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Title: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Jasmine on January 08, 2007, 17:55:00 PM
I'm feeling very shaky & tearful today, as it appears I will soon have to say 'Goodbye' to my gorgeous old boy, Reg.

I have been worried about him since Christmas & thought something was up, as he had lost some weight, but was eating less (when you would normally expect the opposite in cats with hyperthyroidism).

I took him to the vets 28th Dec & they took a blood sample to check his T4 levels which were fine.
Last week he went back for full bloods & the results today confirmed his kidneys are failing fast (a bit of a shock, when he had full bloods in both Feb & Oct of last year and they were all-clear).

He has a creatinine level of 400 & urea 39, so has been admitted for fluids & repeat bloods on Weds.
The vet says if the results don't improve, we will have to consider pts.

Does anyone with experience of CRF know if a cat with this level of toxins can improve and poss enjoy a further few months of life?
I obviously don't want him to suffer unduly, but I do want to do everything I can.

Jasmine
 :( 
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 08, 2007, 17:58:05 PM
So sorry ti hear about Reggie, I cant help you wth the question but am sure some of the others will
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 08, 2007, 18:23:50 PM
Sorry to hear about Reg,

Best place to start is www.felinecrf.org - widely considered to be the CRF 'bible' and I've found it incredibly helpful. There is a lot of info on that site though and its a lot to take in at once, so you might want to focus on the things relevant to you i.e. the actual blood results numbers and what they mean, improving appetite and treatments.

Even with those high numbers (my Suzie was crea 359 and urea 26.5 when diagnosed a few months ago- so not as high) there are still treatments and if your vet is open to you giving subcutaneous fluids at home, that can be a good option. Hopefully, the IV fluids he's having at the vets may help bring those numbers down a bit.

Best wishes.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 08, 2007, 18:27:50 PM
If you go to this sites links......health you will also find another good guide  ;D
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Elaine on January 08, 2007, 18:46:20 PM
So very sorry to hear this Jasmine about poor Reggie.  His numbers show that he is at a critical stage of CRF but please dont lose hope yet.  Much depends on how he copes in himself with the fluids etc.  Although his numbers are very high and indicate 90% loss of kidney function, there have been cats that have been able to cope quite well.
http://www.felinecrf.org/how_bad_is_it.htm
The above link will take you to the page that explains things better than I can.
Will be thinking of you both xxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Team Svartalfheims on January 08, 2007, 18:46:54 PM
I don't know much about CRF (only what I've read on here and the Hovel) but huge hugs to you and Reggie. Tiggy's Mum and Elaine on here will be able to give you loads of fab advice as well. xx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Elaine on January 08, 2007, 18:53:43 PM
Jasmine, I also wanted to add, because I know just how you must be feeling right now.  If you would rather talk with some one,  I would be more than happy to listen and offer support at this very distressing time.  If you want then please feel free to e-mail me. e_peery@hotmail.com.  I am not an expert on CRF but certainly been through the mills with this illness.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Christine (Blip) on January 08, 2007, 19:34:07 PM
I'm thinking of you and Reggie, Jasmine. It would be worth dropping a PM to Tiggy'sMum (Helen) as well in case she hasn't seen this thread and seeking her counsel too.

xC
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 08, 2007, 19:47:32 PM
Thinking of you and Reggie Jasmine  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 08, 2007, 22:55:35 PM
I think everyone is thinking of you and Reggie and giving loads os good thoughts for him  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Ellie on January 08, 2007, 22:58:45 PM
Sending you and Reggie lots of love and positive vibes  :hug: :hug:

As Gill said we are all thinking of you both xxxxxxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Jasmine on January 08, 2007, 22:59:36 PM
Thank you for all your kind words & support.

Linda, I have been following your post about the Bengals & am so pleased they are now recovering, my thoughts are with Teresa's Cringle too.
Elaine, a special thanks for your message, I will email you.

Reggie, really is a dear old puss, I adopted him almost 2 years ago from the CP.
He was a stray, found in a dreadful state, living under a car, estimated age 13+, so I knew when I took him on, I might only have him for a short time & would have to be prepared for the inevitable, but now that that time is nearing, it doesn't make it any easier.

I do so hope he has a little extra time for love & cuddles, to investigate the fridge & enjoy sunbathing in the garden, he so deserves it.
Thanks again.

J
x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Roz on January 08, 2007, 23:27:12 PM
Hello Jasmine,

I hope with all my heart that dear Reggie does get to explore the fridge and sunbathe again....a life shared with an animal is never long enough.  It would seem that we are only allowed these precious little souls for a very short time, but they burn so bright during that time, and the flame is never extinguished in our hearts.

I will keep Reggie in my thoughts and remember him in my prayers along with all the other poor little babes fighting for their lives right now.

Try to visit Reggie if you can...this always helps them enormously...even if they don't show it at the time.

Lots of love to you both,

Roz

Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Mimi (Mewg) on January 08, 2007, 23:32:56 PM
So sorry to hear about Reggie, Jasmine.........sending hugs and positive vibes your way....

Love from Mimi, Libby, Nellie and Phoebe xxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on January 09, 2007, 00:10:26 AM
Hi Jasmine

Only just logged in to see this, so sorry to hear about Reggie, I know you must be terribly worried about him at the moment but I just wanted to try and reassure you that CRF can be managed.  His numbers are fairly high but being on IV could see those come down dramatically, it could be that Reggie requires several days of IV therapy to help him through this peak so please try not to be too disheartened if things don't improve immediately.  He really is in the best place at the moment.

The most important thing at the moment is to educate yourself abot CRF, it can be really overwhelming as there is so much to learn but I second or third the recommendation for the site www.felinecrf.org , it has been written by a lady from the UK (who now lives in the US) and is in layman's terms so is easy to digest.

There are lots of things that can be done to help Reggie and rather than overwhelm you now with all different aspects maybe when you have taken in some of what is on the website and  have any specific questions then perhaps one of us here on purrs can try and answer your query, none of us are vets but we have cared for cats with CRF and can give you advice based on our own experiences.

I have also had excellent advice from an email based CRF Yahoo group, most of the members are in the US but they are very knowledgable and supportive. 

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/


I have copied the exert below from the CRF bible and I think it sums CRF up perfectly, Tiggy (18 3/4) has been diagnosed for over 18 months now, her blood test were mid range when diagnosed and through various treatments she is now within normal range for all values so please don't give up hope for little Reggie.

Sadly, yes, CRF is terminal. BUT that does not necessarily mean death is imminent: it is often possible to buy the cat months or even years of quality life. In fact, with appropriate treatment, quite a few CRF cats not only live for a long time, they eventually die of other causes, with the CRF firmly under control at the time of death.

An analogy used by my vet is that a CRF cat is approaching the edge of a precipice: the cat may approach the precipice very slowly, taking years to reach it; the cat may approach quite quickly; whichever way the cat approaches the precipice, it may be possible to grab the cat and pull him/her back even after he/ she has started to fall over the edge, and this could be done several times if you move quickly enough.

Thinking of you both, feel free to PM or email me if you need to talk things over x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 09, 2007, 09:37:46 AM
Hi Jasmine, how is Reggie doing today?
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on January 09, 2007, 09:57:10 AM
Sending lots of positive vibes reggies way
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 09, 2007, 11:52:54 AM
HAve only just caught up with this, but am sending lots of positive thoughts that the vets can get him over this peak and that you can have some quality time together. Big hugs to you.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: tab on January 09, 2007, 12:40:06 PM
Ive only just seen this but I really hope the fluids have helped and his levels are more normal now.
Purrs from Mogs and Amber and hugs from me that hes well soon
love
Tab
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Christine (Blip) on January 09, 2007, 12:48:40 PM
How is everything today?
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on January 09, 2007, 14:01:53 PM
Any news on little Reggie today?
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Jasmine on January 09, 2007, 18:38:39 PM
Hello everyone,

I have spoken to the veterinary nurse about Reggie twice today.
He is sleeping a lot (that's quite normal!) but is bright and responsive when awake, purring for England.
They have tried him on the special renal food, which apparently he loves - so much so, he has eaten 4 pouches of it already!

D-Day is tomorrow though, when they repeat the blood tests.
They may have the results late pm, but I may have to wait until Thurs am.

Thanks ever so much again for all your kind messages and to those that have provided info & link to the website, which I have been studying.
I will let you know of any developments.

Jasmine
X
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Elaine on January 09, 2007, 18:53:53 PM
Good for Reggie.  CRF is an emotional rollercoaster but the numbers are variable, hopefully there will be a significant change in the kidney values tomorrow when he is properly rehydrated.  Thinking of you both xxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Ellie on January 09, 2007, 19:32:47 PM
Hi Jasmine glad to hear that Reggie is feeling better  :hug:

Sending him lots of love and positive vibes xxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Christine (Blip) on January 09, 2007, 21:33:52 PM
Fingers crossed, Jasmine. I like the sound of his healthy appetite - keep us posted.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 09, 2007, 23:09:16 PM
Good luck tomorrow Jasmine, thinking of you and Reggie x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 10, 2007, 00:35:44 AM
well I reckon he cant be too bad if he is eating like that, Hope everything goes well for reggie tomorrow  :hug:
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 10, 2007, 07:52:00 AM
Fingers crossed that the results are a lot better.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Tan on January 10, 2007, 11:59:51 AM
Hoping the blood tests today are good news Jas. Sending my  love and positive thoughts  :hug: :hug:  :Luv:
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: tab on January 10, 2007, 12:18:11 PM
I hope the tests are good news
 :hug:
love
Tab
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Parée on January 10, 2007, 13:09:51 PM
Jasmine, I hope the tests for Reggie. Are a lot better day, and you can take him back home with you,
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on January 10, 2007, 14:17:11 PM
Keeping everything crossed for Reggie today x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on January 10, 2007, 18:56:20 PM
Really hoping its good news for Reggie
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 10, 2007, 19:14:28 PM
Jasmine, have you seen Reggie today?  How's he doing?  Love to you both. x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Jasmine on January 10, 2007, 19:30:17 PM
Reggie's test results are back, some good news the creatinine is down to 290 & urea 29.
However, I spoke to the senior partner & he said the prognosis is still poor, he estimates a 95% loss of kidney function and thinks he will last about a week.

I discussed giving sub cutaneous fluids at home, he really wasn't keen, but wonderfully, has agreed to a trial.
He is a very easy going, laid back & trustful cat, so I'm hoping this may work & help a little.
I have an appointment tomorrow to learn the technique & bring Reggie home. 

I then have to make that judgement call before he suffers too much, but while he is still eating heartily, has use of faculties & doesn't appear in too much discomfort, I feel I owe it to him to give him a little more time & I am at home all day to nurse & monitor any deterioration.

This is a very sad time, especially as it is almost 2 years ago (18th) Jan that I had to have my beloved Smudge pts (cancer).
I'm wondering whether this beautiful boy will cross the bridge the same day.

Here is a picture of Reg, along with mini Reggette & greatest fan, Wilkie (she is drawn to his purr & often gives his ears a good old wash, so I expect he will have that to look forward to tomorrow!)

J.

 

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Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Roz on January 10, 2007, 19:54:30 PM
Oh Jasmine,

I'm so sorry to read that dear Reggie has so little time but good for you for giving him every chance and hopefully he will live to confound all the vets...they often do! 

He looks adorable and so does his 'double' Wilke.  I will continue to pray for him and I hope he makes a spectacular improvement that will give him a longer time with you.  I think those figures have come down remarkably from what they were a couple of days ago.

C'mon Reggie...you're doing great.......keep it up sweetheart.

Lots of love to you all

Roz
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Elaine on January 10, 2007, 20:24:07 PM
Hiya Jasmine, Reggies numbers have reduced considerably and hopefully they will continue to decrease with sub-q's at home.  Did you see Reggie today?  How did he look to you?  CRF is a very complex issue.  Some cats can crash and all looks hopeless, then with a little care and attention they can seem ok again.  Like I said before its an emotional roller coaster.  I know, I have been there.  My Winston had his ups and downs and I thought I was gonna lose him so many times before I finally had to say goodbye.  2 and a half years we muddled through with CRF, my first vet never gave any encouragement and always talked to me like Winston was gonna die any day.  For the last year or so Winston had Creatinine of 377 and urea of 18.  He was diagnosed at the age of 18 and a half and died at the age of 21.  He was a very placid and gentle boy who trusted me implicitly.  Unfortunately the last 2 weeks of his life he spent mostly at the vets as he kept crashing and nothing could keep him stable.  I decided, at his grand age and long well loved life, it wasnt fair to put him through any more and let him go.  Still breaks my heart to this day but I know I always did right by him just as you will with Reggie.
Just wanted to tell you that so you know where I am coming from and you know that I do understand.
I wish you both well and you are both in my thoughts.
Lots of love and best wishes
Elaine xxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Ellie on January 10, 2007, 20:35:42 PM
Oh Jasmine  :hug: :hug:

Enjoy every minute you and Reggie have together.

What a lovely photo and he is so handsome xx

Sending you Reggie and Wilkie lots of love and hugs xxxx



Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 10, 2007, 21:16:21 PM
Big hugs Jasmine  :hug: 
Enjoy every precious moment you have left with your gorgeous Reggie.
Thinking of you both,

Love Linda x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 11, 2007, 00:21:11 AM
Reggie is gorgeous, Enjoy him to the full and I do hope that he will astound the vet  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on January 11, 2007, 01:11:56 AM
Hi Jasmine

Really glad to hear that Reggie has improved, he is a little babe - I love the idea of him having a 'regette' too  :rofl:

I was wondering whether your vet talked to you about the drug Fortekor?  Tiggy takes this and has done since July 05, at diagnosis she had results of Creatinine 312 and Urea 35.  Her results have gone down at every test and at her last test (Oct 06) her results were creatinine 97 and urea 9.8 which is actually within the correct range!  It's not a wonder drug and may not be suitable in all cases but I think Tiggy's results speak for themselves.  It has to be taken forever but it's not particularly expensive at £10.92 for a months supply from vetuk.

http://www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#ACEI

I think it's great news that your vet is open to sub-Q's, they can be so important in managing CRF.  Here's a really indepth guide to giving fluids at home - sub-Q's, it may be that your vet teaches you a method using a syringe instead of the normal method which is from a bag and line in which case the link below may not make much sense!

http://www.felinecrf.org/fluid_therapy.htm


Like Gill said, I really hope Reggie proves your vet wrong.  Whatever happens you know that we are all here for you x




Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 11, 2007, 08:02:24 AM
Aww, I do hope that with your love and care, you can prove the vets wrong. Good luck, and do keep us updated.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Bobjay on January 11, 2007, 08:03:07 AM
So very sorry to hear about darling Reggy. Thinking of you at this difficult time but you are obviously doing all you possibly can and you can't do more. This puss is in good hands, whatever the outcome and when.

Bob
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 11, 2007, 14:22:05 PM
Jasmine, his numbers have come down nicely, I wonder why your vet only thinks he has a short time? However, its fantastic that your vet is open to subQs and will teach you how to give them - i've probably got that to come with my Suzie, but at the moment she's very stable with higher numbers than Reg now! Its also a good sign that Reg is eating heartily - hope he continues to do well, I'm sure he will with your love and care.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Christine (Blip) on January 11, 2007, 15:35:28 PM
Have you been able to bring Reggie home as planned, Jasmine?
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Jasmine on January 11, 2007, 18:00:51 PM
Hello everyone,

Yes, Reggie is back home, but I got a shock when I saw him, the poor boy really is a shadow of his old self.
He has had a little to eat & I've spent 45 mins running the shower gently for him as he laps water up from his paws, and he is now asleep on a bed on the landing, a quiet corner.  Of course, the last few days must have taken some toll on him & he might perk up tomorrow after some rest.

I saw yet another vet this morning, who did try and deter us from the home fluid therapy again, but nevertheless was very kind & patient in showing me how it is done.  I have to say I didn't realise quite how many times I would have to inject him, as he sad I can only administer 20mls at a time (he needs 80/100mls a day for any benefit at all) and it's a large needle.  However, the vet was surprised how patient Reg was with us, I told him this is the cat who lays on his back whilst I give him a full pedicure for 20 mins!...so I am going to try this on my own later, but in all honesty I'm not sure if I want Reg to end his days as a pin cushion!

Yes, you would think the results would give more hope, but he really doesn't look happy at the mo I'm afraid.

J
x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Christine (Blip) on January 11, 2007, 18:10:01 PM
I'd give it a little while - he must be so stressed, poor thing and, as you rightly say, you'll get a better idea about everything tomorrow. I'm sure the experienced folk will be able to offer more practical advice; I've got my fingers crossed for Reggie.

xC
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 11, 2007, 19:14:33 PM
Hi Jasmine

So, the needle stays in place while your'e adminstering the 100ml? and you fill all the sryinges and then attach them to the needle each time - is that right? That looked like an easier method than the bag system,  I thought. I expect it will take a bit of getting used to - but if  Reg accepts it ok, thats half the battle.

Hope he does perk up, I'm sure he will now he's back in familiar surroundings with you to look after him.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 11, 2007, 22:46:47 PM
Hey Jasmine,

How you doing?  I've been thinking of you and Reggie today.  Thanks for the update, I'm hoping that Reggie will be happier & perk up tomorrow after some rest.
Lots of love to you both,

Linda xxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 11, 2007, 22:50:01 PM
All my thoughts with you and Reggie  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 11, 2007, 22:54:31 PM
Fingers crossed he perks up a lot now he is back at home - and a lot of vets seem very pessimistic about CRF, so fingers crossed he defies them all.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Ellie on January 11, 2007, 23:21:08 PM
Sending you and Reggie lots of  :hug: and love xx

We are all thinking of you xx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on January 11, 2007, 23:41:31 PM
Glad Reggie is back home, it must have been very stressful for him being at the vets, hopefully he will perk up now that he is back home with such a loving caring Mum.  Did you get a chance to read the info on Fortekor?  If it's something you think could help Reggie then maybe you could discuss it with your vet on the phone to save Reggie having to go in again.

Please keep us updated on how Reggie is doing, keeping everything crossed for him x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 12, 2007, 21:54:08 PM
Hi Jasmine,

How is Reggie doing today?  Hope he is a bit more settled poor baby.  Sending you both big hugs   :hug: :hug:

Love Linda x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Jasmine on January 13, 2007, 00:31:24 AM
Hello,

I'm pleased to report Reg has been on great form today (yesterday now), vocally demanding food & plodding round the garden on a couple of occasions.
He even got the conundrum on Countdown... ok, that's a porky!

However, as he is brighter & stronger, so the injections are more difficult.
Last night went very smoothly, but today has been stressful as he has reacted to the needle & wriggled, my OH has almost been in tears, he thinks we are being cruel, I keep questioning myself.  Relations are strained.

Gillian, I'm using the syringe & needle method and the vet has told me to inject no more than 20 mls in any one spot, so that means minimum of 4 injections, ideally 5 a day, not good.

Tiggys' Mum, I've had a look at that drug you mentioned, thank you for mentioning it, but I see the research is inconclusive.  I'm not discounting it out of hand, I just don't know at present what intervention/management really is best for Reg & what timescale we are looking at.

Thank you to everyone who has Reggie in their thoughts.

J. 
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on January 13, 2007, 01:05:09 AM
Go Reggie! Glad to hear he is feeling brighter  ;D

Sorry to hear that you are struggling with the fluids, I don't know too much about giving sub-Q's but I would post a question to the CRF Yahoo group (mention UK in the heading as they try their best to help us knowing how far behind our own vets are!).  Obviously your vet knows what he is talking about but having read lots of posts on the Yahoo group about giving Sub-Q's I have to say that is the first time I have heard of having to inject in different places for each dose.  Maybe you could see what other people's experiences are with the syringe method.

Completely understand where you are coming from re the Fortekor.  Helen (another one!), the author of the CRF webiste that I place so much trust in doesn't seem overly enthusiastic about it which I have to say did concern me after I started doing my research.  When Tiggy was diagnosed I was absolutely devastated and if the vet had told me to give her a teaspoon of soap powder a day I would have blindly followed his advice. Tiggy started on Fortekor straight away and by the time I had researched it she had already had another blood test and the results had come down so I chose to stick with it.  When I asked my vet for a prognosis he said 5 -7 months at best (given her age and the fact that she is also a tablet controlled hyperthyroid) but that was 18 months ago and I beieve that the Fortekor has played a big part in this as she has never received fluids.

Keep us posted on how the little man (and his Regette :rofl:) is doing.

Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 13, 2007, 01:46:08 AM
Reggie Definately in my thoughts and those injections sound a real problem.

hope Reggie continues to do well  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Elaine on January 13, 2007, 10:08:29 AM
Hi Jasmine, so glad to hear that Reggie is home and feeling better.
I dont have any experience of giving sub-q's as I couldnt find a vet up here that would show me or even entertain the idea of giving them at home.  As Tiggy's mum has said the Yahoo CRF support group is very good and very knowledgable on these matters.  I have read and spoken to many people who found it very difficult and stressful at first too, so dont dispair coz your not alone.  Alot of people swear by talking with the cat and explaining things to them, I know that sounds daft but I used to do that with Winston when giving him meds etc and my personal feeling is that it did make a difference, especially when trying to get him to eat on his off days.
Fertekor is a contreversial issue but again my personal experience is that it did help to keep Winston stable, along with vitamin supplements such as Pet tinic.
Wish you both the very best for the future. xxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 13, 2007, 11:19:57 AM
Aww, I do hope you can find a happy medium soon.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Christine (Blip) on January 13, 2007, 18:08:24 PM
How's it going today, Jasmine?
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Jasmine on January 14, 2007, 16:56:06 PM
Hi, just a quick update.

Reggie had another good day yesterday, but doesn't have a great appetite today & we think he is constipated.
We have suspended the fluid treatment, as this is just too distressing for him (the max we managed in one day was 3 injections).

I have signed up to the Yahoo group, have yet to find anyone who was been given this advice, I am going to discuss it with another vet in the practice tomorrow.

J.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 14, 2007, 17:14:21 PM
With the syringe method, normally just one needle is put in place, you fill several  syringes to the amount of fluids required from the solution bag, and then each syringe is emptied via a tube to that needle - so therefore should only need ONE injection per day.

Here's where it shows you this method http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm - that sounds much easier doesnt it? and much better for Reg and less stressful for you. That certainly seems to be how many people that do subqs for their cats do it, I'd not heard about not injecting more than 20mls in any one area before.

Hope you get some good advice from the Yahool group.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Amanda (mad4moggies) on January 14, 2007, 17:37:44 PM
Gillian, you need to do more than one injection because the most you can give subcutaneously is 10-20ml/kg/injection site. Also, if you give too much the pressure pushes some of it back out again and it must be a bit uncomfortable. You could also ask the vet for some local anaesthetic such as Emla cream which might help things a little bit. It might be easier to use a butterfly needle which is quite small and Reggie may tolerate it a bit better.

When Reggie had blood tests done did it show if he was anaemic?
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Iluvcritters on January 14, 2007, 19:06:40 PM
I am sending you and the handsome ole boy hugs, purrs and prayers.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 14, 2007, 19:34:15 PM

Yes I see  Amanda -  its about 20ml PER kg of body weight, so the amount depends on the weight of the cat - I get it!  ;D So what happens if you use the bag drip method - is that the same, based on body wieght again?

 
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Amanda (mad4moggies) on January 14, 2007, 22:38:52 PM
Yes, whatever method you use it`s still the same amount that you can put under the skin at any one site. The fluid bag and drip method is quite a good one and you can get different attachments to connect a butterfly needle onto this. I guess it all depends on what the individual cat will tolerate!
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 14, 2007, 22:48:18 PM
Concerning the costipation, and I know many here are likeley to disagree but my bvets recommended what they told me was an old fashioned remedy and that was carnation condensed milk. One teaspoon a day and ai diluted it with warm water so Ducha could drink it.

he wouldnt to start with and then was shouting at me if I didnt leave it for him  :rofl:

he had it for about a week after dental work and it worked!
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Jasmine on January 15, 2007, 15:59:18 PM
Bad news today I'm afraid, we had to take Reggie to the vets this afternoon, his kidneys are now failing fast, he is dehydrated and the toxins are building up & attacking his body, there is simply nothing more we can do for him.

He doesn't appear distressed at present and has even eaten a little food, but we are going to do the kindest thing and have him pts tomorrow morning at home.

Jasmine
X

Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 15, 2007, 16:31:29 PM
oh Jasmine, I'm so sorry to hear this.  Big big hugs to you and your beautiful boy.   :hug:

I so hoped and prayed he would improve. 

Linda x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Amanda (mad4moggies) on January 15, 2007, 16:42:33 PM
Jasmine, i`m so sorry to hear this. Reggie has been so brave. I wish you all the best for tomorrow, you`ll be in my thoughts.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Christine (Blip) on January 15, 2007, 17:52:11 PM
I'm so sorry Jasmine.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 15, 2007, 17:58:18 PM
So very sorry Jasmine, give Reggies a stroke from me  :'(
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 15, 2007, 18:01:02 PM
So very sorry Jasmine, :hug: :hug:  to you both and

 :ahh: to Reggie  :'(
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Elaine on January 15, 2007, 19:07:20 PM
I am so very sorry Jasmine.  It takes great courage to make this decision and we all know you havent made it lightly.  You know Reggie better than any one else and you fought hard for him.  No one can ever take that away from you.
Stay strong Jasmine, I know it hurts.xxx
Please give Reggie a big cuddle from me for being such a brave and beautifull kitty. xxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 15, 2007, 19:21:31 PM
Very sorry to hear this Jasmine  :(
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on January 15, 2007, 19:27:41 PM
So sorry to hear this Jasmine, will be thinking of you tomorrow.  You are giving Reggie the greatest gift...

The Greatest Gift

I always knew this time would come,
From the very instant our eyes first met.
How I loved you then! How I love you now!
I made a promise then, and I will keep that promise now...
You will not suffer from a pain that will not heal;
You will not know the loss of a life remembered, now gone.

It is for me alone to make this decision,
The price for the bright joy and pure laughter
You brought me during the time we shared.
I am the only one who can decide when it is time.
When my hope dies, and my fear rides high,
Just when I need you most, I must let you go.

It is for you alone to tell me when you are ready
For without your guidance, I will not know
When to lay my grief, my guilt, my anger
My sorrow and my selfish heart aside
And give you this last gift, this greatest gift.
Your eyes will speak to mine, and I will know.

The pain of this moment is excruciating.
Tears stream down my face in a river of sorrow.
And my heart drowns in a pool of grief.
For you have spoken and I have listened,
And unlike other decisions I have made
This one brings no relief...no comfort...no peace.

For if there´s one thing you´ve taught me,
If there´s only one thing I´ve learned...
Unconditional love has a condition after all,
I must be willing to let you go, when you speak to me
I must be willing to help you go, if you cannot go alone.
And I must accept my pain so you can be free of yours.

Go easily now, go quickly now,
Do not linger here, it is time for you to leave.
Go find your strength, go find your youth.
Go find the ones who've gone before you.
You are free to leave me now, free to let your spirit soar
Rest easy now, your pain will soon be gone.

I pray I will find comfort in my memories...
In the dark and lonely days ahead.
I cannot say I will not miss you, I cannot say I will not cry.
For only my tears can heal my broken heart.
But, I promise you this; as long as I live,
You will live, alive in my mind, forever in my heart.

So I give you this last gift, all I have left to give,
And this will be my greatest gift...sending you away.
It is the measure of my unconditional love...
For only the greatest love can say,
"Good-bye, go find the bridge, we'll meet again,
Loving you has been the greatest gift of all.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 15, 2007, 21:59:28 PM
Thinking of you and Reggie, Jasmine. 
I'm here for you if you need someone to talk to.

Love Linda x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: sonya on January 15, 2007, 22:09:34 PM
Will be thinking of you both tomorrow Jasmine , so sorry to hear about Reggie

Sonya
 x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: smudgepickles on January 15, 2007, 22:09:59 PM
Jasmine

my heart goes out to you and me and my fur babies will be thinking of you and thinking of Reggie crossing the bridge tomorrow the brave little boy he has been

God bless little man how lucky you are to have such a lovely, lovely Mummy I have asked smudge and Pickles to look out for you at the bridge and take care of you for Mummy

Love and hugs Jasmine

Helen

xxx

Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: ChrisB on January 15, 2007, 22:11:09 PM
So sorry Jasmine, thinking of you and lots of love to Reggie.   You could not have done or loved him more.   XX
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on January 15, 2007, 23:28:05 PM
Just catching up on threads as been away for weekend.

Jasmine i am so sorry to hear that Reggie will be crossing to the Bridge tomorrow -
I will be thinking of you both tomorrow i promise

Much love and many hugs
Michelle xxxxxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Ellie on January 15, 2007, 23:39:32 PM
Jasmine I am so sorry to hear about Reggie xx

You, Reggie and your family will be in our thoughts tomorrow xx

All our love and hugs from Me, Mupps and Rascal xxxxxxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 16, 2007, 07:43:45 AM
I am so incredibly sorry to hear this, but thank you for giving him this final act, it is such a hard thing to do, but done for their needs. Big hugs for you today.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 16, 2007, 08:52:59 AM
Jasmine, thinking of you and Reggie today x
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: clarenmax on January 16, 2007, 09:10:10 AM
Thinking of you today  :hug:
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: tab on January 16, 2007, 09:25:16 AM
Im so sorry
Thinking of you both  :hug:
love
Tab
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: smudgepickles on January 16, 2007, 09:35:24 AM
Will be thinking of you both today

Be happy at the bridge reggie go play,play,play

kisses from me and head kisses and purssssss  love from Bella, Milo, Gizmo,Louis,Thomas,Sophie,Daisy,  Elle  and Tabitha

xxxxxxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Bobjay on January 16, 2007, 11:22:30 AM
Desperately sorry to hear this but you did all you could and more. Dear Reg is now at the Bridge, no more pain and suffering; he's fine now and waiting for you.

Bob
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on January 16, 2007, 11:27:31 AM
So sorry to read this :(  RIP Reggie - there will be no more pain now and all the other bridge babes will welcome you at the Bridge.

Thinking of you today, Jasmine.  Even though you know it's the right thing to do it still hurts like hell.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on January 16, 2007, 12:28:17 PM
(((((( Jasmine and Reggie ))))))
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on January 16, 2007, 20:50:49 PM
Thinking of you tonight Jasmine.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Roz on January 17, 2007, 19:00:00 PM
I'm so sorry to hear about dear Reggie, Jasmine.  You tried so hard for him and he did really well for a few days.  It is so unfair...poor little babe.

He will be at peace now, with no more pain and will be bright and beautiful and young again.  He will always be close to you and you will be reunited with him again one day....I'm certain of it.

R.I.P. Reggie, sweetheart.  You were dearly loved.....go play in the flower-filled meadows beyond and watch over your mum who will miss you so much.

Thinking of you Jasmine

Lots of love

Roz
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Jasmine on January 20, 2007, 18:19:47 PM
Hello again,

Just wanted to say one final thank you, on behalf of Reg, my OH & myself for all your messages of support & sympathy, they have meant so much to us over this past week.

Reggie, crossed the Bridge, at 3.30 on Tuesday pm.
He has since been privately cremated & his ashes are now home.
In the summer, when nature is in full bloom and the sun high in the sky, he will be scattered in our garden.

God Bless our Darling Boy, you are truly loved & missed.

J & P
xxx
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 20, 2007, 18:25:05 PM
i am so sorry thought I had added my condolences but not.

RIP Reggie, I bet its a lot warmer up on the Bridge than down here so play hard little man.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 21, 2007, 10:21:51 AM
RIP little one, you had wonderful parents who did their best for you, let them know from time to time that you are fine.
Title: Re: Reggie, diagnosed CRF & hospitalised.
Post by: Mimi (Mewg) on January 21, 2007, 19:07:40 PM
So sorry to hear about poor Reggie, Jasmine.

RIP Reggie.......play hard at the bridge little one.