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Cat General => General Cat Chat => Topic started by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 20, 2010, 20:15:01 PM
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Came back from shops and as I opened the front door and a very young cat walked in...am older kirtten I think.
Went down to a neighbour who as a cat cos thought it maybe hers abut they have lost there cat to an RTA a month ago and now have a puppy!
It was her who brought this kitten down ande dumped it on my door step!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So need advice cos weather is well under -2 here and this kitten is not a feral and very friendly.
It had ice blocks in its tail and was very hungry and also thirsty for milk.
All it wants to do is nead and suckle, I dont know what age kittens are fully weaned.
Pussys head fits in the palm of my hand, dont know if its male or female but suspect female.
Just no clue what to do with it, have taken some bad pics and will post up shortly.
I couldnt get any that gave an idea of its size but its a mackeral Tabby with very oriental eyes, head seems to be longhaired but body not, tail is fluffy plumed type.
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I think kittens are normally weaned between 6 and 8 weeks. The shed babies were about 8 weeks ish when I got them and were eating wet food and biscuits mixed. I'm guessing you gave the little one cat milk not cows? Have you got anywhere you can keep him/her separate with some food, water and litter tray until tomorrow when you can maybe make some enquiries in to who owns this little one and why it was out!
In the meantime can you start posting info on lost and found websites?
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When Chelsea had her kittens ( a long time ago now) they were fully weaned by 6 weeks. I know that kittens under 3 months need regular small meals up to say 4 times a day. I used to make a mushy concoction for the kittens at the beginning.
As Steff has said perhaps keep him/her in a small separate room with food and water and a litter tray away from the food. And perhaps a cardboard box with a blanket that he/she can sleep in. Then tomorrow you can make some enquiries.
Good luck Gill and hopefully someone with up to date experience of kittens can advise you further :hug:
PS just seen the pictures looks a bit maine coon or a cross. Have you tried it with some cat food maybe a bit of pate food (if you have some of course).
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Gill some pedigree cats can take upto 3 months to be fully weaned although with the general moggy it is generally between 6-8 weeks.
If you could put is seperate from the others and follow the previous advice given. Also you could advertise it in the local paper as I know ours advertise found items and animals free, so another possibility there.
Have any neighbours moved recently, but is also surprising how many are dumped around this time of year when they either won't leave xmas trees alone or to make way for a new pet.
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She is just tucking into the other half of a mashed felix pouch and she has to have cows milk cos its all I have.
I dont have any room that the other 4 dont used but have her in the front room with me..............trouble is no room is geared to a kitten and noway of being able to make them kitten proof.
misaa is getting upset that the door is closed and it wont be long until Franta and Ducha are howling outside the door.
Pussy is now drinking second bowl of warm milk and water, she has already had hald a tin of solitaire tuna and shrimp and then had a sleep.
She doesnt understand toys.
I have a litter tray in here for her and reckon she is well old enough to be weaned, best guess is 3-6 months
She has a very long body for her height and has fabulous eye liner
Where I live there are very few houses and none have cats, I am going to put a notice in my car window and also in shop tomorrow but nowhere to ask.............there have been no pawprints in the snow and reckon she has been dumped or allowed to escape from a car. I will take her to the vets tomorow to see if she has a chip, thats weather allowing but she flipped when I tried to put her in a carrier.
She is very friendly and relaxed and just cant help herself paddling and suckling.
Where can I post her found?
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Personally I would skip the milk in case it gives her the runs. I would mash a bit of warm water into it.
Good that she found a cat lovers house :hug:
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Cow's milk may give him/her the squits :sick: Maybe a bowl of water? will be getting moisture from the wet food as well.
If no joy tomorrow and you want to register found - there are
- local rescues - http://www.catchat.org/adoption/walessw.html (hope the right part of wales)
- local vets
- National sites you can register on - there are a few but the most popular seem to be:
http://www.nationalpetregister.org/
http://www.animalsearchuk.co.uk/
Catchat
Purrs
There are others if you want them.
Also see if you can get someone to scan the cat for a microchip? And finally the found tips from Purrs: http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php/topic,31636.msg568454.html#msg568454
Hope this helps :hug:
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Sounds like your doing all the right stuff Gill, just keep an eye on her tummy with the milk and if anything just give water. Thing is she will just be glad to have something, anything!!
Does sound very like she could be dumped. A notice in the shop and your car sound like a plan, also the vets and then have a look at the lost and found tips on here cos there are lots of websites listed. Also the local newspaper like someone else said. Lamposts, phone boxes, community notice boards...places where people will see. I hope you have some plastic wallets and sticky tape.
Kittens are pretty savvy so don't worry too much about a room being kitten proof...my two are in the shed which isn't empty but I have put away any sharp things but there is still stuff they can knock over or chew but they are not stupid and don't put themselves in any danger. When I had Soap as a kitten in Jan she just stayed in the spare room, I didn't do anything special in there and she was fine too *hug*
Sounds like you might have number 5 lol!!!
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I'd stop with the cows milk personally. He/she doesn't need it and it will likely cause an upset tum :sick:
Where are the pics so I can drool? :)
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Where I live there are very few houses and none have cats, I am going to put a notice in my car window and also in shop tomorrow but nowhere to ask.............there have been no pawprints in the snow and reckon she has been dumped or allowed to escape from a car.
Good idea Gill - Especially if she could have travelled in one of the cars going to the school? Hopefully not dumped or could be No.5 for you. ;)
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Bless you Gill, this little one is lucky to have found you. :hug: Maybe she is kneading and sucking because you are a warm body and she's been so cold? Tiny kittens cuddle up to mum for comfort and safety, I presume that instinct doesn't dissipate overnight. Or maybe she realises she has found a softie and is trying to get her paws under the table: you probably smell of contented cat pheromones! :Luv2:
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I tried water but it wouldnt drink any but drank all the watered down milk but that will be all now.
Pussy knows how to worm her way into a heart. so different to all my older cats.
The pictures are on tha A team thread in chatting about noncats LOL
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Cor blimey thats a stunning cat!
i have nothing useful to add but to echo, he/she is lucky to have found you :hug:
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: firefox, I think you have hit the nail on the head!
She is snarf, absolutely stunning :scared:
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Oh Gill, what a dilemma. I have nothing useful to add but I agree with Edd, she looks very Maine Coone to me, not that I'm an expert on breeds, my only experience is with moggies. :hug:
Poor thing having ice blocks in her tail - that doesn't happen even this weather unless she has been very wet - is it snowing where you are? She's certainly a stunner and sounds like a real cuddlebum. Why does nobody dump a cat on my doorstep?
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It wasnt snowing but odd places despite freezing temps have got wet, or she has sat in the snow which melted and refroze.
I didnt see her at all until I oppened the door and she was inside quick as a flash and head butting and standing on back legs to touch me........Oh dear!
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She has certainly had a home hasn't she or she would not be so friendly. Maybe it is a genuine loss and not a dumping and somebody will be very glad to get her back.
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Oh bless her little heart .... she will kneading and snuggling because she is cold / frightened and now happy and content. If I was you I would put one of your jumpers or an old towel in a box and shut her in the lounge with her litter tray and a bit of food and water (unless of course you want to take her to bed with you ;))
She will probable cry when you leave her alone but as long as she has a nest to hide in she will be OK.
She's a lucky girl to have found you :Luv2: :Luv2:
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:Luv: She is beautiful and looking right at home. :evillaugh:
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What a concern Gill. Wonder if she is lost :-:
Do hope you get some much needed rest tonight :hug:
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Awww Gill, she is so gorgeous :Luv2: :Luv2:
I say its a xmas present for you from Tina :) x
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She hasnt cried at all when I have left her, the first time was in utility room and new she couldnt get out but couldnt find her, stood up to find her watching me from top of fridge freezer LOL.
Moved her to front room where she has a tray and food and drink and she is just snoozing in different places. I have left her alone a number of times but not a peep.........................no she will not be coming to bed cos have all the other cats up there.
I think she is now lovely and warm and relaxed after using her Pussy power to gain entry but probaly also tired from her ordeal and the cold.
I will leave some light on for her tonight and hope she will be Ok.
My real worry is about the other cats cos they usually pop in and out of the front room when they want and the birmans like to come and cuddle and Misa just likes to check I am still here.
I need to wait in tomorrow cos have a parcel maybe two coming by courier, one is very expensive and need to get it in my sticky hands.
I will make some posters tomorrow and stick them on the lamposts that are within sight but really want to get her scanned for a chip but that may have to wait till bloomin wed.
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:wow: :wow: OMG Gill - she is one lucky cat being with you :Luv2: :hug:
You can put found adverts in the newspaper for free. Maybe you will know more when you find out if she is chipped. Watch out your lot don't get jealous especially with them not feelig 100% healthy at the moment.
Yo uare never gonna get any sleep now. :evillaugh: :hug:
Mary
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I opened door to go back in and Misa beat me!
All the moaning and stuff came from Pussy and Misa hadnt even seen her, he left bemused.............sigh
Think she is going to be sleeping on the duvet on the sofa tonight as close to the radiator as she can get :innocent:
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Just had a peek on the other thread... what a beauty :Luv2: If she's not chipped and no owner comes forward then it looks like Xmas has come early for both of you :wow:
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YOU MUST KEEP HER - THAT'S AN ORDER ;)
Just looked at the pics Gill, she is sooooooooo adorable and made herself well and truly at home.
How can anyone throw her out? If you don't find her home I hope it works out with your new cat :naughty: :hug: :Luv2:
Mary
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wow thats the biggest change of tune I ever heard LOL
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No idea what you mean Gill :rofl:
It's easier when you've not seen the cat BUT when I saw those pics................. heart melted as I am sure yours did when she walked through your door. ;):Luv2: :hug:
Mary
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My problem is with the hearts of my Gang of 4 and she moaned and meowed at Misa who left definately confused but Pussy had the high spot and misa was on the ground.
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:evillaugh: :evillaugh: :rofl: :rofl: Sorry Gill - am stalking your "visitor" threads. I can just imagine the sort of night you've had. :hug: :hug:
She does look a little like a Maine Coon cross. A mini Miss Noni Baroni ;) She likes you Gill. She's not sure about the other duffers, but you're certainly well gud! :)
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Aw this little one thankfully found the right house to barge into :Luv2:
Seriously though, I do hope you can find out where she's come from, as if the others are getting upset its not ideal for them :hug: :hug:
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh is it morning!
How much does a kitten normally eat?
She has just demolished a pouch and a half!
Gave her two half pouches and left the rest of pouch on top of something but she blooming climbed up and got it, knowcked it on the floor and started trying to get into it and eat.
She has jiust used the litter tray and wants to leave the room and go exploring.
Late last night Franta came down cos he wanted cuddles and for me to go to bed and she was seriously upset, Franta didnt seem to notice the racket she was making or even see her and she carried on moaning long after he had left and didnt forgive me until she got some more food................sigh
Mine are upset cos the door is closed but Pussy is upset cos of the other cats.
I am stuck until the couriers come and the the bloomin school is open again..................why dont they just give up!
Having a problem keeping her in the room while I am getting out and she is climbing all over the place. I agree seems to be a Maine Coon cross.
Has found thed cat tree ;D
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Blimey - she looks well and truly at home Gill - got her paws firmly under your cat tree! Er, yes - I seem to recall kittens can fair pack the food away. Handy when you have four other, more discerning palates to cater for...... :hug:
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Gill - she is just :Luv2: :Luv2: and seems to making herself truly at home. So you discovered she was a girl ;D
Kittens from memory eat at least 4 meals a day - stress and lack of food previously can increase the levels initially.
Had a trawl of lost and found registers for you last night - could not see anything.
Good luck today.
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She really is beautiful. And yes, there is a Noni-esque look to her. ;)
I see why it's not ideal to keep her though, Gill. With all the health issues you've got with yours at the moment and the precarious group dynamic it's difficult. (Shame though. ;)) Sending you a big hug. :hug:
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Gill, d'you recall Rosella saying how much Groucho ate when he first arrived? He was hungry too, bless him. I remember how Rosella got worried once he started to eat "normally" as she thought he was going off his food. :evillaugh:
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just love her, especially that wonderful tail
her eating loads and reaction to the other cats may stem from a period outside when she was competing for food - hopefully she will be less anxious as time goes by ;)
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I had forgotten that Sue :innocent:
Have posted her found on Purrs but Cat chat will not allow me to post again..............help please someone.
Gotta eat something and then start posting her found on other sites.
She is flaked out on the cat tree now, so should be able to get out LOL
She seems to breath very fast compared to my other cats.....should I be worried?
Thanks for looking Edd :hug:
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Oh Gill she's lovely!
It's great if she's a girl if you do decide to keep her as your three boys will be more accepting of her :evillaugh:
Looks a bit like my Nova
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/zenithbliss/Cats/th_IMG_4643.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/zenithbliss/Cats/?action=view¤t=IMG_4643.jpg)(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/zenithbliss/Cats/th_IMG_3439.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/zenithbliss/Cats/?action=view¤t=IMG_3439.jpg)
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Yes she does Liz but she doesnt like two of the boys who popped into the room last night and they are the gentle ones LOL
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I can post on CatChat's Lost and Found, Gill
just pm the message you want to put on
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The first time Luna met Nova she growled like a big dog lol, but I kept her in the bathroom (even slept in the bathtub with her for two nights :-[ ) and slowly swapped the bedding around till they were used to each other - now Nova and Luna are best friends though they both have a go at Mia sometimes :(
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I seriously need to know how much a kitten eats!!
She just went and ate Sasas breakfast and then also had some biscuits ontop of the pouch and a half she had already eaten :shify:
Soufle if you read this, can you tell me how old the kittens are int the last picture you posted on 12 days of christmas.
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She is adorable :Luv:
The only time I've ever heard Mosi hiss was when he first met Jaffa. Never since. She is probably just being a bolshy madam and making sure everyone knows she's in charge.
As to how much kittens eat - well, it's a long time since Jaffa was a kitten! Mosi ate mostly dry when he came to me at 14 weeks so hard to say really. I fed him 4-5 time a day and let him just eat as much as he wanted with half a pouch of wet at tea time to start with. Come to think of it, Jaffa had mainly dry when I first got him so it was just as much as he wanted really.
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Gill she may need wormed if you have adult tablets cut one in half and pop down her throat thats what we do with our kittens usually Millibex is our wormer of choice but Pagan had half an adult drontal she is 2 kgs to use as a guideline for both wormers
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I dont have wormer Liz and was wondering but until I can get to the vet cant weigh her or do anything.
She is verry light compared to any of my cats.
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I'm no kitten expert as you know, but Penny would eat a full sachet and a bowl of dry for breakfast and it was kitten food which is more nutritious than adult or senior. She would then be ready for another meal at lunchtime and again in the evening (but didn't get as much then). She had been in rescue for some time so was certainly not starving as your kitty seems to be. Now what did you say her name was? Puska with a little accent over the s wasn't it? :naughty:
As regards the breathing I used to think Penny was a fast breather so maybe it is a kitten thing. When you're used to oldies a kitten is a whole new animal and you have to re-learn.
I know its difficult with your four but she really is your sort of cat isn't she with all that fur and she has certainly made herself at home. ;)
I hope she turns out to have a chip and can be re-united with her owner.
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Thanks Carol, but noooooooooooo she is still Pussy at the moment LOL................she just put on a sailor hat.........maybe she is trying to say something :rofl: :rofl:
I think she is asleep on the cat tree but if I move, she is down like a flash to go and search for more food lol......thats all I am, a food bringer.
I do hope she has a chip cos that would be great although if they can lose a little cat like that and not have any notices up..........do they deserve her, so worrying.
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I will be surprised if she has a chip tbh as most people who chip do it at the same time as neuter/spay.
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is there any chance she could be much older than you think, Gill, and hyperT?
that would account for rapid breathing and the warm ears
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Well trigger I have no idea but thats why I wanted soufle to reply but I think she is very young cos of her tiny little claws and it could be its too hot in here for her but having to have this door closed is destroying the heat threoughout the house.
Also the way she suckles is not like an older cat suckling.
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Adore the pics - she is sooooooooo at home there Gill. The reason there are no lost posters could mean she is from further away. Remember my Smudge was nowhere near home. She could've got in a delivery van somewhere and ended up on your doorstop instead of your parcels :naughty: :hug:
Mary
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Have just put up a few posters and Mr Ford is gonner check shop at bottom of road for me cos still waiting for bloomin couriers.
If they would just come I could get her to the vets but I think the chances of finding her owner are virtually nil.
I live very rurally and all places are small and well spread out.
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I will check the pic when I get home and compare against my shed two :)
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So sad, have already had two hits on Pussy from Animal Search UK but neither is Pussy, both been absent a long time and one from Burry Port where I often go in the Summer.
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She doesn't look so sad from those piccies, Gill. :)
But sad for the people who're looking for their lost cats, I agree.
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The one at Burry Port will not accept its not her cat.......poor lady but it just isnt.
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Gill my Luna, aged 5 months, eats like a horse. She currently has two pouches a day plus quite a bit of Hobbes' wet that she pinches plus she eats kitten dry and has a nibble on the adult dry too. Always a clean bowl and I swear she would eat me if she got a chance. When I first got her she was on 4 meals a day of half a pouch plus dry and is now down to 3 times a day but the dry is always down for her. She also gets a few dreamies and temptations and pinches Hobbes' if he's not quick enough :rofl: It's always amazing how much such a little thing can put away :Crazy:
Not sure about the breathing but will check to see if she breathes quicker than Hobbes does, handy having the two of them so I can do a comparison for you.
Pussy is :Luv2: by the way - oh and Luna was the one hissing at Hobbes for the first few days, her language was choice for one so young :rofl: but she loves him now.
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:thanks: Ann
Now what we up to in the food stakes today.........2 pouches , half an 85 mg tin of tuna and shrimp and some biscuits but she is not keen on the biscuits I have,,,,,,,,,,that maybe 2 1/2 pouches , have lost track sighhhhhhhhhhhh
I wish she would stop peaking at me when I think she is asleep LOL
Well 3 mins to go and still no bloomin courier and another lost day,,,,,,,,,,,,,they wont take any calls and City Link seem to be in total chaos, even the phone number in the email is wrong.
Ups were bang on and an item picked up in Essex yesterday arrived around 1400
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:hug: You are having a stressful week. I was giggling away at 'Pussy power', methinks she is intent on establishing herself as top cat with both humans and felines! Faster breathing may mean she is simply taking in addtional oxygen which is needing for energy production; metabolism is faster in youngsters as growth and development are energy-hungry processes. She will see the vet soon enough. :hug:
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I found this on kitten breathing Gill although not sure how reliable it is :-:
http://www.askthecatdoctor.com/kittens-breathing.html
If it's any help Groucho does seem to breath faster than Noni. Groucho is also what me mom would call a complete "gorb" :evillaugh: He is now on 2 pouches a day plus a plate of chicken plus a generous handful of RC kitten biscuits and any treats he can worm out of us. He is always trying to eat others' fud esp Freddie's. Nothing gets left down here. He is fed alone and not let out till others have finished.
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Thanks Rosella, she seems to breather faster than that and is not particularily active..............I so want to get her to the vets.
Apart from purring she makes no noise unless like last night another cat walks in and then she moans and moans and swishes her tail and if like Franta who had a cuddle for a while , she hissed and hated me too for a very long time and she just kept moaning.
She has fully used the tray now and is a digger and a coverer and have had to change to a big tray cos she was kicking the litter out.
She will eat absolutely anything LOL, helped herself last night to my omlete and tonight to my mousaka.
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She will eat absolutely anything LOL, helped herself last night to my omlete and tonight to my mousaka.
I would help myself to those given half a chance, I bet you are a stonking cook. ;)
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I cant cook at all LOL, the mousaka was from M&S and just love it ;D
OK I made the omlete :-[
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When I first got Marble as a teeny kitten she hissed and growled sooooo much at Bourneville. I never thought she would like him plus it was so funny to see cos she was so small and he was so big...she was a bolshey and brave little thing. In the end they worked it out and of course she ended up being top cat lol! Worried the life out of me though.
Was lucky with Soap, she didn't do any of that. She just came in and wanted to play with everyone straight away bless her :)
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Gill, please go easy with what you allow her to eat :hug: Your Moussaka would contain onion which is highly toxic. I know she would have probably only eaten a bit, but best to be safe than sorry :hug:
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She was licking inside of the tray and I removed it as soon as I saw what she was doing, much to her disgust.
She thinks anything I am carrying contains food........sigh
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Know the feeling :hug: I get that with all my animals. Always have lol. Memphy will try to get into anything if my back is turned. Had no idea cats did that sort of thing until he came along. It's a good sign a cat is at home!
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She looks like a Gloria to me, a glamour puss :Luv:
Kittens do eat a lot, there's a lot of growing to do and she looks like she could be a big Gloria. They recommend 4 meals a day. On the odd occasion when I've had kittens they've have had up to 4 pouches a day plus biscuits. They haven't always eaten everything put down but it's there if they want it. Plus she might be worrying where ther next meal will be coming from. One of mine still gulps down any and all food he finds and he's been with me for over a year now. Until the vet says otherwise just let her eat.
Good luck
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How's your huge ilttle problem this morning Gill? ;D
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It depends on the size of your kitten how much they need. Our kittens each weigh just over 2kg and fit in a 12 can coke box to weight :shocked:
They have about 2 sachets a day each of whiskas kitten food plus a dish of purina kitten biscuits. It is spread over about 4 meals and they are always willing to eat!
They only have water.
Watch you kitten is not older and comes into season. Is it a male or a female?
It is a lovely kitten anyway and looks about 4 months old to me at least. Maybe it was getting to big for the owner so they threw it out though if it is a MC cross these are quite expensive so it could well be lost having sneaked out. Our kittens are not meant to go out till they are neutered and have not been out but they would LIKE to go out very much!
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Thanks for the info souflee :hug:
You have answered one question for me that hadnt asked yet which is about biscuits for kittens.
Pussy has now filled that hole in her tummy and last night couldnt quite finish her food and she is not drinking now either.
Sadly cant get her to vets today as I am now too ill and also need to get Ducha to vets cos he has become much worse overnight.
I dont really want them in the car together but as its a 40 mile drive they are going to have to go together tomorrow hopefully. Abs for me are going to be delivered later today.
I just dont need Pussy to catch what Ducha and Franta have had.
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She's stunning and appears to have firmly moved in.
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Sorry to read you are unwell yourself, Gill. :hug:
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The little problem is indeed huge grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I have just seen a terrified and possibly feral reaction from Pussy............I dont know if she has been mistreated or is a feral who is partly tamed but she has since last night been eyeing up the highest place in the room and have just had to clock it up to stop her getting hurt.
I know there is a gap behind the cd tower and if she was to leap onto it she is likely to fall down the back in a very small place and with pipes at the bottom.
I was watching her and she was ready to pounce so got to her as quick as I could and she reacted really badly. She tried to attack me and was hissing and moaning but also scared later when I moved to try and stroke her. I have cleared a little space on a shelf next to the tower and she has leaped from top of cat tree into that but it wasnt big enough or high enough for what she wanted, so she leapt back.
She is currently lying with her back to me on the cat tree!!
I distracted her with food from her attacking behavior but am really worried about her tonight.
Having no experience with kittens I dont know if I scared her, she reacts to no but not to changes of voice , like soft and trying to calm her. Once upset it carries on cos Franta came for a cuddle and she was lying on the lap top and he was on me and hey were only about 18inches apart and she was moaning but not as much and Franta has no interest in her....................or is he playing it crafty. I love him for being so cool 8)
She wriggled about on the lappy and lost me my cursor and has taken forever to get it working again.
I am very worried how I am going to get Pussy in a carrier tomorrow and how she will behave in a car with another cat who is likely to shout all the way.
She is friendly but only on her terms and there is a really hostile/scared side to her. I feel she only sees humans as mother cats and feeding machines and apart from that she doesnt like them very much.
She wants to be on high which I think is normal and the higher the better, especially if its above my head, think she feels safer.
Its maybe all a reaction to her being young and in a new experience but no clue what to do to try to reassure her. Her hostilty probably is going to be massive after being in a carrier in a car and with another cat.
I would love to hear your views on what I can try to help her but dont think I will be on before I go to vets tomorrow.
Wish me luck.......sigh
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Gill with you not knowing her history it could just be a case of she had little human contact and therefore any sudden movement can send them on a hissy fit as such. It could be that she was in a home with young children that used to just grab her and pull her about and spook her if she was asleep and could be another reason she is looking for a high place.
As for her taking a while to calm down some cats just have attitude and when they are in that mood it is best to leave them until they are ready and she will come to you. Try to avoid direct eye contact with her as with cats this can be seen as a sign of aggression towards them and if your eyes do meet just blink slowly as this tells the cat you are not a threat. Cats normally like high places to get out of the way or to be able to see what is going on around them more easily. I would say she is mainly exploring her domain and looking around at all different layers. If she is grumbling less when Franta is about it could be that she is beginning to settle down with them and accept that they live there as well. I would take that as a positive sign. In all honesty I think you may have spooked her slightly or she could have gone in a mood as she never got her own way to get on top of the cd rack. Be careful of giving her food when she is attacking as Pussy (Rosie) will see it as a reward for the behaviour, in those instances just walk away from her and totally ignore her and she will learn that the behaviour is not acceptable.
If she was a feral or semi tamed feral she would not of come on your knee the first night and paddled (kneaded) on you as I have two tamed ferals and neither particularly like the knee but will come and lay down next to me, one for belly rubs and the other for kisses to the top of the head, but bear in mind these are 7 year old and 12 year old cats that have been with me from being about 3 or 4 months old. Ferals and tamed ferals will hide under things if in strange surroundings and would not come for food when you are there or are very cautious when doing it and watching you constantly. Some cats also detest being picked up and can go on a major mood offensive if you try and have one that is like that but he came from a home where the person allowed her 3 year old to drag them around and carry them about and they were sort of bear hugged under the front legs and back legs dangling.
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Thank you Ellen that is very helpful :hug:
Yes I agree I may have spooked her cos had to stop her jumping up there.
Didnt think about food being a reward for bad behaviour but you are right, I must train her not the other way round :shify: :shify:
A lot of sense in everything you say and will read again tomorrow after the vet visit.
Most appreciated and now bed calls ;D
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Gill, just wanted to say good luck with your vet visit today, especially with your little hiss-spit. I also wanted to say, please look after yourself too. :hug: :hug:
Ellen - a lot of interesting info there, and it sounds very sensible and logical. I know I'd be very confused with a kitten as it's been such a long time since we had one of our own, and the only time I looked after a friend's for a fortnight, he was an absolute darling - a little black and white ball of fun and mischief who fitted into the family situation without a hitch. (Well, apart from waking us up in the middle of the night with commando style attacks on our toes :doh:)
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Brilliant advice from Ellen :)
I'd also say deffo not feral or even semi feral. She sounds like a darling in comparison to Tyson and TT. Deffo ignore when she is naughty and don't be worried about the up high thing as that is normal, cats feel safer in high up places. What Ellen said abotu eye contact is also very important. She has only been with you for a few days so is probably still trying to suss you out.
You may have to pick her up by the scruff of the neck if she won't go into the carrier of her own accord. I know you don't do that with the big guys but with her still being a kitten and more used to her mum doing it she should be ok. It also means she will keep still. I stil have to scruff Marble to ger her in a carrier as its the only way she will go in and without me getting hurt.
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Best of luck at the vets Gill :hug:
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Just a quickie Gill to wish you look at vets and to say Groucho has had a habit of climbing up our dressing gowns on bedroom door and balancing precariously on top of door. It's a bit of a worry as we need to try and remember to look before opening the door :shify: He loves high up places and def not a feral boy.
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Awww kitty is gorgeous & so lucky to have found you.
Hope you feel better soon & good luck at the vets x x
(wish a kitten would find this house, we have an older cat who walks in for a fuss, food & warmth.
It lives in the street but out in the cold alot)
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Just here to wish you good luck with the vet visit but I expect I'm too late for that. :doh:
I don't think Pussy is feral either, as others have said she wouldn't have come on your knee first night if she was. Yes you may have spooked her but not too badly or she wouldn't then have sat with her back to you. Frightened cats like to keep an eye on the enemy. I think you've just acquired yourself a right little madam. :hug:
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I think you've just acquired yourself a right little madam.
Me too........ :)
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Ferals and tamed ferals will hide under things if in strange surroundings and would not come for food when you are there or are very cautious when doing it and watching you constantly.
Oh yes! Suki was running semi-wild on a farm when they spotted the limp and trapped her prior to rescuing... while she's the biggest lap-cat going (well she prefers to sit across your chest, tail rammed up your nostril for maximum attention to be honest), if she's at ALL scared about anything - someone new coming to the house, my mother coming (there's an obsessional mutual hatred thing going on between the pair of 'em), or if we've moved - she'll find a hidey hole and you won't see her for hours at the best, days at the worst.
I've learnt the hard way and do a sweep of the house for hidey holes before releasing the cat when we move since I've had to extract her from halfway up the chimney, under a fitted cooker and under kitchen cupboards before. The other thing is if she DOES get out she won't ever ever come in response to being called - you have to leave a door open, wait for the stomach to get the better of her and then trap her back in the house - it's like she completely loses the plot altogether. Apart from that you'd never know this one's sleeping rough roots - but she's a very very very self-centred cat who sussed out she was onto a good thing if she played the human game to perfection!
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Thank you all wonderful people ;D ;D
Just back from vets and Pussy is female and 4 months, no chip.
They gave me some kitten biscuits but afraid she has had better and went and devoured Sasas fish breakfast, cos Sasa was out playing in the snow......sigh..
I am told that she should be on kitten food but wondering if she will eat it after having adult food............what do you think?
Her tummy has a limit and once its full now she stops eating, thank goodness.
Richard is so good at handling cats and kittens and she was putty in his hands but happy to get back into the carrier..................corrrrrr had a big fight to get her in and she got our twice before I could slam the door, She then sulked at the back of the carrier!!
Ducha couldnt sing all the way cos his voice has virtually gone and I think it hurts to sing, so the car was nice and peaceful and could concentrate driving.
Richard says not much can be done for Ducha cos this has a life span of two weeks but has had a convenia jab to make sure he gets no seconadary infections. Bisolven in his food to break down rhe mucas and wait........sigh
Its been such a strain for Pussy she is now snoozing on the cat tree..................she should be so lucky!
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Oh Gill that's good news you got there and back safely and without mishap. And so she is a girl - she does look very feminine - very like Miss Noni Baroni. Lushussness is to blossom, I suspect. :) 4 months old. Poor baby, being out in all that cold and snow.
Am hoping the jab makes Ducha feel much better very soon. :hug:
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I am so sorry that this poor little girl didn't have a chip and isn't being missed by someone - poor you Gill, I know its the last thing you need
at the moment :hug:
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Oh Gill. Am also so sorry that she is not chipped. What sort of dry kitten food did they give you? Groucho doesn't like the felix kitten wet pouches I tried him with but will eat RC dry kitten food so I mix that the wet adult food and he eats it OK. He seems to be fine on it. He does try hard to get his mits on the adult dry but the one time I allowed that he got the trots which was not nice :sick:
Has she been wormed and treated for fleas? I assume Richard said she was healthy enough?
She will need to be spayed before too long. Are you in touch with CP? Sorry if you've said already but I'm thinking about voucher for spaying altho I'm sure you'll hope to have rehomed her within 2 months :hug: It doesn't always work that way though so best be prepared. Oh dear. I am probably completely winding you up :-[ :hug: :hug: Don't mean to honest :-[
Am keeping everything crossed for the stunningly gorgeous Ducha and hope he can shake this off quickly poor lamb :care: :care:
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:hug: Rolo was on Bisolven when he had mucas on his chest, Worked wonders for him, just hope it does the same
for Ducha x
Am sure kitten will find a wonderful forever home x
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Glad you got there and back in one piece Gill but what a shame Pussy isn't chipped or reported as lost. Re her eating kitten food if she is anything like Luna she will happily eat the kitten food but then pinch any remaining adult food which is left behind :innocent: Like Groucho she has the RC kitten dry and she loves that.
Agree with what others have said, she certainly doesn't seem feral or semi feral. Hobbes still likes to jump onto the top of door frames at regular intervals just to prove he can and he can still be spooked by anything unusual - remember me losing him for 10 hours when Luna screeched and he got a fright :Crazy:. I have had him since he was 12 weeks old and he was in foster care before that so no idea where that comes from, I think he is basically just a wuss :rofl:
It's good that she is a bit less growly with the others now, with Luna it was a bit of a defensive thing when she hissed at Hobbes to start with because he was so much bigger than her but once she realised he wasn't going to attack her she settled down fine. I know you'll be trying to find her a new home but at least it would make things a little easier for you in the meantime if she is less moany with your gang.
Sending big :hug: to you all and hoping that Ducha and you feel better soon.
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They gave me RC dry kitten food and she turned her nose up at it lol
I dont think she has fleas and forgot all about worming but yes Richard said she is healthy and had her in his hands which were round her tummy so think he would have said if he thought she needed worming.
Fraid my head not working so well and the traffic was horrible once off M4 and roads worse than round here and then got huffy person on reception when I asked if it would cost anything for Pussy to be scanned , sexed and aged. She said that I should have rung about Duch coming despite what the vet told me yesterday and yes it would likely cost for Pussy.............told her I wouldnt have her done then but Richard said no cost...............well he could after it cost me £40 for convenia jab and consultation for Ducha!
No I havent contacted CP and not doing anything now till after Christmas, just want Franta fully fit, Ducha to recover and no other cat to catch it, and me to recover too......sigh
How old was Groucho when he came to you Rosella, Pussy has been eating adult food for two days now but it would be felix kitten food if I change.....she doesnt like the adult biscuits eiether, so maybe she doesnt like dry food or has found wet food tastier here!
Solitaire tuna flakes and shrimp slips down easily lol...............far too easily :innocent:
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Glad she's healthy Gill but pity no chip, not that you really expected to find one did you?
As regards the food I would think she would find kitten food more appetising that adult rather than less. It is more nutrient rich and has a higher calorific value which, as with human food, usually means its tastier. :naughty: Penny wouldn't eat the dry at first - she preferred to play football with it, but I got some Morrisons own brand which is a smaller sized chunk (and quite a pretty shape if I remember rightly :) ) and she loved that. She had a tendency to lick the jelly off Felix kitten and leave the chunks so I put her on Whiskas kitten pate which she devoured for a while but tsoon tired of. She then went back to Felix and, like most cats, had her favourite and less favourite flavours.
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It may be Rosie is remaining on high to keep an eye on all the cats that have invaded her ;) territory, whilst she gets the measure of them?
Kitten food is supposed to be higher in quality protein (animal) and saturated fat (calories) than the adult equivalent. However you can't fairly compare one brand of adult food to another brand of kitten food as each manufacturer will use a different amount of meat in their range. Royal Canin contains a high percentage of cereals, so won't be as high in quality protein as a good adult wet. Just to be clear, plant proteins are low quality and animal derivatives high quality for an obligate carnivore.
The kitten kibble likely will be higher in fat, tho whether it is higher in useable calories is a debatable point. Some felines poop out carbs too fast to extract much energy, and none have the metabolic make-up to make full use of the energy within. Kibbles tend to be made tasty not by being full of natural goodness but by spraying each biscuit with animal digest. This is why many cats find meat-flavoured cornflakes Go Cat and the like irresistible. >:(
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Gill she should eat the kitten food as in wet food as it has smaller chunks than the adults and has the extra nutrients that little growing Rosie will need. With some cats they just don't like biscuits and others try it on if they think they can get away with not eating them (I have had fosters that refused to eat biscuits until I put my foot down and told them if they were hungry they would eat them (these are cats that have been built up to what they should be and was not done until the vets were happy with the weight)).
I have fun everytime one of mine have to go in pet carriers although I have a couple around the house that they are allowed to sleep in to try and deminish the stress for both but does not work.
In all honesty Gill I think she has been dumped because she would be attacking the tree and the owners could not cope with it, surprising how many do go out the door at this time of year as people don't realise how much work they really are.
Oh beat this yesterday two kids came to see if I knew where they could get a kitten from in time for xmas, they just got told that I did not and the rescues would not be homing at this time of year until around the second week of January as that seems the blanket policy where I happen to live unless they actually know the person personally and they have had animals from them before. Yes I am able if I wanted to add to my family at this time of year but they all know that if an animal comes to me it is for the animals life and I have fostered animals for over 20 years, but will not help people that just knock on my door asking if I know where they can get them from.
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I'm glad you managed to get little Rosie to the vets. It sounds as though she's been poorly socialised and possibly living rough for a little while. I hope things settle down a bit for you and that Ducha and Franta both get well so that you can have a (relatively) relaxing christmas!
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Gill our 3 kittens Charlie aged 25 weeks, Echo 20 weeks and Pagan 18 weeks are all on adult food and all are hale and hearty so wouldn't worry if she is only eating adult food ours crunch the big biscuits with gusto ;D
Hope all your crew get well soon and of course you as well and Rosie is a nice name for a kitten more so that Pussy!!!! ;)
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lol pussy does mind me of are you being served! Tilly ate adult food from about 5 months, she just pinched her brothers food, she is a big strong girl now as well
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So the plot thickens Gill ;)
Really wish cats could talk and then we would know the history of this little pussy. :Luv2:
So glad you've been able to get advice from all the kitten handling Purrs people on here - well done you lot. :hug:
Would be lovely oif they could all get on together but life ain't that simple :(
Maybe you'll have to find her a home for everyones sake after Christmas.
Mary
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Gill our 3 kittens Charlie aged 25 weeks, Echo 20 weeks and Pagan 18 weeks are all on adult food and all are hale and hearty so wouldn't worry if she is only eating adult food ours crunch the big biscuits with gusto ;D
Hope all your crew get well soon and of course you as well and Rosie is a nice name for a kitten more so that Pussy!!!! ;)
I'm with Liz. Adult food is fine for her. Kitten food is a relatively new concept anyway, once upon a time it was one food for all. Now there is kitten, junior, adult and senior :shocked: :shocked:
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I'm with Liz. Adult food is fine for her. Kitten food is a relatively new concept anyway, once upon a time it was one food for all. Now there is kitten, junior, adult and senior :shocked: :shocked:
Agree, adult food will be fine, load of old marketing tosh these 'lifestages' foods! :evillaugh:
It worries me that vets are pushing DRY food for kittens as young as this (and probably younger) :(
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I have fun everytime one of mine have to go in pet carriers although I have a couple around the house that they are allowed to sleep in to try and deminish the stress for both but does not work.
Throw in a handful of treats each day..... ;)
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I have been given two bags of the rc kitten kibble so think I will pass on kitten wet but get the flavours of adult she seems to prefer, which is the poultry selection rather than the fish and get some more cat milk.
She doesnt even understand a box......sigh. She has been sitting on the window sill looking out.
She is having a good look around the room and didnt moan when Franta came in but looked at him looking at her and just turned her back on him LOL.
He is playing it soooooooooo cool cos I think he knows she is a girl cat and he loves girl cats but Sasa hates him LOL
I have had a cat carrier by the radiator for last two days but like boxes she shows no interest.
I havent given her any treats cos want to get her food sorted and she is not eating so much now.
I just put up a little artifical tree with lights built in and she noticed when it came on but showed no interst in it..............maybe its all just overload for her at the moment so she just potters and sleeps and eats.
She has had a hard day ,40 miles in a car, seeing the vet, other cats around my house and she is so little even compared to Franta.
Think we will just plod on one day at a time and see what happens.
Thank you all for giving advice based on your experiences cos it really helps ;D
I took some more pics last night so will post up if they have come out after I get back from Tescos.................hope all the cars have gone :scared:
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Sounds like you were spot on with age thing Gill in looking at Callie and Monty and comparing :) We have never had any problems with them eating the Purina kitten biscuits and Whiskas kitten food though they prefer the gravy to the jelly ones. I did mix in some adult Purina I had left in to the kitten once and they left all the big biscuits though so maybe they could not manage the big lumps?
She will eat it I think if you only offer it.
The rescue said to keep them on kitten food until after they are neutered. They need wormed once a month till 6 months(1/2 a Milbemax and flea'd with frontline every 6 weeks though I haven't done this as I see no point when there is no evidence of fleas on them or any other animals in the house and I groom them daily) After 6 months they said every 3 months for worming. They have just had their first leukaemia jabs but the other jabs were completed at 12 weeks. The next is due Jan 4th and they are booked in for neutering on 19th Jan at nearly 6 months as the vet says they are well grown and Callie could come in to season. I will definitely go on to adult after the neutering though so I think she will be fine on this.
I hope you get things sorted out soon and find a solution that is right for Pussy and for you. I also hope you feel better soon. This time of year is very stressful and knocks us all for six I think.
Callie and Monty do still have 'furry fits' when something startles them and jam themselves somewhere so I think Pussy just got a wee fright and it takes them a while to settle again. Normally we just ignore then initiate a game (they can't resist a knitting needle boggle). Does Pussy play? If she does she likely had a home once upon a time. I would teach her play and this will bond her closer.
Get better soon xxxx
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Talk about torn I would so love to give a home to a needy cat but I have to be sensible and accept that Amber is happy as an only cat
I hope things work out for you in the best way possible
love
Tab
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So glad Pussy is healthy ;D
Poor little thing being out in the cold at such a young age . Do hope she settles and fits in with the others :hug:
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How old was Groucho when he came to you Rosella,
The vet aged him at 8 weeks Gill. As his eyes were still blue around the edges, I think certainly no older than 10 weeks. Have to say he strikes me as very mature in temperament which I assume is a result of his time alone as a young un. He was very fiesty with the others when he arrived but, as OH commented this evening, he is most definitely part of the family now.
I am sure it's not absolutely necessary to feed kitten food but am sure I too would ignore the dry kibble and hold out for the
Solitaire tuna flakes and shrimp ...........
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I have fun everytime one of mine have to go in pet carriers although I have a couple around the house that they are allowed to sleep in to try and deminish the stress for both but does not work.
Throw in a handful of treats each day..... ;)
Oh believe me have tried that and they don't fall for it :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Don't know whether I'm missing a thread, but how is Rosie??
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The x-ploits of Pussy are on the Ateam thread lol
However she is doing very well and can be like a real kitten and thats getting worying as am almost scared to come in here in the morning wondering what she may have done overnight.
She desperately needs a forever home and would love her to go to someone on Purrs who I know and trust.
She is loving and a purrpot and soooooooooooooo sweet, she is no trouble at all but its now becoming a real problem with my other cats, especially Misa who is scared of her :shify: :shify: and Franta and Ducha who feel they cant come down for cuddles cos the door is pulled too.
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However she is doing very well and can be like a real kitten and thats getting worying as am almost scared to come in here in the morning wondering what she may have done overnight.
Welcome to my world!
I hope you can find her a nice, forever home. I still am puzzled as to where she's come from. She has quite striking looks and seems well cared for.
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Yes you are right but it seems nobody is looking for her :(
She has such a lovely temperament too
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Now Gill if you were closer she could come and cause Chaos with Charlie, Echo and Pagan ;D
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Oh Liz, if only :hug: :hug:
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It's not out of the question is it....? ;)
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It must be nearly 7 hours in a car from us to Gill I think
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Longer I think, would only make the Lake District in about that time!
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You could meet half way ;) :hug:
Mary
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A fair bit longer I would say. More of a weekend event than a "do it in a day"
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Exactly right Sue so need a home for her much closer, she is so little trouble.
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Now Gill cats have been moved further we bought a cat from Wales to Aberdeen from Diddydawn for Elaine so it is possible
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DD was in North Wales so closer........sigh
However I have you on the back burner Liz if thats Ok.
I need to get decisive but not feeling well at present.
Today I have noticed the poster on the lamp post outside nasty neighbour has gone.................surprise surprise!
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More healing vibes for Gill, I think. :hug:
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Advice please concerning neutering for Pussy.
She is 4 months old and no shaved area from spaying and that must mean she is not spayed I think.............right??
So what age do you get kittens spayed and is it before they come into season?
How can I get a voucher from CP?
I know chipping is often done when they are spayed but what about first vaccination?
I really want Pussy to be spayed before going to a new home but she is on offer now, if anyone thinks they would love to have this very cute little tabby.
She is in SW Wales but am willing to bring her into England as far as I can.
I dont know how she will be with other cats and think she will need an safe inside/outdoor home.
She has just got freaked by a little girl staring at her from outside, while Pussy was looking thro the window............one of the relatives of the nasty child next door.
Pussy is now suckling like crazy and just wants to cuddle while being stroked and purring like a steam train ;D
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Pussy is absolutely gorgeous, I would love to catnap her ;D Got to be practical though :innocent:
Vaccinations are usually done at 10 and 12 weeks IIRC, it's a while since I did it for a kitten! Spaying is usually at 6 months, some vets will do a little earlier if kitty is big enough, some stick stringently to 6 months regardless.
I think you can ring CP head office for a voucher or your local branch but I'm not 100% about that, someone from CP will advise correctly.
This little girl certainly fell on her paws coming to you didn't she :Luv2:
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Gill in the past we have vaccinated, ID CHipped, speyed/neutered and programme injectioned in the past with no ill effect and our offer is still open we would need a transport run put together but she will be welcome here to join the trio of chaos I already have there's always room for one more here at the Clan and Daddy goes to Hull on Sunday for 2 weeks so he won't notice another one :rofl:
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Yes Liz thanks for the offer but initially want to try a home closer but if not able, I will gratefully accept your offer :hug: :hug:
You are ace ;D
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You definitely don't have to wait for a season to spay, otherwise you will have to deal with the most horrendous racket and escape attempts that would rival James Bond. If you want Rosie to go to a new home spayed you might be best trying to find a vet that will do the op earlier than six months, as at present she is a cute kitten ... ;)
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A lot of vets are stringent about weight also so even if she was 6 months old and not 2.5 kilos they may still refuse to spay. I have been lucky as there is a vet near us that will spay/neuter at 2 kilos even if they are only around 5 months old. Basically it is down to the vet at what age and weight they will neuter a cat/kitten. Maybe best asking your vet and getting her weight checked to see if she falls into when they would at least do her. CP will do as soon as vets will allow and will also give vouchers if the cat is booked in for neutering.
Hope this helps Gill as my youngest two Miffy was 5 1/2 months old and Domino was 5 months old when they were done, Domino was at the 2 kilo weight which is the bottom end of what any vet will contemplate neutering.
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I dont think she is 2.5 kilos, may be wrong but cant contact the vet until next week. I also dont want her coming into season LOL.