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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2011, 13:17:04 PM »
I would consider having these two fostered for a while till you guys get on your feet and sort things out. The baby and your relationship must come first and if this means a new home for the cats then so be it. If they could be fostered then brought back in a bit then that would be good but you won't know if they will revert to the old habits again.


Oh here we go with the usual platitudes.

The OP wanted to work WITH the moggies - not fob them off now something new and shiny's come along. I get really sick of people immediately jumping to the "get rid of pet evil evil evil" now a baby's on the scene and it was heartwarming to see someone actually trying to make a go of it instead.

Really really gets my goat.

Shows you don't know this forum or the people on it very well !

Mazlin-
I'm really sorry that things are still bad with the girls.
I am tending to agree that you have tried everything and maybe re-homing  is what is actually going to be best for them :(

I have a "wetter" but its not a huge problem to Me and we deal with it (although it does get Me down at times) but I'm lucky as it isn't causing a problem indoors and OH excepts it.

I'm really sorry that it seems nothing is going to work with your girlies ...  :hug:

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2011, 22:14:27 PM »
Thanks guys, I've emailed CPL in my area to see what their thoughts are and how I would go about rehoming if needed :-( Speaking to my auntie who is also a massive cat lover today and she said that if it were her cats, she'd rehome given the situation, and she would rehome both :-(

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2011, 21:51:33 PM »
My neighbour's cat has a 'garage apartment' They have a cat flap in the garage door and lots of toys and comfy beds and a heat pad for colder days. Their son is very allergic and they still wanted to keep their cat so she comes and goes as she pleases in the garage and seems very happy. She socialises in the garden and gets plenty attention. I'd consider it myself.
I don't know the situation with CPL. You could enquire though.
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2011, 21:13:13 PM »
No, you're right souffle, I think one needs rehomed at least in the mean time to see if that helps.
Yes we have a garage, but I can't imagine putting either of them in there, they'd be miserable without people I'm sure. I wouldn't know who to try rehoming, I think Cleo would rehome really badly initially until she came out of her shell, she unsettles very easily and would appear to be a very timid yet aggressive cat, even when she is not, and Hesse is a mummies girl and pines after me when we go away.
I suppose I could see about rehoming them both and then see  if a home came up, who it would be best for?
With cats protection, can the cats stay in our house until rehoming, or do they have to stay in the shelter?

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2011, 20:26:56 PM »
Well I know everyone will not agree with me but I think you should rehome at least one of the cats.
Maybe one would be happy and your hubby could cope but it honestly sounds as if Hesse would be much happier in a single cat home without kids. Would any relatives or friends be interested? I would definitley let them go separately.
If it works out with only one then fabulous, if not then you will need to seek a home for her as well.
I would start by contacting local CPL, rescues and maybe putting the cats on here to see if anyone would adopt them?
I think you have tried very hard and the best of your ability as well as the limits of your finances and relationship.
No decision made from love is ever wrong and I wish you all the very best in finding them loving homes.

Just a thought as it is getting warmer - you don't have a shed or anything outside you could convert for them for the time being do you? I have seen some very comfy sheds on here for cats :)
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2011, 13:00:21 PM »
That's also the new problem- one of them pooed in our bed last night, worse because we co-sleep so our bed is Erin's bed.....
No pet insurance :-(

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2011, 12:14:27 PM »
Do you have pet insurance?  Referral to a behaviourist is usually included in most policies.

I'm sorry to hear that things have taken a turn for the worst.  I think you have complex problems here that aren't going to be solved easily, unfortunately  :hug:

As an aside, I may be wrong but - although it's gross to have cat wee around the house, I think that because it is sterile it poses no/little health risk (unlike poo).

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2011, 09:26:43 AM »
 :'(  Husband wants them gone  :( One of them peed in her highchair this morning, and we didn't realise until she was chomping down on the food in her tray that we could smell it (or I could smell it- hubby smells nowt because he is allergic to them!)
I think I'm in agreement with him that although things have got marginally better, they are far from right and after nearly 8 months in the house and nearly 6 months with the baby, things aren't looking like they are settling down any time soon.
I am absolutely gutted. I can't really imagine a house without cats, I've never not had cats :-(

What do I do? How on earth do I find the right homes for them? :-(
Thank you all so much for your kind words so far and all the helpful suggestions
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2011, 20:18:21 PM »
I was going to say similar. If they've never bonded it could well be that Hesse is acting out because she feels even more "pushed out." Even if Cleo was there first, it sounds like Hesse kind of wants people to herself?

Some cats are just unhappy sharing, bring a baby into the equation and that can make them feel they're sharing (not entirely inaccurately if you look at it logically...) even more.

Thinking about it from a somewhat needy cats perspective, she was living one place and there was just Cleo to contend with for cuddles....then she moved to a new place and not only was everything all different but there was suddenly a small human sapping her time up too.... ;)

Did you join Vicky Halls Cat Behaviour on Facebook? Might be someone that's been through the same that found a balance that worked.




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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2011, 20:18:07 PM »
Oh I dont know Dawn! I think she'd be ok with kids as she would get more attention that she needs, just not another cat attacking her! I really don't know what's best to do I think it's cos i really don't want to have to think about rehoming either if them :'-(

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2011, 19:55:13 PM »
I do feel for you, you are trying to keep everyone happy and it isn't working  :hug:  maybe hesse would be better off somewhere without kids??

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2011, 19:51:28 PM »
Nope they have NEVER been bonded. And yes, we moved house 31st July and Erin was born 16th Sept- everything happened very fast, we didn't even plan the house move until last min, our house was sold in 1 week and next house bought in 2 weeks, so v little time to prep the cats.
The changes since I first posted here have definitely helped cleo and she isn't peeing anymore, but Hesse is.
Cleo came first, and then Hesse.

Cleo is a 'human cat' (based on your link you posted earlier) loves parties with lots of people, comes out for attention when we have guests, (apart from children then she runs a mile) she isn't a lap cat and isn't a needy cat, can be a bit aggressive in play and can be very jumpy and frightened ever since our house got burgled a few years back. In the last week she suddenly seems back to 'normal' and is butting her head against Erin and interacting with her, no longer frightened of her, the feliway spray and extra litter trays in different places and the new high up bed do seem to have helped.

So Cleo came first and then Hesse. They would just tolerate each other- play fights, but never sleeping next to each other, grooming etc. When they first went to the vet to get neutered the staff said that Cleo needed to see a behaviouralist as she was a very aggressive cat, she had mauled a nurse and turned on Hesse. We had never seen Cleo be anything other than superfriendly to us so we laughed at this suggestion! But when she is taken out of her home this seems to be how she behaves. Whenever we went on holiday we would take them down to my parents to stay, as I said before, for the first few days Cleo would be like a different cat- she would attack my mum and hiss and attack hesse. This would settle down after a few days, unless they went outside, then it would be like she was seeing a completely different cat again and she would go for hesse again. It would settle and they would be back to normal at my parents, then we would experience the attacking for a few days when they came home again.

So this seems like similar behaviour towards hesse except we have now been in our new home since July with no change to Cleos behaviour, and then of cours e the increase in 'bad' behaviour.

So now hesse, who is a very needy lapcat- who has always followed me about the house needing lots of attention, is getting attacked and not anywhere near the attention she used to get, tries to sit on top of baby when I'm feeding, gets angry when she has to be pushed away and just all round isn't a happy cat. Hesse very definitely was my baby and used to sleep in the bed with me on my feet, now she is locked in the kitchen at night. So she is still 'stress peeing' I think.

Sorry for writing an essay, but I'm trying to figure out the behaviour in my head to see what else I can possibly do. I do kind of think that it may just not be possible to keep them on as it isn't fair, but I just don't know what is fair, and is it just one of them that I need to find a home for if I can't work on it? How would I ever choose if that needed to be the decision!
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 09:35:37 AM »
You think the problem is between Cleo and Hesse? And Cleo isn't stress peeing any more? Is that right?

Have Cleo and Hesse EVER been particularly bonded? Maybe the added stress of a little one, on an already precarious dynamic just toppled it over  the edge. Did you move just before you had your little girl?

(Sorry, am shooting questions at you!)




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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2011, 19:29:23 PM »
The other thing that has made a difference is putting a new cat bed  on top of the changing station that cleo kept peeing on. It's enclosed so she can sleep and feel safe and look down on everything, and I knew she wouldn't pee where she sleeps, just means I have to change erins nappy on the floor when she is sleeping there!! So this has all done the trick to stop cleo peeing, and age seems to be enjoying interacting with Erin so is happier in general. But she is still hissing/ attacking hesse, so hesscat is the one that's still stressed and peeing. Any tips on how to settle this down? I think this is in relation to the house move and the cats now having free access to outdoors. We used to take the cats out in our old flat and always when we were out or got back in cleo would attack hesse, then a few days later be back to normal. That's us been in the house 8 months now and cleos behaviour to hesse hasn't changed. Cleos behaviour to Erin has changed now that Erin interacts with her which she has only started doing in the last few weeks. So I don't think Erin is the problem for cleo. Does this make sense folks?

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2011, 18:29:44 PM »
Well whatever happens at least no-one can say you didn;t try your absolute hardest!!!! :hug: :hug:



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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2011, 14:12:15 PM »
Thanks guys, sorry, been busy with bambino! Well, things had been slightly better with the cats, we put out even more litter trays, cleared out stuff from the room they were peeing in the most and sprayed all of the baby stuff with feliway spray. Erin absolutely LOVES the cats, her wee face lights up when she sees them, and she is desperate to stroke them, and when she gets a chance she giggles away. The cats are quite liking this because the are getting more attention. However, everything would go fine for a few days, then we would find again that something had been peed in- again, her buggy which you can't take a cover off to put in the wash and is an absoulte nightmare to wash- had to be done with washing powder and the garden hose!
We absolutely can't afford a behaviourist at the moment as I'm on stat mat pay and next month I go to zero pay, and might not have a job guaranteed after mat leave either. When I go back to work, it would be an option though, and I wish it could be now (I've always said you shouldn't keep animals if you can't afford them, just didn't think mat pay was soo crappy to live off!!)
However, as Susanne says, yes my hubbie hates cats, he tolerates them and likes that Erin likes them, and he can be a big softie and always buys them special treats etc, but if there was to be a minor scratch (which is bound to happen when she grabs their tail!!) he would go mental, I just know it. He wouldn't see their behaviour in any other light other than a nuisance :-(

I don't know if temporary fostering is the option, I want whatever thing is least stress for them- they didn't ask for a baby to come along, and it is sad to say that they aren't my most important babies anymore! Is it less  stress to stay where they are and work on things, temporary foster, or complete rehome? arggggghhhhh!!

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2011, 12:36:19 PM »
I was wondering too. Would be nice to have an update

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2011, 20:42:57 PM »
Only just seen this thread and I was just wondering how things are going now?

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2011, 23:18:48 PM »
Have been looking for useful links:

http://www.fabcats.org/behaviour/cats_babies/info.html

http://www.freewebs.com/blackpoolcatsincare/pregnancyandcats.htm

Don't know if either of these have anything you haven't tried or thought of. Really hope so, and that it works.




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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2011, 12:43:57 PM »
Have you pursued the behaviourist route?  It sounds as though the problems are complex and deeply ingrained and I can't help feeling that you need a vet referred behaviourist to look at the overall picture in order to move forward.  I would suggest speaking to your vet and asking for a referral.   Your husband will have to be on board though for anything to work.  You said in your first post that your husband hates cats - is he actually happy with you having cats in the home at all?  Even cats with no behaviour problems?   If not, then you have a difficult decision to make because no cats will thrive in a home where one person dislikes them and doesn't really want them there, even if there are no behavioural problems.  And even the most well behaved cats may have a problem from time to time, e.g. weeing outside the litter box due to cystitis, scratching furniture, age related problems, crying at night etc.  What happens if when your daughter is toddler she gets a minor scatch as a result of teasing the cat?  How will your husband react?  Will he be on board with teaching your daughter the correct way to interact with the cat or will he just blame the cat and want rid?  I think they are very stressed about the whole situation and unless you and your husband are both committed to trying to sort out these problems, nothing will change and the cats will continue to be stressed and exhibit these behaviours.  So I think the first thing you need to do is sit down and have a chat with your husband about how he feels about cats in general.
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2011, 10:20:32 AM »
Thank you for that dizzyblonde.
I actually thought this was a nice friendly forum where people like you did not cut people's throats for making a suggestion. My suggestion was that if ALL ELSE failed then, for the sake of her sanity, her relationship, her new baby and also her clearly stessed out cats then perhaps the cats would be better in a secure new home.
Had you read through the thread fully you may have realised that this owner has tried virtually everything.
If she could get a foster for the cats for a little while it may just work out fine when they come back.
I don't feel welcome here anymore and perhaps I will just hang out elsewhere.
For your information I would NEVER adopt the attitude you imply of me, having taken on myself 5 rescue cats and five dogs, have been through the situation with a having a new baby myself and am a qualified BAGSD dog trainer who devotes huge amounts of time to helping people through similar situations with dogs. I have seen this situation with dogs over and over again and we ALWAYS try and work it out first.
I am sorry if you interpreted me wrong and I am sorry I even posted on this thread. Mazlin sorry if my suggestion upset you. You sounded as if fostering might be a help to you?
I hope you manage to find a solution that works for all of you and best wishes with what ever you decide.  Remember no decision made from love is ever wrong.

I would consider having these two fostered for a while till you guys get on your feet and sort things out. The baby and your relationship must come first and if this means a new home for the cats then so be it. If they could be fostered then brought back in a bit then that would be good but you won't know if they will revert to the old habits again.


Oh here we go with the usual platitudes.

The OP wanted to work WITH the moggies - not fob them off now something new and shiny's come along. I get really sick of people immediately jumping to the "get rid of pet evil evil evil" now a baby's on the scene and it was heartwarming to see someone actually trying to make a go of it instead.

Really really gets my goat.
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2011, 08:58:21 AM »
I would consider having these two fostered for a while till you guys get on your feet and sort things out. The baby and your relationship must come first and if this means a new home for the cats then so be it. If they could be fostered then brought back in a bit then that would be good but you won't know if they will revert to the old habits again.


Oh here we go with the usual platitudes.

The OP wanted to work WITH the moggies - not fob them off now something new and shiny's come along. I get really sick of people immediately jumping to the "get rid of pet evil evil evil" now a baby's on the scene and it was heartwarming to see someone actually trying to make a go of it instead.

Really really gets my goat.

HIGHLY unlikely that response will be the first one from anyone on Purrs. If someone has posted asking for advice and people can think of ideas, they'll suggest them.

How're things mazlin?
« Last Edit: February 10, 2011, 11:19:59 AM by JackSpratt »




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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2011, 08:35:56 AM »
I don't think souffle was suggesting that she should simply 'get rid' of the cats, the cats themselves sound very stressed from the way the situation has been described so maybe an 'outside the box' solution like a temporary foster home is worth considering  :shy:

Have to say it's my worst nightmare so really feel for the OP, my two boys (cats!) are my world and I would be devatstated if my homelife was making them unhappy. I don't have kids myself yet, would like to in the future but seeing how they react when my toddler nephew comes round (they leg it the second he arrives!) doesn't fill me with confidence. They're used to a very quiet, peaceful home and I know a baby would shatter that. I can only hope that if/when the time comes that they're able to adjust.

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2011, 07:46:21 AM »
I would consider having these two fostered for a while till you guys get on your feet and sort things out. The baby and your relationship must come first and if this means a new home for the cats then so be it. If they could be fostered then brought back in a bit then that would be good but you won't know if they will revert to the old habits again.


Oh here we go with the usual platitudes.

The OP wanted to work WITH the moggies - not fob them off now something new and shiny's come along. I get really sick of people immediately jumping to the "get rid of pet evil evil evil" now a baby's on the scene and it was heartwarming to see someone actually trying to make a go of it instead.

Really really gets my goat.

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2011, 19:03:50 PM »
Thanks guys, I'll check out the facebook group asap! I didn't think about having them fostered for the short term, would that cause them more stress to be passed about do you think, or does anyone have experience of this working previously?

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2011, 17:43:00 PM »
I really do feel for you. It must be so hard with a new baby and also the work and stress with the cats.
I had an issue when I brought our two kittens home with the dog actually who started weeing and worse in the house. It is only since I decided to let them both together that he has now stopped it. He is getting more secure in the fact that he is loved just as much as them and has stopped it now they can interact.
I would consider having these two fostered for a while till you guys get on your feet and sort things out. The baby and your relationship must come first and if this means a new home for the cats then so be it. If they could be fostered then brought back in a bit then that would be good but you won't know if they will revert to the old habits again.
I am thinking of you. Perhaps you could contact your local rescue or CPL and ask advice or try the suggested facebook group?
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2011, 17:30:37 PM »
Have you tried going on Vicky Halls FB group and trying to get some advice there?

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2011, 16:50:52 PM »
OK, I got the Feliway spray too, but Cleo has peed all over her change station twice today even with it on,  it's gone on the white carpet, the living room and baby things are absolutely stinking  >:( So it doesn't appear to be making a difference  :( Any other suggestions? My husband locked them out today which I know is not the answer, but he didn't want them peeing on stuff when we were out and unable to keep track. He says they are obviously too stressed out and it's not fair to keep them, they are my babies though and surely there is something else we can try?
We don't have behavioural therapy as part of our insurance, and there is no way we can afford that with me on mat pay- I'm about to go to unpaid leave in 2 months so we are watching every penny :-(
I really appreciate all the advice so far folks :-)

HELP!!!!

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 13:05:40 PM »
yes feliway spray is available and suggested for such a thing.
if you go somewhere like vetuk it will be cheaper than in the shops - and if you follow one of the links it can also earn pennies for one of us rescues......

another thing you can try is stoking you cats cheeks with a damp cloth and then rubbing the cloth along bits f babies stuff.
the cheeks give off happy smells and transferring this to the baby stuff may help.

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 12:56:58 PM »
Thanks all for your advice so far!
We've bought another feliway plug in (they're a pretty penny, aren't they?!) and we've put out a couple more litter trays. Cleo already seems a bit happier, and is coming to me for attention, even when I have the bambino, and she's even gone so far as to sniff her feet and rub her face against them, so she must be getting used to her. However, she still keeps peeing on her changing station, and is still really attacking Hesse  :'(
Yes, they have indoor trays, we had 2 which were in the utility room and covered boxes so they were out of the way, and they've always been happy to go in them. I've noticed they've started peeing outdoors too.
Can you get Feliway in a spray too? To spray on the babies things?
Any advice on what to do re scratching the carpet at the corner of shut doors?
I'm pretty sure it's not cystitis as Hesse had this before when we changed the litter brand, and her behaviour was very different then.
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2011, 21:26:56 PM »
Hi

I think that between the cats you may be seeing re-directed aggression caused by the cats being upset by the house move and then the new baby. The soiling indoors can also be a sign of a stressed or confused cat if medical reasons have been discounted.

There are lots of guidance about cats and babies living in harmony but a lot of that work is better done before the baby arrives . However I have found a couple of links for you which you may find elements useful:
http://www.fabcats.org/behaviour/spraying/info.html
http://www.fabcats.org/behaviour/cats_babies/info.html

As this has been going on for some time a behaviourist may be able to help - your vet may be able to recommend one local to you. 
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2011, 21:12:24 PM »
Sorry to hear you're all having such a stressful time  :hug:

I don't really have any behavioural suggestions but with regards getting the pee smell out of unwashables like the car seat and buggy I can highly recommend an industrial strength enzyme cleaner - RX66.

My cat pee'd on a suitcase (my fault as I had shut the door to the litter tray room and then the suitcase was smack bang in the middle of the floor and obviously smelt strange to him). I tried biological washing powder solution as that apparently works on the same principles but that didn't work at all. I was then recommended RX66 on here. You dilute it 1/10 and spray on to try and clean the area then you spray the full strength stuff on, cover in plastic and leave 3 hours. The smell completely disappeared.

http://www.livingiseasy.co.uk/products/cat5/cat763/cat766/XERIA_RX66HS_BIO_ENZYMATIC_STAINING,_FOULING_AND_FOUL_ODOUR_DIGESTER_SPRAY_PLUS_HIGH_PERFORMANCE_AIRX_ODOUR_ELIMINATION_TECHNOLOGY._NATURES_MIRACLE._Seeks_out_and_eliminates__surface_and_sub_surface_fouling,_foul_odours_and_stains._500ml/index.html

Good luck with whatever you decide  :hug:

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2011, 21:06:27 PM »
What a very difficult situation for you  :'( 

I don't have any particular advice, other than to say that my two cats came to me from a rescue when they were 8 years old.  They were signed over to the rescue by their previous owner because they had become very distressed living in a flat with their owner's baby.  The owner had persisted until the baby was 14 months, but had to admit defeat when the baby started toddling.

It took about a fortnight for them to settle fully here although for a further 18 months or so to properly get comfortable when we had guests over (and they still leg it if we have child visitors), but we never had a problem with their behaviour because of their former anxiety, it was purely a case of waiting for them to realise that there were no children here and they were safe. 

Hmmm...what am I saying?  I guess, if you have tried everything, sometimes it may be best to accept that it is actually in the best interests of the cats to consider rehoming them somewhere that they won't have the issues that are stressing them out now.  And that their behaviour with you now may well not manifest at all once the stressors for them are removed.

Whatever you decide, good luck xxx
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2011, 19:21:32 PM »
Again, thank you for asking for help. We see so many people rehoming their cats because they are expecting.

I had a problem with one of my cats, Marble, weeing after the arrival of cat number 3, Soap. She was weeing on anything that smelt of the dog which didn't make sense because they were best friends but we later learnt that she was doing it because the smell of the dog made her feel safe and happy which I would say probably isn't the case in your situation.

We got a feliway plug in and also visited the vet to rule out stress related cystitis. We saw the "cat lady vet" who was able to give some basic behavioural advice, medication advice and the suggestion of a couple more litter trays. She sent us away with Kalm Aid gel which she recommended over Zylkene based on her own personal experience. We also had option of behavourists to go to depending on how we got on (vet nurse who was very into cat behaviour specifically but not qualified, a vet nurse who had qualifications in animal behaviour but not just specific to cats and then finally, a full blown animal behaviourist who specialised in cats - some like Vicky Halls).

We were lucky and didn't need to go down the behaviourist route because the feliway, kalm aid and extra trays did do the trip a solve the problem.

We have a feliway on the go all the time now and keep some kalm aid in stock just in case.

Your girls have had an awful lot of upheaval and change but you are being understand to that so hopefully with a little bit of extra work you will be able to settle them again.

I fully appreciate how difficult it can be to get out when your breast feeding a little one but I would suggest getting them to the vets next week for a check up and check for cystitis and then to discuss the behaviour and options for treatments mentioning zylkene and kalm aid and see which one they recommend and go from there.

Do they have indoor litter trays?

By the way, I feel your frustration with the weeing on stuff! We had numerous dog beds, an arm chair and the bottom segment of the stair carpet ruined :( BUT we got there in the end :)
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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2011, 17:01:43 PM »
I would definately ask your vet to refer you to a good behaviorist like Vicky Halls, she would make an excellent jon of trying to work the problem out for you and would also tell you if she thought it better for them to be rehomed, that would be the final option.

She has a group on FB now and it maybe worth joining and getting in touch, she also has her own website.

If you need the links let me know And I will find them for you.

Loads of luck that this can be soughted and the two cats and baby can jave a wonderful life together  :hug: :hug: :hug:

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2011, 16:49:01 PM »
Have you seen a vet about other stress products like Zyklene? there are people on here who use it and can advise better but as i understand it it might take the edge of enough to work with them. Are you insured to see a behaviourist?   

As Kirst says- Well done you for trying  :hug:

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2011, 16:42:48 PM »
May I say that it is very refreshing to see someone asking for help , and who has really tried to find a solution rather than just said - 'the cats have to go!'

Of course it is unacceptable to have them peeing on all the babys things - and it is wonderful that you are thinking of your furry babies welfare as well as your hooman babies one!

If you do decide that rehoming is the best option , you have certainly come to the right place - all the very best of luck!

Thanks Kirst, I obviously really don't want to rehome them, but they obviously don't like children/babies and it's not fair that they are both living in stress, it's sooo tricky!!! Hoping that someone will have a miracle suggestion that will keep all of us happy, but thought things would have settled down by now....

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Re: New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 16:36:56 PM »
May I say that it is very refreshing to see someone asking for help , and who has really tried to find a solution rather than just said - 'the cats have to go!'

Of course it is unacceptable to have them peeing on all the babys things - and it is wonderful that you are thinking of your furry babies welfare as well as your hooman babies one!

If you do decide that rehoming is the best option , you have certainly come to the right place - all the very best of luck!



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New baby- cats and husband not happy!
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 16:22:05 PM »
Hi all,
I'm hoping you can help. My cats are having a bit of a stressful time at the mo, and unfortunately, their behaviour in relation to this stress means it's close to the final straw with them in my husbands eyes.
We have 2 rescue moggies, that we've had since kittens. Cleo came from a friend who didn't realise what a having a kitten involved, and only lasted a week with her. Hesse was one of my foster kittens that we kept as a friend for Cleo, although sadly friends they are not! Both cats have always just 'tolerated' each other, they would, on occasion, snuggle up together, but generally just ignored each other. Cleo is a very playful cat, but when stressed becomes very aggressive. If they ever went to stay at our relatives when we were on holiday, then for a couple of days, Cleo would hiss and fight at Hesse, asserting her dominance. It would settle down and they would get back to ignoring each other until we brought them home, when again, Cleo would attack Hesse for a couple of days and settle down. Unfortunately we were burgled, and suspect Cleo maybe got kicked as she has never been quite the same since- jumpy, more aggressive and very frightened.

We moved house at the end of July, and execting the upheaval and usual battle between the two of them we used a feliway plug in. The usual fighting that would normally settle down didn't at all. In fact, Cleo was getting even more aggressive and starting to get aggressive with us. Our first baby then arrived in September and didn't go down well at all. So 2 major changes for the cats- new house and new baby. Cleo was petrified of our wee one to start with and spent most of the first month in hiding, or attacking Hesse. Hesse is completely stressed from being attacked constantly, and does appear very jealous of the baby. Hesse used to sleep under the covers on my toes, but as our daughter is in our room we have had to keep them down in the kitchen at night- another massive upheaval. She tries to sit on top of the baby while I'm feeding her, which she can't do, and I have to push her away, which she tries to stand her ground against (I know she is desperate for cuddles).
So now, Cleo continues to attack Hesse, and both cats are peeing on everything that is baby related. They have also begun scratching up the hall carpets, which is now ruined- a brand new house carpet.
I can understand why they are doing it, but husband, who hates cats- can't. They have already ruined an expensive carpet, and have peed in her expensive buggy and carseat which are impossible to wash, so still smell of pee, which in turn makes them want to pee on them more.

We can't continue to have them pee all over the babies things as it's unhygienic with a tiny baby, and husband is really annoyed at the expense they have caused.
I feel that both cats just aren't happy with the baby and with each other, and it's not fair for them to continue living like this.
Husband wants to find them a new home, which in some respects, I can agree with, but that would just be another big upheaval to them that could just stress them out even more and make it very difficult for anyone to take them on.

What can we do? I've been trying to give them attention away from the baby, but this is extremely difficult when I breastfeed with a such a young baby- most of my time is spent with her. We are using the feliway plug ins, and trying not to shout at the 'bad behaviour' but I'm really at a loss as to what else to do other than think about another home, it's 7 months since we moved and nearly 5 months since our daughter arrived, and the behaviour is getting worse instead of better.

Should we try other things? Or should we re home? :-(

Thanks in advance

Maz

 


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