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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2007, 08:55:40 AM »
Who knows what the problem is, yet another one of my cats who the vet thinks has something serious and yet the tests show nothing, I should be used to this by now!! The girls are slightly taking over the roles of Ginger and Pebbles - Molly has had practically nothing in the 15 months I have had her, yet Tiger has had about 4 visits since August, 2 resulting in testing cos of the symptoms - yet both came back fine!! I am just obviously not allowed to have 2 healthy cats that give me no worries whatsoever!!
She is still being a picky eater (again, so much like Pebbles, even down to the same flavour of hte same brand being the only one she will eat!!), so she hasn't had any Metacam since she came back, will have to get it straight into her mouth today, which I hate doing.
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #78 on: March 24, 2007, 04:02:58 AM »
Sorry, wrong cat.
Fat cat = Lucy! :-[
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #77 on: March 24, 2007, 03:58:29 AM »
If it is a ruptured ligament or tendon these heal on their own, with rest, as far as I'm aware (I had an ankle injury just before Xmas and was told at A&E that I'd ruptured the tendon, and to rest; later, however they Xrayed it and it was broken!).

I'm just wondering whether giving the metacam will encourage Tiger to be more active, so not rest the damaged knee? Is she the fat (sorry couldn't think of a more tactful word) cat? This probably created the injury in the first place.

Obviously, your vet knows best. But any bone injury would have shown on the Xray, anything else would be helped by encouraging rest.
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2007, 09:41:16 AM »
i think she is, as she is only picking at her food today, hopefully she will start eating more, as I have to get the Metacam into her yet!!
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #75 on: March 22, 2007, 18:43:44 PM »
she will more than likely be sorer tomorrow des after all the pulling today.

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« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2007, 17:29:34 PM »
Yes, it is a shame there isn't something definite to go on but I hope time and Metacam do the trick.  :hug:
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2007, 17:02:24 PM »
Ouch at the vet cost, but worth it and thank god for insurance!

Shame there is no definitive diagnosis, suppose you just have to wait and see what happens.  At least she won't need to have surgery though.  Give her a treat from me.

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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2007, 16:40:13 PM »
Am now £164 lighter!!! She had some tarter, so vet did a scale and polish, and had to remove a tooth, fortunately she only charged me for the scale and polish, or it would have been even dearer!! The prob has been cos she had the sedation and then the vet had to give her anaesthetic, I have had to pay for it all!! Thank god for pet insurance though, I should hopefully get about £100 back.

I did have a chat with the vet, and apparently her knee does bend back further than it should, but when seh was under, the vet discovered that both her knees do that, and there is nothing on the X rays to show that it is a problem with them doing it, just rather unusual!! She said not to worry too much about resting, as she isn't an active old girl anyway, but she has lost a slight bit of weight, so I need to keep an eye on that. She did do a lot of pulling when she had her fully under, and another vet at the practice did too, so I am confident they haven't missed anything. She has had a Metacam shot today, I have to give her two drops for a week and if no better, we might have to go to a specialist, but at least we have somethign for them to refer too.
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2007, 14:17:10 PM »
She didn't say anythign like that Lynn, just that there was nothing on the x-ray, everything seemed fine - she did use some technical terms, but I didn't write them down. And vet didnt' seem to think she would need any rest, I would rather not cage her again, she isn't the best cat for things like that!! I will just see how things go with teh MEtacam, I know there is only her who eats the food, so I know she is getting it.
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2007, 14:12:31 PM »
partially ruptured / strained ?? in which case the plan of action would be rest anyway.

i did a quick search desley and found this http://www.healthyfoodforpets.com/cruciateligamentruptureincats.html maybe not the most scientific but fairly good explanation.

and this one is better altho i had googled for canine coz i was sure animals under a certain weight could possibly be managed non surgically and it does say about that in the treatment paragraph but i think an interesting read for you if you havent already done so.
Lick/Addison_s_Disease/Adrenal_Gland_Disease__Ferrets/Anal_Sac_Disease__Canine/cruciate_ligament_rupture__can.html

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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2007, 14:00:47 PM »
Not sure, as she has told me the plan over the phone - she did say, that if she is still limping after a week or so on Metacam, then she could send the x-rays to a specialist for me - and she did get another vet in the practice to look at them before ringing me, so i have sort of had a second opinion already. Very puzzling!!
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2007, 13:54:41 PM »
will the vet have an appointment at discharge to discuss all options/ possible causes then desley ?

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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2007, 13:42:41 PM »
Vet has rang to say she is back to her usual growling, hissy self, just a bit wobbly, so vet wants her to stay in a kennel for another couple of hours till she can walk properly, so I should be able to pick her up at 4ish, bless her. Feel very tempted to go and get her lots of treats!!
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2007, 13:05:38 PM »
Very strange - but it could have been the way Tiger was at the vets yesterday, she isn't a co-operative cat (but fortunately i was the only one bit by her yesterday).

Tiger doesn't do a lot anyway!!
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2007, 13:03:04 PM »
strange if she could feel abnormal movement yesterday ??  :Crazy: :Crazy:

what about restricted excercise des ?? is this an option ?

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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2007, 13:01:43 PM »
Just had another phone call from the vet - she can't find anything on the x-rays to show why Tiger is limping!! Even what she felt yesterday isn't showing up today - but then she wasnt limping this morning. So, the only thing she can say is to keep her on the Metacam and monitor her for another week or two!!
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #63 on: March 22, 2007, 13:00:51 PM »
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2007, 13:00:33 PM »
from that descrip des sounds like cruciate allright, when they go the knee "clunks" when you manipulate the joint.

fingers crossed best case senario tho X

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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2007, 12:46:50 PM »
Well, the vet rang half an hour ago to say that she had given Tiger the highest level of sedation, and she was still growling and moving when they tried to X ray her, so she needed to give her some gas to knock her out more. Did tell her she shouldn't be too surprised as she is one of mine!! I should have the results in the next half an hour, but this might change the way we deal with this, it is lookign like yet again, I have a cat where the normal treatment might not be an option.
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2007, 11:02:49 AM »
Baggy - only just noticed your edit - my two are insured with Sainsburys, M & S also insure oldies.

That is a good idea Lynn, I might see about that. I know I could take her to the rescue's vet, and it wouldt' be as expensive, but I wouldn't be 100% happy at going there for somethign like this.

Am trying to remember the wording she used - the knee joint was moving backwards a lot more than they are supposed to, and I keep thinking she used the word 'gone' when she was talking about the ligaments, but that can't be right. She did say it felt like both ligaments though, but she should be going to the other branch to do the x-ray anytime between now and 12.30, the last time she x-rayed one of mine, I found out at 12ish.
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2007, 10:45:56 AM »
ah i got you desley, i wasnt sure which vet it was that was off, makes sense to my pea brain now.

Yes falling short of the referral option which i agree is the best option you could discuss with your vet about a vet from a different local practice doing it, Your vet will of course be in a far better position than yourself to be in the know as to who the best "normal" vet would be to go to, I'm sure given the circumstances of them having a vet off so they cant provide that service and the travelling problems your own vet would be willing to help you out on this. 

sounds like its only a partially ruptured cruciate, unless its a luxating patelly which to be honest sounds more like to me but if the joint is unstable like you said it cant be that..will wait to hear from you after you get told the result of radiography.

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« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2007, 10:37:07 AM »
I can't remember what the vet said about them, but we will know more in a few hours once the x-rays have been done. There isn't just one vet in my practice, but according to my vet, only one of the 4 can do this, and that is the one who is off sick!!

The two ortho specialists the vet mentioned are going to be a minimum of a 2 hour drive, and that is prob with a normal person driving!! For those of you who know roughly where I am, the options I have been given are Dewsbury and Liverpool. There is a chance the out of hours vet could do that kind of surgery, its just the vet said that as she is insured, I could get a better surgeon than them - but it does boil down to distance and travelling.

Thanks Lynn - she didn't seem to be limping that much this morning, oddly enough!!
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2007, 10:18:02 AM »
Desley, i presume its her cruciate ligaments that is the problem here ..odd thing is cruciate ruptures arent common in cats but i think there are 2 or 3 ive read about on here lately  :Crazy:

Does the vet think they are partially or completely ruptured ?

also many "normal" vets are more than capable of doing cruciate repairs, is there just the one vet in your practice ?

How far is the ortho specialst from you / is there a vet school ? /  Have you any one near by that could help you with the travelling ie they drive you sit with tiger..is there anyone on here near by you ?? 

Please dont batter yourself about leaving her an extra week..perfectly acceptable to give the meds a degree of time to work before rushing to ga's etc..as you said she was "limping" and not totally non weight bearing which is the normal case in complete ruptures.

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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2007, 20:41:03 PM »
I suppose the vet might not have picked up on it last week, that has happened to me before, I have taken them for a very slight change, been sent home cos they can't find anything wrong and had to go back days later cos it has then developed enough. Mind you, that has also happened with my own health too!!
Yes, have had that happen with pets before, and in spite of trip to doctor last week am stuck with a kidney infection that didn't show up last week!!

Which insurers do you use by the way - I think we should insure Dinah if she's staying.
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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2007, 20:29:00 PM »
Didnt think of it that way - and I suppose the vet might not have picked up on it last week, that has happened to me before, I have taken them for a very slight change, been sent home cos they can't find anything wrong and had to go back days later cos it has then developed enough. Mind you, that has also happened with my own health too!!
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« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2007, 20:25:07 PM »
Well, if you'd taken her in last week the vet would still have been off sick and you'd still be in a similar position.....so don't be too hard on yourself, you'd been doing all you could to make her comfortable.
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« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2007, 20:06:21 PM »
i know. We will, I just hope it is something positive, I dont think I could put either of us through the travelling to go and see a specialist. Not sure - I assumed the vet told me as they would want to repair the damage asap, and they mustn't be able to guarantee she will be back this week. I wish I had taken her last week though.
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« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2007, 17:53:04 PM »
Poor little thing. Still, you'll know what you're up against tomorrow.  You mentioned the vet you might need is off sick, but is that long-term or just temporary?
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2007, 17:16:56 PM »
Well, not quite the kind of vet visit I wanted - I got the X Ray I wanted though, but not quite for a good reason. Her knee is going out of joint too much (might be the wrong wording), so the vet thinks that she has damaged both the ligaments round that leg - god only knows how. She is going for an x-ray tomorrow, I will know what they show around lunch time. It does cause a few probs though - there is only one vet in the practice I use who can do this kind of surgery, and she is off sick, so she might end up having to be referred, and that would really depend on how far, not only am I a poor driver when it comes to directions, but she is a very poor traveller, she doesnt even like the 5 min journey to the vets, I dread to think how bad she would be with a couple of hours drive!! And there is the fact that she is a very temperamental cat who will attack for little reason, so not sure how well the recovery would be for her. Plus, this is the second leg she has been to the vets with a limp since the end of Dec. Vet was awfully surprised that she was insured though, and was even more surprised when I Said I had both girls (14 and 13) insured for just under £15 a month. I have very mixed feelings at the moment, I am partly annoyed at myself for not taking her sooner, and just assuming that the Metacam needed a bit more time to kick in, I should know by now that while the vet was right in that you dont normally get the same thing happening twice, this is one of my cats, and I do seem to have a knack of ending up with cats that develop slightly unusual health conditions, or at least ones that most people dont tend to see!! And then partly upset because I honestly dont know how we are going to deal with this, vet says we have to wait till the x-ray, but I know it won't stop me worrying. So, this seems to have ended my run of two healthy cats again!! Thank god for insurance!!
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2007, 10:32:32 AM »
Hi Desley

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« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2007, 10:22:14 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2007, 09:50:14 AM »
Hope all goes well, Desley.
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« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2007, 07:30:31 AM »
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« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2007, 22:12:33 PM »
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2007, 22:02:30 PM »
We are at the vets tomorrow afternoon - she is still limping, Metacam doesn't seem to have done anything at all for her. Will see what the vet says - it is a shame she didn't like the senior treats from PAH, they have glucosamine in them.
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« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2007, 21:46:48 PM »
Cheers, will have a look when I go to the pet shop this week. You haven't met Miss Molly, I hide treats in her dry food, but she is very good at eating round them!! Her idea of a treat is a few more biccies!!
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2007, 21:38:41 PM »
Kitzyme are available at most pet shops. They are yeast based but I've yet to meet a cat who didn't love them. If you have difficulty, give your cat  a couple of munchies, then a Kitzyme. She'll eat it up not realising the difference. They're inexpensive (about £3.50) so if your cat doesn't like them you haven't incurred a huge loss.
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« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2007, 21:21:25 PM »
YEah, she is eating relatively well - I actually wondered if her looking a bit thin could be due to the fact she has had more senior food recently, and whether it is a sign that she doesn't quite need as much senior food. HAven't noticed much of a round belly, and am debating whether I would be allowed to look in her ears - she is at the vets on Wed, so think I may leave that to the vet (she has already snapped at me tonight cos I gave her two kisses on her head and not one!! Luckily I can read her well enough to move out of the way). She had a full blood test done last month though, so I would doubt there is anything wrong with her liver. She is still limping slightly on the meds, but could be cos of the way I used them. Where do you get these Kitzyme tablets from, I have never seen them - and I bet my two wouldn't eat them from my hand, haven't found any treats that Molly likes yet - have tried Brewers Yeast tablets on Tiger, she wont touch them.
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Re: Please help my paranoia!!
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2007, 20:52:08 PM »
Desley, is she eating well? If she's thin around her bottom has she got a round belly? Look at the inner part of her ears, are they going orangey?
Refusing food and having a swollen belly and lean pelvis could be signs of generally poor condition. The orangey ears are a way to check her liver. I hope all goes well at the vet. She may be responding badly to the meds. Some conditioning pills might help, if appropriate. My fave are Kitzyme, cos they're no problem to give, the cats eat them out of my hand!
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« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2007, 20:36:48 PM »
Our Gandolf had arthritis in his back legs which meant he didn't groom his back "trousers" very well for years and hated it when I tried to help out. Is the Metacam having any effect yet Desley or is she still limping?

 


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