stood outside the garden and asked if the dog had killed her.
When the vet rang he said the pain in her legs is a bad sign.
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Oh Karen thats terrible, after all you have been through with her. :hug: :hug:
Im sure Lynn will be along soon to offer her thoughts.
I wouldnt be told that she will be put to sleep so soon, she can have pain killers whilst things are checked out. Sometimes vets can be so bleak, especially with nerve damage, time is a great healer.
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Poor Jasmine and poor you. I know the main thing is sorting Jasmine out but I would report it to the police and get a crime number. Dogs should not be off leads. The owner has a lot to answer for.
Please don't blame yourself Karen. You should be free to be in your own hallway in your own home without fear of a dog attacking.
I'm sure you read the posts from rosiesmum. Her cat rosie was savaged by 2 dogs recently and she is recovering well and had (I believe) 72 stitches.
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Oh my god, that is awful!! You poor thing, and poor little Jasmine :(
It was most definitely NOT your fault! The person responsible is the owner of the dog, which should have been on a lead if he cannot control it ... I would be furious if it were me and my cat, and would certainly start proceedings against him >:( It was YOUR house, you knew that Jasmine wouldn't go outside, therefore it was fine for you to leave the door open. You do NOT expect a dog to be allowed to run into your own house!
That apart, I am thinking of little Jasmine and hoping that she will pull through this horrible ordeal - big hugs to the both of you :hug:
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oh karen :hug: :hug:im so terribly sorry
i will pray for u and jasmine tonight and pray to god she will be ok :'( :'( :'( :'(
i dont know what else to say other than
poor little rosie was savaged by two staffs and her mummy has said she is doing great now and she had to have ops and over 80 stitches :'(
karen please dont blame ur self
our cats are all normally by the door when we come bk home from asda weekly shop and when oh is carrying all the shopping in our cats are in our hallway ,
have u rang the police ?
the owner will be in trouble for letting his dog run in someones private propety and attack there cat .
:hug: :hug: :hug: once again im so sorry and fingers crossed she will be ok in the end :hug:
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OMG thats awful......but not your fault!
Sending healing thought's your way :hug: hope everything turns out better :hug:
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Aww, Karen, I am so sorry to hear this, and fingers crossed it isnt as bleak as the vets think - I am with MM, I dont think it is long enough for them to see if she can recover. Will be thinking of her.
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i also agree with mm and des
a day isnt long enough to see if jasmine will recover
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oh karen, i'm thinking of you both, sending positive thoughts your way - it wasnt you fault in the slightest!!! :hug:
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BIG PRAYERS AND GET WELL WISHES FOR JASMINE AND A BIG HUG FOR YOU
It is by no means your fault at all :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
sending positive vibes for her and you too
xxxxxxxxxxx
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Karen i said a little pryer for her
when i spoke to you on chat i didnt know it was that bleak , it is your house and that dog should not have come in and the owner should not have stood there and watched
try to find out who it is and report them , it should have been on a lead ,
I know you are probably too upset at the moment thankgod it wasnt one of her kittens or they wouldnt have stood a chance.
If it was a responsible owner he will come back to check
love sasha x
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Oh Karen i dont know what to say.
Please dont let the vet give up too early on her, expore all avenues, see if she can be transferred to a specialest
Sending up a prayer that she makes a recovery.
Come on Jasmine - we all love you Sweetheart
Have also sent you a PM
(please report owner of dog to the police)
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Karen what an awful incident (freak incident) to happen.
I would NOT allow them to pts her in the immediate future and i cannot understand if she had no feeling to then feeling pain why the vet would think this a bad thing..it can only as far as i know be a good thing (tihnking of rta victims etc, havent had that sort of incident to deal with personally )
Do you know what treatment they have given her . I would have expected an iv drip to help combat shock and i'd have to go look it up but i am sure steriods can help in these sorts of cases (thinking out loud, off to dig out a book)
Fingers crossed she pulls through.
will report back later.
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My heart goes out to you both.
I too really would have thought that feeling in Jasmine's legs would be a good sign, not a bad one.
Thinking of you both.
xC
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Karen, I'm so sorry to hear your news but as others have said, don't let the vet rush you into a decision. Personally, I think the fact she is feeling pain is a good thing......if she wasn't feeling anything, I would be more worried. She could possibly have bruising of the spine which would cause her not to use her legs. I'm sending positive thoughts but don't give up hope, give her a few days and hopefully the use will come back. If in doubt, get a second opinion but from what you've said, I deffo wouldn't allow them to pts, her body needs to recover from the trauma and then another assessment done.
Take care hun, and thinking of you, xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I would have expected an iv drip to help combat shock and i'd have to go look it up but i am sure steriods can help in these sorts of cases (thinking out loud, off to dig out a book)
When Pingu lost the use of her legs, she was prescribed steroids so I would have thought this was the route to go.
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I am so very sorry Karen, this is terrible and that dog owner should be dealt with. Its definately not your fault.
I do hope the vet is wrong, I would have thought that feeling was better than no feeling and so much can be done for cats now.
Do you have her insured?
I am wishing for every thing to be better than the vet thinks tomorrow and my heart is with you, jasmine and the kittens :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I am so sorry but it is not your fault.
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I'm so sorry to hear about Jasmine, Karen :hug: As everyone has said, it's definitely not your fault. That dog should not have been off the lead and able to run into your house. You are not at fault. I hope the vet is just being overly cautious and that she does recover, although I imagine it might be slow progress with this kind of injury. I agree that I wouldn't be pushed into making a decision to pts, so long as she's not in pain and I assume she'll have been given morphine or something for the pain. When Magpie had his thrombosis in the neck (he didn't recover) I asked about whether he would be in pain and the vet said that he shouldn't be in actual pain as he'd been given lots of pain relief, although he was obviously distressed at being in a strange place. I hope the fact that she is feeling something in her legs is a good sign and not a bad one.
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karen cant he do the xray tonight
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Awww, Karen. That's so terrible. It really wasn't your fault - you don't expect a dog to dart past your legs into your house.
I'm sending huge fusses to Jasmine and hope something can be done to help her. :care:
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sorry cant find notes i was looking for (i have been packing stuff away)
can only find this at the mo
High-dose methylprednisolone (15 to 30 mg/kg), administered 45 minutes after severe contusion injury (400 gm-cm) to cat spinal cords, rapidly reverses the typical posttraumatic ischemia that occurs in spinal injuries. White matter blood flow improves despite the systemic hypotension associated with bolus intravenous injections of such massive corticosteroid doses. In addition, this treatment facilitates extracellular calcium ionic recovery in contused spinal cords, and salvages evoked potential activity that is lost in untreated cats. These data suggest that high-dose corticosteroid treatment causes local vasodilation of spinal cord blood vessels. The consequent blood flow increase may account for the beneficial effects of high-dose corticosteroid treatment on both functional recovery and histopathological appearance of injured spinal cords.
I know for sure we have used corticosteroids many hours after the injury not just within the hour.
Some spinal injuries can takes days to slowly show signs of improvement so please do not give up hope (unless the xrays show some thing very bad and obvious) Her pain can be controlled but please do not let your vet do something to soon.
lets us know what happens.
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He was planning to do the x-ray tonight, but something to do with swelling means it would be better left until the morning. All the treatment he mentioned was painkillers and anti-inflammatories.
I would love to report him, I'm trying to find out who the owner was at the minute. The thing is, he spoke with a Southern accent, which makes me think he's a member of a certain family who are not to be messed with. If it turns out that he is I'd be scared to report him because there would certainly be repercussions. I didn't even notice the dog, didn't know a thing until I heard Jasmine.
I can't work out for the life of me why the feeling in her legs is a bad thing. The vet was so negative. He mentioned putting her to sleep countless times.
How much do I wish one of you lived over here and could go to the vets with me. I'm so not an assertive type of person.
Thanks so much for the good wishes, everyone. They're so much appreciated :hug:
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What part of Ireland are you in Karen, I know someone who lives in Dublin if that's close to you?
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oh Karen hun :'( :'( :'( sending love and prayers for darlin Jas. What a total shock reading this. :'( :'( :'( :'( I pray she will be ok. This is soo upsetting, she has her babes to see grow up, she has to make it :'( :'( :'(
It def not your fault, she was in your own home and the dog attacked her there. It is the dog owners fault definitely for not having the dog on a lead and he can be prosecuted for it.
Love to you all. We are here for you and her hun
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Karen do you have any friends or family who will speak up for you more. dont be brow beaten hun, jasmine is YOUR cat and she is insured and you have the RIGHT to say what happens to her. The vet cant do anything without your permission...remember YOUR CAT YOUR MONEY !!!!
Perhaps she does have serious injury but i feel it is to early to say that just yet, unless of course the vet can feel something drastic such as a totally broken back or something but i'm sure if that was the case you'd have said so already.
Lets wait and see what tomorrow says and we must all pray the xrays dont reveal too much problems.
How are jasmines babys coping, thankfully they are old enough they should cope well on their own but i susect they will be wondering where their mum is :(
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Karen just caught up with this thread ... DO NOT blame yourself for this ... it was most definitely NOT your fault hun.
Like Lynn says the vet can't do anything without your permission so don't let them bully or pressure you into anything. If you are unsure of anything they are telling you ask them to write down everything then come back kon here and ask for advice ... as you know there are lenty of people on here who will be more then willing to help you out (even if it's only to help explain things).
Big hugs to you and sending lots of love and positive prayers to Jasmine :cuddle:
Foxy, Zephyr and Rossi are all sending lots of kitty kisses to Jasmine, you and the babies.
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Hi again Karen
I must say that vets at times have a terrible habit of just saying the worst case scenario and tearing our hearts to bits without giving us any hope ................as everyone has said we are all thinking of you and I'm sure Jasmine knows she is the luckiest little baby to have you as a mummy and the babies waiting for her at home
Get a second opinion if you really don't feel happy with what they are saying :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Your in no way to blame
take care
xxx
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Karen i'm soo worried about her. :'(
Hows meeko, daisy & Belle doing hun
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:'( :'( me chris and our moggies send u and jas all our love and hugs and we shall have u in our thoughts and prayers. please try not to blame urself . we wish all the best and hope tht jas will find strength frm all of us here to pull thru xxxx
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Just echoing what everyone else has said, don't blame yourself. It's not your fault. Don't give up on Jasmine, get a second opinion if necessary, at least you know the insurance will cover the cost of the vets.
Here's hoping tomorrow brings better news for you and Jasmine.
Karen
x
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I am so very sorry Karen, just read this. I can't imagine what you are going through.
Thinking of you :hug:
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How much do I wish one of you lived over here and could go to the vets with me. I'm so not an assertive type of person.
Karen you have GOT TO BE ASSERTIVE here Hunny. :hug:
You must find it from somewhere for Jasmines sake :hug:, dont let the vet do anything you dont want him to do.
If you are not happy with what the vet tells you tomorrow get a second opinion, dont be worried that you will afend him. As long as Jasime is being kept pain free (which isnt hard) you have time to get second opinions.
I cannot begine to imagine how you are feeling tonight but i hope it helps just a little bit for you to know that so many people care and are praying for Jasmine - if Love alone could heal her she would deff be better.
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I agree with Michelle, don't let the vets bully you......Jasmine is your babe and it's your money paying for her treatment, they have to follow your wishes and if need be, get a second opinion. We're all praying for you and we'll send you some cyber strength as well, :hug: , xxxxx
I've pm'd you my number, if you want to chat, you can contact me, xxxxxxxx
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Just thought about her babies :'(
As they prob still cuddle up to her at night put a teddy bear in for them tonight, just something to cuddle up to.
Also if Jasmine is going to be away for a few days you might need to supplement them with some kitten milk.
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I am gonna do my very best to be assertive. I don't want to let her down. I'm planning to write down what I want to ask before I ring, get a full picture of what's going on, then if they insist it's bad news I'll ring round other vets to see what they say.
I'm not near Dublin, unfortunately, well about 2 1/2 hour drive away. Thank you very much though.
The thing I just can't get my head round is how her having feeling back in her legs can possibly be a bad thing. It just makes zero sense to me. Now I'm thinking maybe I misheard with the state I was in but I'm 90% positive he said it was a "very bad sign"
Daisy, Belle and Meeko are ok, they are looking for her though. I can hardly look at them without bursting into tears.
The vet mentioned nothing about a broken back, he said it could be spinal or pelvic injury, so it's possible I suppose. It was just how negative he was that's getting to me. There was no "if it's x, then we could do y or z" he just jumped straight into the pts thing.
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If she has a spinal or pelvic injury, time is usually a great healer........2 cats I had in had no use of their back legs and the causes were unknown but after some tlc and cage rest, both were fine. Fingers crossed for her, xxxxxxxxxx
I would go into the vets and talk to them face to face, rather than on the phone.
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try not to let the vet bully you......its very hard when you are feeling so emotional, hard enough at the best of times.
Good luck tomorrow, thinking of you and Jasmine :hug: :hug:
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My vet advised PTS with my Issey but i said i wanted to try everything and so he referred her to a specialist, thank God i pushed as she is still here to tell the tail.
xxx
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It this the vets near to you hun? I know it's difficult for you as the other vet is miles away and you don't drive but yes see what the vet says then ring round others if he is insisting pts. Get all the info you can hun.
Love and prayers will be with you both :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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So sorry to hear this Karen, what a freak accident.
You really must try to be assertice with your Vet.
I have very good, friendly relations in Birr, County Offally - how far is that from Galway?
Sending positive vibes :hug:
Please keep us informed
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I so sorry this has happen, Karen. Stay strong for her.
From my understanding, your vet if definitely WRONG to pts so soon. The longer she's alive, the more she'll heal.
Feeling pain in the back legs must indicate no severe spinal damage, otherwise her back legs would be numb and paralysed. I wonder whether she has broken her legs, or damaged her pelvis. Both of these CAN be treated successfully.
Unless she has serious internal damage, she should get through this.
The main thing is to give her time. Don't let the vet pts.
Unfortunately some vets are less willing to try hard for cats than they are for dogs. He may be that type. Insist that he gives her longer, at least a couple of weeks, maybe longer than that. This will provide more chance to assess her condition and for her to fight back, and fight she will, she knows she has kittens.
I don't like the sound of your vet, and if it was possible, I'd consult someone else. Moving her may not be wise, but this guy doesn't seem willing to put himself out for her. Any chance of another vet? Even if you have to take her by taxi and incur enormous costs, she's insured, so you know the vet fees will be paid.
It's hard at such an upsetting time, but FIGHT for her. Don't be bullied.
Sending you positive vibes and best wishes.
:Flowers:
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I rang them. She had no improvement through the night. He said she's lost the feeling in her legs again, and he thinks it's spinal damage. If so, there's nothing can be done. Is this true?
I've rang round other vets but I either can't get anyone, or the one I spoke to said she would have no feeling in her legs ever again, and she'd be completely incontinent.
Is all they've said true? Please help me.
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Right, the vet just rang. She has "reasonable feeling" in one of her legs, and some in the other. So he said that's an improvement. He wants her kept in to be monitored for a few days. They also need to see if she can go to the toilet, as some spinal damage can leave them unable to do that. She hasn't been given any x-rays, as he doesn't think it's bone damage, and nerves and spinal problems wouldn't show up on an x-ray. Plus it would mean putting her under anaesthesia. So please, keep fingers tight crossed everyone. My wee lady's improved at least a little bit.
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I rang them. She had no improvement through the night. He said she's lost the feeling in her legs again, and he thinks it's spinal damage. If so, there's nothing can be done. Is this true?
I've rang round other vets but I either can't get anyone, or the one I spoke to said she would have no feeling in her legs ever again, and she'd be completely incontinent.
Is all they've said true? Please help me.
What are are you in Karen maybe someone might be able to help on here.....damn it being the weekend
I would also make them let her rest, there are many a person told they will never walk again and also vets Im sure.... she is a little fighter :hug: :hug: :hug:
Take care sweetheart
xx
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a little improvement is a good sign hun
im keeping everything crossed for u both :hug:
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Right, the vet just rang. She has "reasonable feeling" in one of her legs, and some in the other. So he said that's an improvement. He wants her kept in to be monitored for a few days. They also need to see if she can go to the toilet, as some spinal damage can leave them unable to do that. She hasn't been given any x-rays, as he doesn't think it's bone damage, and nerves and spinal problems wouldn't show up on an x-ray. Plus it would mean putting her under anaesthesia. So please, keep fingers tight crossed everyone. My wee lady's improved at least a little bit.
NOW THATS FANTASTIC...........................IM SO PLEASED FOR YOU. LETS HOPE WITH A FEW DAYS REST THAT SHE CAN STICK HER PAWS UP TO THEM AND PROVE THEM WRONG. ARE YOU ABLE TO VISIT HER
BIG HUGS TO YOU MY PURS FRIEND
AND CYBER KISSES TO JASMINE :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
XXXXXXXXX
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Glad to hear there is some improvement......surely more will tell with the coming days....all is not lost sweetie ;)
Wishing you both all the best :hug:
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My wee lady's improved at least a little bit.
Wonderful news, We had over the years taken in a few cats who have gone what Jasmine has, some have seemed like it was almost impossible to win the battle of life. I cannot recall one that did not. ;D
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Karen
I am so sorry to hear what has happened, I have only just come accross your post.
I am Rosie's Mum, my cat was savaged 4 weeks ago by 2 dogs that were left unsupervised. She had major crush injuries to her head and her stomach was ripped and needed in excess of 70 stitches.
It was touch and go but she will make a full recovery - cats heal very very quickly. If you have doubts about your vet, I would definately suggest getting a second opnion. I say this as I was told that Rosie would need a secon operation, her injuries would be very difficult to deal with etc - this was from my locum vet who saw Rosie one weekend as I was worried about her.
On the Monday I took Rosie to see my regular vet with the view to having her PTS, who told me the opposite. He refused to PTS as he said she was strong and wanted a fighting chance for her. The improvemnet in her was amazing, she has her stitches removed yesterday and is well on the road to recovery so much so that I don't need to taker her back now for any treatment unless I have any concerns for her.
If you need a chat, pm me, there are ways and means to get the dogs owners details. The Police will not get involved but your local dog warden can issue a verbal warning as it is illegal for a dog to be off a lead in a public place.
I have EVERYTHING crossed for you xxxxxx
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Have only just caught up with this thread - I'm crossing everything for you both and sending healing vibes. Jasmine is obviously going to put up a fight and is lucky to have such a caring and strong owner.
x
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I'm glad to hear there's some improvement. Keeping everything crossed she continues to improve. Don't let your vet push you into any hasty decisions. So long as Jasmine isn't in pain it's your call if and when to pts.
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"Some improvment" is brilliant :hug:
Karen do you have a proper Vet hospital or training college anywhere near you ?
Not saying that your vet isnt doing his best but they would have more equiment and highly trained specialists.
How are the babies doing ?
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http://www.vci.ie/index.cfm/loc/1
(+353 (0)1 668 4402
Dont know if this is any help, wondered if they can tell you were the nearest Registered Veterinary Hospital is ?
They dont open again till 10am monday morning
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Have sent you a PM
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Thanks, Michelle. I replied to your PM. Like I said, I've been on the phone to the nearest Veterinary hospital. They said if it's spinal damage there really isn't anything they can do, cos she'd be left paralysed and completely incontinent.
I feel so much better already though. The vet sounding positive has given me a good feeling. I know she's by no means okay yet, but I feel more optimistic than I have done.
The babies are eating and playing away, although they're still looking for her. Daisy's lying sunning herself at the window beside me at the moment.
So glad Rosie's okay, Rosie'smum.
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If she was going to be paralysed and incontinent she would have no feeling at all in her back legs, it would be a bit like a human having had an epidural. She feels pain, which indicates that her spinal column is intact, though she's maybe bruised the vertebrae. You really need one of the VN's on the site to help you with this.
IF, in the worse scenario, she does have severe spinal damage, this isn't necessarily terminal. Some dogs who have lost the use of their back legs get around on trolleys, and she could wear nappies. But from what you've said, it won't come to this.
Personally, I think she'll recover, eventually. I don't want to get your hopes up too much, but it's best to stay positive. The only real danger, in my opinion, would be if she has damage to her internal organs and heamorrages (sp?). Maybe your vet is just preparing you for the worst, but don't be bullied by him.
Samantha and Polly send their best wishes and purrs. :cuddle:
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she could be faecally and or urinary incontinent even with feeling in her legs so only a few days monitoring will give any indication of that.
Your vet doesnt seem to "pro active" to be honest and whilst x rays will not show up nerve damage they would show up any spinal damage that may be contributing or causeing nerve damage.
A veterinary university/hospital or orthopaedic specialist would definately be something to look into and seek 2nd opinions.
I do not want to give off vibes of no hope neither do i want to give false hope. Time is going to be a big factor here and i'd also try and either see if you can go and spend time with her there, or atleast find out how much time a nurse is spending...cats will respond much better and heal with tlc not being left in a kennel on their own. Or perhaps next week even if she hasnt full use of legs you could ask about the chances of getting her home for a couple of days in a cage to nurse and see if that makes any odds. (providing you'd be there to tend her of course)
fingers crossed things will be brighter on monday morning
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Glad to hear there has been some improvement .... hopefully she is just battered and bruised and one the swelling goes down she will start to become more mobile.
I agree with Lynn I would try and push for an Xray as this will show if there are any broken bones.
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I really hope things improve over the next few days and shes alright
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love
Tab
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Hope she improves steadily! XXX
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I have everything crossed here too.
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I did ask about the x-rays, but he said if it was spinal damage it wouldn't show up, and it would be best not to have to put her under anaesthetic at this stage. He sounded sooooo much more pro-active this morning when he rang than he did an hour before.
I've rang the only vet hospital I could find, and they said the same. If it was spinal damage then it's hopeless.
I really hope she can pee for them, the vet said he wasn't worried too much about that bit yet, as shock can cause them to hold it in for a long time. Which I know is true of Jasmine, cos after she had the caesarean to have Daisy, it was about 36 hours after I brought her home before she used the litter tray.
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I'm so sorry to hear what's happened to poor little Jasmine, I am keeping absolutely everything crossed that she can pull through this :hug:
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I really hope she can pee for them, the vet said he wasn't worried too much about that bit yet, as shock can cause them to hold it in for a long time. Which I know is true of Jasmine, cos after she had the caesarean to have Daisy, it was about 36 hours after I brought her home before she used the litter tray.
Make sure they know that about Jasmine, Karen...
xC
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Oh Karen!
So sorry to hear about Jasmine,
Keeping everything crossed and sending healing toughts from me and my girls
ems
xxxxxxx
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Am glad to hear there has been some improvement, fingers crossed she continues to improve.
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I am so pleased that things look a little better - have been thinking about you, Jasmine and the kittens all day. Have you been able to visit ?
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Just caught up with this thread :(
I was so shocked, you must be so stressed out Karen :hug:
Things seem to be looking up though so please take care of yourself and Jasmines babies
Praying for her to pull through, sounds like she's a wee fighter though :)
xxx
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Only just seen this thread! Sending lots of healing vibes for Jasmine :hug: to you!
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I am pleased that she seems to have feeling in her legs and like the others think its very important you are able to visit her.
I think you need to insist that you visit her everyday and spend time with her.
Take with you a shirt that you have worn and not washed so she can snuggle with it, believe me visiting helps cats but not dogs.
I do hope the collective good vibes from all of us help her to improve more :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Any news Karen? How are you holding up? Remember that we're all thinking of you. :hug:
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I just do not know what to do :'(
Rang the vets earlier this morning and they just could not seem to care less. I asked how she was, and this girl said that her husband had been in earlier and she must be ok cos he'd have said if she wasn't. I asked if there was any more word on the feeling in her legs, she didn't have a clue. I asked if she'd been to the toilet yet, again, clueless, said he doesn't tell me things like that - and laughed.
I asked if I could come and visit her, and she said sometimes people ask to visit their animals but it's not really possible "Someone would have to go and open the building, and it's not good for the animal because it distresses them" were her words. So I was shocked and said yeah but someone is always in the building, aren't they? "no, no, no, someone pops in periodically but there's no-one there all the time. It's a veterinary practice, not a hospital" I said but surely someone needs to be there in case of emergency, and she just said the someone pops in bit again.
Then she laughed again and said "you're breaking your heart over this cat, are you?" As if it was all a big joke, and I snapped at her and said yes, of course I am. I'm worried sick about her and I miss her. She just said mhmm, mhmm.
So it was left that I need to ring back around 9.30 tomorrow morning. I'm just disgusted with her whole attitude, still shaking cos I'm so angry. Surely that's not how vets normally work, someone should always be over there? There are no veterinary hospitals within 50 miles to me. I don't know what to do, and now I'm much more worried than I was before. Her whole attitude was that she couldn't care less.
:'( :'(
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Karen
I am disgusted with the way you are being treated. I would demand a call from the Vet himself. If animals are there, surely there must be someone there incase of an Emergency??
I would keep calling until you have a satifactory result!! Her attitude is disgusting! Tell her you will be there in 1 hour and you expect someone to be there.
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OMG her atitude sounds awful >:(
surely they could let u visit her
from my expirences someone is always there with the animals that have had to stay in ,
and even at the pdsa where my mum goes to they have a room with a bed and chair in for the person who stays over night with the animals .
is this woman just someone who pops in over the weekend ? hopefully when u phone tommorow u will get to speak to someone with a half decent atitude :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
i agree with what rosiesmum has said .
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That is incredibly shocking, and as well as looking into a new vet I would be complaining to the equivalent of our RCVS. Not all vets have someone there 24 hours, mine doesn't, so they can only keep certain cases overnight (Pebbles did after her leg amputation, although I kicked off at that) - anything that needs more checking than that has to go to the out of hours vet - I wonder if the rules are different in Ireland. Such a shame you had to deal with an idiot, can you not ask to speak to the vet directly?
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Awww, Karen. I'm so sorry these people are such insensitive idiots.
There aren't any other vets close enough for you to transfer her are there? I mean, the practice I take my cats to are a bit more "matter of fact" than I'd like, but they've never laughed at me (or my partner) in a distressed state. That's unprofessional and just plain wrong.
I hope Jasmine improves very soon.
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Karen i really feel you should get her tranferred to somewhere else.
Is there anyone that can drive you and her to another vets or hospital ?
The whole practice seems to be very much of the "dont care opinion" (including the vet mentioning pts within the first few hours!!)
One thing i do agree with is that sometimes it does actually stress the animal more to have visits from owners but of course all animals are different.
Karen, We are all thinking of you and i actually think you need more of a hug than Jasmine does at the moment
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That's disgusting, Karen. My vets have someone there 24 hours a day for pets kept in, but it is a referral practice so probably counts as a hospital. They have to have a vet on duty so I'd ring back and ask to speak to the vet. If they say no insist - your cat is seriously ill and you're entitled to discuss how she is today with the vet so don't take no for an answer. Ask the vet when he last saw her and whether there was any change. There must be someone going in to check up on the animals so I'd have thought you could visit then. I'd also complain to the practice owner about the way you've been treated.
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As shocking as it is, its not normal to have someone there all the time at a vets. I didn't realise this until I moved next door to one. Someone comes by around 10 or 11pm and that's it til about 7am - I would never allow mine to stay overnight other than in a vet hospital. I think its disgusting that she laughed at you. She is in the wrong job. She should be sacked.
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MArk, thats the way mine work, so they can only keep certain cases in. I didn't know that until after they had done PEbbles op so I had no chance, but let the vet know I wasn't happy about it!!
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She is in the wrong job. She should be sacked.
I tend to agree entirely with this sentiment. I would've thought compassion was a must for someone in that line of work. She should be ashamed of herself.
((hugs)) to Karen, Jasmine and the young 'uns.
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But you see the thing is, something tells me she wasn't a veterinary nurse, she was just the vets wife. She really didn't seem to have a clue what she was talking about, and said her husband was on farm calls.
I'm a bit scared to be too forceful or whatever with them, cos I have a feeling in might reflect in their treatment of Jasmine.
I could get a taxi to the other vets, but I wouldn't have anyone to take me to a vet hospital. Would it be a good idea to move her anyway? It might do her harm to leave her.
It's all a mess, dunno what to do.
The babies are doing great, eating well and they were on the cat tree this morning. I even got my first purrs from Daisy last night, the other 2 purr away but that was her first. All three slept in my bed last night.
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NEver be scared to be forceful with them, I would certainly check out the other vets for the future though.
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MArk, thats the way mine work, so they can only keep certain cases in. I didn't know that until after they had done PEbbles op so I had no chance, but let the vet know I wasn't happy about it!!
Unless it was dangerous to move them, I would rather them home with me than left alone in the dark (our vets turn the lights out).
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Karen, I know what you mean. I worry about "transference" of a dislike for me onto my animals by a vet. But I think saying how you feel is the only thing you can do.
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That's what i told my vet - she said that there was no difference, and I said there was as I sleep on teh floor next to them, so she wouldnt have been alone, but she couldnt have been moved that night, she did come home the day after though, and I duly slept on the floor, which I got no thanks for at all!!
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Good morning Karen,
So sorry about the awful time that you are having at the moment. I agree that it probably sounds like the Vet's wife that you were talking too and so there is no chance of sacking her.
I understand the geography of your location and how difficult it is to change Vets, with the only hospital being in Dublin that is going to be extremely difficult for you.
I agree entirely with Mark but hindsight is a wonderful thing. It sounds as though the amount of "nursing" Jasmine is getting is negligible and it might have been better if she had stayed with you over the weekend rather than at the Vets.
If Ela is still online I think we could really use some advice on this one.
Dont forget Karen you have my number if you would like to call for a chat.
I am thinking of you :hug: good luck.
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Oh Karen, you don't need this on top of everything else.
I think it is important to make your feelings known - you can do it without being rude yourself - otherwise the vet's wife might not even realise how insensitive she was being. And if she does realise, she should certainly be told to be a bit more thoughtful in future.
I know how hard it is to be assertive at times like this, though. Thinking of you and Jasmine.
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I agree with what everyone has said about the way you have been treated. I'd like to add that the vet (and yourself, in your anxiety) seem to have forgotten that Jasmine is YOUR cat, you have the right to say how she should be treated.
It may be wise to either move her to another vet, or bring her home. She's close to you, having had her kittens with your help, and I would guess she's the type of cat who would appreciate some tlc from her 'owner'.
Going to a more distant vet will cost you more, but at least you know that the vet fees are covered, so you only have the travel expense to consider - and the welfare of Jasmine.
Your vet seems very unprofessional and to have little empathy with the animals he treats. I'd "sack" him and find someone else who will treat Jasmine with the care she deserves, and give you the respect owed to you as her loving mum.
When I contrast the way you've been treated with the sympathetic attitude of my own vet practise, which is an inner city practise, I wonder if your vet sees domestic pets as a nuisance, prefering to treat large animals (cows, sheep etc).
Jasmine's best chance of survival is another vet; but if these are her last days, would you want her to spend them like this?
Sending strength to you. :boxer:
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I agree entirely with Mark but hindsight is a wonderful thing. It sounds as though the amount of "nursing" Jasmine is getting is negligible and it might have been better if she had stayed with you over the weekend rather than at the Vets.
The little one will I think be better off where she is until tomorrow anyway, when the full implications can be discussed with the vet. At least it seems that a vet is calling in and perhaps giving much needed pain relief which may be a little more difficult at home. If tomorrow you are not happy with what you are told I personally would ask another vet for a second opinion. At least then you will know you have done everything possible.
There are many vet practices that do not have vets in attendance 24/7. It is a practice accepted in the veterinary world. Obviously if it was thought a a pet needed constant supervision a vet would remain in attendance.
I think it is important to make your feelings known - you can do it without being rude yourself - otherwise the vet's wife might not even realise how insensitive she was being. And if she does realise, she should certainly be told to be a bit more thoughtful in future.
I agree 100% with the comments. Hopefully she will the learn a valuable lesson.
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If you can get your vet to agree she needs transferring then the insurance may pay your travel. Im sure i read in my M&S booklet that they pay "reasonable transport costs if your vet refers you to another place"
I know you have less vets in ireland which makes it difficult, in my town alone we have 6.
I would kick up a fuss at the phonecall you had, the custom you have brought their way and they treat you like that >:( I would have lost it if i was spoken to like that.
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I agree with the others, wait and see what your vet has to say tomorrow
then i would ask if she could be moved to a hospital saying its not because you feel he has done anything wrong but because you want to try everything possible to save her.
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Yeah, I'll see what they say tomorrow and see from there. I'm not gonna phone them, I'll go there myself with my list of questions, and ask to see her.
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I'm not gonna phone them, I'll go there myself with my list of questions, and ask to see her.
Give her a BIG KISS from me X
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Fingers crossed tomorrow brings better news *hugs* Make sure to give her a gentle stroke from me. xxx
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Yeah, I'll see what they say tomorrow and see from there. I'm not gonna phone them, I'll go there myself with my list of questions, and ask to see her.
thats a fab idea hun
you have every right to see ur babe and ask all the questions u want
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Thank you.
I've been trying to think of what I want to ask, but my head is completely away with the fairies. So much so that I set my mind to cleaning the house today, was writing my to-do list and wrote 'bleach the kittens' instead of kitchen :-:
All I've got so far is what exactly is the matter with her, how have they ruled out a pelvic injury....um, and that's it. Are there other things I need to ask? I can't think straight.
I'm kinda dreading seeing her in one way, cos it'll break my heart to have to leave her :'(
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Karen its not your fault, things happen and dogs have no civilisation in them. I'm sending hopes and pryares she will get better and you can both be happy again. I think it would be good if you could see her as it will give her comfort and hope knowing your still there for her, have the vets said you cant see her?
What has the vets said about her condition and maybe be able to give you some ideas.
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Thanks, CC. They haven't really said what's the matter cos they don't seem to know. Spinal damage most likely.
Well, the vet's wife said I couldn't see her this morning, but we'll see once I go there tomorrow.
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karen dont feel lke you shouldnt ask questions , because vets know what they are looking for and what they are going to do next in situations i think they assume you do too , or they think they wont baffell you with the details ,
i had this out with my vet and he agreed but i am a, need to know person from the wost sinareo to the best
go to the vets in the morn tell him you have come to see her , Dont ask ( shes your cat and your paying )
Go through how she has been
What is happening next and tell him when you will be ringing and visiting and when he has to ring you
Be firm and give her a cuddle and let her know your there for her
Best of luck tomorr
love sasha
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Thanks, CC. They haven't really said what's the matter cos they don't seem to know. Spinal damage most likely.
Well, the vet's wife said I couldn't see her this morning, but we'll see once I go there tomorrow.
Things i would want to know :
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Spinal damage most likely -
How do they know this ?
What tests could be done to establish this ?
Are they different degrees of damage?
Is they any chance of improvement if it is spinal damage?
Are they keeping her pain free ?
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Have they done xrays? (sorry have just noticed this topic :shy:)
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That's great, Sasha and Michelle. Will add all those things to my list.
They haven't done x-rays, cc, they planned to but then first he said she was swelling up so they wouldn't get good x-rays, and yesterday he said he doesn't think it's bone damage, spinal problems wont show on an x-ray, and she could do without being put under anaesthesia at this stage.
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Been having a mini heart attack for the last half hour. Had a missed call on my mobile when I was putting the kids to bed, from the vets. Rang the vet number and got his wife - again, and said that would've been her husband calling from the practise.
To cut a long story short, there's been no improvement since yesterday, apparently, and I'm to ring back tomorrow. That can't be good :'(
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Karen hang in there honey. I know its easier said than done though. I have no idea what you must be going through at this moment so all I can offer is reassurance that we are all here for you, some have given you their numbers if you just need to talk (you have mine now too).
Be strong and make sure you stick to your guns tomorrow with the vet and insist on what YOU want done.
:hug: and kiss for Jasmine and all the babies
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The best of luck to you and Jasmine tomorrow Karen - I can't think of anything to add to everyone else's (good) suggestions - just stay strong and don't let the vet bully you. I know how hard it is tho hun, as I'm just the same as you :S Find your voice (and that's Jasmine's voice too) deep down inside and don't agree to ANYTHING that you are not sure about. My thought are with you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Just caught up with this thread. Sending loads of positive vibes to you both and wishing you all the best, big hugs :hug:
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Hope she can recover and you get some rest Karen, stop worrying its not going to change anything just make you ill.
Sending all of my luck and thoughts to you tonight x
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Sending both of you lots of love and special kisses and thought tomorrow
prayers for you tonight too :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Hi Karen, you must be in despair and I am just reading this. Reminds me of when the kittens were having a problem.
I think you need , if its possible, a vet that specializes with small animals rather than farm animals cos we have that problem here.
I now travel 50miles round trip to see the right kind of vet.
I know that you have a vet very close and there are others further away, is it possible to contact the other vets and see what care they will provide for Jasmine and also what visiting you would be allowed.
Cats are not usually distressed by visits from thier owners and it actually helps them, with dogs the opposite is the case. I am worried as I am sure you are, what care Jasmine is getting and what effect in terms of stress this is causing her. I would dump this vet asap and get Jasmine to somewhere where she is going to get the care and attention she needs right now, even if it was to get her to a hospital a long way away, but knowing they would look after her 24/7 with the right attitude and give her a chance.
My heart is with you and my thoughts are with Jasmine, you and the kittens :hug: :hug:
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Good luck for today - thinking of you.
Be assertive!!
Re: the phone call last night - if it was anything urgent, he would have called again.
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Good luck today Karen and fingers crossed Jasmine is more comfortable. :ahh:
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Are they keeping her pain free ?
They must be as that is the law.
To cut a long story short, there's been no improvement since yesterday,
I am so sorry, please remember that these type of injuries do often take time. my thoughts are with you as indeed I am sure will all the members thoughts be too.
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figners crossed for some good news today karen :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I'm gonna go over there about 10, and I'm absolutely terrified. I'll post as soon as I can after and tell you all about it.
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"Good Luck" to you and Jasmine......hoping and praying all is okay :hug:
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Good luck, Karen. I hope Jasmine is doing well today and that the vet is helpful. If you're not sure she's getting the care she deserves where she is don't be worried about asking for a second opinion or suggesting to the vet that she may be better off at an animal hospital or at home with you. :hug:
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Thinking about you karen :hug:
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I havent stopped thinking about you both since I woke up.................. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Mee tooo sending all our love and prayers today hun :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Karen all fingers and paws crossed here for you and Jasmine :hug:
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Well, got back about half an hour ago. She now has more feeling in her legs than she did on Saturday. She's poo'ed and peed in the littertray. She's eating as normal. I must say the vet was really helpful this morning.
I asked all my questions, at least I think/hope I did. I asked what exactly was wrong with her, and he said spinal damage. I asked how did they know this and he told me just by examination. Asked what was being done for her, he said she was being closely monitored (to which I felt like saying 'well she bluddy wasn't yesterday! :censored: ' )
And that she's being given anti-inflammatory injections, which they try to limit as much as possible as there are side effects.
Asked if she was in any pain, and he assured me she's not. I asked him in his professional opinion what he thought of her chances, and he said you still couldn't say at this stage - but they need to say that, don't they?
But I said surely the progress she's made already, and the fact that she isn't incontinent must be very good signs, and he said they were.
I asked how long would it take a cat - if they are to - recover from these kinds of injuries, and he said it's hard to say, but it could be a week to a fortnight.
Then I just said I wanted to see her, and he said that was fine, he'd bring her to me. Brought her into the room and of course I cried straight away. Aside from her back legs no-one would know there was anything wrong with her. She was delighted to see me and purred as soon as I touched her. Rubbed her little head all over me and snuggled right up :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
He said he'd go and leave her with me for a little while, and he did for about 15 minutes. I gave her a good firm talking to, told her that I miss her, her babies miss her, and everybody's praying for her to get better, so she'd better hurry up and get well. I told her how much I love her and gave her lots of kisses, and snuggled her.
The vet came back in and we talked a bit more. I told him all about her and how much she's been through already. And I told him I've got a very good feeling now she'll get better. He gave me the usual don't be too complacent thing, but I really do have a good feeling about it now. What do you think?
It was soooo good to see her, but I hated to have to leave her there :'(
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Karen i think this is all brilliant news.
I just know she is gonna make it
cant type more cant see :'( :'( tears of joy
post again in min
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awwww karen im sp pleased u got to see her for a bit :Luv:
i think its a very good sign shes pee`d pooh`ed and has eaten food
awwww u must be feeling a bit better now hun :hug: :hug: :hug:
hopefully soon u will be able to have her home even if it means she has to have compleate cage rest for a bit :hug:
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Oh Karen! I have tears in my eyes! I am so glad Jasmine appears to be on the mend - that is such good news! I've been watching out for your post this morning and opened it with trepidation, and was so happy to see that things are looking up! Big big hugs to both you and Jasmine, and I hope you take her home soon :)
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That sounds really encouraging, Karen ;D Esp the using the litter tray. I'm glad the vet seemed more friendly and helpful today. Did the vet say how long he thought she'd have to stay there for? And are you able to visit her regularly? It sounds like she was really pleased to see you. Fingers crossed she goes from strength to strength now :hug:
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Go Jasmine! :) She's such a little fighter, isn't she?!
I'm so pleased things look more positive for her. Hopefully, she'll go from strength to strength and be back to her usual self very soon.
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This is very optimistic news Karen. Big hugs honey. Xxx
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Karen thats the best news thats she using the litter tray, ours in that situation has been 4 days and then only in a soil tray.
Keeping all positive thoughts for you both and it doesn't matter how long it takes to recover as long as she does and that she comes home to her Mum!
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Thanks, everyone :Luv:
I do feel much better. As soon as I came out of the vets I came over really hungry, I haven't been able to eat really since Friday, so the appetite returning is a sure sign I'm feeling better.
I dunno why but I'm sure seeing me will have done her some good, spur her on in some way, I think :Luv:
He didn't say how long she'd be there, just the bit about a week to a fortnight he'd expect her to recover. I didn't ask if I could visit regularly, but now when I want to I'll just go over and say I want to see her.
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What do you think?
The signs seem very encouraging.
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Great news Karen, She's over the worst of it so its wait & see now. Glad you got to see her - she knows she's not been abandoned :Luv:
I hope your insurance is good! :-:
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Karen that is wonderful ;D
As she used her tray, did she walk to it herself?
Im so pleased to hear the improvement
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Yeah, she got to it herself. Even the few minutes when I put her down after it happened, she moved quite a bit trailing her back legs behind her.
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That's fantastic news! I am sooo pleased for you and Jasmine! ;D ;D
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That sounds so much more promising - I'm delighted to hear about the litter tray ;D. Well done Jasmine, and well done you for your good work with the vet.
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Absolutely fantastic news!!!! I am so pleased for you and Jasmine. Big hugs and kisses to you both! :yesss: :yesss: :yesss: :ahh:
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I am Composed now :rofl:
The fact Jasmine has used litter tray is fantasic, hopefully she will get the use of her legs back soon.
But even if she didnt it isnt going to matter that much as she is managing to pull herself around
Something i did wonder though, would it be a good idea to take the kittens with you next time ?
She has been away from them for a few days and sometimes that is long enough to break the bond
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It is feeling much better.
Meanwhile, we'll have an update on her babies. Came home from the vet's and found Daisy and Belle fast asleep on top of my ironing basket...
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w70/alilbirdiesaid/21052007385.jpg)
And then they were on the cat tree...
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w70/alilbirdiesaid/20052007381.jpg)
Meeko was asleep on my pillow where I'd left him this morning. I need a good pic of him to show you all soon, he has the most adorable little face.
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Glad to hear she's starting to improve. :)
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Asked if she was in any pain, and he assured me she's not.
In this case, he isn't doing much for her, just monitoring her, which you could do at home, if you can confine her in a large carrying cage or kittening pen (you may be able to borrow one, the rescue members on here could tell you more about this).
Is she an easy cat to give meds to? If so, you can give her the medication (probably steroids) and pain relief yourself, if you're not working and have the time. She'll heal faster with you.
Insist that he x-ray her legs. They sound broken. If they are, she'll need to have them pinned. The sensation in them, and the fact that she's moving, pooping and widdling, are good signs in regard to her spine. I think the VN's would agree. She certainly seems on the mend.
Because of the close relationship she has with you and her kittens, she's likely to heal faster at home, with trips to the vets for treatment, such as the bone-pinning (if they're broken).
Being an old cynic, I'm wondering if the vet has a financial interest in keeping her in. But that could just be the way my mind works.
Love to you and Jasmine and Kittens :hug:
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I totally agree with you HippyKitty about nursing Jasmine at home. I honestly believe that she would be better at home. My vet gave me Metacam for pain relief with Rosie and it did wonders for her. If Jasmine is not in pain, then she obvioulsy wouldn't need it.
My vet was more than happy for me to manage Rosie at home as he thought it would be beneficial for her.
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Yes I was going to say you will be looking at a very large vet bill, I know that dosnt even come into it at the time but best do whats best for you and Jasmine, not for the vets pockets.
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Its great shes using a tray on her own, means she hasnt given up ;D
You could take bedding in that the kittens have slept on, im not sure i would take them because of the risk of them picking up germs from the waiting room.
Its amazing how much they have grown ;D
I would still want x-rays done to double check theres nothing that could show up, she sounds alot stronger now. "Spinal damage" seems a bit vague? At least her nerves are good enough to keep her toilets abilities normal.
Hopefully Lynn will be along soon
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I also agree with HippyKitty
Could you speak to your vet about bringing her home Helen ?
Even if she needs injections i am sure you can learn fast (it isnt hard)
I agree that she would prob get better soon being in her own home and as i have already said i am worried she will loose the bond with her kittens if away from them for too long
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Fantastic news Karen, things seem to be looking up ;D
The kittens are looking brilliant too..
Well done :hug:
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Just had a good look at the piccies. What a lovely climbing frame you have for the kittens.
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So pleased to hear the positive news Karen ;D Can't wait to hear that she's safe and sound back home with you and her babies :hug:
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Great news Karen.....Im Happy for you both :)
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Karen, so pleased to hear that Jasmine has improved and used the tray - well done to you too for asking the questions which is difficult to do when stressed. The kittens are adorable and I do hope that it won't be too long before you are all together again. Lots of hugs to you :hug:
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Thanks, everyone.
I'll ask the vet's advice on nursing her at home. But I'm not gonna push for x-rays. If the vet who has examined her doesn't think her legs are broken, then I have no reason to. I'm sure he'll give her x-rays when he thinks the time's right.
Thank you, Hippykitty. The kittens loooove the cat tree. Jasmine hasn't really had a chance to play on it cos it just came the week she had the babies. You can see the whole thing in this one, and just about see Meeko poking out of the cave bit...
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w70/alilbirdiesaid/21052007387.jpg)
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awwww Karen thats fantastic news I only just got in and read the news woooooooooooooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo maybe there is a god up there after all............please change the name of the title from AWFUL NEWS TO ENCOURAGING NEWS :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
COME ON JASMINE WE ARE ALL ROUTING FOR YOU SWEETHEART AND YOUR BABIES ARE WAITING TO SEE YOU
GET WELL SOON
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Yay what great news ... fingers crossed she will continue to improve at a nice steady pace and be back home very soon.
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karen your post of the visit to the vets brought tears to my eyes , im really pleased shes ok and making a little progress
best of luck and keep us up to date , i hope you have insurance
love sasha
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I was so scared to read thisn thread and am so pleased that Jasmine is improving. ;D
If the vet is near to you and it is possible, I would make sure you visit everyday cos if she cant come home , it will definately help her.
Come on Jasmine, you are doing just great :hug: :hug:
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Oh Karen I'm soooooooooooooo happy and sending love and prayers she will be home soon and make a full recovery. :Luv: :Luv:
Lots if hugs to you and Jas and all her littluns :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I am glad she is doing well, fingers crossed she carries on improving.
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Just rang the vet. No more progress since yesterday, she's still much the same. He said "if she keeps going how she's going there's still hope"
Which didn't make me feel too good. He said she's still bright as a button and happy - although I know she's not happy, but as much as she can be, I suppose.
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That's good, at least she has gone backwards. He sounds positive and I'm sure he wouldn't tell you something like that if he had any doubts!
Still have everything crossed for you and Jasmine xxxx
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Did you ask him about bringing her home (not that it's HIS decision!)?
Things still sound positive, even from this dour-sounding vet!
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awwww
r u going to see her again today karen?
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glad to hear she is still progressing. Is there anything they are doing at the vet that you couldn't do yourself at home, I know you would have to have her caged but maybe she may be better in her own environment
give her a kiss from my babies when you go to see her today
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id "pass" on the coming home front.....she is in best place at the mo and still being monitered x
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How is Jasmine today? Any more news? I hope you're managing to visit her and that she can come home soon.
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I didn't go over to the vets yesterday. I hadn't been able to work as past few days so had to catch up, had a doctor's appointment, and plus I didn't want to pester them going in every single today.
Today, however, I went over. She's made a bit more improvement, and he asked if I wanted to take her home!! She's far from right yet, but I am soooo delighted she's home. I have tablets to give her morning and night, and she needs to go back to be checked over every other day - we have an appointment at 9.30 on Friday morning. She needs to be kept confined to a room, but she doesn't want to stay still at all! I gave her her first tablet and fed her. Probably shouldn't but gave her her favourite cat food, some smoked salmon bits and a bowl of whiskas cat milk which she lapped up in seconds (she absolutely looooves that stuff!)
She seems really eager to make sure things are how she left them, and keeps wanting to move with her little legs trailing behind her. I'm supposed to keep the kittens away as much as possible but I let them have a little look at her, and she was licking them straight away, so I don't think the bond has been lost?
I also paid the bill, it was £66 so far. I thought it'd be much more!
I am absolutely over the moon to have my little girl home, although she's still not well, she's much better here with people that love her :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
And, finally, I sneaked a little pic for you all...
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w70/alilbirdiesaid/23052007394.jpg)
Thank God my baba is home! :Luv:
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I am so glad she is with you Karen. Well done and hope Jasmine continues like this. The fact she wants to move at all is brilliant and very promising. xx
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Thanks, Ruth! Meant to say that I'm to keep an eye on her to make sure she uses the littertray, if she hasn't by tomorrow morning I have to take her back - so fingers crossed with that.
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That is absolutely fantastic news, I am so pleased for you both!!! :disco:
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Sorry forgot to mention - when Rosie was attacked she didn't use her tray for a couple of days, it took her nearly a week to pass a stool. Just wanted to let you know that it can take a few days for it all to go through the system!!
Congrats again!
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The vet said she has been using it both ways, Rosiesmum, but just in case she stops for some reason
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Excellent - that is even better! ;D
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Great that she is back with her mum & babies (does that make you kitten granny? :evillaugh: ) getting the TLC - better for everyone concerned (except the vet)
No matter how good the VN's are, there is nothing like being at home to nurse her back to health.
Glad it all turned out well Karen
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Thats made my day bless her. I can imagine how happy you are and the babies..........
here is to you getting better quickly :grouphug:
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(Haha, Mark. When the kittens were born I was texting all my friends to tell them I was a granny! :evillaugh: )
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I am so so pleased for you, Jasmine and the kittens! That is such good news! Let's hope she can go from strength to strength now, and be back on her feet in no time at all - sounds like she's a little fighter, and sounds like she has a lot worth fighting for! You've done so well over this, you should be very proud of yourself ... and Jasmine! :hug:
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Been away - and I've just read this whole thread. So sorry to hear about Jasmine but glad to hear that she's on the mend and now back at home with you and her babies. Hope things continue to improve
big hugs L xx
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:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
THAT IS THE BEST NEWS WE HAVE HAD ON HERE IN DAYS
I just know she is going to go from strength to strenght now -
and I would let the kittens be with her but just keep an eye that they dont drive her mad :rofl:
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That's great news ;D
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Oh, brilliant. She'll be happier at home with you and her kittens. Come on Jasmine!
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I dunno, Michelle. The vet said not to have the kittens near her much.
Another little problem, her feeding bowls seem awkward for her cos she can't quite lean down properly. Any suggestions of what I could do to make it easier? I thought of setting the bowls up on something but she'd knock it down, I think :-: I've got no way to get to a pet shop tonight, although I could tomorrow to get a raised one.
The legs don't really seem any better to me from when I took her in on Friday. We'll just have to wait and see, I suppose :(
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Re: Feeding - I had to sit next to Rosie and hold the bowl for her, she couldn't move, but I found it was the best way or let her feed from your hand?
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Fantastic news, I'm so pleased for you and Jasmine :hug:
With the bowl issue you could use an upturned tupperware box, Tiggy had a raised water bowl for years and never knocked it off (bowl was heavy ceramic though). If her bowls are light then you could put the tub up against a wall so when she licks the bowl will just push against the wall.
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Aww, I am so glad she is home, and i hope she recovers quickly.
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oh karen i do think shes doing well and at home were shes happy can only be the best think for her now , good luck and well done
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Jasmine has a very determined expression in that picture. I do so hope she gets better. x
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I am so pleased she is home with you ;D
Kocka had her dishes on top of a 6 pack of coke for years and the only time they got hurt was when I tripped over em and knocked one off!!
I do hope she improves slowly and gradually :hug: :hug:
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Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :clap: :yayyy: :yayyy: :attention: Oh the absolutely fantastic news hun.
It must be great to have her home. ;D ;D
Give her a gentle cuddle from us and still sending love and prayers she makes a full recovery. :blow kiss: :ahh:
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So pleased Jasmine is back home ... she will be alot happier in familiar surroundings knowing you and her kittens are all safe and nearby. I'm sure she will continue to improve now she is with you again.
Big hugs to you and Jasmine :hug: :hug:
Love
Sam, Foxy, Zephyr and Rossi xxx
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Oh WOW! So glad she's back home.......she's a little fighter :)
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She is a little fighter, but her legs really don't look good. My friend burst into tears seeing her today.
I think she might have been putting a little bit of weight on them tonight though.
Thanks, Rosiesmum, but Jasmine's never liked taking food from my hand for some reason. And on the rare occasion she does she'll just lift it out of my hand and put it on the floor. Putting it on a box is a great idea!
She's had her medicine and food, and is all set up for the night now.
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She is a little fighter, but her legs really don't look good. My friend burst into tears seeing her today.
I think she might have been putting a little bit of weight on them tonight though.
Thanks, Rosiesmum, but Jasmine's never liked taking food from my hand for some reason. And on the rare occasion she does she'll just lift it out of my hand and put it on the floor. Putting it on a box is a great idea!
She's had her medicine and food, and is all set up for the night now.
Aww bless her heart :hug: time is a good healer and it helps that she has a wonderful Meowmy like you to care for her. Im sending cyber head kisses from all my babies and a special head kiss for you from Milo man :hug: :hug: :hug:
xxxx
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Hi Karen
How was Jasmine last night?
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She did well during the night. She used the littertray - or rather, scraped all the litter onto the floor and peed on that. I don't know why she did that. Still no change in the legs, with the way I see them anyway. But she was hungry and ate all her food, took her medicine, and is purring away when you pet her so she's happy enough ;D
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So glad to hear she's home and happy! :Party 3:
The VN's may be able to answer this, but I'm still puzzled why the vet hasn't x-rayed her back legs or referred you to a specialist; though the area you live in may be sparsely populated with ortho/spinal vets.
Maybe putting her food in a heavy dish on a couple of telephone directories would help?
She'll just get stronger now she's home. Hopefully, her legs will mend, but even if they don't, she'll adapt.
Did you complain about the dog-owner, or leave it incase of reprisals?
Main thing is, she's home and getting stronger. Well done Jasmine! ;D
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I'm gonna mention x-rays to the vet again tomorrow. I don't really like to, cos he's the expert, not me. But there's something about the way she's holding her legs that isn't right, then again surely she'd be in pain, and not as content as she is if there were breaks?
I couldn't find a tupperware box that was big enough for her dishes. So I folded four towels into four and put it on that. It grips well to those and makes it easier for her.
Funny you should mention the dog. I have found out who owns it - or my friend knows of a dog that fits the description I gave. It belongs to a family that I most definitely wouldn't want to report, and they would take zero notice of any warnings etc anyway. But my friend seems to think it might be part pitbull. In which case I think I can get onto the dog warden and ask them to check anonymously. I'm going to walk over that way later today and have a look at the dog, my friend says it's usually in their back garden.
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Ask anyway about the xrays. If you have a concern even if you think the vet will just shrug it off, ask. I'm glad she's perkier hun, xx
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Karenjet so sorry to hear what you have been through I have just been reading all the post, glad she is making a good recovery,Some people shouldn't be aloud to have any pets because of the way they bring them up (they just don't care) will be thinking of you all. Caroline xx
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Yeah, Ruth. I'm definitely gonna ask the vet about x-rays tomorrow.
I made a little video of her earlier to show to someone online. I'll warn you it might be upsetting to watch for some people. Heartbreaking for me :'(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6PaO8Z__NM
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Bless her poor little heart :'(
Made me cry :'(
She seems to be adapting well but its still heartbreaking.
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Watched the vid a couple of times. What struck me was the rigidity and straightness of her legs. Cats don't have straight legs, especially the back ones, they sort of fold in three places. To me, as a total amateur, this suggests that her joints have become dislocated. The only other time I've seen such straight back legs was in Grissel, a cat given to me by a vet boyfriend. She had broken her leg and had a steel pin through the joints to hold her leg still; this prevented her from bending it.
It doesn't look as though this is nerve damage (at least not on its own), as the joints would still naturally bend.
If you touch her legs, or rub them, does she show signs of feeling your touch. (Tickle her back paws, cats are usually ticklish there.)
It would be great if you could get her examined by a specialist vet.
Maybe one of the VN's could comment on what I've said - even if they think I'm talking total rubbish.
All the best to you, Jasmine and her kittens. :hug:
Also, she moves her right leg. She straightens it out a little at one point, which indicates that leg may recover.
My best guess is that she's damaged her pelvis. An x-ray really is called for.
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Awwww, I just want to give her a big fuss! She's so brave. :) And seems to be dealing well with the lack of movement in her back legs.
I agree though, I've never seen a cat keep its back legs that rigid.
And a call to the dog warden anonymously is definately a good idea. The dog obviously isn't being controled well enough and the owner needs t obe mae aware of that fact.
A big ((hug)) to you because it must be awfully upsetting and stressful seeing Jasmine this way and loads of fuss to the lady herself and the kittens. ;D
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That was upsetting seeing the video but she doesnt appear to be unhappy which is great.
Re all the speculation of nerve damage. Nerves obviously control muscles and muscles move bones. If there has been a loss of connection in some of these nerves then she will appear to hold herself "oddly" as she quite obviously isnt aware of what her legs are doing, also if some nerves have a degree of stimulation then they may be making the muscles "freeze" on "extension" mode if you like, If this is what the muscles are doing then the bones will obviously have no choice to stay like that as they cant bend without the flexion in the muscles. They certainly dont look dislocated or anything imo.
I agree that atleast looking into referral may be the best way to go, nothing ventured nothing lost and since she is insured i'd be going the whole hog pulling out every stop, they may have some sort of ideas or tests which could isolate the exact pin point damage and give you a better picture of long term prognosis.
i have all my fingers crossed that she makes an improvement.
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what a brave and beautiful girl she is...... that video made me cry. Im so shocked that the vet has not suggested an x-ray she is hardly likely to try and run while they x ray her poor little darling. I cant believe she is acting like its just the norm for her how brave.
I showed my friend and she said her cat was the same and her pelvis was fractured. she had to have cage rest for 4 months.
I would ask for a referal too as she may be doing more harm than good moving about if there is a fracture.
Its terribly sad to watch her being so brave................. probably as she has a wonderful Meowmy
give her a kiss from me
xx
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I'm not being funny but thinking about this, I actually think before this dog had the courage to run INTO your house and do this to your cat it could seriously pose a danger to not only other animals but children too.
You said you were unloading your shopping from the taxi so i am imagining the taxi driver might have been a witness also ?
I personally would take this further and contact the police with all your video evidence...I personally feel a dog who will enter a house strange to it poses a bigger threat than a dog who will attack a cat in outdoors.
since you have this video footage (take more) i would send it to both the police and animal prevention (ie rspca).
(i'm not one for a dog witch hunt either but there are limits to what may be a "natural behaviour" and a down right threat to society)
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I do agree with you 100% Lynn my 3 labs have beautiful temperaments and are wonderful with the cats/kittens. I know one thing for sure though if that temperament EVER changed they would undoubtedly be PTS weather it be a child or animal they hurt.
Has the dog owner actually been to see if Jasmine is OK since......... the dog should certainly be PTS next time it maybe a baby in a pram when someone is unpacking their shopping like you were
Please get well soon Jasmine, we are all praying for you
xxx
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Very sad to see Jasmine like that but she is grooming and like someone else says doesnt seem unhappy.
I would insist on a referral fast cos the longer this is left the harder it will be to treat. I suspect your vet doesnt have the knowledge to treat even if he knew what was wrong........all vets dont know everything but the best are those who admit this and offer to refer on. I dont think your vet giving xrays will be the answer and specialist help would be the best way forward.
Cats mask pain so well and it maybe that she hasnt got full feeling so she isnt feeling all the pain.
I just want to see Jasmine healthy again, she has been through so much and is so wonderful.
I agree with Lynn concerning the dog and think that action should be taken to report this.
Lots of healing vibes to Jasmine :hug: :hug:
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Oh bless the brave little lady! She seems to be coping so very well, but I wish that her legs get movement back in them very soon. I agree that specialist help is needed just to make sure that nothing has been overlooked.
As far as informing against this irresponsible dog owner is concerned, I can TOTALLY understand Karenjet's reluctance to report him. It's a horrible position to be in, because you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I think that it should be up to Karenjet to decide how to handle this, as only she knows how she would feel and what repercussions might await her, either way it's a harsh place to be :( Whatever decision she makes, I will respect it and not judge her. Believe me, it is terrifying being in a position where you 'should' inform on someone who would think nothing of crippling or even killing you and yours in retribution. My heart goes out to you, Karenjet, and of course to Jasmine.
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I agree. GP's know a bit about every illness but will refer to a specialist. I'm sure its the same for vets.
As for speaking to a dog warden, I would say use your own judgement. As much as we all want to see that :censored: owner punished. He may know it was you and its not worth risking you, Jasmine & the kittens for. I hate to say that but these people can be evil and vindictive (sure you know that :tired: )
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oh karen - so upsetting
please ask your vet to refer you on immedietly you have nothing to loose having the insurance and jasmine has everything to gain
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Karen
Just seen the video, made me cry, poor Jasmine. I would strongly suggest reporting it to the Police especially as this dog entered your home. They may be able to act. I know the idea of reporting these people is terrifying but it needs to be done before another animal or child gets attacked.
I am in the process of taking the owners who's dogs attacked Rosie to Court, infact my letter of 'Intended Legal Proceedings' goes out today, and they only live next door.
For as long as these people think they can get away with being so irresponsible, they will keep on doing it. I have posted a picture of Rosie when she came back from the vets after her attack, her injuries were horrendous. I am sorry if this upsets anyone and will remove it if anyone wishes me too.
Apologies, but this thread brings back memories and things like this get me very heated!
I have removed the picture out of respect to Karen and Jasmine after today's sad news. xx
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Aw - poor little Jasmine. She does seem to be coping very well though. I agree that a specialist would be a good idea as a specialist should be able to give you more idea of what you can expect in terms of her regaining use of her legs, time scales etc.
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That was so sad watching the video,she looks very determined though,I agree about being careful though, some people are really nasty and you don't know what they would do if you say anything,I wish you all the luck what ever you decide :hug:
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It would be great if you could get her examined by a specialist vet.
I agree, what a brave little girl.
Can you just refresh my memory again, is the little one insured. If not I am sure some of us could help.
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Karen
Just seen the video, made me cry, poor Jasmine. I would strongly suggest reporting it to the Police especially as this dog entered your home. They may be able to act. I know the idea of reporting these people is terrifying but it needs to be done before another animal or child gets attacked.
I am in the process of taking the owners who's dogs attacked Rosie to Court, infact my letter of 'Intended Legal Proceedings' goes out today, and they only live next door.
For as long as these people think they can get away with being so irresponsible, they will keep on doing it. I have posted a picture of Rosie when she came back from the vets after her attack, her injuries were horrendous. I am sorry if this upsets anyone and will remove it if anyone wishes me too.
Apologies, but this thread brings back memories and things like this get me very heated!
Im not suprised it makes you get heated, I really had no idea that there were so many cats attacked by dogs.................. I hope both Jasmine and Rosie both recover both physically and mentally as they both have such wonderful meowmys :hug: :hug: :hug:
xxx
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Been the the vet and it's not good. Her legs have gotten worse since Wednesday. He said there's nothing more that can be done and wanted to pts today. I said no and he's said we'll wait until Monday and see how she is over the weekend. I asked about a specialist and he said there's nothing more a specialist could do for her.
Came home and rang round 3 other vets and they've all said the same thing. Nothing can be done for nerve damage.
My heart's broke, don't know what to do now :'( :'( :'(
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Karen I'm so sorry to hear that :'(
Please don't give up hope, she may make a small recovery before Monday
So sorry :(
I'm praying for you both so much, it's absolutely heartbreaking what you're going through :'(
Take care of yourself and Jas
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Been the the vet and it's not good. Her legs have gotten worse since Wednesday. He said there's nothing more that can be done and wanted to pts today. I said no and he's said we'll wait until Monday and see how she is over the weekend. I asked about a specialist and he said there's nothing more a specialist could do for her.
Came home and rang round 3 other vets and they've all said the same thing. Nothing can be done for nerve damage.
My heart's broke, don't know what to do now :'( :'( :'(
Oh Karen Im so sorry :( :( :( I must say though I am quite shocked that they have not at least offered another opinion from a specialist. Other vets can only go by what your vet has told you.....She does seem to be able to feel something looking at the heartbreaking video.
Maybe one of the more experienced meowmys will be able to advise getting another opinion from a vet college. Your insurance will cover any subsequent checks......
sending you both lots of love and special healing vibes
xx
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I am sorry to hear that too. I hope that some of the more expert people will be able to advise: Im thinking of you both and hoping so much that Jasmine will confound the vet.
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I'm wondering if the vet is right. I've noticed her going downhill myself. This morning she had pooped on the floor and trailed herself through it. I wonder if I'm just delaying the inevitable and just making things harder on her and myself. Surely all those vets can't be wrong.
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My heart's broke, don't know what to do now
I am so sorry.
I think that before I made the decision for perhaps the final act of kindness, I would insist on an x-ray and also contact one of the university's for advice. Have you searched the internet for advice?
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I'm wondering if the vet is right. I've noticed her going downhill myself. This morning she had pooped on the floor and trailed herself through it. I wonder if I'm just delaying the inevitable and just making things harder on her and myself. Surely all those vets can't be wrong.
I can only imagine how your heart must be breaking and can only send you my best wishes.
Maybe give the veterinary college a call and send them by email the video you have of Jasmine and explain your terrible dilema they may be able to advise. Also mention she hasnt been x rayed............poor little darling she is and you
GOOD LUCK AND LOVE TO YOU BOTH
http://www.rvc.ac.uk/AboutUs/Contacts.cfm VETERINARY COLLEGE
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I'm wondering if the vet is right. I've noticed her going downhill myself. This morning she had pooped on the floor and trailed herself through it. I wonder if I'm just delaying the inevitable and just making things harder on her and myself. Surely all those vets can't be wrong.
In that case then I would think that the vet may be right, I do understand though that often we clutch at straws. All I can say is that all my and I am sure all the posters thoughts are with you at this sad time. Many of us have needed to make such decisions and it is never easy, but we do it as it is in our little ones best interest.
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Maybe give the veterinary college a call and send them by email the video you have of Jasmine and explain your terrible dilema they may be able to advise. Also mention she hasnt been x rayed............poor little darling she is and you
That is a good idea, at least then if it is confirmed that nothing can be done, you know you have done everything possible.
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http://www.ahis.org/Ukvetsch.html this is for the one in Dublin
Each and everyone of us will be thinking of you and Jasmine it such a shame especially as she is sooo beautiful and she has a wonderful meowmy
x
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I agree re a specialist.
I would also say that if she's not in pain, I wouldn't want to PTS. There are plenty of disabled cats that live a happy life. Teresa & others would be able to advise on this. I'm so sorry Karen
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Karen my heart goes out to you, so sorry.
However, I do not think that much will happen on Monday, if you leave it until then, dont forget that it is a Bank Holiday.
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I don't think it's a bank holiday here, Yvonne. The vet is open.
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So sorry she is deterioting karen. Personally i would phone a veterinary college and explain the circumstanses and say YOU UNDERSTAND that nerve damage cant be fixed but you'd atleast like a more informed diagnoses before making the final decision. Having said that i am now thinking, is it fair to put jasmine through travelling, tests and procedures etc just to "confirm" what may be becoming more and more obvious.
I have to confess i did not have a good feeling after seeing the video. I am grateful however that she is not feeling pain :hug:
Re the reporting, my thoughts are exactly like rosiesmum and my biggest concern is that this dog entered a strange house which could have indeed been a toddler in the hall not a cat. I am sure the police would treat this alot differently than had the dog attacked jasmine in a garden.
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Karen this is the most difficult time for you and Jasmine and our thoughts are with you.
Whilst sending all the positive thoughts we have here at the Clan cats you have to much as it will hurt put Jasmines need above yours and her babies - can you cope with what is happening - she will never be the same and this involves a lot of work and the anguish that it can cause.
Whatever you decide she is your baby and we can only do our best and sometimes it is not enough but I'm sure you have support here and in your own heart you will know wht is best for her
Positive thoughts from all here at the Clan Cats :hug:
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Oh Karen - so sorry to hear this :( I agree with the others though about her seeing a specialist. It's not that I'm doubting your vet's competence but in a case like this I'd want to have a specialist look at her just to be sure there aren't any options your own vet is unaware of. If there isn't then at least you know you pursued every option and there was nothing that could have been done, and that will be a comfort to you if you do have to have her pts.
How is Jasmine in herself? Does she seem to be in pain or discomfort? Do you feel that travel and prolonging things would be distressing or painful for her?
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Oh God this is so not what i wanted to read.
When you say she has gone down hill what do you mean ?
Is she still eating ?
Does she seem free of pain ?
Does she seem happy in herself ?
If the answers are YES to the above then I think she still has quality of life.
As someone else has said, disabled cats can learn to adapt well in time - it might be hard work for you though.
I still feel you have nothing to loose by getting a specialist to see her, even though your own vet says theres no point I personally would want to try everything.
I am now away for the weekend so sending you much love and hugs, i will be thinking of you and Jasmine
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Oh Karen :brokenheart: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
You are such a loving mum we know you will do whats best for her hun. We will always all be here for you both :hug: :hug: :hug:
Sending lots of love & Prayers. Our thoughts and love are with you.
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Re the disability .. it is true many cats live happily with disablement (with caring owners) but i have to say a paraplegic cat is at the very top end of disability.
I would think if jasmine went on indefinately the way she is she would develop sores around her rear end mainly because of the way she is scooting along, even with great care over cleaning her etc If this happened it would be very difficult to keep them infection free. Of course a vet may be able to shed more light on that particular aspect but thinking of any animal that is partially recumbent and cannot move a certain part of the body then in my experience would bound to develop ulcerated "bed" sore type lesions.
As Tan and others have said, you know Jasmine more than anyone else and will do what is best for her :hug:
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I would think if jasmine went on indefinately the way she is she would develop sores around her rear end mainly because of the way she is scooting along, even with great care over cleaning her etc If this happened it would be very difficult to keep them infection free. Of course a vet may be able to shed more light on that particular aspect but thinking of any animal that is partially recumbent and cannot move a certain part of the body then in my experience would bound to develop ulcerated "bed" sore type lesions.
Sadly that is exactly what happened to a little cat named Tessa that I knew about.
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Karen, I am so sorry to read today's news. As everyone has said, you obviously know Jasmine best. I do think that letting the vet college see the video and getting their opinion is a very good idea. Thinking of you all like so many others here.
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I am so sorry to hear that the news isn't that good. IF she isn't in pain, I would monitor her for a short while longer and see how she goes, just in case she can adapt, but if she can't, at least you have tried everything possible for her.
Michelle - sadly they aren't the only things to consider regarding quality of life, one of the major ones with this kind of issue is toileting, and being able to move, as it could start to impact on Jasmine's mental state, cats dont like not being able to be clean.
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What a heartbreaking time for you and poor Jasmine.....our thoughts are with you both :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I rang the Dublin Veterinary college, but they wont talk to me. They said they never talk to patient owners and I'd need to get my vet to ring them, which I'm sure he wont do.
I don't think my head has ever felt so muddled :'(
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Have you asked your vet about referral, Karen? I dont' think any referral centre will deal with you directly as you always have to be referred. But I can't understand why your vet would refuse to refer you if you asked.
How is Jasmine this afternoon?
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:hug: :hug: :hug:
to you and Jasmine
love
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I asked about getting a specialist but he just said there's nothing can be done, by anyone, for nerve damage. The other vets I spoke to said the same.
She's a bit restless this afternoon, doesn't want to lay still. Still eating though and bright enough.
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Hi Kare
I am heartbroken to hear what is going on, I know this must be a horrible time for you, as many others have siad here, you will make the right decision by Jasmine, thinking of you.
Denise xx
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Clutching at straws but I wondered if anyone on here that has a good relationship with their vet could possibly show them the video and get an opinion.
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Im just going to ring and ask mine.....................if he will heres hoping
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That's a good idea.
Karen - I've forgotten what you said about her using the litter tray - is she managing to use it? If she's not incontinent then that implies that her spinal cord isn't too damaged so the nerve damage must just be in her legs. I can't pretend to know much about that kind of thing but in people it can take a long time to get feeling back in the legs when there's been a spinal injury or nerve damage in the legs, but it is possible if the spinal cord is still intact. Has your vet said it's certain she won't regain any feeling or movement in her back legs?
As far as the specialist goes - what is your vet like with you? Does he get defensive when you suggest it or is it just that he doesn't think there's any point? Maybe he'd be amenable to the argument that having a second opinion doesn't mean you dont' value his opinion, just that it would help you come to terms with Jasmine's condition and prognosis if you had it confirmed by a specialist?
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Right here goes.....
my vet suggests that a second opinion is sought. x rays will do no harm but will show if the damage is pelvic. You have the right to go to another vet, you do not need these approval you telephone to make an appointment explaining the situation and the vets then request the notes and history of Jasmine from your existing vet.... they said that people do ask for a second opinion as nobody gets everything right all of the time
http://www.uk250.co.uk/frame/1408/royal-college-of-veterinary-surgeons.html this is the website they gave me ther is at the top find a vet list, maybe there is one that a friend has used and that you feel happy with using.
I hope this has helped rather than confuse yopu even more
love and hugs to you and Jasmine :hug:
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Karen thats good news. I have been looking at web sites for any info that may help and it seems in UK most cats are pts with rear spinal nerve damage because of the way our cats live ie most outsiders but in USA where alot of Cats are indoor , they have ways to give a rear disabled cat a good life which is not very common over here. Do we know if the spainal damage to her cord is damaged or severed? Heres bits i got of the net and i have no clue if they can help at all.
Diagnosis
A history of recent injury is important in diagnosing spinal trauma. In addition, your veterinarian will perform a thorough examination to determine the extent of the injury and to determine if there are other injuries present.
Your veterinarian will take X-rays of the spinal column to detect fractures or luxations.
A myelogram may be performed to determine if significant spinal cord swelling has occurred. A myelogram is a specialized test that involves injecting dye into the spinal canal and taking X-rays. Animals are often sedated for this test.
A CT scan or MRI may also be performed to determine the severity of spinal cord injury.
Treatment
Animals with suspected spinal trauma should be immobilized immediately. The animal should be taped to a board while lying on his side to prevent further injury. Tranquilizers, sedatives and painkillers are not given until the animal can be evaluated since giving these drugs will make it nearly impossible to determine the severity of the injury and will make decisions regarding appropriate treatment difficult.
Treatment for spinal trauma depends on the severity of the injury and should begin as soon as possible. Some injuries can be treated medically and others require surgery. For some injuries, particularly severe fractures or dislocations of the spine, there is no treatment available and euthanasia should be considered.
The goal of treatment is to alleviate swelling, control hemorrhage, alleviate compression on the cord and to stabilize the vertebral column if a fracture or luxation is present. Treatment for spinal trauma can be medical, surgical or a combination of both.
Medical therapy often involves the administration of corticosteroids, primarily methylprednisolone sodium succinate. It should be administered within eight hours of the injury to be effective. If given later, it can worsen the spinal injury.
Surgical therapy should be considered in animals with unstable fractures or luxations or animals with worsening neurologic signs despite medical therapy. Surgery should be performed by an experienced neurosurgeon.
Depending on the nature of the injury, paralysis may be temporary or permanent and may involve loss of sensation in bowel and bladder as well. Where the injury has caused the blood supply to be cut off, the vet may opt to amputate the tail and/or lower parts of the hind legs due to the risk of gangrene. Other conditions causing lack or loss of hind-limb function are pelvic deformities and spina bifida. In some extreme cases, kittens have been born without proper pelvic bones.
If the bladder and bowel are affected this will result in incontinence (uncontrolled dribbling of urine, uncontrolled defecation) or an inability to urinate/defecate unaided. In either case, the owner can manually express the bowel and bladder. The vet will show you how to do this. A build up of urine in the bladder can lead to infection which can track up the ureters to the cat's kidneys. If the cat is incontinent inbetween sessions, nappies (US: diapers) may be possible. There are nappies ("Stud-Pants" "Piddle-Pants") designed for incontinent dogs and cats, sometimes used by owners of stud cats which spray indoors. Washable bedding will also be needed and must be washed daily. Caring for a long-term incontinent cat requires effort and commitment.
Many cats have pursued several more years of mobility and good quality of life using a "wheelchair" or mobility cart. Initially developed for dogs, but now available for cats as well, these support the cat's hind quarters and tail so that they don't drag along the ground. The cat can walk, run, lie down and defecate while in the cart. They are also suited to hind-limb amputees. The carts are generally made to measure and if used for a young cat or kitten, will have to be replaced as the cat grows. Whether or not your cat is suited to a mobility cart depends on its personality and ability to adapt to a more dependent lifestyle. Fiercely independent, tree-climbing kitties may not be able to make the adjustment to a more limited lifestyle.
Although designed to cope with a variety of terrains, pet mobility carts are rare in the UK due to the prevailing unsupervised indoor-outdoor lifestyle of most British cats. In the USA, where an indoor lifestyle is more normal - meaning more even terrain - and a cat's outside forays are likely to be supervised, they are more common. They have been imported into the UK and some skilled cat owners have made similar carts (as a temporary measure) using the children's construction toy Meccano or plastic plumbing tubes. Home made carts are often in the form of four wheeled frames with the body supported by a sling. Although useful as a stop-gap measure while a specialist cart is being made to measure or while a kitten is growing fast, many home-made carts are too bulky, heavy and cumbersome for long term use.
One thing cats in mobility carts cannot do is jump. To reach a favourite chair, the cat requires a ramp wide enough to accommodate the cart. Although not impossible, it is probably inadvisable for the cat to jump down from the chair. Because pressure sores can develop at the points where the cat's body is supported (particularly on lifeless limbs where the cat cannot shift its position) lap-times, nap-times and bed-times are times to come out of the cart. Many cats are happy to remain in one place during these times, while others prefer to drag their hind ends around the floor. Owners need to watch out for pressure sores and also for abrasions caused by dragging the lifeless limbs on the ground.
British behaviourists have expressed concerns that a partially paralysed cat's body language might put it at a disadvantage. For example, its lifeless tail might be interepreted by other cats as a "tail between legs" fear posture, but there is no evidence that affected cats are at any more disadvantage than naturally tailless or bobtailed breeds.
In Britain there is generally more resistance to artificial aids such as pet wheelchairs. However, in the early 1990s a British Cat Shelter had a paraplegic puss who adapted well to a mobility cart for several years. Hector was a semi-longhaired black-and-white tuxedo cat whose hind legs were paralysed by injury when he was six years old. Hector lived at the Ingleside Cat Shelter who reported that his easy-going and co-operative personality meant he adapted well to a life in a mobility cart and his greater dependence on humans. He was possibly one of the first British cats to use a mobility cart. Hector eventually died of cancer, a condition unrelated to his partial paralysis.
I'm caring for a rescued kitty who was found last August with no hind end function (legs, tail, bladder, bowel). She has very slowly but steadily regained some function. I doubt she will walk, but who knows. She can now move her tail (not hold it in the air but twitch it and move it out of the way when her bladder is expressed) and "walks" on her knees - even tries to pull her hind legs under her to stand. We've been doing the same massage & range of motion therapy and supporting her while having her stand & bear a little weight on her hind legs (to provide some muscle tone). Although people cringe & sigh when I tell them about Jenny, they shouldn't - this cat is not handicapped in spirit and shows no sign of being troubled by her lack of normal hind end function. She's inspirational and a delight to have around.
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_care_of_the_paralyzed_animal.html
My prayers are with you hun.
Sending lots of love to you both and her babies
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Thats a fantastic website I had used before when Thomas had a bad tail.............. ihttp://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_cats_with_broken_tails.html the information is really good and thorough.............. I hope and pray that Jasmine can recover
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How does your vet believe the nerve damage was caused? A tooth puncture? Violent shaking?
How can he be sure there isnt a small piece of bone putting pressure on something it shouldnt?
I couldnt go ahead with pts without a second opinion & x rays. I also dont see how the other vets could diagnose/comment over the phone without even seeing her. :shify:
I really feel for you being in this situation :hug: :hug:
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So sorry to hear the news Karen, it must be a terrible time for you. Remember that we are all here for you no matter what happens :hug: I sincerely hope the vet is wrong and that Jasmine will improve :hug:
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as ive not been online for a few days ive only just caught up with this thread ,i have been thinking about jasmine and wondering how she was etc
the video of jasmine and the photo of rosie made me cry :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
this is a subject very close to my heart as my precious babe was killed by a dog at 6mths old
the dog is question was a staffie cross ,
i dont think these evil people and there monsters of a dog should be able to get away with the pain and heart ache they cause us ,
i never have and never will get over my cat being killed ,
as the dog ran in ur house karen u should report the people responsible to the police
they cant get away with this ,
that animal should of been on a lead ,
regardless of who owns the dog they are not any differnt to the rest of us ,they have to live by the law ,
if the owners of these dogs were really animal lovers then theres no way theyd be able to live with the dogs or there selfs after knowing what theyve done ,
u should send a copy of that video to the owner , and take it to the police ,
is jasmine in any pain karen ?do u have to give her pain relief at home?
i really do feel for u karen ,
and i hope and pray to god that dear jasmine will recover :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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So much to answer, so remind me if I miss anything...
I wouldn't say that the vet sounded defensive, just that he thought nothing more could be done for her. I do have a vet I trust, I took my dog to them, it's miles away and I don't drive. But I'd crawl there at the moment. I rang them this morning and they were a little bit off - I thought, although it could've been just me - and said they don't like to go behind other vet's backs, and would need to ring my vet to discuss it all. She also asked if she'd been x-rayed, like alot of you have here. They said I was welcome to bring her out to be seen, but if it's nerve damage there's nothing can be done.
I really don't think I could cope with her living as she is. It's obvious she misses being able to move freely. This morning she was crying at the bottom of the stairs, I took her up and let her have a look round and I think that's all she wanted. Meeko and Daisy were in my ironing basket a while ago and she was trying to get up to peek in it.
She's not incontinent, Susanne. Well, she has control over her bowels and bladder but is having trouble getting it into the tray. It's one of the kittens shallow ones, she seems to think she is right into it when her backside is hanging out.
Milly's mum, the vet thinks the damage has been caused by her being shaken, cos the only place she was cut was a teeny one of her lip. Which is all I thought was wrong for the first few minutes.
I'm not reporting the family to the police. It sounds bad but if you knew the family in question you'd understand. They're the type of family even the police are scare of. I know of a case not so long ago where someone wronged them and got an ignited rag through their letterbox. I need to think about my family and the kittens. There actually was a toddler there, Lynn. One of my two year olds was in the hall. But of course, I agree. A dog like that should not be allowed to run loose, and as much as I'd love to see something done about it, I can't.
She doesn't seem to be in any pain, Lisa. She doesn't have pain relief. Well, actually I'm not sure what her meds are. It's prednisolone (sp?)
It'd break your heart. She's laid on the floor beside me at the moment, with Meeko asleep at her side and Belle under her chin. She's so happy to have them near her but I need to watch like a hawk in case they try to get milk, which Daisy is mad for. If anyone saw her they'd never guess anything was wrong :'(
Thanks so much, smudgepickles, I really appreciate you getting your vet to have a look. And thanks to all for the info, support and good wishes :hug:
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Thanks so much, smudgepickles, I really appreciate you getting your vet to have a look. And thanks to all for the info, support and good wishes :hug:
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The pleasure is all mine Karen and we all fully understand your not wanting the police to get involved.............. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
I wish I lived nearer to comfort you and to drive you where ever you needed just to give you that little bit of hope.I'm sending you a very tearful cyber hug . Do you have a friend or neighbour that would take you to another vet, I will explain why this is all worrying me just so you understand :hug: :hug:
5 years ago one of my horses came in with what looked like the worst fracture in his leg............ called my vets and out came a vet i hadn't used before and he advised PTS well to be shot :'( He wasn't my usual vet and I said "no" I need to hear it from ***** himself. He wasn't on until the next day in the afternoon......... I myself gave my horse pain relief and asked this vet to leave....................we spent an agonising day wondering if we had done the right thing and should we have let him go as he seemed in pain..............the other vet came out and it was A VERY BAD ABCESS deep inside his foot it couldn't bee seen from outside and he admited the swelling made it look like an abcess..........the abscess was cut out and treated for 6 weeks at home and he was fine. The vet was NEVER allowed to ever come to see to my horses again.. :hug:
I hope you didn't mind me saying why its just that they do make mistakes Karen. Your vet may well be right but a different vet shouldn't have a bad attitude with you on the phone, its your right and Jasmines. When I spoke to my vet they did specifically say they should have rayed her
My heart goes out to you and Jasmine
Take care
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Thanks for telling your story, smudge. I am aware they do make mistakes, and already have done with Jasmine. It was them - I think it might've actually been that same vet - who said her kittens were due within the next week, and they came five weeks later.
Grrrrrrrrrrr. Just rang that vet and they're completely booked up tomorrow. Only one vet works on Saturdays, she says all I can do is ring in the morning and check for cancellations. Even the receptionist gave me the speech about them having to get in contact with the vet she has been seeing.
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I am hoping that a second opinion (if that is what you decide) brings some good news.
I was also told the wrong thing by a locum at my vets (my vet was on a day off), I took Rosie to be PTS on the Monday by my own Vet and he refused as the information I was given by the locum was incorrect.
Wishing you lots of hugs.
Denise
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God Karen - I've just caught this thread - have been on holiday and not on here much the last two weeks. Am horrified at what's happened. I really, really feel for you and for Jasmine too, Bless her heart.
I live in fear of my own cat being caught by a dog that visits our neighbour. Some of the others will remember we've had two close shaves in the past with this particular dog, which the owner won't muzzle, and which she won't take to a specialist dog behaviourist.
As a dog owner too I'd be gutted if this had happened - through some fault of my own my dog injured a cat. I can see why you may not want to report it. I just hope the owners get what's coming to them one way or another.
I really am so sorry Karen. I have everything crossed for Jasmine. Maybe something's been missed and - well, I pray for a miracle for you.
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I hope you manage to get an appointment at the other vets. I completely understand why they don't want to go behind the first vets back as they all do the same job, but when it is a life that is at stake then it's different, and certainly when x-rays haven't been taken. I can't understand why no x-rays have been done to see if anything can be seen on them, maybe the other vet will be more willing to take them.
Even if the worst happens, and the second vet agrees with the first, at least you will know you did everything you physically could for her and you won't be left wondering "what if".
Everything's crossed for you and Jasmine and the kittens for a happy outcome.
*hugs*
Karen
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Karen try not to give up yet. One of my cats, Sam, hangs her bum over the outside of the litter tray, thinking she's in the right place, and she's perfectly healthy. Some cats don't have good aim.
I would wait and get your vet to refer you; don't ask, INSIST! He hasn't sounded very interested from the beginning. I suspect he's more interested in large animals than pets.
Don't give up yet. At least have her seen by a specialist and x-rayed. Vets are human, they make mistakes. I can imagine that you're feeling very down and not very positive about things. Do you have support from the people around you?
Good luck from me and P and S. :grouphug:
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I think we should all give karen time and space to deal with this and make up her mind. We've all given the best advice we can as have professionals so as much as we all want to support karen which we can still do, but probably little point in repeating advice we have already given unless specific questions are directed our way.
Sorry if i sound like i'm speaking out of turn but if i were karen i think i'd need time to quietly take stock and gather some rational , logical reasonings before deciding what my next step should be.
and sorry if i have stepped on your toes karen that wasnt my intention but which ever way this turns we are backing you 100%.
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:hug: youll know what the right thing for jasmine is ,only you can make that desition as her owner and friend
im not saying its the way to go but 2 yrs ago i had to take gus my rescue dog to the vets to be pts i waited after the vet had advised to the time i thought was right
it was never going to be easy and i cryed , blamed myself but in time relised that i made the right desition for him
switch off the computer and have a cuddle and youll make up your mind what is really right, not for you or the kittens but for jasmine
im thinking of you both love sasha x
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You haven't stepped on my toes, Lynn. I am finding everything so overwhelming and can't think at all. I'm going to try and pull myself together and get my head straight.
I soooo appreciate all of you very much. As does my Jasmine.
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Just caught up with this thread today and was worried cos it had grown so much.
Poor you Karen, you must be going through hell.
I do hope you manage to see the other vet, must say all those vets sound a bit like a gang!!
Personally I would want to be sure that she had been seen by an expert in the field cos all the other vets are assuming that the diagnosis of nerve damage is correct and your vet or another cannot refuse to refer you but time is of the essence now. I would also tell the new vets that this is an emergency and that Jasmine needs to be seen now cos you neeed a second opinion by someone who actually sees Jasmine.
I do hope that things go well for poor Jasmine and I agree sadly that if she stays how she is then you may have to make the sad decision.
This thread is breaking my heart , so goodness knows what it is doing for you.
We are all here for you and sending good vibes and if you want to talk lets us know or email me if you would like. I am sure many others have offered too.
Good luck to you and Jasmine I am thinking of you both :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Me too :'( :'( :'(
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Thinking of you both today :hug: Lots of chin scritches for Jasmine and a :hug: for you. I hope today brings some positive news or at least some clarification of the whole thing. It must be really hard for you. It's bad enough having a sick pet without all the uncertainty and difficulties you're encountering. You're doing a great job and Jasmine is lucky to have you.
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Good luck with the other vets. Lynn has a good point, we can all say what we would do, but unless you are in that situation, you never truly know, and whatever Karen does isn't wrong, even if it isn't what we would do.
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Sending you both positive vibes today Karen. If I come back as a cat will you be my meowmy please :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Head kisses from all of my fur babies to you and Jasmine
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ill be thinking of u today karen and jasmine and wish u both all the best :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Good luck Karen and Jasmine :Luv:
I will be thinking of you both :Luv:
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Hope there is some positive news for you and Jasmine today, hoping and wishing for the best for you both x
I know what you mean about those sorts of familys and maybe next time they wont be so lucky to get away with it!
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Honey thinking of you xx Call me whenever you want :hug:
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Karen - just sending positive thoughts your way. :hug: for you and Jasmine
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Thinking of you both :hug:
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Just adding my very best wishes and hugs for you both
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Karen,
I am only just catching up on this thread and have to say i have such a huge amount of respect for you, please dont blame yourself for whathas happened though things like this happen and sadly far too often :(
Whatever Happens to your gorgeous lady no one can say that you dont love her ad i am sure whatever you do for her it will be with that in mind.
Big hugs to the brave little angel and fingers crossed xx
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Karen and Jasmine - thinking of you both :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Anyone know what time Karen and Jazzy appt is
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Very sad news I am afraid. Since Saturday Jasmine has deteriorated and she was PTS at 10am this morning.
My thoughts are with Karen as this was not an easy decision to make, however it was made by a loving mum who put her cat's needs before her own. I know you will all support her during this difficult time.
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I am so very sorry that this has happened, but I am glad that Jasmine had such a wonderful mum who did her best by her, and was strong enough to put her needs first, she really was such a lucky cat, and will live on through her babies. RIP little one, and big hugs to you Karen, it is never an easy thing to go through.
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Oh no, what a tragedy :'( She was such a brave cat and she was loved so very much by her mum. Sleep peacefully Jasmine, you've touched the hearts of so many of us. Remember to send your Mummy a rainbow so she knows you are safe. xxxx
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So sorry to hear the sad news Karen, it's a heartbraking decision to have to make but I'm sure you've done the right thing for her. We are all here for you :hug:
The Greatest Gift
I always knew this time would come,
From the very instant our eyes first met.
How I loved you then! How I love you now!
I made a promise then, and I will keep that promise now...
You will not suffer from a pain that will not heal;
You will not know the loss of a life remembered, now gone.
It is for me alone to make this decision,
The price for the bright joy and pure laughter
You brought me during the time we shared.
I am the only one who can decide when it is time.
When my hope dies, and my fear rides high,
Just when I need you most, I must let you go.
It is for you alone to tell me when you are ready
For without your guidance, I will not know
When to lay my grief, my guilt, my anger
My sorrow and my selfish heart aside
And give you this last gift, this greatest gift.
Your eyes will speak to mine, and I will know.
The pain of this moment is excruciating.
Tears stream down my face in a river of sorrow.
And my heart drowns in a pool of grief.
For you have spoken and I have listened,
And unlike other decisions I have made
This one brings no relief...no comfort...no peace.
For if there´s one thing you´ve taught me,
If there´s only one thing I´ve learned...
Unconditional love has a condition after all,
I must be willing to let you go, when you speak to me
I must be willing to help you go, if you cannot go alone.
And I must accept my pain so you can be free of yours.
Go easily now, go quickly now,
Do not linger here, it is time for you to leave.
Go find your strength, go find your youth.
Go find the ones who've gone before you.
You are free to leave me now, free to let your spirit soar
Rest easy now, your pain will soon be gone.
I pray I will find comfort in my memories...
In the dark and lonely days ahead.
I cannot say I will not miss you, I cannot say I will not cry.
For only my tears can heal my broken heart.
But, I promise you this; as long as I live,
You will live, alive in my mind, forever in my heart.
So I give you this last gift, all I have left to give,
And this will be my greatest gift...sending you away.
It is the measure of my unconditional love...
For only the greatest love can say,
"Good-bye, go find the bridge, we'll meet again,
Loving you has been the greatest gift of all."
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I cannot express how sad I am. Karen honey I am so so sorry and that you have had to go through this. I wish I could have been there with you to help you. You are truly a loving mum and you did what was best for Jasmine in the end. Lots of love and hugs xxxx
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sorry to hear such a sad outcome.
Take care of yourself and the kittens Karen.
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My sincere condolences Karen. What a special brave little lady Jasmine was and so sorry she wasn't able to pull through.
You were a wonderful Mummy and gave her the best chance she could have had and we all admire you for it :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
She touched each and everyone of our hearts and will live on the forefront of my heart for a long time even though I never knew her. How lucky she was to have blessed with a wonderful, wonderful meowmy like you
Play hard at the bridge Jasmine, now you can run and catch the butterflies with all your friends past and present love to you Jasmine from all my babies and a special cyber hug to you Karen from me and mine
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Oh, I'm so sad to hear this. Karen, Jasmine was so lucky to have you to give her every chance and to be brave enough to let go when she needed to.
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So sorry Karen, Ive mailed you privately.
RIP Jasmine..Have fun running and jumping at the bridge.
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Karen out thoughts are with you at this most sad time. You made the hardest decision any of us has ever to make when it comes to our beloved fur babes
Only ever borrowed never owned but always a pawprint in your heart
We are here for you and now Jasmine is free from pain and whole again and watching over you and her babies from the bridge
So sorry for your loss you were both so strong and brave
Liz, Robin and the Clan Cats :( :hug:
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Karen - my heartfelt and tearful condolences go out to you :hug: :hug: :hug:
What is important is that Jasmine had a very special mummy that she let into her life and who made her very happy. Everything happens for a reason, and little Jasmine came to you carrying her precious babies, that you might care for and love them as much as she did, and in whom her spirit lives on :)
She will watch over you and the kitties from the Bridge, and play there happily until you meet again.
Sweet dreams, Jasmine.
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Im so terribly sorry karen
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u made the right decsion hun
we are all here for u if and when u need to talk :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
RIP darling jasmine
u were so loved by ur fantastic loving caring mummy
and u will be so sorely missed
send a rainbow to ur mummy and babies to let em know ur ok
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Karen, so sorry to hear the news. It must have been a difficult time. Rest in the knowledge that she is with you always in spirit and physically through her kittens.
Thinking of you Karen.
Sweet dreams Jasmine. xxx
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Oh Karen, am so so sorry for your loss. :hug:
RIP Little One, Have fun at Rainbow Bridge
ems
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My thoughts are with you, Karen. I am so sorry for your loss.
xChristine
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Very sorry to read this :'( What a shame she deteriorated but at least she's free from pain now and will be playing happily at rainbow bridge with the other bridge babes. RIP Jasmine.
Thinking of you, karen :hug: It must have been devastating for you but you did the right thing by Jasmine. You cared for her so well when she had her babies and did everything possible for her following the attack.
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So sorry for your loss, Karen. You've done the kindest thing we can do for our cats, but parting is so sad.
She's playing on the bridge and snuggling into Bastet's tummy, safe and whole again. You gave her love and a safe loving home for her kittens.
Take good care of yourself. The kittens need you.
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I am so sorry, my thoughts are with you and your family at this sad time.
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Im so sorry to hear this.
RIP Jasmine play well at the bridge little one
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love
Tab
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Karen, I am so sorry - my thoughts are with you. Jasmine was beautiful - you and her were blessed to have found one another and been able to share in her beloved babies. You have done everything you possibly could for her and of course will do the same for her kittens. Many cats never know such love, even for a short time. Take care.
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Oh Karen words aren't enough to say how upsetting this is. We all got to know the beautiful Jas when she came into your life and ours through here. She brought a glow and something very special. You have loved her when noone else would and she chose you to be her mum cause she knew what a wonderful carring person you are. She gave you her trust with herself and her babies. You gave her the best, the security, love and care any stray needy cat would yern for. Jas will always be with you, she will always be in your heart. Talk to her whanever you want cause she will hear. She will be your guardian angel, whatching over you and her babies from up on the bridge. No pain, only fun and happiness. One day you will be with her again, one day you will hear her purr again. What a day that will be hun. :)
Sending you lots of hugs :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: Give a cuddle to the little ones for us, they will carry her sprit.
Jas have fun on the bridge sweetheart. We will miss you very much. :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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aww my thoughts are with you.
rest in peace lil jasmine
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Karen, I'm so sorry. It's tragic that such an awful thing could happen due to someone elses thoughtlessness.
RIP, Jasmine. Karen loved you very much and will miss you.
It's almost as if fate left the kittens as a legacy.
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Karen i am so so sorry to hear this sad news. :'(
^Jasmine^ was such a special cat, i almost felt like i knew her.
She was so lucky to have found you as her Mummy and she will forever live on in her babies.
R.I.P Sweet ^Jasmine^
Michelle xxxxx
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So sorry to hear the news :hug: :hug:
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i forgot to add in my last post
darling jasmine is now reunited with her baby boy lucas and they will both be playing on the bridge together
and will always look over u and the dalring kittens karen :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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I just remembered that about Lucas a little while ago. That makes me feel a bit better.
She had a very bad night on Saturday night, she had very bad diarrhoea and wasn't able to clean herself properly, so had been trailing her little bum along the floor and it was really sore. I could see her going downhill more and I know she was very unhappy with how she was, to keep on pushing in hope of a miracle really wasn't fair to her.
I am so devastated.
Thanks alot for all your messages. I'll write more in a day or two.
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all my love and thoughts karen :( you did your very best for jasmin x
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we are all devastated for u hun :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
dont forget we are all hear if u need a chat or anything
having lost a much loved cat in simular circumstances i do understand how u feel
u gave jasmine more love care and attention in those few months than what many cats get in their whole life time
she choose u as she knew u would make the best mummy ever and she knew she could trust u to help her give birth to her darling kittens
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: take care karen
we are all thinking of u hun
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Karen I'm so sorry :(
You know you did the best. :hug:
Take care of yourself and the babies x
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Karen I am so sorry :'( You and Jasmine have been so brave, but now she'll be happy, free of pain and be able to run and play freely again.
Look after yourself and the babies, they will make you and Jas so proud :Luv:
xxx
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oh karen, i'm so so sorry to read this.... we were all willing so hard for beautiful jasmine to recover well, so sorry it wasnt to be... you did so well for her, never forget that - she wont.
you and the kittens look after eachother and jasmine will be watching as she plays on the bridge. RIP darling jasmine xxx
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Karen I am so very sorry, I wished so hard but she is safe on the Bridge now. :hug: :hug: :hug:
RIP Jasmine, play hard and have fun. Too young to go but you were such a good mother to your kittens and you will be always remembered and missed.
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So sorry to hear about Jasmine. You did the kindest thing and spared her from pain and stress. She was loved & cared for right until the end.
RIP Jasmine
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Karen, I was so hoping this wouldn't have to happen for you. My heart goes out to you, and to beautiful Jasmine. :candle:
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Karen,
So very sad to hear this awful news let Jasmines spirit live on in her little babies.
RIP Jamine xxx
We are all here for you if you need us
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Karen, thinking of you x
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Karen, thinking of you x
Same here :hug:
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im also thinking of u hun :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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So sorry to hear this Karen, thinking of you all.
Sleep tight little Jasmine
x
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:hug: :hug: :hug: Karen :hug: :hug: :hug:
RIP Jasmine.....play hard at the bridge....all our bridge babes are waiting for you :(
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Karen
I've being following this thread but from a distance but I just wanted to say i'm so sorry for your pain right now. My thoughts are with you. RIP little Jasmine.
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Thanks alot for the good wishes, everyone.
I wanted to share the last photo I took of her. The night before I took her into bed with me, cuddled, kissed and talked to her all night long. She purred like a motorbike as she always did. It was very rare to hear her meow but her purr made up for it.
I really miss her.
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w70/alilbirdiesaid/28052007411.jpg)
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a truely beautiful angel :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Thanks for sharing Karen. She really was a beautiful girl taken too soon.
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That's a beautiful photo Karen, she was a special little girl :hug:
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A lovely way to remember her Karen, comfy and purring on her mummys knee.
Thoughts are with you.
Claire xxx
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Karen a lovely photograph of Jasmine and the best way to remember her as Mummy's little purr monster
Again our thoughts are with you time will ease the pain but the loss is always heartfelt
Again our thoughts are with you
Robin, Liz and the clan
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Thanks alot for the good wishes, everyone.
I wanted to share the last photo I took of her. The night before I took her into bed with me, cuddled, kissed and talked to her all night long. She purred like a motorbike as she always did. It was very rare to hear her meow but her purr made up for it.
I really miss her.
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w70/alilbirdiesaid/28052007411.jpg)
Karen how lucky you were to have her the little darling and how lucky she was to have had such a lovely, wonderful meowmy
Playing at the bridge with her baby and friends always and forever :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
xx
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I Thought u may like this poem karen :hug:
i thought it was rather nice
Please dont cry
please dont feel guilty
it was my time to go
i see u r feeling sad
and the tears just seem to flow
we all come to earth for our lifetime
and for some its not many months or many years
i dont want u to keep crying
you are shedding so many tears
i havent really left you ,even though it may seem so
i have just come to my heavenly home and im closer to you than u know
just believe that when you say my name im standing next to you
i know u long to see me but theres nothing i can do
but ill send u messages
and hope u understand that when ur time comes ill be waiting there to take ur hand .
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So sorry to hear the news about Jasmine :hug:
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That poem is beautiful, Lisa. Thank you.
Moved to avoid stepping on Meeko earlier, fell down the stairs and put my back out. Great week so far!
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Awww, Karen. You're not having a good time of it at all. Hope things improve for you very soon. :care:
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awww karen :hug: :hug:
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Karen, I saw this out of my window earlier - think it might have been from Jasmine and her new friends at the bridge :)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/Bagonabike/Rainbow1.jpg)
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Karen,
I am soooo sorry I have only just caught up with this thread.
Please accept my sincere and heartfelt condolences at this terrible time. Jasmine was a lucky girl to have had you as a mummy and I know she will be pleased you are looking after her kittens.
RIP Jasmine .... you have touched so many hearts and will be missed by all of us. Play hard at the bridge baby.
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p99/Fussy_furball/February%202007/c05.jpg)
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So sorry to hear this awful news.
Rest in peace Jasmine :RIP:
hugs to you Karen :hug:
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What a gorgeous picture, at least it is something nice to look back on, and obviously you still have her babies. Fingers crossed your back gets better soon.
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What a great picture of Jasmine and one to remember her.
Hope your back gets better quick :hug:
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Thinking of you :hug:
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So so sorry Karen, she was such a beautiful cat :(
R I P Jasmine :Luv: