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In Loving Memory Cats => Rainbow Bridge - In Loving Memory => Topic started by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 11, 2009, 01:12:09 AM

Title: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 11, 2009, 01:12:09 AM
A longish story sorry and the vet who is looking after Franta is not in tomorrow (Wed)

Ariund lunchtime I was posting on Purrs and from behind me came an extreme;y loud yowl, not a normal birman howl. It was Franta and he had sat up on hos cushion and was drooling everywhere. He yowled a couple more times and I tried to dry up all the drool which was hanging out of his mouth and he was soaking. Even Misa was worried about him and came over to see if he was alright.

He then came to lie with me om the sofa for a while, had a good yawn and his mouth looks fine inside and then went and slept in Sasas new bed which upset Sasa!

Late afternoon he was sitting up after a long sleep and again drool every where. Cleaned him up again and apart from Sasa being upset at him he seemed to be fine.

Later on he came and meowed like I am hungry so put out some Solitaire chicken fillets in jelly, all he usuasakky does is lick the jelly if I am lucky.........most of you will know that he doesnt not eat well and hasnt for a long time.

I could not believe what I was seeing cos I had divided up the little tin into two dishes with a bit left over , one was going upstairs for ducha but I put them both on the floor without thinking and Ftanta demolished both dishes and completely cleaned the dishes. I have never seen him eat anything with bits or lumps or meat?fish before. Infact he was acting like he was still hungry do put the remaining bit out in a dish and he ate about half.

He then went upstairs and upset Ducha cos he went and lay on the bed like he used to but hasnt since all the vet trips in Oct/Nov and cosequently Ducha came downstairs cos he wasnt happy........he hardly ever comes down stairs!

Ducha just came downstairs again and not a happy bunny so went back up with him and yes Franta lying on the bed but he has also eaten Duchas fish, cleaned the dish of whatever Ducha didnt eat.  No signs of any more drooling but I came into the study and yes, as I expected Franta had brought up all the food he had eaten , probably a while back, so thats why he is hungry again.

He wont touch the felix but ate some more of the fish hi-life which like the chicken in jelly is very rich compared to what he normally eats.

I am hoping he will keep some of this latest batch down cos he hasnt stuffed himself like the first time and its a complete food like the chicken was.

I am concerned about two things,the drooling which I have never seen him do before, infact have never seen any of my cats like that and the eating which is totally out of character for Franta and I have been trying to get him to eat since October and so has the vet but the best he would do is lick jelly or gravy off food and nibble some biscuits.

Has anyone come across this kind of complete change in behavior of knows possiblities of why the drooling and the sudden huge appetite?

I will be grateful for any info as the vet that looks after him is not working today (wed).

He has now succeeded in upsetting all 3 other cats and made me worried.......sigh
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Post by: Sheli_80 on February 11, 2009, 03:20:27 AM
I don't know about the drooling but Henry went through something similar just before he was diagnosed with an overactive thyroid. I just couldn't fill him up and he was constantly pestering me for food or milk, he was really nasty to the other pair as well. He was a lot more active as well, normally he would just sit about his igloo until it was time for food or he wanted cuddles but he would be wandering all over the house trying to find food or squawking by the fridge for hours.

I would most likely get him checked but I'm a total worrier and the type that was ringing the vet every time Henry so much as sneezed more than once.

Isn't it just so typical though, you worry when they don't eat then worry when they do.
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Post by: 2d on February 11, 2009, 03:38:52 AM
am sure i red something about drooling recently - hang on a bit
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Post by: 2d on February 11, 2009, 03:48:01 AM
ok, it seems to be a symptom of some fairly nasty things, as well as some not so nasty, so it'll be off to the vet with him.

http://www.cathealth.com/drooling.htm (http://www.cathealth.com/drooling.htm)

http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/drooling.html (http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/drooling.html)



Hope it's not too serious, and that he feels better soon.
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Post by: Mark on February 11, 2009, 07:09:53 AM
I don't know about the drooling but sudden appetite does seem to point at Thyroid issues - I know most can be sorted easily with meds or an op though - hope is OK  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 11, 2009, 07:14:42 AM
I've had lots of drooling kitties, only with mouth problems though always with teeth or once when our Squeaky had found a bone and it was wedged in the roof of his mouth.

The appetite sounds very much like hyperthyroidism but could be other things - not sure of any relation between the 2 - is he still drooling?
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 11, 2009, 07:44:38 AM
Gill, hope you can get Franta sorted today :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 11, 2009, 09:06:31 AM
Gill how strange, it's like he's been taken over by an alien.  Hope he's calmed down a bit today and let's hope the vet can help on Thursday - even just talking to the vet might help.

Good luck.

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: clarenmax on February 11, 2009, 09:41:19 AM
My first suggestions was going to be thyroid as well, as it can cause the changes in appetite, and their behaviour can change as well, with Max I noticed he was much more grumpy than usual, not like him at all.

As for the drooling I'm not sure, but another symptom Max had before he was diagnosed was, and its hard to describe, almost hiccuping sounds and licking around his mouth, so again there could be a link?

I would suggest maybe some blood tests to check the thyroid levels hun, but try not to worry  :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on February 11, 2009, 11:29:40 AM
Gill, i hope Franta is feeling better today. :hug: :hug:

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Post by: Kirst on February 11, 2009, 11:56:56 AM
Never come across the drooling but Beavis (whom I also struggle to get food into) sometimes had periods where we wants to eat for England. I've noticed that he eats less when he is constipated and makes up for it when he's 'been' :shy:

Hope Franta is feeling better today -  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 11, 2009, 11:57:52 AM
thanks for the info peeps. He only seems to drool after he has been asleep cos he was awake when I got up but he has been drooling cods his bib is stiff.

He doesnt seem hungry for ordinary cat food this morning but someone has eaten quite a few biscuits so if that was him, he maybe isnt hungry.

All his probs started after having some teeth sorted and his moth looks fine to me and he had full blood tests in November and was Ok but he only has one working kidney.

I know the vet was very worried about his not eating cos of damaging his liver but when he went back in january he had put on weight!

I was hoping not to have to stress him with a long car journey and cant talk to his vet cos she doesnt work on Weds but will ring vets and see if one of the others can advise................am sure they will just say bring him in tomorrow though..........sigh
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 11, 2009, 12:12:07 PM
Have rung the vets and they are going to get Rachel, his vet , to ring me first thing tomorrow to see if she thinks he needs to go and see her.

Maybe I will know a bit more how he is acting by then too....................still in Sasas cat bed and she is still upset over this.........sigh
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 11, 2009, 12:19:35 PM
Can't offer advice and explanations to help but just sending you a big  :hug: and telling you not to worry too much (from the woman who worries whatever!)
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Post by: Stuart on February 11, 2009, 12:27:44 PM
me too  :shy:
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Millys Mum on February 11, 2009, 13:28:07 PM
I hope hes ok Gill, nausea came to mind for the drooling but that wouldnt encourage eating!   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: James on February 11, 2009, 13:43:56 PM
Thinking of you both! Worrying over a cats behaviour and well being are new to me, but it's suprised me how concerned i've been recently - so can only sympathise and hope things get better  :Luv:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 11, 2009, 16:13:53 PM
Very worried and am now off to vets with Franta cos just seen him have one of these drooling attcks and think he is in pain  :(
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Post by: Janeyk on February 11, 2009, 16:18:06 PM
I hope hes ok Gill, nausea came to mind for the drooling but that wouldnt encourage eating!   :hug: :hug:


yep same here, I would think it could if he is really hungry and making too much acid.

Best of luck Gill, poor boy  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on February 11, 2009, 16:18:47 PM
Best of luck hun, keep us posted with what the vet says  :hug: x
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 11, 2009, 16:31:01 PM
Good luck at the vets Gill  :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 11, 2009, 16:37:10 PM
Thinking of you both Gill.

Love Mary and Bonnie   :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on February 11, 2009, 16:41:17 PM
thinking of you Gill
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 11, 2009, 17:11:58 PM
Hope nall goes well at the vet Gill, thinking of you both :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on February 11, 2009, 17:26:22 PM
Good luck x 
:get well:
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Post by: bunglycat on February 11, 2009, 17:27:48 PM
Best of luck at the vets Gill -hope Franta is better real soon.
Sending  :hug: :hug: to you all.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 11, 2009, 17:42:10 PM
Hope the vet visit goes well will check back later for update.   :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on February 11, 2009, 18:24:54 PM
I keep checking back to see if there is any news, thinking of you x
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 11, 2009, 19:34:32 PM
Me too
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on February 11, 2009, 19:42:50 PM
Any news?  :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on February 11, 2009, 19:43:50 PM
Still nothing  :(
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 11, 2009, 20:31:13 PM
Hope everything is ok
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Post by: Kirst on February 11, 2009, 20:39:53 PM
 :hug: :hug: for Gill , I do hope Franta is OK.
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Post by: MrsR on February 11, 2009, 20:41:08 PM
Gills online now so hopefully its good news
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Post by: Kirst on February 11, 2009, 20:46:27 PM
I so hope so , I love Franta. :(
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 11, 2009, 20:46:57 PM
Thank you for all the kind thoughts  :hug:

We got back about an hour ago and the vet saw him drooling cos its started again just after we arriived but not the horriibe stuff that made me leave so quick........he was chattering his teeth and producig all this drool and howling like he was in pain.

The vet examined him and he didnt have a temperature and his mouth looked fine, his kidneys were not painful and it had got to head scratching time and the vet turned away to have another read of his notes and Franta started to stick a paw in one ear over and over. so the vet felt round his ears and it seemed like he was in pain, so had a look in that ear and that was it!

Franta had told us where he was hurting and he has a nasty ear infection, He has had an antibiotic injection and we have drops for his ear.

I am so relieved  ;D

Before this was discovered Richard the other vet came ib and was saying that drooling is often a sign of pain and then Will said that he had something similiar with one of his cats and took ages to find out what the problem was but he had a fish hook stuck in the base of his tail, once it was out  the drooloing stopped.

So learnt a lot today but wonddrful Franta got so fed up with being fumbled and prodded he decided to tell us where the hurt was............I love you Franta  ;D ;D
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 11, 2009, 20:48:21 PM
Well done, Franta.  You clever chap!  ;D

I'm glad you've found out the reason for the drooling, and that it's something easily treated.  I hope he's feeling better soon  :Luv:
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 11, 2009, 20:49:08 PM
I am SO pleased its been sorted - I think a lot of us have been holding our breath and crossing our fingers  :Luv2:  :hug: :hug: :hug: For you and Franta  :Luv2:
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Post by: MrsR on February 11, 2009, 20:49:57 PM
Oh Gill I am crying, I am so happy it was something simple, although Franta would tell me different I am sure.   Such a clever kitty telling everyone where the pain was.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 11, 2009, 20:51:47 PM
Thank you cos I was so worried about him and its such a relief  ;D
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Post by: MrsR on February 11, 2009, 20:52:51 PM
 :hug: Gill when it got later and later and you'd not posted it just scared me because of what I have gone through recently but I just cannot tell you how happy I am Franta is ok  :)
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Post by: clarenmax on February 11, 2009, 20:56:50 PM
Fantastic news, and clever boy Franta for showing the vet what was wrong  :Luv2:  :hug:
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Post by: hannah (weeny) on February 11, 2009, 20:59:13 PM
so glad to see the good news - although ear infections are horrid, poor baby  :(

clever boy for telling what was wrong  :Luv:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 11, 2009, 20:59:45 PM
I think we were all getting a bit anxious.  So glad it's diagnosed and hope the meds kick in soon  :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on February 11, 2009, 21:01:02 PM
Clever boy ,  :hug: :hug: for you and Franta. x
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 11, 2009, 21:01:54 PM
I am sorry to worry you Mrs R and so understand  :hug:

We have a an hour or more drive each way to the vet and got there about 1730 as scheduled but had to stop oiff at Tescoes on the way back cos had run out of the expensive cat food he was eating...........hope he will continue to eat now!

Trying to de-stress here now and still need to eat, also need to get drops in his ear........sigh
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Post by: maryas on February 11, 2009, 21:13:55 PM
Oh my God Gill, what a story and a half.  :hug: :wow: :Luv2:  I can't believe Franta tolf the vet what was wrong with him  :wow:

I am so glad he did.  You must've been scared out of your tiny mind.

Love to you both.

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: MrsR on February 11, 2009, 21:16:18 PM
Oh Gill don't apologise hunnie I am just glad all is ok
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Post by: Janeyk on February 11, 2009, 21:18:12 PM
So glad Franta is getting sorted  :)
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Post by: Stuart on February 11, 2009, 21:23:35 PM
Clever Franta  :wow: Good for Him !!  ;D
so glad it was something treatable Gill
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 11, 2009, 21:24:05 PM
Awww what a clever boy!!!!! Im so glad its nothing too seriuous , but poor Franta - ear-ache is the pits!

On the plus side lets hope his renewed eating keeps up! :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 11, 2009, 21:27:39 PM
Yer, good point Kirst, I forgot about that Gill.  Did the vet say why he might've been pretending to be a dustbin  :rofl: :rofl:  Bet you forgot with you being so scared. :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 11, 2009, 21:34:29 PM
Its all linked to the pain apparently, cant remember the details though but apparently the drooling is usually a sign of pain, unless catnip involved! This was far more than drool over cat nip , it was pouring out of his mouth and all over every where cos its so wet.

I reckon he had some infection in his ear maybe for a while and it suddenly burst, I wonder how long the poor boy has ben in pain, definately since yesterday afternoon I reckon. But this afternoon something happened that made him worse.

I had noticed that the drooling started when he had been lying down and he was going crazy on the desk for a few seconds and I think he was trying to get away from what ever was hurting him.

In the car he spent most of time lying down and was scared he would have another attack while on the M4 but he waited till we got to the vets, although no teeth chattering and not so much howling.

I hope he continues to eat and wonder if this goes back to when he had his teeth done.
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 11, 2009, 21:59:34 PM
Am so glad he's OK Gill and it's something easily treated.  Fingers crossed his appetite will hold up. Don't stand any nonsense with the ear drops  :)  :hug: Poor lad  :(
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 11, 2009, 22:53:14 PM
Good news!  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on February 11, 2009, 23:46:17 PM
Great news  :)

Hopefully he will have a good sleep and be on the mend by tomorrow  :hug:
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Post by: Sheli_80 on February 12, 2009, 01:46:31 AM
So happy to hear that he going to be O.K, and omg what a clever boy telling the vet what was wrong with him!!

Hope he keeps up his appetite.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 12, 2009, 07:44:54 AM
 :shify:  Mornin Auntee Gill.

Messuj fer der Faberlush Frantaman - yoo dunt be norty wen meowmy puts der drops in yer earies.  Dey's gud fer yoo.  ok?  :ok:

Paddy xx
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 12, 2009, 07:55:26 AM
Glad you got him to the vets and they found the problem (with FRanta's help of course), and lets hope the meds work quickly.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 12, 2009, 09:46:20 AM
I've just seen this and I'm so pleased that it's something you can sort out with a.b.s and well done Franta for pointing his ears out to the vet. Especially pleased for you Gill, as it seems such a long way to your vet too. I hope he is already on the mend  :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 10:10:21 AM
So glad Franta has got 9 lives.  Hope he's feeling much better this morning.

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 11:12:19 AM
afraid i have had a very bad night with franta and has hardly any sleep.

i am waiting for the vet to ring cos i need to know how long before the drooling , shouting etc will last, just so worried about him
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 11:21:44 AM
Maybe it takes a while for the ear drops to work.  Wish we could wave a magic wand for you Gill.

Any chance you could put a warm blanket or towel around his head to warm his ears.  Human earache seems to ease with warmth.

 :hug: :hug: :hug:Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: LesleyW on February 12, 2009, 11:29:57 AM
I expect the prodding by the Vet last night may have made it feel a bit worse before the medication starts working.  Hopefully, the pain will start to subside over the next 24 hours and Franta will feel more comfortable.
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Post by: Kirst on February 12, 2009, 11:33:49 AM
Oh poor old Franta - as everyone has said they ABs can take a while to kick in and his lugs will be ever so sore until they do. :( :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 11:52:02 AM
I do hope you are right cos I hate hearing him yowl like this but also last night he was manic and running round in circles, drooling and yowling all at once. It happens about 3 hours after he has laid down and tried to go to sleep. So every 3 hours I was up with him. Was worried that thedrops had made him worse, mind you I dont know if any stayed in........sigh

He has only use the tray once since before we went to the vets so about 1600 and he used it this morning and had an attack and his poor little head was trembling, but he is eating all food in sight after every attack.

I really need to go to Tescoes but am worried about leaving him.
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Post by: Kirst on February 12, 2009, 11:55:17 AM
Oh bless him.  :hug: :hug:

Maybe wait till you spoken to the vets before you go to Tesco?? They may be able to reassure you. I expect the infection is putting up a fight and thats why his earsies are so sore. :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 12:00:27 PM
I agree with Kirsty and I think if I had earache I would be running around too - ony ever had it once and it was horrid.  Franta probably thinks if he runs he can leave his ears behind.

Mary and Bonnie xxx  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on February 12, 2009, 12:11:28 PM
OMG how clever is Franta  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 12, 2009, 12:31:12 PM
Gill, am sorry to learn Franta's in a bit of a state.  Can just imagine how your nerves are feeling now.  Hope you can get hold of the vet to allay your  worries.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 12:37:51 PM
Have just insisted on speaking to a vet cos franta had another bad attck.

Vet doesnt know what to do and thinks maybe he has a brain problem, although initially was talking about xraying his stomach.

He said that the treatment should have kicked in by now and he agrees that Franta is getting worse.

He says could be a small stroke or a brain tumour but hard to diagnose in cats apart from MRI which he says is silly money.

I have insurance with AXA that would cover this ands know that franta would need to be aneathnatized SP? but we need to know what is going on and this maybe the only way but I dont know if he would have to go to Bristol for this.

The other possibility is steroids but will have probs getting them into him and they would likely affect his one remaining kidney.

I have told him to speak tio the vet that was looking after Franta before and someone will come back to me in a couple of hours or so.

I am sooooo worried but if this yowling is pain from something we need to know pain from what,,,,,,,,,,,dont we? This vet is saying he just doesnt know what can be done!

What advice do you all out there have.............this is killing me  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: Dawn F on February 12, 2009, 13:05:27 PM
oh Gill how awful - if axa will cover it I suppose you need the mri, otherwise how can they treat without knowing??
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 13:10:37 PM
Gill, I would want to know and pretty damn quick even if you have to go to the end of the earth.  Especially as you are insured.  I couldn't bare to hear him howling and I know you can't either and that is why you are so worried.

Hope thye phone you back quick.

Give him a big hug from me and Bonnie and one for you too.  :hug: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx

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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 12, 2009, 13:13:09 PM
What a terrible worry.  The only advice I can give is to take the expert advice of Franta's usual vet when you speak.  Poor Franta - I agree you have to get to the bottom of this to treat it.
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Post by: Indys Mamma on February 12, 2009, 13:13:14 PM
I would go for the MRI too with insurance covering it, after all it could still be something fairly simple to sort if they know what and where it is

You and Franta are in my prayers
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on February 12, 2009, 13:17:49 PM
Poor Franta.  I would definitely go with the MRI asap Gill.  Hope they ring you back soon and you can organise it immediately.

 :hug: :hug: to you and Franta x
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 12, 2009, 13:19:33 PM
Gill, this is an awful dilemma for you.  Didn't the vet last night say his ear was quite messed up inside?  If so, I'm just wondering how that would relate to a brain issue, and I think I'd be wanting to speak to your usual vet if possible before taking any "major step" decisions.  It may be the other vet is being ultra cautious where normal vet has more of a feel for franta?  Just thinking aloud here, and you might feel differently knowing the vets as you do.   :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on February 12, 2009, 13:29:43 PM
Sorry Gill I'm just catching up here.

I too would go with the MRI I know for a dog you'd be looking at around £800 but if that is what is going to diagnose it then I'd go for it.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 13:44:50 PM
I do agree with you Sue and feel that Rachel has more knowledge than Will.

Trouble is they have had a major emergency come in between me chasing and waiting for Rachel to ring cos she had just finished consultations and me ringing the third time and they dragged out Will because they were about to start a big operation, presumabbly on this emergency.

Trouble is I feel that Franta is an emergency now too and tomorrow is Friday the 13th and I am soooooo supersticious.

Franta is crouched in the kitchen at present and its freezing in their but can get him to come where its warm.......could be he is moving away from all the places that he thinks are hurting him.

All this is happening after he has been lying down except the time at the litter tray this morning.

This sounds like ear to me but could be a stroke but dont think he will be having a stroke everytime he moves from lying to not.

He is spinning like a dervish with howls and drools since last night when it happens and it could nbe that he hasnt been given the right drops.

I saw the end of the ear thingy and yes it was a mess but I am not sure that its just his ear or that even if it is he is being treated right.

I think that Rachel is probable senior there today as maybe Richards day off.

If its just an ear problem then maybe franta needs pain meds until it starts to improve because he wasnt given any yesterday and then also is the question of convenia because I thought it took longer to act initially than other antibiotics although Will told me today that the meds should have kicked in by now.

Besides Franta only having one kidney he also has an enlearged heart, so anesthetics are dangerous for him, also travelling say to Bristol is at least two hours in either direction depending on traffic and also very stressful, especia;;y if he has an attack in the carrier.

I expect my vet to be more proactive than this and yesterday Will was relieved that Franta had started sticking a paw in his ear.......so was I but I am not a vet, and surely ears should have been part of the intial eaxamination.

Franta has no temperature, no third eyelid appearing and apart from me who knows him seems, apart from the attacks, pretty normal.

But he is not acting normal at all and sitting in the cold is not Frantas thing.

I am hoping that Rachel will ring around 1400 or so but she has gone home for lunch before now!
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 13:53:17 PM
Gill, if he is sitting in the cold maybe it's becasue his head/ear feels like it's on fire inside where you can't feel it.  We don't know anything for certain because he can't talk.

I would be tempted to pjhone another vet and ask them to help as your et has an emergency - surely they will listen and give you some help under the circumstances.

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 14:10:43 PM
I have felt his ears and they were not warm before and still arent.

I would prefer just now to wait for Rachel to ring me cos she was the one that spoke to Brisol about him before and knows him best.

He moved from the nearest mat to the door when I got dyson out and now is further back but its too cold for me out there...mind you that doesnt take much!

I keep going in to see him and he is not lying down, so am watching the time to see if an attack happens cos I think it only happens when he puts his head down but reckon he must be very tired now......I certainly am.
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Post by: sheryl on February 12, 2009, 14:13:14 PM
Sending positive, helaing vibes for Franta - poor little soul  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:

Sending you big hugs Gill it must be so scary and frustraing not knowing what is causing Frantas pain. xxx
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 14:21:50 PM
You must both be exhausted.  :hug: :hug:

Didn't realise it was Rachel who you was waiting for a call from - she should be able to put your mind at rest hopefully.

It might be a good idea to start writing down everything htat is happening.

I've just spoke to Leigh on the phone about his mum, so I'm worried about all 4 of you now.  :hug:
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Post by: 2d on February 12, 2009, 14:35:09 PM
Really hope you get it sorted out, although I agree it may be better to wait and talk to the vet that knows him best, with all the other problems he has.

Will be thinking of you and keeping fingers crossed it's nothing more serios than the ears (which speaking from experience (of me!)) is agnoy enough in itself.

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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 12, 2009, 14:43:13 PM
  :hug:  :hug:  I'm so sorry that Franta is poorly.  Don't really know what I can say to help other that to tell you Korky had a nasty problem with ears last summer but is fine now.  He wasn't howling like Franta is but he couldn't walk a straight line and kept falling over.  Loads of 'gritty' stuff was coming from his ear and he wasn't eating which is a real tell-tale sign of distress for Korky - he loves his food.  His balance was so bad that the vet thought he might have had a stroke and would have given him steroids but with his kidney problems didn't think that was a good idea.  In the end he had and AB injection followed by 10 days oral antibiotics and some tablets to increase blood flow to the brain.  He improved within 48 hours but wasn't really back to normal for a few weeks.  As I say, he is fine now.  I hope Franta feels better soon.
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 12, 2009, 15:01:01 PM
Hi Gill.  So very sorry to hear that Franta is so poorly.  Just wanted you to know I've been googling and would reiterate what Carol has just posted that the circling could be due to balance problem caused by ear infection. I did wonder maybe if vestibular disease might be indicated but can't see any mention of howling/dribbling in symptom list for that.  It could be "just" a very bad ear infection that needs strong ABs and time for them to work. Very concerned for you both  :hug:

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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 15:10:39 PM
Thanks all.

Have just rung the surgery again and Rachel still operating and nobody can speak to her till she comes out cos its a full scrub down.

She will ring me as soon as she comes out they say...............I needed to get something done about this this morning and i hope thatmaybe the case Rosella but how is it diagnosed...........I am a sufferer of course and I wasnt diagnosed!

Its the howling and drooling and now the spinning and if you try and hold him he panics and fights and jumped down.

He had been lying with me and had fallen asleep but with his head up resting on my arm and suddenly the teeth chattering started which produces the drool and then the circling, Once he has calmed down then he is starving and has just eaten 3/4 of a pouch of felix including lumps.

He is still crouched by his food dish, and in the study so at least he is warm.

When he lies against me he feels so hot but his ears are not even warm.

Yes I have a written record since midnight and now using this as a reference too.
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Post by: Millys Mum on February 12, 2009, 15:19:06 PM
Best wishes for you and franta  :hug: i hope you get to speak to rachel soon
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 15:36:50 PM
Well, Leigh's just phoned me and his mum is ok so PLEASE Gill I need you to tell us all that you and Franta are ok now.

Hopefully we can soon joke about him spinninig around bless him.   :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 15:40:41 PM
No we are not OK and still waiting for a phone call   :(
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 15:43:57 PM
Oh no, I know it's easier said than done but try to relax a bit.  Hope she phones soon.

M & B xx :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 15:45:52 PM
She still not out of surgery, was a big dog that was the emergency but my little cat is too  :(
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 12, 2009, 15:46:30 PM
Gill what I can't understand in particular is his appetite being so good if it is balance related. You would think if spinning indicates a balance problem, he would feel nauseous? Are you ready to make another trip to vet this afternoon if it is called for Gill?
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Post by: Stuart on February 12, 2009, 15:49:15 PM
Poor Franta  :( and Poor You  :hug: :hug: :hug:
speaking from personal experiance an ear infection is a thousand times worse than toothache
and can also affect balance, having said that, trying to imagine what Poor Franta's going through  :'(

I would listen to your vet Gill and follow thier advice

C'mon Franta  :shy:  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on February 12, 2009, 15:50:26 PM
Oh Gill I wish there was something I can do for you I've beenr eading your thread all afternoon hoping each time I check back that you have had the call.
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 15:56:30 PM
Can't remember what time youphoned them last time Gill - is it worth ringing them again?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 15:59:11 PM
YES you so right Rosella and of course until this started Franta would hardly eat so its really strange, must make a note of that......done. Also he doesnt seem to want to get any higher than the floor, although he got on the sofa with me before the last attack.

Its really strange and cant find anything on internet with his symptoms......drooling, circling, yowling and bad ear! And cant sleep without bringing it on....or maybe lying down.

Yes have been ready to make vet trip ever since I got up and sitting by the phone all day cos I cant hear it unless I am in a room with it. Needed to make other calls but didnt want to use the phone.

I am seething and stressed of course, they keep making delay excuses cos at 15oo they said she was moreorless finished and half hour later sthey say she not out. Their phone not engaged so as consults started again at 1530, they bhavent been cancelling................if they werent so far away I would just turn up!
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 12, 2009, 16:04:16 PM
Hope you can talk to the vet soon Gill  :hug: When my Cassie had a middle ear infection years ago she howled a lot and she kept stumbling and walking to one side until the antibiotics sorted it out, and if I remember rightly we had to try some different antibiotics as the first ones werent working, can't remember what they were though sorry, long time ago. Doesnt account for the appetitie though, really don't know about that.  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on February 12, 2009, 16:04:57 PM
I don't know what to say hunnie, hopefully you will be able to speak with the vet soon and decide what can be done today is possible  :hug:
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Post by: LeighK on February 12, 2009, 16:05:59 PM
Oh Gill,

I just read this, know how worried you must be, I'm thinking of you and Franta.

All my very best wishes

Leigh
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 16:19:19 PM
Apparently Rachel just come out of surgery and is cleaning up. I have to leave in next 15mins if we are going and the traffic like last night is gonna be bad and I am so tired I didnt want to be driving in the dark.
Also need shopping cos need milkand have been worried about leaving him alone.
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 16:28:56 PM
If you are going Gill take a bottle of water for yourself and a wet face cloth or towel to keep washing your face to keep youawake - we don't want any accidents.  I know it's cold but keep a window open a little bit too.

M & B xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 16:36:44 PM
Its been very cold all day and too cold for me but still havent had a call....I am in despair.

Franta is calm at the moment and under the computer but dont know when another attack may happen and he goes crazy and dont know what would happen if he is in the carrier.

Rachel just rang and we are off to the vets, she says to take it carefully and not rush.

She says the best place for him is in the carrier if he has an attck because if its neuro he will bend himself in half to circle in the carrier.

So will be back later depending on traffic.
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Post by: Millys Mum on February 12, 2009, 16:39:35 PM
Good luck, have a safe journey
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 16:41:07 PM
ditto.  :hug:

M&B xx
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Post by: Dawn F on February 12, 2009, 16:44:16 PM
fingers crossed Gill
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Post by: LeighK on February 12, 2009, 16:45:12 PM
Paws and fingers cross Gill  :hug: :hug:  :Luv2:
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Post by: MrsR on February 12, 2009, 16:54:32 PM
Oh Gill I have just seen your updates  :hug:

Sweetie if it helps you with my Sylvester and his brain tumour he circled to the left constantly, wasn't howling, just constant left tight circles and with Sofa with her brain bleed she lost the use of her back legs - your baby isn't doing either so I hope that helps your fears that its not neuro - I know there is no way of knowing but thought if you knew the worst my cats were in and knowing that your baby isn't doing the same it could help you.    Maybe that infection in his ear is bad and the drops haven't kicked in yet but sweetie I know you must be frantic with worry.   I hope my post has come across to you in the right way and not upset you x
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Post by: clarenmax on February 12, 2009, 16:57:37 PM
Best of luck sweetie, drive safely  :hug:
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Post by: Stuart on February 12, 2009, 17:02:20 PM
Fingers crossed  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Stuart n Misty
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Post by: bonnielass on February 12, 2009, 17:02:42 PM
Hi Gill  just caught up with this topic, im so sorry to hear about Franta and i do hope the vets can sort him out quickly for you both,, sending some healing and calming vibes and hope they help :hug: :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on February 12, 2009, 17:04:25 PM
Sending every bit of positive energy I can muster sweetie x
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Post by: 2d on February 12, 2009, 17:19:58 PM
Just logged on again to find out how it was going.

I can't say how much I hope it's the ear thing causing him problems.

If his balance is off he's probably worried about being up on anything higher than the floor.

To add to what Mrsr says, When Ed was sick, they thought the primary tuimour was in his head somewhere, and he kept stretching his neck and circling too, and it doesn't sound like he's doing that either, so fingers crossed.

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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 12, 2009, 17:29:42 PM
Gill, thinking abut you.  Have a safe journey.  Hope you'll be bringing Franta home with you with some better news.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 12, 2009, 17:38:09 PM
 So sorry to hear this Gill, I can understand how you must be feeling right now, take care :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 12, 2009, 17:41:56 PM
Oh my God I have just seen that Franta seems to have worsened. It sounds like it could be a middle ear infection as that can affect balance and she might be yowling because she is scared and dizzy.  Hopefully the vet can sort it out and she will be back home soon.  Will keep checking back for updates , know you are on your way to the vet but safe journey  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 12, 2009, 17:43:46 PM
That's right MM they can upset balance, the vet checked Schui's ears last night.
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on February 12, 2009, 18:10:44 PM
Hi Gill,

I'm so sorry to hear about Franta .... sending lots of love and get well soon vibes  :hug: xxxxx
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Post by: bunglycat on February 12, 2009, 18:17:32 PM
Sending  :hug: :hug: and calming vibes for you Gill and extra big healing vibes for poor Franta - hope everything goes okay at the vets , and you get back safely too.
Maybe a change of antibiotics might sort it out -perhaps the others weren''t working - hope thats all it is .
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 18:20:37 PM
I know us cats have got our own bit of Purrs to chat on BUT I want to shout it from the roof tops that I want my Franta to come home safe and his mum too.

My mum has just opened the post and I've got a beautiful valentine card from Franta.

I love him so much and I want him to be well.

Lots of love Bonnie xxx
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Post by: pappilon on February 12, 2009, 18:30:55 PM
Oh Gill, i have just seen this, Sending lots of get well vibes and love for Franta and  :hug: :hug: for you.
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Post by: MrsR on February 12, 2009, 18:33:50 PM
Thinking of you both x
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Post by: madkittyrescue on February 12, 2009, 18:53:49 PM
oh gill just got caught up on this thread.  All fingers and paws crossed here for you and little Franta.

Drive safely hun sending all the postive healing vibes we can muster.

xxxx :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 12, 2009, 18:55:46 PM
Humans here with crossed fingers - kitties with crossed paws and all sending healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: 

Get well, soon, Franta  :Luv2:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 12, 2009, 19:02:51 PM
Thnking of you and Franta Gill  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 12, 2009, 19:23:23 PM
Oh No Ive just seen this - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get better Franta -  :hug: :hug: :hug:


Beavis needs his little Birman buddy to be OK. :'(
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Post by: Mark on February 12, 2009, 19:56:01 PM
Just caught up with this - It sounds like and is hopefully "just" an ear infection that can be cleared up  :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 12, 2009, 20:02:14 PM
Hope all went well :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 12, 2009, 20:04:03 PM
Please let us know you got back safely xx :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 20:06:44 PM
Thank you all so much for your good wishes, I appreciate them all so much and so does Franta  :hug:

We are back but its inconclusive I am afraid.

Going by the pattern of his attacks since last night they were about every 3 hours and he was due one at the vets and also he had been sleeping in his carrier, poor little boy walked into his carrier at home.

Rachel gave him loads and loads of tests starting with letting him walk around and she thought he could not turn left and was possibly blind but both of these proved to be wrong although he does seem to prefer going right.

Also he seemed to be deaf but thats not right either!

She is not sure whats going on but she says he definately is not quite right.

She has two suspicions, one is that is glucose level is too low and this is when he has an attack....this could be a tumour or other long names which I cant remember. The other one is that he has a neuro problem. His glucose level was fine when we were there but he ate Misdas food before we left.

He has just eaten again but its night that will be the problem and of course we need to know, so he will be staying in the bedroom tonight.

He also was dying to use the tray and lost 100grams in liquid and solid while we were there. She said he was full to busting.

Rachel has just rung me to see how is......so kind  ;D

She has checked his eyes and retinas are full attached and eyes reacting to light.

The plan is that if he has another attack tonight then I will be leaving very early to take him back to the vets for observation until they close tomorrow night and she will get in touch with Bristol University Hospital to warn them they may have a cat needing an emergency MRI scan at the weekend. If he goes for observation and he has an attack she is going to put him out , take bloods, check his eyes properly and do various other things that she cant do while he is awake. She will also test his glucose levels at that time before he eats.

She has told me to leave his ears alone, no more drops for the moment and she is hoping that the convenia will kick in for his ears.............he wouldnt let her look at the 'good' one which , may mean that thats not as good as it should be either. I did manage to get some drops in cos she can see them in his right ear!

So we are wishing and hoping for him to improve over night and have a good one but all the plates are still in the air sadly.

She has so much more knowledge than Will and he didnt acknowledge me while in the waiting room so I have the feeling he is a bit put out but I am afraid Franta has to come first.

I am hoping for a good night for Franta and she has said to fed him before bed.......I think I did last night but if its glucose levels it seems to run out within 4 hours.

I will post this question on a topic of its own  but does any one know where in Bristol the University Animal hospital is?

Thanking you all again for all your good wishes  ;D
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 20:12:55 PM
Sod him Gill, like you sat Franta comes first - I would kill for my Bonnie.

Rachel has been so thorough - glad you've got her.

Hope you both have a good night's rest and if you feel like phoning them do so.  Don't hesitate.

M & B xxx  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 20:20:53 PM
was talking to Leigh tonight and we mentioned Franta and we were hoping something would be on soon.  When I saw your reply I text him and his computer has just crashed so he's asked me to send on his very best wishes for you and Franta.  :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 20:27:27 PM
please give leigh my thanks and you too of course  ;D
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Post by: MrsR on February 12, 2009, 20:29:37 PM
Gill here is the link to the hospital in Langford http://www.vetschool.bris.ac.uk/langford/cas/smallanihosp.html give them a call to see exactly where they are tomorrow so you'll be prepared.

Thinking of you both and sending all the positive vibes I can x
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 20:34:06 PM
thank you mrs r for the link cos i will have to discuss with rachel how the claim gets to the insrance company...........lets hope its not necessary to go.
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Post by: MrsR on February 12, 2009, 20:38:56 PM
I hope its not necessary to go also sweetie, just looked for Franta on my Purrs calender and found him - showed hubby :)
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Post by: Kirst on February 12, 2009, 20:45:36 PM
Glad you both got home safely - I am sending all my prayers an good vibes that Franta has a good night and is loads better tomorrow. :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 12, 2009, 20:59:31 PM
Good vibes for a peaceful night come on frant x
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 12, 2009, 21:06:33 PM
http://www.vetschool.bris.ac.uk/langford/cas/smallanihosp.html

Wonder if this is it Gill.

Do hope Franta has a good night, will be thinking about you both because I know you wont be able to sleep :hug:

Just noticed Mrs R put in same link
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 12, 2009, 21:29:32 PM
We picked up an elderly very ill female cat in a local residential car park in the snow in late 1991. We had her 9 months. She was deaf, virtually blind and I'm afraid finally died from cancer but I swear she was happy with us. Anyway just wanted to mention her Gill cause we brought her to Bristol University (seems before they opened the hospital referred to in Alison's link) and the people there could not have been kinder.

My business partner also had dealings with Bristol and her beautiful grey boy Noodles about 7 years ago and again she was very impressed with how caring they were. Just wanted you to know that.  I very much hope Franta starts to improve considerably overnight so that a visit to Bristol isn't necessary.
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 12, 2009, 21:34:28 PM
Fingers crossed that he picks up soon and doesn't need to have any further tests, so frustrating when they dont know what is up -  when Tiger had to see a specialist, I had to take a claim form there when I picked her up, and they dealt with it, same with teh emergency vet. The good thing about the specialist was that they dealt directly with the insurance, all I had to do was pay my excess and sign an authorisation form.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 21:34:54 PM
Thank you Alison and Rosella.  :hug:

I know that Bristol is a very good vet training school and an old school friend daughter did her training there. As far as I know its got a very good reputation and that helps a lot Rosella to know that they care.

Right up the apples and pears to see what he is up to..........we both need a good rest
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Post by: maryas on February 12, 2009, 21:38:08 PM
nite nite and God bless to both of you Gill

M & B xx :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 12, 2009, 21:38:55 PM
Gnite Mary and Bonnie, sleep well  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on February 12, 2009, 21:53:00 PM
Just want to send healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: to you and Franta .
Hope he improves and doesn''t have to go to Bristol .
Take care and try and rest .
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Post by: bonnielass on February 12, 2009, 21:57:29 PM
Sending lots of healing and calming vibes for you both to have a peaceful night and hope Franta is  a lot better in the morning :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 12, 2009, 23:47:55 PM
Sorry it wasnt more conclusive Gill and is just a case of wait and see again  :hug: Hope you and he have a quiet night.  :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on February 13, 2009, 07:19:02 AM
How are you both this morning?
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Post by: Leanne on February 13, 2009, 07:43:19 AM
How are things this morning?

I've had dealings with Bristol though work and they are always lovely and incredably helpful so I'm sure you'd both be in good hands should you need to go.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 13, 2009, 08:06:25 AM
Gill, just catching up with Franta's progress.  How's he been overnight?  I'm with the others - sod Will's feelings - at the end of the day Franta's your beautiful and irreplaceable boy, and no vet should be miffed if a patient's owner wants another opinion.
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Post by: Kirst on February 13, 2009, 08:15:39 AM
Hoping you and Franta had a good night and he's feeling a bit better today! :hug:
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Post by: LeighK on February 13, 2009, 08:54:42 AM
Hi Gill,

Sorry I couldn't post again last night my PC packed up, posting from work this morning, hope Franta had a good night.

Alfie and Frankie also keeping their paws crossed and sending positive vibes Franta's way.

 :hug: :hug:

Leigh
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Post by: clarenmax on February 13, 2009, 10:03:35 AM
Hi Gilly, how's our boy doing today?

 :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on February 13, 2009, 10:21:28 AM
Gill, what a terrible worry for you, I hope you get answers soon so that a plan can be worked out
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Post by: pappilon on February 13, 2009, 10:38:12 AM
Hope you had a good night rest, and Franta is feeling a bit better today. :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 13, 2009, 10:43:24 AM
Bristol sounds a good idea really, if you can get there with Franta and they can see you fast. Then you will know what's wrong for sure. It's very hard when you don't know and have to guess at treatment, so I'd say go for it and if that other vet is sniffy, well so be it. It sounds like you have the full support of the woman vet anyhow.

I so hope that it is just a temporary vestibular thing and will go away soon. Am thinking of you Gill, all the very very best  :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 13, 2009, 10:46:58 AM
I hope you're both in bed or at Tesco Gill.  :hug: :hug:

M & B xx
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Post by: Stuart on February 13, 2009, 11:04:55 AM
sending positive vibes your way
and Hope yourself and Franta had a good night
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 13, 2009, 11:14:48 AM
I hope you and Franta have had a good night.  Sending lots of positive healing vibes  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on February 13, 2009, 11:21:47 AM
Thinking of you and Franta Gill - I hope you both had a restful night  :hug:

Love, huggles and positive vibes for you both xxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 11:29:44 AM
I am hoping no news is good news  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 13:22:09 PM
Thank you for your kind thoughts today  ;D

Franta is back at the vets after having attacks at midnight, 0100 and 0200 and then again at 0830 whilst was writing up my notes and thinking he is so peaceful, do I want to upset him!

He is so unlike the Franta I know now and just walks into the carrier and lies there quietly all the hours journey.

Rachel has been treating him since his other probs in October and knows what he is usually like.......trashes his cage and shouts to be let out and for attention.

She is pretty certain now its a neuro problem and he will need an MRI scan but he is staying at the vets today for observation and possible xrays, bloods and other tests, depending on how he is. I suspect that if he doesnt have an attck while there they will not do anything but I would like her to see what happens, cos its so heartbreaking to watch and hear.

She thinks the MRI scan is gonma be about £2500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is going to speak to Bristol to find out the cost and also how the insurance claim is made but somehow I have to come up with all the cost.

Without an MRI scan it cant be determined what is wrong with him and how he can be treated and she said he cant be left how he is now.

Ducha runs away when Franta has one of his attacks cos he is scared, Rachel said it sounds like he is almost having a fit. Misa is also upset.

I am feeling so emotional now its hard to do anything and feel he is slipping away from me  :'( :'(
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Post by: MrsR on February 13, 2009, 13:25:33 PM
Oh Gill  :hug: if I had any spare money at all I'd give it to you.

I really feel for you more than I can explain. :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 13, 2009, 13:28:33 PM
Oh Gill, sweetheart.  Don't give up hope just yet.   :hug: :hug:  Just take it an hour at a time, and wait and see what happens while he's with Rachel.   If she witnesses it first hand, something may just click into place, and give her a better idea of what's going on.   Have you made any approach to the Insurers just yet?  If not, might be worth having another look at the policy re the scan.   :hug:  I know you said that Rachel is going to do so as well, so maybe you feel it would be better to leave it up to her, just I know you'll be feeling like you need to do something.    :hug:

Keeping everything crossed that Rachel will be able to see this happening and to get an understanding of what's happening with Franta.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on February 13, 2009, 13:30:53 PM
I'm sure they must have this all the time and will wait for the insurance money? - I'm sure they will sort it all out  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 13:35:29 PM
Yes I rang the insurers when I got home and they said they need claim forms from Bristol and from vets  and I think I only have one now. I told them that Bristols website is saying they will not do invoices for the vet or the insurance company but AXA said just get everything I can and send it in.

I am so upset right now I couldnt even get out the words to ask for a claim form but the lady was very nice and patient.

We are gonna be eating up that £7000 insurance big time and just a message to anyone out there who does not have insurance or hasnt got one that will pay out a large amount.....think again and get insured with decent cover...pleaseeeeeeeeeeee cos its the life of your cat.

If I couldnt have the MRI I suspect Rachel would be advising to PTS
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Post by: MrsR on February 13, 2009, 13:37:13 PM
Oh Gill  :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on February 13, 2009, 13:38:30 PM
Gill that is heartbreaking  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 13, 2009, 13:38:40 PM
Gill, have just been trying to find some further info for you.  There's a Consultancy in Newmarket (I know - it's a way aways from you, but just trying to get comparisons for you) who carry out MRI scanning from £500 including anaesthesia and "consumables" so maybe it might be less than initially anticipated.  Will see if I can find any others, just to get a betetr idea.
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Post by: Leanne on February 13, 2009, 13:40:42 PM
Oh Gill, I have to say from working with vets bills (all be it for dogs) daily I've never seen an MRI bill for that amount before, are they giving you a worse case scenario on the costs??

 :hug: :hug: :hug: to you and franta
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 13:44:31 PM
I do hope you are right cos Bristol is also a teaching hospital so its of benefit to them too.

I told the vet I thought that was very very high compared to what I have heard on here but she is going to speak to them.......I dont know if this cost maybe reflects if he has to go as an emergency tomorrow.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 13, 2009, 13:44:50 PM
Gill - £500 to £700 for a practice in Lievrpool, and I found this on Petplanet - they're Caerphilly.  Chin up, petal.   :hug:


See www.petplanet.co.uk


News Article #1546  
 MRI scans help diagnose pet problems in south Wales [19/01/2009]  
 Pet owners in south Wales are using a technique more commonly found in hospitals to diagnose their animals' conditions.

A mobile MRI scanner visits Bridge Veterinary Group in Pontllanfraith, Caerphilly each month courtesy of Burgess Diagnostics and helps people get to the root of their canine and feline companions' health issues.

Speaking to the BBC, Bridge Veterinary Group partner Graham Blow said the £1,000 scans can have a significant impact on diagnosing problems.

"We had a dog in there with severe neck pain and we had done tests but what was diagnosed probably wouldn't have been possible without MRI," he added.

Before the MRI started making its monthly visits, pet owners had to take their animals to England for a scan.

Last week, it was reported by Sainsbury's Finance that dental care for cats and dogs costs £28.5 million per year.

Research from the firm highlighted that 74 per cent of cats and dogs are not insured for non-routine dental treatment, meaning they owner would have to pay-out in an emergency.


© Adfero Ltd

  
 
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Post by: tigerbaby on February 13, 2009, 13:45:07 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:

Oh Gill my heart goes out to you. What a situation. I really hope Franta will get back to his normal self and that somehow this is not as serious as it sounds. Those fits he is getting must freak you out so much, not knowing what's wrong. Thank godness for your insurance though. I haven't insured Capone yet but know I have to, I haven't been able to afford his injections or de-fleaing because I have been unemployed since the 13th of January and have no money. I can't start a direct debit with nothing in my account.
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Post by: Leanne on February 13, 2009, 13:46:52 PM
I do hope you are right cos Bristol is also a teaching hospital so its of benefit to them too.

I told the vet I thought that was very very high compared to what I have heard on here but she is going to speak to them.......I dont know if this cost maybe reflects if he has to go as an emergency tomorrow.

I wonder if its because it might happen on a saturday they will charge more.

Bristol are very good I've had dealings with this this week though work. If I was at work now I'd riffle though some invoices for you now to get some more costs for you but i'm off sick.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 14:02:34 PM
Thanks Sue  :hug:

Obviously Caerfilly would not be any good cos he is an emergency but the Liverpool cost is slightly lower than I expected.

I think its gotta be weighed out against the length of the journey for him, the facilities and knowledge at the other end and the quality of care he will get.

Also Bristol have an enormous good reputation and its relatively easy for me to get there..............however there is an issue of a certain match at Cardiff tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also it depends on who my vets are willing to refer Franta too and prob is we have so little time to get all this sorted.........I could murder Will because we have lost a day and I did tell him what Franta was doing and how he was circling.....he obviously didnt listen and did not have a bloomin clue.

If I remember and its doubtful, I may mention tonight to Rachel about Will....I felt it was not up to me to do this but guess as I get more upset I am also getting more angry!
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Post by: Mark on February 13, 2009, 14:06:50 PM
I would go with Bristol as they are the experts and probably have a lot more facilities than any vet. Also the latest equipment and info to hand I would have thought?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 14:32:10 PM
Why don't you ring Bristol yourself and find out exactly how much it is likely to cost should Franta have to go there?  I hope it doesn't come to that and, as someone said in an earlier post, something clicks into place with the vet.  But if he has to go then best to find out the details before you need to?  Might put your mind at rest a little as I am sure they must be used to cats needing scans and owners not having that amount of money readily available.  Best of luck we are all rooting for you and Franta and sending positive vibes and lots of love  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 14:34:51 PM
Yes I hadnt thought of that but as the vet is speaking to them about this she probably has better contacts than me......will keep it in mind  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 14:40:36 PM
Will she discuss the cost though?  There is nothing to stop you just ringing up and asking and also asking if they are likely to deal directly with the insurance company bar the excess.  It might put your mind at rest but if your vet is going to ask those questions then you will have to wait until she gets back to you.  I hope you are not feeling too stressed (stupid thing to say I know) but I so hope that this isn't anything sinister like you are fearing.  I really feel for you Gill and thank you for posting on Charlie's thread even though you are so anxious about Franta  :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 13, 2009, 14:43:12 PM
.......I could murder Will because we have lost a day and I did tell him what Franta was doing and how he was circling.....he obviously didnt listen and did not have a bloomin clue.  If I remember and its doubtful, I may mention tonight to Rachel about Will....I felt it was not up to me to do this but guess as I get more upset I am also getting more angry!  

Word to the wise Gill. Whilst, in your situation, I would also be tempted to speak my mind about Will being the cause of undue delay, it may not be the right time to discuss this with Rachael tonight unless it will help current situation.  Time enough later on when things are hopefully clearer perhaps?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 14:48:07 PM
You are very wise Rosella and right.

I had told him on the phone yesterday that it maybe a good idea to speak to Rachel cos she had been looking after Franta, maybe he did and got some advice as he ignored me yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 15:49:33 PM
I agree with Rosella but if I were you I would write it down now before you lose sight of any of the details and then discuss it when Franta is sorted out.  take care  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 15:55:06 PM
Rachel just rang and cant get through to Bristol cos all lines are engaged but they are continuing to try.

She has taken frantas blood and there is now an issue with anaemia and she doesnt understand why his blood is so watery. He also is maybe heading towards CRF and there is q uestion whether he will be fit enough for an MRI. He has three attacks so far at the vets and only 20 mins apart.

She wants to speak to a cat clinician at Bristol before any decisoion is made about MRI, She says that she thinks he goes blind during and just after an attack and between attacks he is very confused and not Franta at all..................this is looking so bad now I feel  :'( :'(
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Post by: maryas on February 13, 2009, 15:57:49 PM
I was just about to say the same - you need to concentrate on Franta 100% now and sort Will out later.

Prayers, hugs, kisses, cuddles and the lot are being sent to you and Franta.

Oh and Bonnie asked me to post a valentine card to Franta that she made herself on the computer last night.  So that should be delivered to him tomorrow.

Mary

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Post by: maryas on February 13, 2009, 16:00:17 PM
Oh Gill, you bet me to my reply.

It sounds so scary but try and keep calm - at lease you know Rachel will be trying her best for him.

Mary  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on February 13, 2009, 16:11:46 PM
I can only send you some of these  :hug: :hug: :hug:, try to keep calm hunnie, although I know  of course you're worried  :hug:
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Post by: LeighK on February 13, 2009, 16:22:30 PM
Gill, I don't know what to say other than you and Franta are in my thoughts and I'm sending all the positive vibes I can in your direction hun  :hug: :hug:  :Luv2:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 13, 2009, 16:32:02 PM
I'm so sorry Franta is no better. Sending masses of positive vibes   :hug:  :hug:  Bristol has a very good reputation so I would stick with them but as others have said, £2,500 seems way too much for just an MRI scan - there must be other things included in that price.  I paid to have one done privately (for me not Korky) when I was having ear problems a few years ago and it was only a fifth of that.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 13, 2009, 16:36:14 PM
I live near Carmarthen, and had to hire a taxi to take a very sick kitten to Bristol very late at night - he turned out to have FIP but I never regretted it, as I knew I had taken him to one of the very best places in the UK
and the costs for all the tests, a blood transfusion and 4 days care were £600, and even though that was 7 years ago, I did not think that excessive

everything crossed for Frantsa meanwhile :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 13, 2009, 16:52:11 PM
Gill, am holding you and Franta in my thoughts. 
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 17:01:53 PM
We are all here for you and Franta  :hug:
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Post by: Stuart on February 13, 2009, 17:14:41 PM
Oh Gill, what a nightmare  :'(
wish I could do / say something to make it better  :(
Sending tons of positive vibes You and Franta's way
 :hug: :hug: :hug:

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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 17:51:30 PM
Still waiting for the vet to ring........sigh

I know she said I wouldnt be left out in the street but I have min an hour there and back and didnt want to be doing the journey in the dark and possible rain or fog again!!!!!

Apparently she still hasnt got through to Bristol and was supposedly ringing me in 10 mins which has passed now.

I am hungry and tired and upset and cant leave the phone cos cant hear it once out of the room
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 17:57:58 PM
Off to the vets now.

She has spoken to Bristol and wants to discuss the options...........but not over the phone  :'(
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Post by: Mark on February 13, 2009, 17:59:45 PM
Good luck Gill and Franta  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 13, 2009, 18:03:44 PM
Only just logged on - and so sorry to see that the situation with Franta has worsened  :hug: You probably are already on your way, but Gill, could the aneamia be causing the fits etc? I guess Rachel would have considered that, but just a thought. The other thing I thought of was blood pressure as if its high that can cause the howling that he's been doing - but I expect Rache's thought of that too and taken his blood pressure anyway? Take care and safe journey :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 13, 2009, 18:12:47 PM
Only just caught up with this Gill, tons of hugs from me for you and Franta  :hug: please try and stay calm we're all here for you :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 13, 2009, 18:15:11 PM
Yes, we're here - thinking of you both  :hug:
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 13, 2009, 18:17:16 PM


 :'( I wish I could offer something more practical than a  :hug:  :'(  Thinking of you and Franta - and sending all the positive, healing vibes that I, Mr T, Chloe and my OH can summon X
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Post by: pappilon on February 13, 2009, 18:17:36 PM
Thinking of you and Franta. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 13, 2009, 18:19:03 PM
It's all so confusing  :(. Tom had anaemia but I'm sure we decided that caused him to be nauseous and put him off his food whereas Franta's appetite has increased.

I send all possible good vibes altho know you will have left already. Everything is crossed for that little man. Drive safely Gill.  Keep your mind on the road. You have the other 3 to look after too. All of these comments are being sent telepathically...... hope your own good sense is telling you these things too  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 18:21:36 PM
Why do vets do this.  Gill has to drive miles worrying about what the vet is going to say, why couldn't she have given her an idea over the phone and then discussed it further on the visit. 
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Post by: bunglycat on February 13, 2009, 18:21:52 PM
Don''t know what else to add to everything else thats been said  :(
Really hope that Franta pulls through all this.
We are sending all the healing vibes we can from here in Lincoln for him.
Take care and  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you Gill
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 13, 2009, 18:40:10 PM
Why do vets do this.  Gill has to drive miles worrying about what the vet is going to say, why couldn't she have given her an idea over the phone and then discussed it further on the visit. 

At least Rachael mentioned discussing options i.e. more than one? There may not have been enough time to have a thorough discussion on the phone as Gill is an hours drive away?  I have such a bad headache and feel so sick. Anyone else? 
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 13, 2009, 18:50:17 PM
Oh god, I missed this last night.  So sorry, Gill  :hug:  I hope the vet has various options that will help Franta.  It does sound as though the MRI scan is likely to be needed at this stage.  I am sending lots of healing vibes for Franta and calming vibes for you  :hug:

Incidentally, I've always thought that MRI scans cost about £2000.  If you do go down that route, definitely discuss payment with them - when it comes to those sort of amounts there must be lots of people with insurance who can't pay up front.  Surely they will deal direct with the insurance company?  For some of it, at least.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 13, 2009, 18:57:46 PM
I just lit my night time candle for my boy and his e-friends on here who are so poorly and Franta is in our thoughts and prayers tonight, as are you Gill on the roads in the dark and cold  :hug:

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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 13, 2009, 19:00:49 PM
Safe journey Gill.

(Rosella - yes, since you come to mention it - have had a nagging headache since lunchtime0
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Post by: Kirst on February 13, 2009, 19:20:00 PM
Thi is heartbeaking - :'( sending all my prayers and healing vibes to Franta and to Gill. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on February 13, 2009, 19:21:15 PM
Drive carefully Gill hun, and fingers and toes crossed that there are some positive options for Franta  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on February 13, 2009, 19:25:08 PM
Really hope you have some positive news at the vets  :hug:

Re the MRI scan, I'm sure I read somewhere about getting the claim 'pre-approved' by the insurer.  The vets may not allow a claim direct to the insurer as if the insurance co reject it they're stuffed as you could just refuse to pay.  If the insurance company are asked to pre-approve the claim then you may not have to pay up front.  I'd get onto them tonight if they're still open when you get back  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on February 13, 2009, 19:26:39 PM
Why do vets do this.  Gill has to drive miles worrying about what the vet is going to say, why couldn't she have given her an idea over the phone and then discussed it further on the visit. 

I had exactly the same thing when Clapton had his last dental. The receptionist phoned me on my Mobile and I was in Canterbury. She said Clapton was ready to collect but the vet wanted to speak to me. I had a nervous 7 mile journey wondering what he was going to say. When I got there, he just informed me that he had taken all 4 teeth out as requested and that Clapton did really well  :tired: - Naturally I was pleased but could have done without the worry and being distracted whilst driving.
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Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on February 13, 2009, 19:52:24 PM
So sorry you're going through this, Gill. Best wishes  :hug:
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Post by: Sylvia on February 13, 2009, 19:57:42 PM
Have only just caught up with this  :shocked:

Sending lots & lots of healing vibes to Franta and these  :hug: :hug: :hug: to both of you.

I hope that the vet can suggest something positive.  Thinking of both of you.
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 13, 2009, 20:41:02 PM
Thinking about you and Franta :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on February 13, 2009, 21:17:38 PM
I hope the vets can come up with something positive for Franta, and put your mind at rest,drive safely and sending lots of positive and healing vibes for you both :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Yvonne on February 13, 2009, 21:21:30 PM
Positive vibes coming this way too  -   :luck:
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Post by: Zenith (Liz) on February 13, 2009, 21:38:27 PM
Thinking of you both  :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on February 13, 2009, 21:39:02 PM
Still sending positive vibes  and thinking of you xxx  :hug:  :hug:

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Post by: Janeyk on February 13, 2009, 21:46:13 PM
Gill is a long time hope everything is ok  :scared:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 13, 2009, 21:57:01 PM
Gill is a long time hope everything is ok  :scared:

Was just thinking exactly the same thing.  Sending lots of positive vibes for Gill and Franta  :hug:
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Post by: Liz on February 13, 2009, 22:05:18 PM
Positive thoughts here for Franta and Gill
 :hug:
Hope no news is good news
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 13, 2009, 22:06:28 PM
Topup time  :hug: :hug: :hug: Im getting worried  :(
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 13, 2009, 22:09:45 PM
Wonder if Gill has brought Franta to Bristol and that is cause of delay in her getting home?
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Post by: maryas on February 13, 2009, 22:18:03 PM
I was thinkingthe same as it's been 4 hours.  Cos even if she is upset she woud have put a short note on for us all.

Praying for some good news soon.

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2009, 22:50:59 PM
have just been reading all your posts you wonderful people  :thanks:

its a very long story and I have to eat. Frnata should be home with me but had to go back and leave him at an emergency vet cos he ad a massive attack in the car after having a small one only 15 mins earlier. Had a blazing row on the phone with the other ver cos she said not their policy to take other vets cats and I should go to Vets Now.

Am afraid I threatened her over the phone and told her if my cat died on the way home I would know where to come and she let me take him there.

Franta was Ok before we left and wandered round the surgery and he has a catheter in his leg incase he needs emergency treatment and has to go back tomorrow. He has had adifferent antobiotic, one that gets to the brain area///////dont know if that caused the problem in thecar.

He will not be having an MRI..........would you believe Bristol dont have a machine only a mobile one that comes every thursady, so Franta would have to go to East Anglia somewhere near Witty I think.

I am rather too tired right now to write any more but when I have eaten I will put the storty on.

I dont know how long I will have Franta but the vet thinks that this is the best course of treatmnet for him, which I will explain later.

Sorry to have worried you all so much but its been a terrible day and even worse night. All I know right now that Franta is safe under a good vet care and nursing staff who will watch him all night....I woas so looking forward to him coming home though.
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Post by: Stuart on February 13, 2009, 22:57:24 PM
Thinking of you Both  :hug: :hug: :hug:

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Post by: 2d on February 13, 2009, 23:00:01 PM
I'm so sorry that the news isn't better.

have been thinking of you, and will continue to do so.
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Post by: bonnielass on February 13, 2009, 23:02:57 PM
What a terrible day you have been having :hug: and to top it all a wasted journey,im so sorry to hear about Franta,s attack, and do hope he has a good night,try not to worry to much Franta is in good hands and in the best place should he have another attack, what you need now is to try and get some sleep  :hug:and we worry about both you and Franta because we care :hug: :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 13, 2009, 23:13:06 PM
Glad you are back safely but very sorry you had to leave Franta :hug:

Also sorry you had to get annoyed to make vet take notice :hug:

Thinking of you all
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Post by: pappilon on February 13, 2009, 23:16:40 PM
Oh Gill, i am so sorry you had to leave Franta, but he is in good hands , please try and get some rest tonight. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 13, 2009, 23:18:31 PM
The East Anglia place will be Newmarket, Gill - they are the foremost veterinary specialists in the UK - but such a long way away for a poorly puss to go

where there is life there is hope - and Franta is putting up a good fight - hope you can get some sleep
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Post by: Reynard on February 13, 2009, 23:22:25 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: Gilly.

Fingers and paws crossed chez Casa Witty for Mr Frantaman.

And you take care of yourself too, Gilly.  :hug:

Newmarket isn't a million miles away from here; about half an hour-ish driving time. Who would have thought Bristol didn't have their own machine.
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Post by: Kirst on February 13, 2009, 23:57:02 PM
Im so sorry you had to leave Franta , but I am very glad you are home safely Gill.

Am praying hard for both of you -  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Jasmine on February 14, 2009, 00:05:22 AM
Sorry to hear Franta is so poorly Gill, what a terrible time you are going through. :(
Thinking of you and hoping for a miracle.
 :care:

 X
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 00:23:37 AM
I have now had a bite to eat and some orqnge juice and need to wind down before I make that trip again tomorrow.I will start the long story from the beginning.

Rachel spoke to Bristol and they have no MRI machine like I said. She also discussed Franta with them and suspect the treatment is advised by them. The idea is to try him on a different antibiotic , one that gets into the brain but on 24 hour injections incase they are wrong for him, if they help then he will move onto longer term injections.

Depending onhow thes ABs work he may be put on steroids on the same basis because it will all be trial and error, She wrote everything down for me but its at the emergency vet at present.

He had 3 attacks at the vets but 20 mins apart and suspect most or even all were not full attacks like he had in the car. However she has seen them and suspect also Richard who is the head Honcho.

They took blood from him and took blood pressure and also examined both ears and also his retinas. Richard has seen a patch on one retina that hadnt been noticed, cant remember its name, its on that paper! This is psoosibly cause by an episode of high BP, maybe during one of the attacks and they were goning to put him onto high bp meds but that was very dangerous cos of his kidney and then they found that his bp was still normal like it had been before.

Franta apparently is very hard to treat and his claws and teeth have been felt and nothing hardly can be done while he is awake. He has been on a drip and still has the catheter in so emergency meds can be given if needed.

After tonight in the car, Rachel is so right about the journey to get to an MRI and she says that MRIs are only worth doing if you have excellent people who know how to read the MRi and she is not sure that on the cheaper MRIs the quality is there, She knows it would be in East Anglia but the travel and the stress and everything that goes with this she thinks would be too much for Franta in his current medical state.

She says that in a way they would love him to have an MRI cos none of them have seen anything like what is happening to him before and therefore he is a very interesting case but that is no justification. However of course it was ultimately my decision.

The alternative is to treat him as having a mass in his brain, which is the abs and steroids but all the time they need to constantly monitor his Bp, retinas, kidneys etc etc they have to be very careful about how they treat him.

I have no doubt now, I would not want to drive him for about 5 hours for an MRI cos tonight we havent managed one hour.

In tha car everything was going well I thoought except he doesnt like the bandage on his leg protecting the catherter and intitiall I thought thats what he was banging but no it was a start of an attck, which was very short and calm and not much drool. I managed to park imeediately and after he ate a whole pouch of Fekix,,,,,,,I gave him half and he meowed cos he wanted more, It took 10 mins for him to eat it and then 5 mins further up the road he had a full blown attack.

It was the most terrifying thing cos he got caught up in his blankets, could turn round cos not enough room , totally freaked and ended up lying on his side making a horrendous scary noise. He was hadly able to move and had his tongue hanging out and was panting very quickly and I was so scared he was dying, I again had been lucky cos I managed to pull straight in at a garage and park before all this started.

In the end I took the top off the carrier and took the blankets out which were soaked.....now know he had urinated as he did at 0100 this morning...............and I was just stroking him cos didnt know what to do except he needed to be at a vets and my vet was closed. I had a nearly run down mobile cos it had only part charged before I left but was lucky in that I had this other vets card in my purse but instead of just connecting you to the vet, they gave you another number and couldnt find paper of pencil and cant remember numbers so that too two goes.

Then got throught to anurse told story and she put me onto the vet who then wanted my number and I didnt know it but was on my mobile bit I could nt access it while on phone,,,,,,,so another two attempts and mobile nearly dead.

We then had a blazing row and I threatened her as said bekow and they agreed to take him over night.

My problem was that I was much closer to them than home (Vets Now were even further aaway and not knowing the area would have got lost too) and I was worried Franta may have another attck in thecar cos there is no ryhme or reason to when they occur. Of course he was g fine and then had to drive one handed after carrier nearlt fell of the seat cos had not strapped it in in my panic.......so was having to hold onto it at every corner etc.

They were waiting for me when I arrived and the vet and I have apologized to each other and she said to calll a truce but it will have to be sorted out tomorrow and suspect they will ring the Gower and I have got someone in trouble and I will not be allowed to use the other vet again, leaving me with Vets Now which is a long way away and rubbish and also very much more costly.

The stupid reasoning is that they will not treat an animal that iss registered somewhere else unless it is transferred totally to them, so one cannot get treatment from the nearest vet when its dying because of stupid professional rules. I was very lucky cos I had written out by Rachel  in quite detail Frantas treatment and info about his situation, which is more info than any emergency Vet would have normally although they were saying that cos they didnt have frantas records they couldnt treat him........and what record do vets now have!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said I omnly wanted someomne too look after him overnight as I wasnt sure I could get him home.

We did have another little barney too because I tiold her that he needed food after one of these attacks and he needed it desperately...no she said we would not give food to an animal like this cos they maybe sick.

It took me a while to get her to listen that Rachel and I had duiscussed this tonight and she said absolutely to carry on doing this and they had done it today, It was the latter info which changed the vets mind. I had tried to tell her that for 3 days this had been happening and he was never sick.

Although franta could stay over night at my vets nobody stays with them and obviously in Frantas case this is no good, so Rachel had said do I want him to stay overnight with vets now,,,,,,,then I would have had to leave home at 0630 to go and collect him cos they close at 0800!! I told her no and she knew they were registered with this orther vets ands yesterday even had guessed right as to which one it was!

Tomorrow I have to collect Franta by 1000 and the original emergency vet I saw there with Sasa over a year ago is on duty, and then I have to take him to the Gower so Rachel can check him out and again on Sunday and probably every day next week. To doi this rachel is gonna have to tell me what to do if he has an attack in the car because I am sure that what happened tonight may have done him soome damage.

I am soooo tired but know I am not gonna be able to sleep and also I am neglecting the other cats..............I just dont know what to do. When Franta was in the surgery he was allowed to wander around an explore, Rachel thinks he is better than he was this morning but agrees he is still not Franta cos he would have been rushing around and jumping up on things and he is moveing very sedately although he has all his faculties an brain still working very well.

I think they key to all of this is stopping the attacks happening and nobody knows how to to do this, especially without an MRI scan, so its all hit and miss and I find this so terrifying.

I asked her whether he was in pain duringt the attck and she said possibly and she could not put hand on heart and say definately not.

She said that she thought that as the attacks were of short duration right now it was not an issue, the issue is to try and stop them because for his age he is in very good conditiion despite the other issues like kidneys which at the meoment are not a major issue.

I asked about the anaemia and she said that she would like to get him on a special drip for that but it could wait for now.

The last horrendous issue is the vet who shall not be named again............Rachel said she had examined bothe ears very carefully while Franta was out but then didnt tell me what she found.......well she didnt find anything he has no ear infection in either ear although he does have some irritaion which is unesplained. So the drops and convenia he was given on Wednesday was a waste of time,,,,,,,,someone should be shot!!

As she mentioned that Richard had also been involved today, I think she wanted to make sure that nothing was missed this time and the boss was aware. This n]means that I can go to Richard or Rachel and leave the other one out of the loop.

When I left Franta he was being stroked to death by the vet and the nurse and totally peacefull and I hope he has a peaceful night with them and they were discussing a snuggly bed for him.........his blue looking peepers really get into peoples  hearts  ;D

I dont know if any of that was coherant but its the best I can do cos need to go to bed and try to sleep before it all starts again tomorrow......sigh

I so want Franta to be happy and peaceful again and at home.

 :thanks: every one for all your kind thoughts and messages  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 14, 2009, 00:25:02 AM
Sorry for what you and Franta are going through Gill, hope tomorrow brings better news.  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 14, 2009, 00:40:31 AM
Oh Gill what a complete nightmare! I posted just now as you were doing your update. You must be exhausted enough without having to deal with shirty vets and ones who get it wrong too! It must be so frustrating and scarey that no-one seems to know exactly whats wrong with Franta. At least he's being monitored but I know you just want him home and I'm sending all positive vibes I can for him to improve soon.  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on February 14, 2009, 00:59:00 AM
So sorry for you and Franta Gill.
Can only send more healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all there and hope things are better tomorrow.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 01:07:51 AM
Thanks Gillian and I think the emergency vet situation is now bording on the ridiculous and know Angie had a petition about Vets Now but the problem is much deeper than that and extends into what this vets is saying is ethical behavior and all sorts of cop outvstuff that stops us getting emergency care from a vet.

Fancy taking a cat having a serious 'fit' to an emergency vet and they say no we wont treat them cos you are registered elseware that is closed and we will only treat if you transfer to us!

I dont call that ethical at all

You also cant just turn up you have to ring first and Franta could have died while I was arguing with her on the phone. She was saying well is he ok now, well take him home then. He had two'fits'within 15 mins, one very very bad and there was no way of telling when or if he would have another.

All I know he had three in the early hours this morning an hour apart and 3 at the vets today 20 mins apart but the gap between the group seems to be getting longer ....like 6- 9 hours apart. Nobody knows what is triggering them and my vets have never seen such symptoms and they dont tie up with all the normal neuro symptoms.
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Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on February 14, 2009, 01:23:27 AM
Oh Gill Im so sad to read this.

I hope Franta can keep well from now on  :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 06:25:35 AM
You poor thing and poor poor Franta.  I am totally disgusted at the emergency vet for their first refusal to see such a sick little pussy cat.  I know they have ethics but that could have all been sorted out the next day.  Surely Frant's welfare should be paramount to any vet?  I don't have words to make you feel better all I have is hope and positive vibes for your baby and you.  Did they say anything about his middle ears and why give him ear drops if there was no visible infection?  It does sound like something is going on with his brain and I hope they can get to the bottom of it and stop wasting time with Franta and you.  You must be exhausted and so so anxious.  I hope you managed to get some sleep and that Franta had a quiet night.  My thoughts are with you at this awful time  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 14, 2009, 07:09:15 AM
 :hug:  Sorry to hear about Franta Gill but I can relate to how you're feeling our vet has suspected a mass with Schui for a good while now it does seem that with cases like this it is often that they don't know exactly, whatever it turns out to be I hope they can give him some treatment to help him with it as they are Schui xx
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Post by: koscha (Ruth M) on February 14, 2009, 07:25:34 AM
Hun, heres some hugs for you to help you through today....
:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

I've done my scientific trawl and found these sites for you.....

http://neuro.vetmed.ufl.edu/neuro/seizures/seizures.htm (http://neuro.vetmed.ufl.edu/neuro/seizures/seizures.htm)

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_seizure_disorder.html (http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_seizure_disorder.html)

From what these sites say Franta is having epileptic seizures though I would not hazard a diagnosis (i'm not a vet). Have a look at them, take careful note of how he acts before, during and after an attack as this seems to be key to diagnosis and treatment.....

Has a CSF test been mentioned? This is the next best test for determining cause after MRI. Might be worth a mention.... :)

Sorry if i'm overwhelming you, but i'm so desperate to help and as i'm so far away this is the only way i know how... :(

as for that other vet..a pox upon them....to be so unfeeling as to refuse to help a seriously ill cat  >:(

Take care today x
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 14, 2009, 07:31:29 AM
Wish I could do more than let you know we are thinking of you and sending lots of positive, healing vibes, los of these  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: and "petitioning the Guy Upstairs"  :) X
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Post by: bonnielass on February 14, 2009, 07:33:34 AM
Im so sorry Gill and wish i could say or do something to help with this but unfortunately i cant,all i can do is send healing vibes for Franta and hope and pray they can sort this out quickly for your sake and for Franta,as for the vets im absolutely disgusted that they could waste precious time argueing about ethics when poor Franta desperately needed to be seen.I do hope they can find some solution to this problem and help the little man :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 14, 2009, 08:08:35 AM
Way to go Gill - you've been barred from a vet surgery, Franta will be proud of you girl.  :evillaugh: :naughty: :Luv2: :rofl: :Luv2: :hug:

Seriously though I pray he is ok this morning and he is goig to have the correct treatment.

Don't worry about your other puds they know you love them and they know Franta is ill - remember they are more intelligent than humans  :rofl: :Luv2:

Still a long way to go Gill but you and Franta are both staying strong and fighting with all his 9 lives.

Love Mary and Bonnie xx :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 14, 2009, 08:30:31 AM
Gill, am so sorry you had such an appalling return journey, and am adding my thoughts and prayers to all of the others for you and Franta.   Professional ethics shouldn't get in the way of emergency care.  Those are the things you never see on the television vet programmes.

I suspect the practice in East Anglia with the MRI scanner may be the one in Newmarket that I mentioned yesterday, but it's a long journey to make.

Will be hoping for better news for you this morning.   :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 14, 2009, 08:50:10 AM
Ruth those links are really interesting and probably extremely useful to Gill.  Is a CT scan possible if MRI not available until Thursday?  What about Franta being examined by a specialist at Bristol?

Just occurred to me that Newmarket was where I was toying with bringing Tom for HyperT radioisotope treatment at one point but it turned out that HyperT wasn't really his problem. Vets eh, they don't know everything that's for sure  :(

Gill, what can I say. You must be so very tired.  Don't waste any energy worrying about your spat with the vet last night.  She didn't realise how ill Franta was and you were going through hell.  Hope you managed to get some shut eye.  I woke up a few times last night thinking of our boy but didn't want to come downstairs in case the news was even worse than it is.  Even went around doing lots of little jobs this morning putting off looking at this thread.  He's still here ..... so it's onwards and upwards. We're all here for you both  :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 14, 2009, 09:06:02 AM
Gill journey to vet must have been horrendous especially when Franta had a turn.

Do hope some meds can be sorted today and you can get him home. Dont worry about the others as I am sure they can sense what is going on :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 14, 2009, 09:26:10 AM
Phew Gill, what a horrendous time. I still can't work out why valium isn't on the cards as it is generally used to stop fitting.  Swampy had 5mls IV to stop his fits - he also has CRF issues but there was no alternative. He was sent home with a 1ml vial to give rectally if he fitted. Plus the vet put him for 24 hours in an oxygen tent (not every vet has those I know, he was its 1st ever occupant).

The other med perhaps you could ask about is pheno barbital. It's given to cats who have regular fits to prevent them. There's a yahoo cat group on seizures which may be helpful; a lot of the members live with cats that have regular fit problems.
I hope even though Bristol don't have him as a direct patient and can't do an MRI that they can at least give continuing advice based on his notes?

As for the vets, well done you for standing your ground. I'm sure once the dust settles, they won't 'ban' you but will just realise what stress you are under and how you are just trying to get treatment in an urgent situation. All the very best to Franta and his mum.  :hug:
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Post by: tab on February 14, 2009, 10:33:41 AM
What a nightmare time youre having. Poor Franta and poor you.
My parents dog had an MRI just before christmas at the Chestergate refferal hospital near C Hester and it cost £1800. They also charge £100 a day to keep animals in but I was so impressed with the place.
I do hope you can find a treatment that helps
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
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Post by: koscha (Ruth M) on February 14, 2009, 10:53:26 AM
Gill....how close are you to Bristol????
http://www.downsvets.co.uk/veterinary_mri.htm (http://www.downsvets.co.uk/veterinary_mri.htm)

9, Great Brockeridge, Westbury on Trym, Bristol, BS9 3UA

Off M4, take refferals- the MRI scanner is on site 24/7 according to what I can see on the page.

gotta be better than East Anglia for a drive?
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 14, 2009, 11:11:19 AM
What a terrible and exhausting time you'e having  :hug:  I hope today brings some good news.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 14, 2009, 11:12:15 AM
what a nigthtmare you are going through, Gill - every one of us is there with you

I have doubts myself about the ability of vets to deal with serious illness, especially uncommon ones - even the specialist centres are geared up more to deal with advanced orthopaedics and traumatic iinjuries rather than illnesses - serious illnesses are more the subject of research than direct treatment- the one advantage of Newmarket, I believe, is that they will take on some animals if their condition is the subject of their research, for free or reduced costs

if you can get Franta stabilised it might be a possible line to pursue
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Post by: Tan on February 14, 2009, 11:21:16 AM
Oh hun i have just caught up and read the whole thread and i am so sorry darlin Franta is so ill.  :'( My heart is breaking for you as it must be so hard to not to have the right reason and treatment for him and to see him have the attacks.  Racheal and Richard sound if they want the very best for him so i am praying that they find the right medication and he can be at home.

Hun i so wish i could be there with you. I am sending all my luv and will be thinking of you both. I hope all the healing vibes and thoughts forr you from us can help in someway and they find the right way to help him back to his old self.

My prayers are with you both. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on February 14, 2009, 11:38:24 AM
Fingers crossed they can get something sorted out fast for Franta......Sending more positive vibes your way~~~~~~ :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sheli_80 on February 14, 2009, 12:42:41 PM
Gill I'm so sorry about everything you are going through with poor Franta but well done on standing your ground. Hope you feel better after some sleep. Sending lots of positive vibes.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 14, 2009, 12:49:59 PM
Gill....how close are you to Bristol????
http://www.downsvets.co.uk/veterinary_mri.htm (http://www.downsvets.co.uk/veterinary_mri.htm)
9, Great Brockeridge, Westbury on Trym, Bristol, BS9 3UA
Off M4, take refferals- the MRI scanner is on site 24/7 according to what I can see on the page.
gotta be better than East Anglia for a drive?

Well done Ruth.  Gill. The office is closed but message gives following emergency contacts numbers:
Tele for the public 01179 713111 or a vet can page the on call vet on 01209 823133
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 12:51:02 PM
I am back home again but Franta is back at vets with Rachel!

He has not had any fits over night and I think he is a bit brighter than he was but he is still very very down and quite larthargic. Apparently there is a medical name for this but have forgotten it.

The vet I saw when I collected him from the emergency vets ia calleed Emma and knows Rachel cos they trained together at Cambridge and her opinion was that until Franta is stabalized he really needs to be kept under observation in one place..........I so agree.

I have told Rachel about last night and also what Emma siad and pointed out to her that this cant happen cos you keep having to move them from Vets Now and Franta cant be left on his own incase he fits.........we are usuing the term fit here loosely cos it isnt really a fit................Koshka will look at all your links a bit later and thanks for your research  :hug:

Rachel has taken personal responsibility for Franta right now and if he needs to be transported she will do this.

I also told her that we had a petition running against the appalling situation with Vets Now and emergency care for animals........she was surprised.

I think Rachel agres with Emma but the problem is the vet situation does not allow for a very sick cat to be treated properly, except at St James who have 24/7 cover. Rachel is going to speak to Richard head of my vets and aslo speak to St James and she will ring me later.

I have to say that if I cant get a satisfactory situation for Franta at the Gower my only option will be to transfer him to the care permanently of St James but I will hate to lose Rachels expertise, knowledge of Franta and her will to help him.

So Franta and I are back to square one really and his treatment isnt being given a chance to work because of the ludicous continual transportation he is having to suffer which cant help him. The roads are so bad I am sure he must feel terrible being bounced around in his carrier all the time but right now it seems he is too ill to care  :( :(
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Post by: LeighK on February 14, 2009, 12:54:44 PM
My heart goes out to you Gill. Franta is so lucky to have such a loving mum.

All the very best

 :hug: :hug:

Leigh :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on February 14, 2009, 13:00:44 PM
Gill very glad Franta had a better night, fingers crossed that his condition is settling. :hug:

Also hope you dont have to change your vets to get the care needed :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 13:03:50 PM
Change your vets if you have to Gill to the one with the better facilities.  I had to do this with Dragan who had been with the prevous vet for 16 years but they were not geared up to deal with his emergency when he was admitted into intensive care.  I have no loyalty to vets, they get paid for treating our animals and I would go for who can provide the best facilities and treat Franta properly.  I hope he has no further fits but the stess of continually moving him could provoke one.  I really hope they can get to the bottom of it and stop passing you from pillar to post.  We are here for you and all of us thinking of you all constantly :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 13:09:39 PM
Rachel just rang me and Franta still Ok but she agrees that really he should not be moved but I am unhappy if he is left along for long pperiods of time until he is stabalized because if he has fits in quick succession this is very dangerous and aslo there is nobody to fed him, which he needs after a fit.

I have told her that in view of this, unless this problem can be resolved then I will have to transfer him to St James although I dont want to but Franta has to come first......this is horrible and dont want to transfer him but she understands.

She is going to ring me later cos she is still trying to get hold of a particular vet at St James and has their personnal number.
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 14, 2009, 13:14:19 PM
You are doing the right thing Gill :hug:

Rachel sounds an excellent vet and its a shame they dont have all the facilities to care for Franta
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Post by: Sheli_80 on February 14, 2009, 13:14:37 PM
I hope the vets are able to work something out but I don't blame you at all for wanting to move him. Franta comes first and I'm sure a good vet would understand that.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 14, 2009, 13:23:38 PM
Glad you are home safe and that Franta is hanging in there. Very pleased he had a better night. Is he on any medication Gill?  Have to say Rachel is a star. Do I take it St James is the name of the practice that Emma is at and The Gower the name of Rachel's practice?  Ah just googled and looks like that's it.  Did you use St James in the past and move for a reason?  From their web pages, St James certainly seems to offer lots more facilities and Emma sounds pretty good. Like MM said vets feelings must be left out of the equation when deciding who can provide the best care for him.  Is it possible for St James to take Franta as a referral for this condition?

I was about to say I'm not aware of any veterinary practice near us that gives 24/7 care but googled my old vet practice (coz they are part of a large chain) and what do you know, not only 24/7emergency cover but an MRI scanner too and I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole following the experience I had when Gandolf was pts.  

You now need to get some rest Gill. Franta is in the best possible hands. Rachel will do what's best.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 13:45:34 PM
I didnt know that either had a website Rosella so will check now.

The Gower is my current vets and have used them since I had Misa ands Sasa. Its a small but lovely practise and Richard and Rachel are there. They are used by CP and thats why I knew about them. They handle the cats so well due to the standards that Richard has set and one vert could be introuble I reckon!

Gower gave me the number of St James when Sasa was ill a year ago and becuase I have to trap her..........no time scale known! and as I have an hours drive also I could not get to the Gower before they closed and they wouldnt wait for me.

So rang St James and they said as long as Gower were happy they would see Sasa and Jamey the vet was great and handled SAsa well until she bit him LOL. Because I rang around 1130 it was in normal hours on a Saturday. In nov I need renal buscuits for Franta after the Gower ran out and got them from St James and at that time was asked if I wanted to register Franta so I did and they alsi regisrerd Ducha and Misa.

But despite this last night I was givem the run around by the emergency vet there until I told her that if Franta died ion my way home I would know where to come! She then said if I would take litigation against them, she would take Franta in.

Very very nasty and got another load of  :censored: when I got their about professional ethics etc etc which is all just garbage,

When I told Rachel she said there was an agreement of non-poaching between the two but I didnt want a poaching situation , just Franta safe and under observation for the night cos I wasnt sure I could get him hom if he had another serious fit.

Rachel has now said that the fits seem to be coming after he has been moved but its still too early to tell if there is a pattern and certainly that wasnt the case when they started but she is now concerned about his BP which can cause blindness and he showing signs of retinal damage and think more since last night....probably the very bad fit he had in the car..........and also a stroke and brain damage. So she doesnt want him moved around any more either now.

So no I have never had St James as my vets only in an emergency and there are known issues uts coming out now cos Rachel told me today that people around the surgery where trying to use St James as the emergency place rather than go to Vets Now which is on the other side od Swansea....St James is only 15 mins away.

So I am waiting for Rachels call again and will do a search on St James cos they are a group practice.

Concerning the MRI scan Franta cannot be transported and yesterday before this was known, it was decided that the expense and trauma to Franta on any journey was not worth the possible outcome, which just may show that he has a brain tumour that would be treated as they are trying to traet him now.

I have so many mixed emotions about all of this as does Rachel cos from a professional point of view she would love to know what is going on inside his head becuase she says his symptoms are very unusual and do not match any that are known all together but still have to look at Koshkas links.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Wibblechick on February 14, 2009, 14:05:24 PM
Sending you more   :hug: :hug: :hug: and a special friend ....
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Post by: Stuart on February 14, 2009, 14:10:01 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 14, 2009, 14:13:48 PM
God, I am so sorry you have had such a bad couple of days Gill, and I do hope they can work things out soon for both you and Franta's sake and that the current treatment works.

I know it's by the by now, but the specialist my vet uses charge £2k for an MRI (or at least they did when I had Tiger there, it might have come down now) - they might be closer being in Yorkshire. Shame your not close to something like that, as they are staffed 24/7, as are my emergency vets.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 14:13:57 PM
KOshka I have just looked those links ansd second one is great.

I agree with you that he does seem to be having seizures although epilepsy has not been mentioned to me and I suspect the one he had in tha car last night was Grand Mal and also one of the 3 he had on Friday night. I think the others wer probably Psychomotor seizures.

It goes on to say that if the cat is older then the likely causes is a tumor pressing on the brain, which I think is the diagnosis at present.

He has been given an anti-biotic called marbocyl wqhich was intended to be a starter treatment because it gets into the brain areas and gets to any infections in there like Meningitus. The intend next stage was steroids, both of these treat ments to be administered every 24 hours by injection but this means transporting Franta 50 miler every day, which I think is too stressful.

When Rachel next rings I will pass this onto her and see what she says.

Koshka please could you pm me cos I know youre studying something to do with all this kind of theing and would really like to know what you are studying for and where. Thank you so very much for your help  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 14:17:26 PM
Thanks Desley cos that makes Rachels estimation sound about right.

I have just taken Kosckas link ...think it was her......sigh I am confuddled................for Downs Vets in Wales and interesting set up by a Cambridge graduate in 1992, Rachel may know him as she is also a Cambridge graduate and this facility is only about 20 miles from here I reckon.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Liz on February 14, 2009, 14:43:55 PM
Gill just an idea to save on poor Franta being transported could they not show you how to inject the steroid injection - you keep the bottle of stuff in the fridge a bit like the insulin the only thing is the needle is quite big and the steroid is gloopy

A couple of practice shots with water and you would be set - we gave steroids this way to Gem and gracie for 9 and 2 months respectively and the stress level was much easier on them and us

I have to say that we have only used 2 vets practices in the last 20 years apart froma couple of CP vets and I trust them more than our doctors!

I hope that the situation gets calmer all round for both of you  :hug:

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 14:47:24 PM
Rachel has just rung and Franta is being transferred totally to St James and Emma will ring me shortly.

He will stay there all weekend at least  and the simple answer to all of this is that they are guessing with his treatment and without an MRI they cant tell, If its a tumour then this would be the worst for Franta and if he cant be stablized on the abs, then Rachle thinks he may have to be PTS.

She is pretty certain that him travelling for an MRI is not an option at present cos of how he is but if he becomes stable and can get to the otherside of Carmarthen then this maybe an option .........but the real question is whether this will help Franta at all because of his general health now and his bp is becoming an issue.

I dont know if my little man will ever come home again  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Skiddaw on February 14, 2009, 14:49:36 PM
I'm so sorry Gill. Will keep everything crossed. What an awful time you're having.
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 14, 2009, 14:52:03 PM
i am sorry things aren't looking more promising Gill, I do hope he can defy the vets.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 14, 2009, 14:59:58 PM
I hope so too Gill. If I had a £ for every time a vet had said to me that they are guessing without an MRI (for Swampy), I'd be rich. Yes it's ideal as then they know 100% what is wrong, but they don't need to hide behind it. They should treat it as if it was x or y (and the non-surgical treatment's aren't that different).

I am thinking of you all the time and hoping that Franta will be stabilised. He may not be the same when you bring him home, but as long as there is quality of life, he's still your Franta. I'm so sorry Gill and just send lots of love  :hug: Please try not to anticipate the worst - I know how hard that is, but there is still hope and you said that Franta is a real fighter too xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Baggy on February 14, 2009, 15:01:20 PM
Gill I have only just caught up with this, let's hope that Franta becomes more stable.  At least he will be able to stay in one place with someoene observing him round the clock.

I'm so sorry it's such a difficult situation - will be thinking of you and gorgeous Franta  :hug:.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 14, 2009, 15:05:17 PM
Gill, am following this closely.  Still hoping some miracle will happen and that all will become clear as to what's troubling Franta.   :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 15:11:44 PM
There are so many people sending positive love and vibes for Franta I do hope it helps.  You must be worried out of your mind, I hope he can stabilise and they can find this miracle.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 14, 2009, 15:15:36 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 14, 2009, 15:38:56 PM
I don't know what to say, except I'm keeping everything crossed for Franta in the hope that the treatment he's getting stabilises him at least so that you can decide where to go from there.  :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on February 14, 2009, 15:43:24 PM
C'mon Franta.....get better, Sweetie.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 16:30:56 PM
He is in the best place Gill, they will monitor him and make sure he is comfy and help him as much as is possible.  Hopefully they can get him stabilised and then try to find out what is causing it.  Fingers crossed  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 16:37:22 PM
He has still not arrived at the new vet and I dont know why, I have asked them to ring me when he arrives cos I would like to go and see him and find out how they are gonna treat him
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 16:42:23 PM
I hope they ring you soon and you can visit and talk to the vets there  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 16:48:43 PM
I can't stop thinking about you both.  I a so so hoping that Franta will be ok but whatever I know you will do whatever you can to help :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 14, 2009, 16:51:02 PM

I dont know if my little man will ever come home again  :'( :'( :'(


If us Purrs peeps have anything to do with it then he will.  You know we're all sending positive vibes and as someone has said, where there is life there is hope.  I'm so sorry you are having such a struggle to get him continuous care on top of your worry about his condition.  The AB that he is on  -Marbocyl- is the one that Korky had when he had his problem (which may have been just ear but vet thought more likely brain as well).  He wasn't as bad as Franta is but he was in a pretty sorry state (PTS was mentioned) but he's fine now.  Come on Franta - you can do it :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 16:55:13 PM
Yes COME ON FRANT we are all waiting for you to come home all better again.
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Post by: Janeyk on February 14, 2009, 16:56:19 PM
 :hug: lots of positive thought going your way Gill, take care of yourself xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 17:10:06 PM
Franta has arrived and is being settled into his new home in a nice quiet area.

He hasnt had another attack and has had another ab injection. Emma says if I ring tomorrow moring then I can go and visit him.....her suggestion  ;D

Sending all my love to Franta, come on my blue-eyed cuddlebum, please get better  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Skiddaw on February 14, 2009, 17:13:44 PM
That sounds more positive! Fingers crossed that it turns out to be a nasty infection and now the antibiotics are kicking in. Will have to go off line soon (Valentines Day meal to prepare) but will be thinking of you. Take care of yourself.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 17:30:31 PM
Rachel has just rung to say Franta and his little file have been moved and that she thinks he is not so stupfied today and he has been sitting up and meowing a bit.  ;D

I so wish Rachel could have kept his care cos she knows him so very well and is so good with him but I hope Emma will be good too and just hope that the abs are working cos its 3 hrs short of 24 since his last attack. Hope she has briefed Emma on all his little ways and that gets passed on to all....trouble is its such a bigger practice there are so many more staff members.

Rachel said that is quiet there at present so that will be really good for him and not to move him
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Post by: Janeyk on February 14, 2009, 17:38:22 PM
 ;D  that's sounds really good, and being kept quiet and peaceful when not well is so important I think, keeping everything crossed for him xx 

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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 14, 2009, 17:45:07 PM
What a horrible situation you're in  :hug:  It's bad enough having a sick cat, without having to deal with all the moving him around and vet politics.  Makes me very grateful for my vet situation (my vet is 5 min drive away, they provide emergency cover, someone is on the premises 24/7 and they are a specialist referral centre too so have a lot of equipment, drugs and specialists that your average vet doesn't have access to).  I'm glad that Franta seems more stable now.  Fingers crossed that he shows some improvement now that he is in one place and isn't going to be moved about over the weekend.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 14, 2009, 18:00:46 PM
It's so much better that he has someone to look after him overnight Gill and that he doesn't have to be moved again. I'm so relieved he is showing some signs of improvement at last  ;D. 

Please make every effort to chill out this evening...such a pity you don't drink coz a glass of wine at times alike this can do wonders.  You need to get some rest. Could you do me a favour please and give Misa and Ducha a big cuddle?  Got a feeling that might help you a wee bit. They gotta earn their keep tha knows.. and well ... we all know Sasa ain't the cuddlin type  :-:

Have a think tomorrow about whether you want need to go visit or not when you ring.  How do I put this Gill?  I think you know  ;) but ask yourself if it will help or unsettle him   :( 
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Post by: pappilon on February 14, 2009, 18:06:21 PM
Gill sending you lots of :hug: :hug: :hug: and good vibes for Franta. X
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 14, 2009, 18:13:22 PM
I hope that he is still doing well, and that he settles quickly. I do think that a visit from their human helps a lot, and if you can sleep in a T-shirt tonight and take it with you tomorrow, that will help him, or something that he likes to sleep on, even if it is some paper!!
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Post by: Kirst on February 14, 2009, 18:18:37 PM
Come on Franta , we are all rooting for you. You need to get home and start yelling at your mum again. :hug:
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Post by: Bonkers Mad!!! on February 14, 2009, 19:01:21 PM
you must be having an awful time right now.  everything crossed here that Franta continues to improve  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 14, 2009, 19:17:17 PM
Oh that sounds more hopeful, I've just been telling mum about Franta Gill, and she is adding her positive vibes to all the others  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 19:21:29 PM
I have always been told that visits to sick cats help but not to sick dogs.

I definately will be going to visit him tomorrow and thanks Desley for remionding me to take a shirt, he can have the one I am wearing.

I have been cuddling Misa all afternoon Rosella and just have been up to give Ducha a stroke but sadly all my cats are taking advantage of the situation.

Misa has taken back the desk, with an occasional check to make sure Franta doest walk in behind him, Sasa has retaken her cat bed back and Ducha is just snoozing in his radiator bed.....the interesting thing about upstairs is that Ducha is not eating his food much and I wonder if Franta has been sneaking in annd hoovering it.

I hadnt noticed him doing that but its strange the food is not being eaten.

Just had ruptions at the cat flap cos its raining and the little black cat has arrived.........Misa came thumping through flap shouting and black cat has gone back down the garden, Sasa has come to se whats going on.

I feel very sad that nobody misses Franta except me and its eerily quiet, Franta is such a determined little cat and liked attention all the time and made sure he got it.

If he starts trashing his cage then I will know he is feeling better.

The vet said she will ring me if there is any change, which is nice.

Have just had  some cocoa and hot crossed bun but I am so exhausted that I am sort of falling asleep but cant and just generally feeling terrible.

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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 14, 2009, 19:28:17 PM
My vet let me visit Swampy and sit with him quietly in between consulting hours and it definitely helped him as well as helping me. OK he yelled a bit when I left, but I know he was comforted and I think he did better not feeling so unfamiliar and abandoned. I"m sure Franta will love it if you go and especially if you can leave something there that smells of you and his home, that is such a good idea.

It sounds more positive Gill and I'm sending all the positive vibes we can find around here your way. A glass of red wine would be a good idea I agree - but failing that, something comforting to eat. Please take care.
 :hug: xxx
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Post by: clarenmax on February 14, 2009, 19:35:31 PM
Keeping everything crossed for Franta, c'mon little man, get better sweetheart  :hug: xxxx
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Post by: Millys Mum on February 14, 2009, 19:36:19 PM
Best wishes Gill   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on February 14, 2009, 19:42:32 PM
Sending lots of positive healing vibes for Franta and that he continues to make progress :Luv: iI think now you have to pamper yourself a little bit tonight ,a nice hot bath with loads of bubbles then sit down with the gang and have some relaxation ready for when Franta comes home as he will need you to be well :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 14, 2009, 19:46:18 PM
Gill further to my PM it's sounding pretty encouraging and maybe Franta and Bonnie can have a postponed Valentine Anniversary.  Just think last year at tthis time they were having their 1st date.  Can't wait for him to come home and see his card from Bonnie.

Love Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2009, 19:54:23 PM
I do hope so Mary but trying not to raise my hopes too high.

Once again I must thank everyone for your support and good wishes fror Franta cos you are my life line and I do appreciate it so much  :thanks:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 19:57:10 PM
I am glad he is more settled and at least you can be sure that he is as safe as can be with attention should he need it. At this time this has to be a good option to aid his recovery.  Now you have to take the opportunity tonight to concentrate on yourself and getting some sleep and relaxation so that you can be all bright and fresh to visit your lovely boy tomorrow  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 14, 2009, 19:59:46 PM
Iyou are my life line and I do appreciate it so much  :thanks:

You' d do it for one of us, wouldnt you?  :hug: :hug: :hug: 

All very best wishes for a good nights rest and tomorrow being a better day  :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: JackSpratt on February 14, 2009, 20:52:53 PM
Topping up the hugs :care: :care: and hoping you're coping. Sending Franta positive vibes.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: ChrisB on February 14, 2009, 20:54:27 PM
Gill, thinking of you and Franta and hoping things improve - at least Franta seems more settled and hopefully you can get a bit of sleep.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 14, 2009, 21:19:05 PM
Sorry Gill, I hadn't heard that about visiting sick cats but not dogs  :-[  Sounds a fab idea to bring something you have worn/slept in. 

Of course the best thing would be if he doesn't have another nasty "fit" and could come home tomorrow :hug:  Warmest soothing good wishes to you both.  Do hope you get some rest tonight.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on February 14, 2009, 22:32:07 PM
Have everything crossed that Franta is settling and wont have another turn.

It will be such a relief for you to visit him tomorrow.

Could Ducha be off his food because he is missing Franta :hug:

Hope you can get a good rest this evening :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on February 14, 2009, 23:27:34 PM
Hope Franta stays okay tonight and they find out its nothing serious.
Please get some rest ( easier said than done i know!).
All paws and fingers crossed here too - also sending mega healing vibes for Franta and  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all.
Safe journey tomorrow -lets hope he can come back home with you.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sheli_80 on February 15, 2009, 00:00:23 AM
Aww I hope Franta settles at the new vet. Thinking of you all and sending heaps and heaps of positive vibes.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: 2d on February 15, 2009, 01:06:48 AM
Am still keeping everything crossed for you all.

And he does sound like he's better off with 24hr care (something I'd never thought about till we nearly needed it, but am now incredibly grateful that it's available).

You're in my prayers.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 06:23:08 AM
Hoping Franta (and you) had a restful night and he is still stable.  Give him a big luv from all of us when you visit him  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 15, 2009, 08:28:32 AM
Hope you have both had a peaceful night and things are looking even more positive today Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kirst on February 15, 2009, 09:02:25 AM
Will be praying for some good news for Franta and you today Gill. :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 15, 2009, 09:19:31 AM
Lots of kisses and cuddles to Franta when you visit today Gill.

Good luck.

Love M & B xx :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Stuart on February 15, 2009, 09:27:08 AM
Give Franta heaps of lovies n cuddles from me today Gill
Hope you both had a restfull night
and I hope you get some positive news from the vet's today
 :hug: :hug: :hug:

Stuart n Misty
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on February 15, 2009, 09:37:17 AM
Topping up with some more get well soon Franta vibes, and sending you some more  :hug: :hug: :hug: xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Wibblechick on February 15, 2009, 10:09:11 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: and all best wishes for today  :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 15, 2009, 10:13:33 AM
I hope today brings some good news.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 15, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
All the very best for you both and for your visit. Hope Franta and you manage a good cuddle which will do you both the world of good.  It sounds so positive that he's not fitted for 24 hours but I do understand why you don't even want to think that or post it just in case. But it is positive news  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: JackSpratt on February 15, 2009, 10:51:35 AM
Just wanted to let you know I was thinking of you and Franta, Gill.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 15, 2009, 10:56:07 AM
I hope you both had a restful night and that Franta is doing better now.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on February 15, 2009, 11:02:25 AM
Best wishes for today  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Liz on February 15, 2009, 11:19:48 AM
Thinking of you both and hope that he has had a quiet night and that you got some sleep :hug:

Our vets have always encouraged visits for the dogs but then they got the message that we would want to see our cats and always the vets have lets us visit - even up to 11.00 at night if Robin was working late or had been away - we I had to say paid for the late night visits but it made all the difference to the cats who have spent times in the vet especially poor Puma a hand rear who his under his bed and refused to eat in the vets till Mummy and Daddy visited with all sorts of treats and had  fed him!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 15, 2009, 12:13:54 PM
Gill, topping up the vibes and Paddy says he's concentrating all of his Franta Fraternal Finderer energies on his mate, Ole Blue Eyes, (of the Sideaways glances and der lookin' away......)   :hug:  :hug:  Come on, lil' man.   :care:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 15, 2009, 12:56:45 PM
Hope there is some good news for you and Franta today  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: hannah (weeny) on February 15, 2009, 13:14:59 PM
sending good vibes from here  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 13:15:21 PM
 :thanks: for all the good vibes and have just come back from visiting Franta.

He is a bit more better today and was sitting up in his cage and meowed when I went in........i dont know if he heard me coming or just someone coming but it was really great to see him. I felt he was getting a bit upset cos he realized he wasnt coming home and also the cat in the next cage who want cuddles so I thought I better leave.

Have had a long talk with Emma and grrrrrrrrrrrrr she wanted him to go home now and be orally medicated which cant happen, hence the reason that Rachel was gonna see him everyday.

Ok Emma has not seen one of his attacks and he has not had one there, she would like to see one of course!, but she is concerned about how he will cope tomorrow when they are really busy and he is reacting to every little noise but he has been there less that 24 hours and Rachels lest words to me were do not move him  because she is really worried that the transportation is stressing him so badly and he did two short journeys yesterday , well spaced out and with a vet.....not an hour or more half down a motorway with just me.

I am not sure what to do for the best and what follows may duplicate some of the av=bove cos its from a discusion I have had with someone off forum but think sums up my worries and concerns and I just do not know what to do.


' However and I am gonna write on Purrs shortly about this cos I feel I am caught between a rock and a brick wall!

Rachel in my humble opinion and the care Franta had within there limitations on 24/7 care, is much superior to that he is getting at St James. Yes St J have given him 24/7 monitoring but I have visited Franra this morning at he is definately better than he was and fingers crossed he is responding to the antibiotic, but he only moved there about 1630 last night, altbeit they had him Friday night too and already they want him to come home!

Rachels words to me after he moved were do not move him and she also knew that he cannot be hand medicated and her plan was to administer 24 hour injections until proved that it was working and then give him injectioins that lasted two to 3 days and I know she was taking advice from Bristol.

I have spoken at length to Emma this morning and she said she cant think of anything but convenia....which Franta had on Wed and didnt work or Penicillian to give him for longer periods but she knows that the current ab has been given because it gets into the brain and treats infections there...........I do not believe that the only other options are convenia and peniccilian!!!!!!

So no St J are not giving him the care and thought necessary but just taking the easy option in my opinion because they have not seen one of his attacks although Rachel has described it and of course I am well familiar with them, and there ofre they believe he is best at home and being hand medicated.......not posible and its 100% necessary that he gets his abs every day.

Someone in my Swansea Art group when they heard me mention St J came and whispered on my ear, saying be very careful they dont just take the easy option and PTS. This has always worried me and currently is very much.

Because the Gower is a small very intimate place and I think purpose bulit, if Franta has an attack a vet and reception would be able to hear at St J this not the case and although there is someone there all the time any problems that were over quite quick would not be heard but found later.

I just dont know what to do for the best and I do not have the option of moving Franta back and forth between the two vets or even transferring him back to the gower for anything...........maybe a second opinion?????

Ay present I have told Emma that I want him to stay there for another 24 hours at least, which she is happy to happen but she is worried about his reaction too all the noise and hustle and bustle of normal day surgery, cos unlike the Gower they have full wating rooms and lots of stuff happening all the time whereas the Gower are far more relaxed and calm, I think they have longer appointment times and there for you dont get lots of people clogging up the waiting room.

My head is spinning and I would love to have Franta home and yes it would be quiet for him although next door are banging and crashing around agin as I type.

Franta seemed to get more dejected as he realized he wasnt leaving but at least Emma took of the dreaded bandage that he hated and the catheter has been removed before. I had to ask for them to give him some food cos he was acting like he was hungry, they did but I shouldnt have to ask this.

Just gont know what to do because I told Emma how stessed he got in the car and forgot to mention that we are talking at least 3/4 hour journey for him each way depending on traffic, I thought she knew but am wondering.

Emma siad she will ring me again later and I have told her that I do not want to be transprting him the dark.

I so badly want him to get better and just as he is improving I dont want to upset him by constantly transporting him because Emma did say the seizures can suddenly return.

I am not sure how it can be determined what is wrong with him because if he had an infection and it goes that cant be tested and makes an MRI a waste of time. If the seizres return he is too ill to travel for hours to get an MRI, he also doesnt not have one vet looking after him anymore and will be looked after by anyone available and all vets have different and sometimes conflicting views.'

So now I am just as concerned as I was about his care and am I making the right decision not bringing him home. Tomorrow Emma will hand over to the day staff and I have never had any dealings with them but they are older as far as I can tell and I prefer youger more on the ball vets I have to say. Also ones like at the Gower .....except the unnamable one...........who take advice from the experts cos they are not to proud to learn and add to their knowledge.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: tab on February 15, 2009, 13:17:31 PM
I dont know what to say so I'll just say I hope he improves soon
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 15, 2009, 13:20:15 PM
What a tricky situation Gill, not sure if I can offer any advice, although I can see it is tricky for Emma as she hasn't seen them, so due to the time since the last one, she is probably thinking he will be fine at home, is there no way you could give him the meds?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 13:33:42 PM
No Desley, as I told Emma I cant even open his mouth and Rachel had probs too. This vets dont understand how he is cos they dont know him like Rachel.

I suspect Rachel was more gentle with him than this place are cos she knows and has witnessed how upset he gets........I am not a happy bunny right now.

He isnt well enough yet to get seriously upset and the other vets heard him howling for attention and saw him completely trash his cage.

When he was away from home for a couple of days last year I heard him howling when I walked in from outside  :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on February 15, 2009, 13:34:50 PM
I don't know what to suggest hunnie, but only you know Franta, and can best decide on where he should be right now.

Such a tough call  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 13:51:10 PM
Thought better update thetitle!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 15, 2009, 13:55:13 PM
Can the meds not be injected, or would you not feel comfortable giving him injections? (I know I wouldn't).
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 13:57:58 PM
Yes they are being injected at the moment and its very important that he get all of them, I dont know how long he will need them.

I am not sure about injecting or whether they would let me but this vets has a notice on the wall about dianbetic cats and gives lessons under supervision how to inject them.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 15, 2009, 13:58:58 PM
Might be worth asking Gill, unless you feel he would be better there than at home?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 15, 2009, 14:01:14 PM
It does sound, like you said, that he is responding to the those antbio's and I think you are right for him to stay for the next 24 hours, not ideal because of the hustle and bustle of the practice, but think he needs the stability/continuity of one place for now.

Convenia seems like completely the wrong antibio from what I can see about it on Noah compendium - its indicated more in skin problems and UTI's, http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Pfizer_Limited/Convenia_80_mg_ml_powder_and_solvent_for_solution_for_injection_for_dogs_and_cats/-43049.html - plus it didnt work first time and don't forget it lasts 14 days in the sytem, he only had the last one on Wed.

So if he stays another 24 hours, and continues to improve enough to come home, then presumably Emma can administer the current antibio (today I suppose, if he hasnt already had it today) then give him the 2-3 day antibio that Rachel is suggesting before you come to pick him up - then he has 2-3 days at least without having to be moved at all, before he needs to go (presumably back to Gower practice) for the next jab - if he needs one.

Just my thoughts, dunno if it helps any  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: madkittyrescue on February 15, 2009, 14:36:36 PM
Gill what a predicament to be in.... I really feel for you hun :hug:  :hug:   It must be so difficult to know what to do for the best.

If the a/b's are working and you feel that you would be able to administer the injections then it may well be worth asking if they will show you how?  that way it saves you having to move him constantly and he can be at home where everythign is familiar and quiet but you can still speak to the vet by phone for advice.

Is there no vet closer to you that may be an option?

it is definately difficult to know what to do for the best and I really feel for you and Franta at the moment hun.    Perhaps seeing how be goes on the a/b's over the next week or two may help to decide what is best???

Please give Franta big hugs from us when you see him next and we are thinking of you both so much. :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 15, 2009, 14:59:36 PM
All my thoughts are with you Gill and am trying hard to put myself in your shoes and come up with miracle suggestion.  If Franta has not had another attack by tomorrow am, I would be looking to bringing him home tomorrow afternoon very gingerly e.g. taking him as far as the car and sitting there with him for 20 mins or so in the car park.  I can only be lead by your posts but I get the impression you are unimpressed with standard of care at St James even tho they provide 24/7 cover. 

Have you tried doing a pros and cons list to see if that makes anything clearer?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Liz on February 15, 2009, 15:06:27 PM
Gill the injections aren't that hard to give and it would mean you could have him home in his comfort zone and yours

The practice for injections is with water in a syringe and then they give you the real stuff perhaps the vets from there could come to your home to do this daily if you can't face the thought of injecting

Our thoughts are with you at this time and I know we all have advice but he is your baby and you know how he can be treated

I would go for the injections by you less stress for you both - the first one is the hardest but then it becomes routine :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 15, 2009, 15:10:19 PM
Further to my PM Gill.... I am surprised they don't have a soundproof area at St James.  The RSPCA in Halifax is only small and when I was looking for Smudge they phoned me as they had a black cat that was blind and not sure how long it had been blind.  They took me to an are different from the last one when they phoned me to look at a black cat and even though all the dogs were barking I could not hear a thing in that room.  Fingers crossed he will be ok withthe daily noise that goes on in the place tomorrow.

It seems to me that he is slowly but surely making improvements, it's just a pity we can't wave a magic wand and make it happen now.  Good idea from Desley about injecting him yourself - don't forget to ask.

Be brave.

M & B XXX :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Skiddaw on February 15, 2009, 15:13:29 PM
I think if it was me, I'd probably go with Rosella's advice. Difficult one though- however, so glad he seems to be improving. Have they any idea what it is? Presumably it is an infection of some kind being as he's responding to antibiotics?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on February 15, 2009, 15:15:06 PM
This is probably a no go suggestion - but would it be possible for you to have Rachel travel with you in the car till you got him home safely ?
I know thats extra journeys as you would have to take her back - but it might be good to have her sit with him and calm and stroke him whilst you get him home .

Me and the cats are sending alll mega healing vibes day and night for Franta and hope he progresses more every day and no more problems .
Sending lots of :hug: :hug: :hug: to you - have been thinking about this since it happened and checking the news on his progress.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 15:24:48 PM
Answering the last first, yes I am not happy about the care at St J....oh I see Liz has just answered too  ;D........the only good part is the 24/7 care. There is no car park have to park on a very very busy road and go down a side road to turn round..........thinking I must try and do this first but there are limited parking spaces outside  grrrrrrrrrrr and I might lose it.

I dont much like the thought of him sitting in the carrier cos he knows he is in the car and that will be sufficient to make him unhappy.

No Liz they wont come out to me cos I am far too far away but this is something that will have to be discussed cos what Rachel called option 2 :'( is going to happen sometime and she had agreed to come to me and I need that from St J too. Rachel said if they wont she would be happy to help. 

No MK there are no good small animal vets round here, up to the standard I want, mostly farm vets.

I will have to think about the injection thing, makes me very nervous cos my left hand has only partial use and cant bend two fingers.

Afraid I have had to totally transfer him to St Js Gillian to get the 24/7 care so he wont be going back to the Gower again  :( St Js dont know what ab they could give that would last 2-3 days..........sigh and this is where the knowledge and care start to break down and as said I am unhappy about St Js care.

I am thinking about ringing the Gower tomorrow so I can go to see Richard to discuss the care situation at the Gower. I suspect this is going to be very sensitive subject for him but as Rachel knew Vets Now cannot give the care that a cat in Frantas condition needs cos you have to keep moving the animal back and forth, which in Frantas case was a disaster. So it would be take from vet to Vets Now and recollect at 0800 and take back to normal vets every day!

I also want him to know how I appreciate Rachels care of Franta and all the work she put in to help him and that I really dont want to be at St James for any of my cats but what option do I have.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 15:41:12 PM
I don't know what I would do in your situation Gill.  You have a difficult dilemma and you know Franta best.  Maybe the option of leaving him with the 24/7 hospital until tomorrow and if no further fits then think about bringing him home and learning how to do the injections.  I would not want to sway you either way as it has to be your decision but I think you have to go for the option that will cause Franta the least distress.  Do you put Feliway in his carrier and in your car?  Also could you cover his carrier with a blanket and play some calm music in your car?  I know that it is important to keep stress levels down when cats have been fitting (from my Guiness RIP).  Franta has coped so far as the 24.7 hospital and it may be that he copes better than you expect as he wont be feeling 100% will he?  All I can offer is the hope that you can come to the right decision for you and for Franta and that he continues to be fit free and to improve.  Hopefully this will all be a bad memory soon.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 15:56:37 PM
Thank you  :hug:

Actually I have stopped playing the music in the car although it was very quiet calming music for me, and Franta hasnt shouted in the car since but this maybe just cos he wasnt well enough.

I hope what ever happens it causes Franta less stress but right now I just not sure which way that is......also has to cause me less stress cos he will pick up my stress.

I had believed the 24/7 option for him was the least stressful and also Rachel but seems that St Js do not want to keep him there as they cant see anything happening and dont know what he is normally like. What worries me is that they seem to think that he is stable after such a short time.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Liz on February 15, 2009, 15:57:45 PM
Gill I have RSi and where 2 ruddy metal splints which somewhat hinder mobility and our Tiger was a 8kg feral!

Sorry to hear the vets won't come out - our first vet had a 30 mile round trip and this one only 10 and a really rough track.  

Gill perhaps you need to get the vets to talk to each other - we got our current vet to speak to our old vet to confirm all the details of our mob even though we had given them complete histories for each cat in paper and on CD rom.

The injections are much easier than you think I will say the steroid is gloopy and needs a bigger needle than the insulin but once over that it really is easier and so less stressful for them ours always got a food treat usually human food and both Gracie and gem were used to the injections - bearing in mind the steroid isn't given every day and the antibiotic needle is smaller and just as easy to give

Just so folks know we give Antibiotics and steroids to ferals after initial consultation with the vets to lessen the stress to our merry band of ferals, we also had a diabetic boy so we are used to things being in the fridge although did get some odd lokks from folks when we had a weeks worth of syringes in the door of the fridge next to the cheese!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 15, 2009, 16:15:41 PM
Oh how I wish I had a magic wand that I could wave to make things easier for you but of course I haven't.  All I can manage is some of these  :hug:  :hug:

In situations where there is no obvious right and wrong I find it helpful (though distressing) to think through how I would feel about each option if it went wrong and the worst happened.  I then go with the one that I would feel most comfortable with having followed even if it didn't result in the right outcome.  I hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 16:20:17 PM
Thank you, yes that sounds sensible Carol and obviously to have him at the vets is the safest for him right now but think I will have to move on from there cos he cant stay at the vets for ever and he will be much happier at home, if he can cope with the travel.

I am still thinking about the injections.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Indys Mamma on February 15, 2009, 16:47:20 PM
Gill re the injections, if Rachael would be ok with you giving them (after some practice) if they are needed daily over a long period, that would be good as surely it is no worse than insulin?a and really is not hard to do, having had a diabetic dog... because you know it helps you get past the nerves quickly
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 16:50:11 PM
Rachel probably would but have had to take Franta out of her care sadly and he is now with a new vets cos they have 24/7 coverage. I dont know any of them cept the vet on duty over the weekend and she will not be there tomorrow.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: pappilon on February 15, 2009, 16:51:43 PM
Oh Gill, i am sorry you having such a difficult time :( My thoughts are with you and Franta. :hug:

Gill, regarding Franta travelling from vets to home, can you ask them to arrange for a pet ambulance to bring him home ,this way he has some one qualified with him in case he has one of his attacks.

Sending get well vibes to Franta. :hug: X

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 15, 2009, 17:37:39 PM
When the vet sent Swampy home so quickly (no-one was on duty all weekend) after his fitting, he put him in a bigger carrier than usual - one of those big, wire vet ones -and covered it well with a blanket. I know your journey is longer, so I'd say wait until you are comfy with him travelling. Plus have meds in case he does have a problem. On the injections, if they are sub qs, you can do them at home I would have thought, which will be much less stress for you and him. The vet showed me how (I was terrified the first time) and gave me a spare needle just in case of "non-co-operation" but they don't seem to hurt. Not like intra muscular jabs.

Thinking of you and hoping so much that Franta has now stabilised. He will be much happier at home with his mum too  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Skiddaw on February 15, 2009, 18:09:15 PM
Hope Franta has a comfortable night and continues to improve. Also hope you get a better night's sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Leanne on February 15, 2009, 18:09:58 PM
Gill I'm just catching up since Friday.

What a nightmare for you and Franta, I don't know what to suggest but the other peeps here have some good sugestions.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: to you and Franta
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 18:12:44 PM
I dont think we have pet ambulances round here Pav...........I wish we did cos that would be just the ticket.

I have a wire cage which is a bit bigger than my largest carrier and took both with me yesterday and put him in the larger of the two carriers to take to the Gower.

I discussed this with Rachel cos I was worried that if he did have an attck in the cage he may get a claw or a paw stuck in the wire while he was going crazy spinning and she said she would trim his claws but dont know if that happened.

Am waiting for the vet to call me to see what we do tomorrow and how his antibiotics will be adjusted if they are going to be given in the morning. I would suspect to half double them up to get it right would be better than halving it, cos reckon right now he needs no breaks even half a day.

If I am going to bring him home will take the cage with me too cos they have the large carrier there.

I would so love to have him home.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 15, 2009, 18:15:42 PM
What a difficult decision for you  :hug:  If Franta doesn't have a fit today or overnight, that will mean he's not had one for some time?  Which might mean he will be ok at home? 
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Post by: bunglycat on February 15, 2009, 18:17:34 PM
Isn't there anyone that could go with you and sit with Franta and talk to him.?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 18:19:48 PM
In another two hours Susanne he will not have had one for 48 hours, so as long as he doesnt have one over night it will be over two days  ;D

I am hoping so but its the long travel that could upset this, gosh I am so scared and so just want him to get better and not upset his current equilibrium
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Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on February 15, 2009, 18:28:39 PM
Keeping all fingers, toes and appendages crossed he keeps going without another fit, Gill.

Huge :cuddle: for you and a :care: for Ol' Bloo Peepers. xxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 18:37:38 PM
Everything crossed and huge positive vibes heading your way from Manchester McCalls xxxxx
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 15, 2009, 19:20:14 PM
In another two hours Susanne he will not have had one for 48 hours, so as long as he doesnt have one over night it will be over two days  ;D

Keeping everything crossed that he doesn't have another one.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 15, 2009, 19:20:51 PM
can he not have a mild sedative for the journey home?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 19:42:22 PM
Afraid not trigger cos cats tend to fight against them when travelling.

However just had a call from Emma and Franta is still Ok and getting a bit more vocal but he hasnt trashed his cage yet, she said  :rofl:

She syas that he will probably be better to come home tomorrow but think they are just moving him downstairs to stop him being upset by tomorrows business.

They have already changed his ab jab to the morning and I will be talking to his new vet Gareth tomorrow and he apparently has just become a partner. Emma said he is very good with cats and kind and gentle.

The idea is I ring tomorrow and speak to him if he is free and if not to arrange an appointment to see him around midday. Emma is seeing him tonight and has said that she can see no reason for me not to be able to give him an ab jab but they will go throught that and teach me when I go there and that will save the stress of Franta having to travel.

She thinks he will be on abs for another week and then depending how he is and whether it seems to be necessary he maybe referred for an MRI. I have the feeling that she has discussed this with Gareth.

She does realize how long my journey is  thank goodness.

I dont want to be too optimistic cos as someone said I am very supersticious but I am seriously hoping my lil blue -eyed man will be home tomorrow and not have to travel again for a week , if I can manage the jabs.

Emma thinks he will relax more at home with me........she doesnt know the other 3 cats  :shify: :shify:

She said if his condition changes overnight she will ring me.

I dont want to think about possible MRI scan at the moment cos that will mean they dont think he is better.

I would so love to do some dancing bananas but need to get him home first
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 15, 2009, 19:44:22 PM
Fingers crossed that he is fine overnight and this is the end of the fits, and you can bring him home - he might be fine on the journey this time. it is a shame none of us are close enough to come with you, so there is someone else in the car.
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 15, 2009, 19:50:33 PM

 Emma is seeing him tonight and has said that she can see no reason for me not to be able to give him an ab jab but they will go throught that and teach me when I go there and that will save the stress of Franta having to travel.


Thats very positive - it shows they have Franta's best interests at heart and are willing to do what it takes to try to make things easier for him.  I agree with Desley - such a pity there's nobody near enough to come with you when you pick him up but we'll be doing the next best thing - sending mega loads of positive vibes  :hug:
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Post by: psychopunk on February 15, 2009, 19:51:30 PM
Please get well Franta! I'm thinking of you both,  sending positive vibes!! And have to say, you are such a great cat owner Gill!! I hope he can come back home to you really soon!  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 15, 2009, 20:04:20 PM
What a nightmare!! I can't believe the palava with the vets - surely Franta is the most important thing not their location politics!! Heres hoping Franta has a good night and can get back home where he belongs. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 15, 2009, 20:14:24 PM
I really hope that Franta remains fit free and that he can come home, but I think he is best where is he for now because of the stress of travelling back and forth.  What a shame you've had to transfer him over to the new vet because of the emergency vet situation with the other vets, even though you're happy with the other vet.  That sort of thing makes me really mad.  I understand why they dont' want to treat patients belonging to other practices, but the health of our cats is the most important thing.  And if that means a cat has to go to a different emergency vet then that's what should happen and it shouldn't be made this difficult for you.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 20:37:02 PM
That sounds pretty good news.  Hope he stays well overnight.  I am wondering if it was a middle ear infection and that is why the abs have worked.  Surely if there was something sinister going on his brain abs wouldn't have dealt with it?  Fingers crossed anyway  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 15, 2009, 20:47:49 PM
I also meant to say that one of the bosses at work had to go home early on friday because her 1 yr old son was unwell.  Apparently he was crying a lot and kept rubbing his ear.  He was also dribbling quite a bit but was not teething.  It seems likely that he had an ear problem and that the dribbling was related to that.
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Post by: maryas on February 15, 2009, 21:34:27 PM
Gill those dancing bananas will be all over this bloody post as soon as we get the nod from you.  :hug: :hug:

M & B Xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 15, 2009, 22:25:49 PM
it does sound as though the a.bs are working, which they may not be doing if it was something more sinister in his brain Gill. I am keeping everything crossed for you and Franta and also hoping that you get some rest and sleep tonight.  :hug:
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Post by: Stuart on February 15, 2009, 22:42:44 PM
We're keeping everything crossed for Franta
and topping up the healing vibes
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Stuart n Misty
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2009, 22:56:57 PM
Thank you one and all and also to all those who have sent me pms.....you are an outstanding bunch of peeps  :hug: :hug:

I dont think I will be on again till after going to the vets tomorrow but will update you once I get back hopefully with Franta Napoleon  ;D
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Post by: Sheli_80 on February 16, 2009, 00:54:10 AM
Fingers crossed it all goes well tomorrow and you get your boy back.  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 16, 2009, 01:42:53 AM
 :wish: :grouphug: :care:
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Post by: bunglycat on February 16, 2009, 02:54:59 AM
Hope everything goes okay tomorrow and you both get home safely without any problems and he continues to get better.
You wont see this thread tomorrow for dancing bananas hopefully !
Still topping up healing vibes for him tonight and tomorrow and safe journey there and back . :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 16, 2009, 07:15:47 AM
Gill,  :hug: :hug:   

Keeping everything crossed that today you'll be able to bring your beautiful blue eyed lad home where he belongs. 

The situation at the vet's sounds much more promising, and I'm glad at least they're beginning to take on board your concerns and understand the problems you've been facing with emergency cover, travel etc.   Sending out tons ofpositive vibes your way.

And Misa, Sasa, Ducha?  Be nice to your brother when he gets home!  :shify:
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Post by: Mark on February 16, 2009, 07:21:57 AM
Good luck for tomorrow Gill and  :ahh: for Franta
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 16, 2009, 08:32:27 AM
Thought I'd add a few more vibes of the very positive sort.

Hope our lad had another fit free night and you can move on to the stage of settling him back at home.  Have a think about how you want him to behave in carrier so that, when he starts his usual healthy shouting, you are ready for it.  So very much hope all goes well Gill  :hug:

oh and meant to say, on the young v older vet comment a while back, I think both have their uses. 
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Post by: sheryl on February 16, 2009, 09:10:05 AM
I couldnt get online at home all weekend but you and Franta were in my thoughts - more love, huggles and positive vibes  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:

Fingers, toes and everything else crossed that the beautiful boy can come home today  xxx
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Post by: MrsR on February 16, 2009, 10:06:48 AM
Sending hugs sweetie to you both x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 16, 2009, 10:13:58 AM
Really hope Franta had a good night and can come home today.  Safe journey  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 16, 2009, 11:10:12 AM
hope when you read this that you and Franta are home, safe and sound and all is well  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 13:17:55 PM
We are back at home  and have to admit I was a little scared in the car  :shify:

When I rang the vets I spoke to Gareth and ge said that Franta was shouting and meowing for attention, and i said thats good cos its more normal and he said thats a relief cos they didnt know if that was a sign of a problem............sigh

Went to collect him and have been back about an hour and he ihas been wandering around and mwoeing and we have had a tummy stroking session. all cats have investigated cept Misa who was still asleep,

However just logged on here and went to look for Franta and I could not find hom anywhere! I had searched the house and garden and was back searching the house..............1 2 3 stay calm , deep breathe all rooms searched for a second time except bedroom ans couldnt see him, one last possibility I have a curtain over some shelves abd earlier Ducha was there cos he saw the cage and was hiding! Ducha was now on the radiator bed and yes there was Franta curled up on a cushion behind the curtain in the dark.........phewwwwwwwww

I think its all a bit much for him at the moemnt and he has checked out every room a number of times , done some head rubbing and stuff , had something to eat..............he is just making sure everything is as it was before he left and remembering things I think.

He has not had any more attacks and Gareth is pleased with him and I have seven syringes of Marbocyl sitting in the fridge, hope I am able to give them too him......I was surprised how tough thhis skin is but Garath has said that they have put on finer needles and they should go in easier. If I shoot one lot out across is fur I will need to go and get some more......its scary.

So its hoped that if I can do his jabs and he is still Ok on Friday then he will go back to see Gareth on Monday and we take it from there.

Gareth has confirmed that if I needed that terrible home vist they would come.

I dont want dancing bananas yet just one of these  ;D cos I think Franta is quite stressed by everything at the moment but he jumped up on the desk twice and is bouncing more when he walks than he was on Saturday.

I do hope that he will be OK.
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Post by: clarenmax on February 16, 2009, 13:24:14 PM
Awww, glad he's back home with you, and hopefully there will be no further episodes, and he'll be more relaxed now he's back  :hug:
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Post by: Liz on February 16, 2009, 13:25:44 PM
Gill so glad he is home and just checking his home is the same

Re the injections - I once shot my self with the antibiotic when finger got in the way - have had no issues since though!  The injections are a lot easier and we have a couple whoses hides are in the vets words damn tough

Good luck and lots of positive thoughts from our mob to yours :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 16, 2009, 13:29:18 PM
awww. glad Franta is home and things are going well  :)
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 16, 2009, 13:29:47 PM
Pheeww -  so far so good.  Topping up with lots more positive vibes.  He is obviously MUCH better than he was so well done Franta and well done you  :hug:  Do your deep breating before you tackle the injection and you'll be fine - its amazing what you can do when you have to.  I have great faith in the Marbocyl - as I've already said it worked wonders for Korky.

You must have been posting just as I switched my machine on because the title of the thread said 'is home' but your post hadn't appeared so I've been hanging around waiting  :) - well worth the wait   :)
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Post by: bunglycat on February 16, 2009, 13:34:12 PM
Really pleased Franta is back home where he belongs and is getting better ;D
Hope he improves each day till he is back to normal .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Dawn F on February 16, 2009, 13:36:39 PM
haven't managed to keep up with all the goings on Gill but glad he is home and hope he feels better soon
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Post by: Skiddaw on February 16, 2009, 13:37:23 PM
Very glad to hear he's home and hope he continues to improve.
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Post by: Stuart on February 16, 2009, 13:43:43 PM
I'm so Glad that Franta is Home with you and He's feeling Better
Bet Frantas glad to be in familiar surroundings too  ;D

and adding more of these  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 13:56:01 PM
Thank you all........I am just going up to check on him now..............he probaly thinks whats she keep watchin me for but I just need to know he is Ok  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 16, 2009, 13:59:16 PM
So pleased he is home and sounds like he's on the mend  :hug:  Its surprising about their tough skins isnt it? I found that with Suzie when I did my first jab. You expect it to be really fragile. I'm sure you'll do fine Gill.  :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on February 16, 2009, 14:00:19 PM
I think I'd prefer a jab to a pill with my lot!
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 14:02:00 PM
That was the thing Dawn , I cant tablet him so this is the only option but if I can do it, it will make any other ab treatment easier cos I would be able to jab him and the others too.......well cept Sasa!
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Post by: Dawn F on February 16, 2009, 14:03:43 PM
with Star and her mouth problems at Christmas jabs were the only way, we definately hurt her when pilling her and even made her mouth bleed trying to stop her spitting it out, the jab was bliss!
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 16, 2009, 14:14:02 PM
I'm sure you'll be fine with the jabs Gill.  Mind you, if he is still eating well instead of being his previous picky self, you might find that you can give him the tablets in his food.  Korky was on quite a high dose (15 mg once daily - he's a big cat) so I cut the 20 mg tablet up with a razor blade and put half a tablet into a small piece of Pate de Campagne (we were in France  :) ) and a quarter tablet into another small piece.  They went down without touching the sides and he looked forward to tablet time.   That said, he is famous for hoovering his food - I'd never have got away with it with Tiny who chewed or licked every mouthful into submission.  Just a thought.
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Post by: Leanne on February 16, 2009, 14:22:01 PM
IU'm glad to hear Franta is home  :hug:
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Post by: madkittyrescue on February 16, 2009, 14:28:11 PM
Gill thats fantastic news that Franta is home and so pleased to hear he is doing much much better.

You take care of yourself too hun as you are no good to Franta if you are ill yourself :hug:  :hug:

Fingers and paws all crossed that Franta continues to improve more and more each day!  :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 16, 2009, 15:28:39 PM
I am really really happy to hear that Franta is back home and has had no more attacks.  Fingers crossed he continues to improve.  Best of luck with the injections  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: ChrisB on February 16, 2009, 15:50:49 PM
Gill, so pleased for you and Franta that he is home and is a lot more like his usual self.   I've never given injections but would imagine once you've done the first couple you will feel much more confident  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on February 16, 2009, 16:17:41 PM
Glaf to hear Franta is home with his mum. By the sounds of it, once he has calmed down, he will be a lot better  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 16:18:23 PM
He has been asleep now for about 3 hours and still behind the curtain in the dark...............maybe he is just chilling and pleased to be back in the quiet of his house.....I hope so
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 16, 2009, 16:25:50 PM
If he was wondering around the house Gill, you'd be worried he couldn't settle.  I'm sure our little fella is exhausted and catching up on some much needed and well deserved rest (like his Ma should be - nag, nag, nag  :hug: )
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 16:26:00 PM
Not a wonderful pic cos didnt want to use the flash and also getting annoying little lines of interference  but here is Franta about 30 mins after he came home  ;D
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 16, 2009, 16:28:03 PM
Gorgeous gorgeous darling boy. Thank you so much gill. Got me all tearful  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Post by: LeighK on February 16, 2009, 16:35:37 PM
Fantastic news Gill, I so happy for you and Franta, what a handsome fella!.

 :hug: :hug:

Leigh
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 16:37:25 PM
Yes and if his eyes had come out blue , even better  :Luv2:
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Post by: bonnielass on February 16, 2009, 16:40:17 PM
Im so happy to hear Franta is home with you again and positive vibes that he continues to get better as im sure he will now hes home with you  :Luv: and as everyone says just take a few deep breathes before you do the injection and im sure you will be fine.Its surprising what we can do when we know we have to. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 16, 2009, 16:42:24 PM
Nowe thats the best thing I've seen all day - he sounds so much better and if he is anythnig like Beavis he has staked out his house and is now having a damn good sulk after his ordeal. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on February 16, 2009, 16:43:53 PM
I couldn't make his eyes blue but at least he has eyes now  :Luv2:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 16, 2009, 16:45:21 PM
awww, bless that Franta  :Luv:
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 16, 2009, 16:47:18 PM
Im so very, very pleased that Franta is home.  Positive vibes for all staying well are coming your way! :briggin: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: tigerbaby on February 16, 2009, 16:47:53 PM
Franta is gorgeous and here's to his speedy recovery  :Luv:
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Post by: maryas on February 16, 2009, 16:48:05 PM
Just back from the doctor etc. with my mum Gill, good news with her and looks like it's good news with Old Mr Blue Eyes.

No more fits is brill.  Good luck wth the injections.

OK no bananas yet but can I give you both these?

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

No wonder he's asleep he's as knackered as you are.  :rofl: :Luv2: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 16, 2009, 16:51:36 PM
Great news that he's home  ;D  Good luck with the injections.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 16:54:42 PM
Thanks Mark,,,,,I had already sharpened iy but thats much better  ;D
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Post by: MrsR on February 16, 2009, 17:21:32 PM
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww Franta  :Luv:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on February 16, 2009, 17:24:03 PM
 :welcome: home Franta  :) So pleased he seems to have turned a corner  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 17:26:44 PM
If you wonder why he is staring.....this is the reason  :rofl: :rofl:

Sory I must have been shaking so its blurred !
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Post by: maryas on February 16, 2009, 17:27:53 PM
Turned a corner... he's gonna be running down the motorway in a bit with all our get well vibes etc.  :Luv2:

He's staring cos he can't believe you are taking photos as soon as he's home Gill  :rofl: :Luv2:

Mary  and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 17:32:38 PM
He had  some posh nosh and I have another pic where he looked up and saw Sasa and then he turned round and she is still wtchin him. so he left LOL
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Post by: pappilon on February 16, 2009, 18:09:19 PM
 So happy Franta is home, i wish him a peaceful night. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Millys Mum on February 16, 2009, 18:37:58 PM
So pleased hes home Gill  ;D
Each jab gets easier, you'll soon be a smooth operator
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 16, 2009, 18:45:27 PM
just come home and seen this. I am so happy that your boy is home where he belongs and resting (and you too I hope, resting) and hopefully no more problems. He is just lovely  :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 16, 2009, 18:50:17 PM
What a relief that Franta is back home.  Now you just have to keep really calm when you give the first injection on your own - after that it's easy, I'm assured.  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 20:44:56 PM
I am trying not to worry and Franta has not had an attack or anything but he definately isnt right. Seems confused and is Ok going upstairs and has jumped on the desk but is not happy coming down stairs or jumping down.

He can definately see cos followed my finger right to left and reverses and also up an down.

He had to be persuadeed to come out of his hiding place where he was not a sleep and after eating has gone back and meows if I disturb him.

I dont know what happened up there but Ducha came down to get me and rushed back upstairs and stayed outside the bedroom but no problem with Franta that I can see, except he is hiding in the dark.

He hasnt used a tray since being home , hasnt been near one.
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Post by: Sheli_80 on February 16, 2009, 20:57:51 PM
I am so happy to hear Franta is home, hopefully he picks up a bit once he is used to being home. Love the pics, they are so cuddlesome  :Luv:
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Post by: Kirst on February 16, 2009, 21:18:59 PM
Aww Gill , he's probably all poope out and wants some rest and recuperation. :hug:
I know it's hard but try not to worry and let him hide if he wants to..........................I'm sure he will be back to a more normal Franta soon. :Luv2:
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Post by: Reynard on February 16, 2009, 21:29:00 PM
Wahey, I'm thrilled Mr Frantaman is home.  ;D

Can't blame the man for holing up and catching up on his sleeps. Wouldn't worry too much about his stair-negotiating skills yet Gilly, poor fella is probably still a little shakey.

Rest and good food is what he needs now. And lots of good vibes from everyone chez Casa Witty!  :hug:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 16, 2009, 21:42:15 PM
I am trying not to worry and Franta has not had an attack or anything but he definately isnt right. Seems confused and is Ok going upstairs and has jumped on the desk but is not happy coming down stairs or jumping down.....


Impossible I know but do try not to worry too much.  When Korky had his 'do' last year it was a good 2-3 weeks before he was back to normal.  In the frist week he had some bad days and some not so bad days, the next week he has some good and some not so good days and...well, you get the picture.  It took time but after about a month he was better than he had been for ages and he's stayed that way ( despite his kidney problems). :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 16, 2009, 22:34:23 PM
SO lovely to see the pic of Franta back home.  He is probably all at sixes and sevens as he has really been through the mill.  Try not to be like me and get all anxious all the time.   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 16, 2009, 22:48:21 PM
give him time Gill, he's just been through a horrible time and is only just home. The drugs may be making him feel a bit grot too as they sound pretty strong. I'd say make a note of all the things that he is or isn't doing and run it by the vets. It also helps to write things down for you I mean. I imagine it will take a while for him to feel quite a bit better. Try not to worry too much  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 22:49:49 PM
Thanks all.........I am a bit worried though and hope its for no reason.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 16, 2009, 23:48:19 PM
you were afraid yesterday he might never come home again, Gill - or that you might have to do a late night dash to Bristol -  so there is no doubt the situation is much improved, even if it hasn't yet got back to normal

I really don't think you should draw any conclusions about Franta's long term state until his current course of meds is finished - he is not himself because he is drugged up at the moment

have some patience, woman, and get some rest :hug: :hug:

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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2009, 23:59:58 PM
Rest lol whats that!

Have just been up to see him and its sorta cute but dont understand cos he is lying behind his curtain on the floor and if I open it he meows. So I shut it again and he is quiet. He is not asleep but obviously aware of what he is doing and just doesnt want to be disturbed

His bro Ducha however is lying outside on the landing and that I really dont understand. He always lies on the bed and waits for me to go to bed but for some reason he doesnt want to be in there..........just wondering if I am missing something.

Franta has not had much food since he came home. Someone has used the tray in the kitchen but unless he sneaked down stairs I dont know who it is....maybe Ducha?

I was watching Whitechapel and bloomin fell asleep and missed the end grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 17, 2009, 00:03:07 AM
do you think he might be light-sensitive at all?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 17, 2009, 00:05:50 AM
Yes and this time because I was thinking about that , I had the light turned right down cos there is a dimmer switch.

Because the birmans have blue eyes I feel that both of them are and maybe Franta more at the moment......wondered if he had a headache cos I dont know how he has been drinking...he has had a drink when he came home.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 17, 2009, 00:25:58 AM
I reckon he knows better than you at the moment what he needs, and that seems to be peace and quiet and darkness - the usual remedy for getting over a trauma

and the injections will probably be making him dopey

all much better for him that those frantic attacks he was having - I know you will be getting up every hour all night to check on him - cos I know I would -  but it seems to me that things are going well at the moment - you can easily syringe some water into him in the morning if necessary, and speak to Rachel for reassurance

(Trigger only ever poos every other day, except if he  is put in a car - then he poos for the whole of Russia) :sick:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 17, 2009, 00:28:55 AM
I think I must have forgotten or missed it but is Trigger a Russsian Blue? Are there pics on another thread?
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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 17, 2009, 00:42:14 AM
he's here, along with the ginger lump, otherwise known as Tiffany http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php/topic,22136.0.html
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Post by: pappilon on February 17, 2009, 01:02:09 AM
Gill, it may be that Ducha feels Franta needs to be aloane in the room and is staying close by to watch him, they do communicate and know when one is not %100. I remember when Boy started being very sick in 2007 for the first time ever in 7 years i found him on my bed and what was strange is Phoebe was staying and sleeping in my bed at that time,  but during that period when he was poorly she never attacked him or went for him !
I think Franta needs some time to himself , also he might think if he stays there he is safe and wont go back to the vets, i know it sounds odd, but i am sure once he feels safe and ready he will be out and on your lap :) Try to get some rest  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 17, 2009, 01:12:41 AM
thanks pav and franta is on the desk lying against my arm at mo.

he doest want me to type so gonna leave.

love trigger and tiffanny
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 17, 2009, 01:43:36 AM
Awwww! So glad he's back home with his meowmy and furry family...... :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 17, 2009, 07:13:39 AM
Morning Gill.  How are things this morning?  I was thinking much the same as Pav - Franta will be doing what makes him feel "safe" right now, and he needs time to adjust to what's been going on.  It's been a huge upheaval for him - he wasn't feeling well, then he ends up having to go in the car and then - worse still - to the vet! -where, OhmyGod - he gets left!  Away from his Mum and his family.

And I was wondering the same about Ducha - I suspect he's keeping a watchful eye on Franta without wanting Franta to feel uncomfortable or threatened in his present vulnerable state.   :hug:

I agree, cats have an amazing capacity for communication, verbal and non verbal.  Hoping you've managed to get some sleep too, missus.  You need to rest.  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on February 17, 2009, 09:32:36 AM
Gill, Franta is a handsome boy  :Luv: :Luv:

I too agree maybe his just taking take out in his own way. When Jess came home after 3 nights at the vets he spent hours under our bed next to the radiator no one could get near him, and he certainly wasn't coming out for food or the litter tray.

How is Franta doing this morning?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 17, 2009, 09:35:45 AM
Morning Gill. Hope Frant and you had a quiet restful night and hope he is feeling good this morning.  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 17, 2009, 10:14:02 AM
Franta is Ok this morning I think but havent had much more than 4 hrs sleep which is way not enough.

He is very clingy except when in his hiding place and just wants to lie some where with me and be stroked and when he cant see me he shouts and shouts.

Consequently it took forever to get to bed and he came up stairs and had made him three beds in the bedroom but eventually he just lay on the fllor and then moved to his hiding place.

Woke me up around 6 shouting......so not close to 4 hours sleep.............eventually he must have gone back to sleep again but was shouting again at 8.............each time I rushed out of bed to see if he is OK!  Gave hime some food but he not eating that much really and he has had a drink. He watered a tray last night but that took for ever with him playing with the litter and picking his spot then changing his mind, picking a new spot and then kicking the litter around...........sigh

One good thing is that when he came down stairs this morning he did it at 100 mph just like he used to.

I agree with Pav, Sue and Leanne and think its taking time for him to adjust to being home again and so much has happened to him over the last few days.....to the vets on Wed and home, back on Thursday and home, back on Fri and left and then tried for home and then to a new vets, taken from that vets on Sat to normal vets and left. Vet transported him to new vets and left him. Stayed there to Monday although I visited him and left him again on Sun and then on Monday I brought him home.

Thats a lot of stuff for him and he was put under a couple of times too to be properly examined and bloods taken, with drips and the dreaded bandage on is leg, also of course from Wed night through to Friday night he was having seizures.

It would have been so much better if he could have stayed in one place all that time from Wed night  and have to remember that all the journeys I did from home and back where around 50 miles half on motorways.

Looking back at all of that no wonder he is a bit confused and having problems settling.

I have dont the injection but have put a question on here for those who have given injections...its a really stupid question but just need someone to tell me it was OK!
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Post by: Jasmine on February 17, 2009, 13:10:39 PM
Think it's remarkable that he's back home with you Gill - hope he settles soon and you get some more sleep!
 :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 17, 2009, 13:14:33 PM
he is having a little drink at moment but he has become even more possesive than before lool........didnt think that was possible but its me me me me me now and I must be touching you and if I cant see you I am gonna shout at top of my voice.

Oh boy he has just walked to the door shouting
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 17, 2009, 13:26:40 PM

 Gave hime some food but he not eating that much really ...


Thats pretty normal for Franta isn't it?  He sounds to me like he's on the mend and well done you for giving him his jab  :pat:
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Post by: Kirst on February 17, 2009, 13:34:39 PM
It certainly sounds like he is on the mend - now would you like some earplugs???? ;) :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on February 17, 2009, 13:47:46 PM
Glad to hear he's in good voice again Gill  :Luv2:

Hope he lets you get a bit more sleep today though  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 17, 2009, 15:24:56 PM
Bet you are glad to hear him shouting though!
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Post by: Liz on February 17, 2009, 16:03:01 PM
Gill he is just getting his own back for you making him stay at the vets!

Sounds promising it will take time to settle and I'm sure he will play a blinder and expect you to be on hand 24/7 and that sleep should be had when he is ready to let you.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 17, 2009, 16:28:46 PM
Liz you are right he is playing a blinder  :rofl: :rofl:

I have only just woken up after flaking out on the bed, he wouldnt let me sleep on the sofa.

He managages 3 meows a minute........what am I saying that should read second!!............ at the top of his voice and when I popped out for about 15 mins a could hear him as I opened the door.

Must admit when he starts shouting the first thing I think of .......is oh no he is having an attack but its his normal meow meow meow shouting.
Had checked him before I left and he was in his hiding place.

Part is that he seeems to be scared when he cant see me and I guess he had shouted and I didnt rush to his side so he came looking and I wasnt there. Also he likes to be touching me and with preferably both hands on him, none on the keyboard and looking at him with undivided attention!!

Yes he has his full voice back and its amazing how quickly I have thought oh nooooooooooooooo, quiet Franta and I mustnt cos this is good and having him home is amazing.

To see his little legs rush down the stairs or for him to race me to the top is wonderful  but I wish he would eat more than jelly cos we are fast getting there again and he is currently anaemic . presumably because of his terrible lack of eating over the last few months.



Overall he seems to be doing well and today he has improved again so just one of these for him today  ;D   :yayyy:
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Post by: maryas on February 17, 2009, 16:31:37 PM
I spy a dancing banana - Yippppppppeeeeeee

Mary and Bonnie xxx
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Post by: Janeyk on February 17, 2009, 17:49:28 PM
Everso pleased  ;D well done Franta  :Luv2:
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Post by: Zenith (Liz) on February 17, 2009, 17:54:49 PM
Brilliant that he's feeling better - If he's well enough to deafen you with miaows then he's hopefully on the mend!  ;D
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 17, 2009, 18:29:32 PM
 :shify:   Erm Franta, me bloo eyed frend - nom nom nom - you gots ter eet.   :hug: Gots ter keep yer strengf up, yup?  :shify:

Paddy  xxxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 17, 2009, 18:31:42 PM
Just checked on him and he is still asleep  :shify:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 17, 2009, 18:49:37 PM
Sounds like he is doing well Gill probably just feeling a bit insecure  :hug:
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Post by: James on February 17, 2009, 20:24:52 PM
So pleased he's back home, and more like his old self - like many I imagine, I have been following this thread all the way!! :Luv:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 17, 2009, 20:26:32 PM
 :thanks: james
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 18, 2009, 06:57:39 AM
Morning Gill,  Just checking on the Fabulous Frantaman today.  Am so pleased to hear he's been giving your ears a bashing - I know it's a bit of a strain, but I know how much you missed that when he wasn't there.   :hug: :hug:  As I say to Pad, even big boys need their Mammys sometimes, y'know.  ;) :hug: :hug:  Hope he keeps on improving, and that the AB's injections get easier for you.   :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 18, 2009, 08:12:00 AM
Hiya Hope Franta had a good night and is continuing to improve and shout at you  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 18, 2009, 08:48:55 AM
Morning!!! I hope both Franta and you got some quality sleepies , an Frantas voice is well rested ready for another yelling today! ;) :hug:
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Post by: madkittyrescue on February 18, 2009, 09:58:33 AM
keep checking in on this thread when I get a chance Gill and am so thrilled for you and Franta that he is home and seems to be doing so well.

Long long may it continue and hope that he is back to his old self and you can rest a bit easier :hug:  :hug: for you and the gorgeous lovely Franta :luv2:  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 18, 2009, 12:12:41 PM
Sleep grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, he woke me up twice or was it three times in the night and the first was bad for me cos I reckon he had been shouting for a while and I was so totally zonked I had probs getting up.

He seems to want food about every 3 hrs even if there is food already out, he wants new and something different!

We had a long period last night where he stayed in his hiding place and wish that had been during the night.

We have had two lots of food this morning and abs injection, was harder today cos he was on the bed and had to get him out from his hiding place cos its too darkl there.

I went up to see him a while ago and he was not asleep just lying there and like yesterdau he meows when you open his little curtain so shut it quick  ;D But then he came out and came downstairs meowing and thats when he got the second lot of food. He went to the cat flap and decided no that was not for him and is now back upstairs hiding.

I wanted to go out and get cat litter but have lost the window and the shop will be closed so all being well will go this afternoon.

He hasnt changed since yesterday and seems to have lost his condifdence,,,,,,not surprising.......but its almost like he is having a problem making little decisions for himself.

He has just been hissed at big time by Misa and dont know what brought that on cos they had been getting on quite well since Franta came home.

Anyway keeping fingers crossed that things are going well still.

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Post by: maryas on February 18, 2009, 13:22:00 PM
He's being a little *ugger BUT I love him.  :Luv2: :naughty: :rofl: :Luv2:

Misa knows he's getting better, so no sympathy now  :rofl: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Kirst on February 18, 2009, 13:40:13 PM
Bless him I suspect he is milking it for all he;s worth , and Misa knows it! :evillaugh:

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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 18, 2009, 13:45:18 PM
How's Ducha been with him today, Gill?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 18, 2009, 16:14:07 PM
Ducha will have nothing to do with him sadly and I think yesterday Franta wanted to be friends with Ducha  :(

Today I am hoping I havent committed a terrible mistake cos its been lovely outside and after one of Frantas shouting spells I opened the back door to see if he would go out. We have walked up and down the garden slowly twice, he has been in the greenhouse till banging on the door to be let out. He has followed Sasas scent all over the garden and here is the prob.................has found the place where Sasa was leaning over the wall cos there is no dog any more grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

This is a huge worry  and after coming indoors he nipped out the cat flap again and we went for another walk and we stayed out until he decided to come in. I made him come back in thro the flap.....well I held it open for him cos I wanted to be sure he remembered that he can come in that way.

Its the furthest he has walked for a long time cos of the snow and then being ill and hope that on one side it has helped him cos he loved how everything smelt and now he has a reason to snooze cos he has had some activity.

I left him lying on my bed after he had eaten, hungry work walking the garden  ;D

so I think another of these is appropriate  :yayyy:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 18, 2009, 16:23:21 PM
Sounds like he's doing really well Gill when you think how bad he was last week  :cheer:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 18, 2009, 16:28:17 PM
Yes Carol you are right cos it alll started this time last week and the awful seizures and we are quite a way from there now....he just needs to get his little confidence back  ;D
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Post by: clarenmax on February 18, 2009, 16:29:40 PM
So pleased Gill, it sounds like he's doing brilliantly well  :hug:  :)
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Post by: maryas on February 18, 2009, 16:51:40 PM
Aw Franta, you little explorer you.  That's brill Gill and here's a  :yayyy: from me and Bonnie xx
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Post by: bonnielass on February 18, 2009, 17:10:43 PM
Im really glad to hear that things are going well with Franta and hope they continue to improve,as for the yowling  and lack of confidence i think its just a matter of time before he regains that, once he knows that hes notgoing anywhere he will soon come round, he just needs his miaowmy to reassure him that hes home :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 18, 2009, 18:39:21 PM
Just had a lovely call from Rachel, Frantas ex vet, to see how he is doing ands also to tell me she is sending some blood results through St Js for him and he is only borderline anaemic and not got a thyroid problem.

I think that is so kind of her.
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 18, 2009, 20:03:37 PM
Brilliant!  Rachel seemed like a lovely, caring person from your previous posts.  Delighted that the news continues to be so positive  :)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 18, 2009, 20:06:52 PM
Yes and she always calls him Mr Man and thinks thats lovely.  ;D
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 18, 2009, 20:11:10 PM
I had a favourite vet I used for years with the foster cats and mine.  Then he moved from that practice and opened his own - so Im afraid I followed him - but I did feel guilty leaving the original practice as they were lovely people, too.   :)
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 18, 2009, 21:17:35 PM
Sounds like he's doing great  ;D  He's probably still feeling under the weather, not to mention confused and  :censored: off with things, but no more fits is great and it sounds like he's slowly getting back to his old self.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 18, 2009, 21:28:34 PM
 :yayyy: WTG Franta
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 19, 2009, 07:00:48 AM
Morning Gill.  Just popping by to give a gentle hug for Franta, and hoping you managed to catch up a bit more on lost sleep.   :hug: :hug:

That was lovely of Rachel - restores your faith a bit, doesn't it?  Good to know she's still looking out for our favourite lil blue eyes.  :)
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 19, 2009, 07:56:47 AM
i am glad he is doing so well, and pottering about outside, and glad there was some good news from Rachel.
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Post by: Janeyk on February 19, 2009, 07:59:04 AM
Pleased Franta is doing well and that the results are good  :)
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Post by: clarenmax on February 19, 2009, 09:05:55 AM
Yes and she always calls him Mr Man and thinks thats lovely.  ;D

That is lovely, sometimes its personal touches like this which make all the difference.
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Post by: Tan on February 19, 2009, 10:46:19 AM
 ;D glad he's better hun  :hug: :hug:  Gice him a cuggle from the lads and me  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 19, 2009, 13:02:15 PM
Well 3c days into the injections, so only 4 more to go  ;D

Franta still seems to be Ok and also seems to ne getting a little more cheeky although still prefers his dark little hidey hole behind the curtain.

Went to bed later last night and fed him before and only got woken up once, but made a right mess with the bloomin food.

I had taken two pouches and two dishes up and one lot was used when I went to bed which wasnt planned and then after being woke up puit half a pouch in a dish and tried to put it on the flooron his mat and it slipped somehow and fell.............oh yes it managed to flip right over and deposit all the contents on the mat and then just lay itself on top upside down covering them...........sigh. Do I need this at 0330 !

Before that Franta had come and lay on the bed against me and dozed off which was lovely till Ducha popped up on the otherside........getting a bit warm and rather cramped, then I coughed and both of them flew off the bed to save their lives, cos they dont like me coughing!

Franta came downstairs all by himself this morning for some food...........more food, rather than sitting on the stairs shouting for it.

The weather WAS quite nice and thought if I went outside where Misa and Sasa were he may follow but not.

I think yesterdays stroll in the garden made him very tired.

Another one od these is called for I think  :yayyy:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 19, 2009, 13:08:19 PM

Franta still seems to be Ok and also seems to ne getting a little more cheeky although still prefers his dark little hidey hole behind the curtain.....


Korky spent quite a bit of time under the bed when he was recovering so I wouldn't worry about that.  Glad he is continuing to improve :yayyy:
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Post by: maryas on February 19, 2009, 14:33:21 PM
I'm so excited I want a page full of them but for now -  :yayyy: :clap:

M & B xx
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Post by: Liz on February 19, 2009, 14:56:40 PM
Gill nice to know that Franta is getting better

Sorry about your 3.30am food fight sorry I have now have a very vivid image! :rofl:

Please take something for the cough imagine disturbing the boys when they were sleeping!!!! :shocked:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 19, 2009, 14:59:05 PM
It was one little cough !  They dont like coughing and can only think its linked to when they were living with dogs and they think its a dog, which they hate.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Liz on February 19, 2009, 15:01:35 PM
Gill thats all it takes!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: madkittyrescue on February 19, 2009, 15:26:34 PM
great news to hear that Franta is doing so much better Gill!   :hug:   good stuff Franta!!  and hopefully more rest for mummy!!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Leanne on February 19, 2009, 16:01:16 PM
I'm trilled to hear that Franta is improving  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 19, 2009, 18:30:55 PM
 :evillaugh:  Am pleased he's getting cheeky again.   :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: LeighK on February 19, 2009, 18:40:30 PM
Super news Gill, 

Group  :hug: :hug: :hug: all round  ;D

Cheers

Leigh
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Post by: Stuart on February 19, 2009, 18:56:01 PM
SOOOooo Chuffed that Mr Franta Is doing so well  :yayyy:  ;D
give him a kiss n cuddle from Me n Misty  :care:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 19, 2009, 19:01:23 PM
I dont know if we are suddenly going backwards but tonight he is very quiet and has been most of the day. He feels like he has lost weight and he is not very interested in food.

has been on my lap for ages and is now cat napping on the desk being stroked.

I thought his little head was trembling earlier and do hope this is not a down turn.

I watching him like a hawk and if worried any more will ring the vet.

usuaalyy the noisier and more active and cheeky he is the batter he is.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 19, 2009, 19:28:13 PM
I dont know if we are suddenly going backwards but tonight he is very quiet and has been most of the day.

I hope he's ok Gill  :hug: perhaps it just that he's more settled now?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on February 19, 2009, 19:35:54 PM
I dont know if we are suddenly going backwards but tonight he is very quiet and has been most of the day.

I hope he's ok Gill  :hug: perhaps it just that he's more settled now?

yes, maybe a mixture of just feeling he can relax now and probably tired after all the recent turmoil  :hug:
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 19, 2009, 19:37:40 PM
I dont know if we are suddenly going backwards but tonight he is very quiet and has been most of the day.

I hope he's ok Gill  :hug: perhaps it just that he's more settled now?

yes, maybe a mixture of just feeling he can relax now and probably tired after all the recent turmoil  :hug:

I think you two have summed up what I was trying to put into words  :)   :hug: :hug: :hug: For you and Franta and hope all stays OK
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 19, 2009, 19:38:50 PM
It might just all be catching up with him.  Coming home was what he wanted and he was excited about it and making the most of it but now he's exhausted.  You're right to keep a close eye on him of course but do try not to worry too much - you must be pretty exhausted yourself and probably just want a quiet day or two so you can sympathise with how he feels :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 19, 2009, 19:48:32 PM
Yes I do think he is very tired and thetrip around the garden yesterday also shattered him but he loved it.

He has just meowed and eaten some jelly and looked like he was heading back to his hiding place.

However out of 4 cats he was the only one who either smelt or heard a little black visitor, I didnt either but Franta  went timidly too investigate......well he followed me and someone went out of the cat flap before we had rounded the study door. It was the little black cat cos saw him walking up the garden......have feeeling cos of where Franta was sniffing he has been on the blanket under the radiator in the utility room.

Yes I am shattered too and so restless, this afternoon just couldnt do anything but couldnt settle either, I suspect that my subconcious is still very very worried.

Also the abs maybe taking a lot out of Franta cos they are very powerful.

I am just wishing so hard that he is gonna be OK.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 19, 2009, 19:51:20 PM

I am just wishing so hard that he is gonna be OK.


You and the rest of us peeps on Purrs :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 19, 2009, 19:52:26 PM
 :thanks:
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Post by: Wibblechick on February 19, 2009, 19:59:45 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: - Top-up from me, Chloe and Mr T + my OH ( who pretends not to, but reads Purrs over my shoulder and has started asking after Franta  :) )
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 19, 2009, 23:09:12 PM
You're doing all you can Gill and I think he is just KNACKERED like you are  :evillaugh: :rofl: :Luv2:  Plus the injections might be making him feel different the more he has and it will be in his system more now.  (This is just a thought, I don't know for certain).

Love M & B Xx :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 19, 2009, 23:16:08 PM
i agree Mary and have just said that to someone else...they must be well built up now cos only 4vmore jabs to go and stated this last Friday.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 20, 2009, 07:18:35 AM

I am just wishing so hard that he is gonna be OK.


You and the rest of us peeps on Purrs :hug:


Absolutely.    :hug:


 Hope you've had a restful night Gill.  Clever Franta, knowing the little black cat was there. 
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Post by: bonnielass on February 20, 2009, 07:24:14 AM
Just topping up the good and positive vibes for Franta and hope you had a restful night and things look better this morning :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 20, 2009, 11:10:45 AM
Franta is still attack free but have terrible night with him and got very little sleep.

He had food before I went to bed and then woke me up howling at usual time just before 0330 and never really got back to sleep after that cos he started howling again and hour later. He had food at 0330 but he is not really eating and therte was loads of food there.

From 0430 onwards we had repaeted episodes of howling from 10 mins to amd hour apart right umtil I got up. He had yet another food around 0630 but licked part of the jelly and that was it.

I felt yesterday that he really wanted to use a litter tray for solids but all he would do is sniff around them and around 0700 or later after a lot of howling standing near the tray, finally he used it and was much calmer after that but was then woken up by Ducha trying to bring up a furball! He didnt and as he is on the bed now ..............................grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Took me ages to get injection into Franta cos he just wanted to have tummy strokes and was lying on his back and eventually had to lift him onto bed to do the deed.

To my amazment he must have rushed out the cat flap at some point and as I came into kitchen he nearly knocked me over as he charged back in.....now have found out the reason for the haste but cant write it here!

Still have no claim forms from AXA and will start a thread on that.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 20, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
Am sorry to hear Franta was restless at night, they always seem to be worse during the night don't they?  Hopefully he has calmed down and you can all relax a bit today.  try not to stress too much (I know you will though) and look after yourself too
 :hug: :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on February 20, 2009, 15:51:49 PM
Aww i am sorry Franta had a bad night :( I hope he is better tonight and you can get some rest. :hug: :hug: x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 20, 2009, 15:58:11 PM
Have just been for a very stressful shop in Tescoes and got held up on way there due to an accident and then probs once in Tescoes....bllooming useless place!

So was out much longer than I wanted and just got back in the house and yes there was Franta howling at the top of his voice,

He wasnt hungry so starting to think he is just really insecure at the moment but trouble is I cant tell if his little head and mind is OK,

He is restless like me and dont think he can work out what to do with himself.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 20, 2009, 16:15:06 PM
Thing is Gill, we think we know them and all their habits but then they do something else to confuse us.

The past few nights Bonnie's slept in the spare bedroom, mind you it is full of clean washing ready to iron and cuddly toys.

I think it's a mixture of the weather, the injections and all the stress he's been under.  And not forgetting HE'S MISSED HIS MUMMY.  :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug:

M & B xx

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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 20, 2009, 16:18:21 PM
I have just been out for two hours shopping in Tesco's - I come back in to find Tiffany in her basket by the fire and Trigger on the mohair blanket on my bed - neither so much as lifted a head to check who it was :(

at least Franta seems appreciative of all you do for him, Gill
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Post by: DebbieM on February 20, 2009, 16:20:09 PM
Hi Gill, I'm new to the forum and have been catching up with reading here. You and Frantas have really been through a nightmare. Hope all works out good for you both! Good luck!  :hug:
Debbie
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 20, 2009, 16:37:16 PM
I have just been out for two hours shopping in Tesco's - I come back in to find Tiffany in her basket by the fire and Trigger on the mohair blanket on my bed - neither so much as lifted a head to check who it was :(

at least Franta seems appreciative of all you do for him, Gill

Thats how he would be normally but his behavior is very different at present.

Thanks Debbie and yes Mary , I am sure you are absolutely right and its a bif combination of things and think he missed me as much as I missed him
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Post by: Janeyk on February 20, 2009, 16:51:10 PM
Because I am in alot I remember whenever we had a day out and came in that evening and were sat watching TV our Squeaky would go into the kitchen and start yowling, we knew he would do it before he did and we would call him and he would come pounding in and be ok but it was like he just protested a bit and wanted that attention.  I think if Franta seems otherwise well Gill I would guess he is a bit anxious after the upset :hug:
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Post by: BlueHeather on February 21, 2009, 12:04:07 PM
Gill, so sorry but I have only just read through this regarding Franta.  I do so hope he is OK, a lot of what I was reading could easily have been Toby (I wondered at first if it was a 'Birman' thing), he too just licks off the jelly or gravy and eats very little of his actual food, he has had his teeth done and throat checked out and all is fine there.  He too has renal failure - but the past few days posts from you have been terrifying - I feel for you and know what a worry it must be - sending lots of love and hugs for Franta and you too
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 21, 2009, 12:32:48 PM
Am keeping fingers crossed cos I had a sleep last night and Franta didnt wake me up at all  ;D

He doesnt seem to be howling as much and is up and around more. Ceratinly howling now seems to be more wanting attention than food but he is fast going back to jelly licking and how he was eating brefore.

i am hoping now as he seems to be gaining more pf his confidence and getting some indepence back that this is a really good sign.

only two more abs injections to go.....they are so hard to give when he is rolling about wanting his chin and tummy stroked  :rofl:

we go back to the vet on monday morning and dont know what gareth will say.....is it the abs stop and we sit and hope or what.
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Post by: Feline Costumier on February 21, 2009, 13:14:50 PM
I ahve been lurking in this thread since the start but couldn't really think of anything to add that others weren't already saying.

So pleased Franta is doing much better and coming round to his old self. Soggy nosed head butts from Dave and head licks from Chilli. Some of these from me :hug:
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on February 21, 2009, 14:18:58 PM
Gill I haven't been on here for a while due to various things so have just been reading through all of this thread. So sorry that you and Franta have been through such a horrible and scary time but very pleased to see things seem to be getting better.

Please have lots of  :hug: :hug: from me and the boys and here's hoping you have managed to sort out the problem and our lovely boy will get better by the day.

Much love to you and Franta and of course your other babes too  :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Catjane on February 21, 2009, 20:55:29 PM
Gill, you've been doing wonders for Franta, I'm so glad he seems to be picking up.  :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 21, 2009, 23:03:43 PM
Looking good Gill - best of luck for Monday.

Love M & B xx :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 22, 2009, 00:26:03 AM
Thank you and he has been on one of his quiet days today.

Has come for cuddles when he wanted but feel he is losing weight and he is back to jelly licking grrrrrrrrr. I was hoping he would remember how to eat, not hoover like he was but just sorta nibble away at his food at least.

I think he is gradually settling down but not the noraml Franta yet........I suppose he may never be quite the same as he was but I just feel there is so much sadness in his blue eyes and how he looks at me. I hope its my imagination playing tricks but he is also a lot gentler than he was. almost like he is trying so hard to be normal but cant quite do it.
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 22, 2009, 01:30:01 AM
Bless him  :hug:  I'm so glad he hasn't had any more fits.  That is definitely a good sign.  It will take him a while to get over this though and settle down.  I hope you get the Franta you know and love back soon  :hug:  Good luck at the vet on Monday.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 22, 2009, 10:48:47 AM
give him time Gill. He's been through so much and has had fits and very strong drugs too  :hug: hope he's feeling all right today. Lovely people on here told me one day, one hour at a time and that's all you can do.
He's done so well and no more fits is wonderful news.
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 22, 2009, 10:54:52 AM
I am glad he has had no fits, even if he is worrying you with his eating habits - hopefully the vet can put your mind at rest tomorrow.
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Post by: BlueHeather on February 22, 2009, 11:07:38 AM
My big Birman Boy is sending Franta lots of licks to help him feel better  :)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 22, 2009, 12:15:34 PM
Went to bed too late my fault so tired again grrrrrrrrrrr.

Was woken up by Franta howling and he wanted to eat some biscuits but the problem was his brother was eating them!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

During the night a vast quantity of biscuits have been eaten...bedroom biscuits that is and at 0330 was out in the garden with him cos he decided to go out and swan about. He may have thought it fun but I didnt LOL.............its funny they act just like they would if it was light and I had hoped he had popped out to make use of it as a litter tray. No he came back in to do that!

He is asleep behind his curtain again and although he knew I had gone back to bed after giving him his injection, he either forgot or definately didnt look but went to the top of the stairs and howled. When I called him he came back into bedroom and got up onto the bed with me but left again quite quick.

Dont know if he has just got into a habbit this week that I get up early and go downstairs, maybe he was howling to tell me that I shouldnt be in bed.........who can guess!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: MrsR on February 22, 2009, 15:57:35 PM
Best of luck tomorrow x
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on February 22, 2009, 20:13:29 PM
Hope everything goes well tomorrow.  Sending positive vibes your way Franta from me and my girls x
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 22, 2009, 22:23:13 PM
Don't forget the completed Axa claim forms tomorrow Gill and ask at vets when they are likely to send them off coz any delays I had with settlement was more down to vet's only sending them off once a week rather than delay by Axa.  If vet sends off straightaway, I would expect settlement within 7 to 10 days.

Just a few  :hug: :hug: :hug: for Mr Frantapants and you too Gill for tomorrow's visit.  Hope you both get a decent night's sleep and an event free drive to and from vet. Also hope Franta's weight is still around 4.5kg. Just lots and lots of good vibes and we'll all be with you in spirit  :cuddle:

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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 22, 2009, 23:00:09 PM
 :hug:  :hug: for you and Franta tomorrow. Hope all goes well.
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Post by: pappilon on February 23, 2009, 00:07:36 AM
Sending positive vibes for Franta visit tomorrow and  :hug: :hug: for you Gill. x
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Post by: bunglycat on February 23, 2009, 00:42:18 AM
Hope you have a safe and uneventful journey tomorrow .
Lots of good vibes from the Lincoln clan for Franta - hope is weight is okay and he soon gets back to his normal self.
 :hug: :hug: to you all.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 23, 2009, 07:27:47 AM
Gill, keepimg everything crossed for you today and hope you and Franta had a peaceful night.   :hug: :hug:

Thinking back over your posts Gill,  some of Franta's behaviour is not dissimilar to how Paddy was after his stroke - the yowling, the slight forgetfulness or familiar things seeming unfamiliar to him.  He did get gradually  better over time, and now he hardly yowls at all, although he still has the odd forgetful episode - and of course he asks to be fed every half hour but then turns his nose up at most things, so you begin a frenzied ransacking of the cupboards in search of anything you thinkg he'd eat.

Safe journey, and let us know how you get on.   :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on February 23, 2009, 09:30:10 AM
Best of luck hunnie  :hug:  :Luv:
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Post by: madkittyrescue on February 23, 2009, 10:03:53 AM
all fingers and paws are crossed here for Franta today Gill  :hug: for you too.

Drive safely and I hope the visit is filled with lots of good news for you both.  It may just take some time before Franta returns to normal and no doubt with the amount of meds running through his wee body he is maybe feeling a tad 'out of it'.

We try to keep up with this thread daily.... so will check back in later to see how our wee boy Franta is then.   Sending you lots of :hug: :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on February 23, 2009, 11:10:23 AM
Good luck guys x
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Post by: Mark on February 23, 2009, 11:18:58 AM
Good luck Gill & Franta  :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 23, 2009, 11:35:35 AM
Don't know which I'm more eager to know about today.... my promotion at work or Franta.  Gotta be Franta  :Luv2: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 23, 2009, 11:35:59 AM
Let us know how it goes today  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 23, 2009, 12:28:37 PM
Best of luck today -  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 23, 2009, 13:55:09 PM
 :thanks: for all the good wishes all, They are so much appreciated  :hug:

We are back and today Franta is quite chirpy,,,,,,,ummmmmmmmm noisy  :rofl:

He has had no more attacks, antbiotics finished today and Gareth has seen Franta in his noisy grumpy I dont wanna be here state, which made him lauigh.

Gareth is very pleased with him but the criticall time is gonna be the next 48-72 hours as the abs leave his body and its at that point we will know better how he is. The abs have targetted his brain and inner ear, meningitus or other brain infection, if he starts have seizures again after the abs have cleared his system then it means he either needs another longer course and/or a scan.

I have been given a tube of diazapam to stick up his rear end if he has an attack to allow me to transport him back as an emergency but Gareth and I have all fingers crossed that there will be no recurrence and its a matter of taking one day at a time for now.

Gareth has said that he may have had a stroke from which he is recovering, so Sue you are bang on there, and that will account for his sorta slight confusion and stuff. The new blood tests done on the Gower show he is mildlly anaemic but Gareth says for a 16yr old cat that would be normal. He is showing very very minor signs of Hyper-T but the tests have come back with a note against that saying that if he is ill from something else and /or on meds this could be the reason.

He has lost some weight and Gareth thinks this needs to be kept an eye on.......so will need to get a scale Rosella......he is now about 4.2kgs so down down from 4.5 but also  this is a different scale that could account for it, although I think he has lost weight over the last week which also ties in with him not eating so much.

All in all right now its one of these  :yayyy: but think will have to wait to see if he is Ok for rest of week before them breaking out big time  ;D

One strange thing is all his records have not been passed on from the Gower and they do not have the report from Bristol on the kidney issue or any info about it and I expected that his complete notes would have been passed on. So this and the insurance stuff has still got to be sorted.

Uneventful journey time now.............yes it was but on arriving couldnt find anywhere to park and after circling and attempting a couple of places tried to turn round in a very small place and have bloomin smashed the corner of my front bumper grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, Mondeo bumpers are like eggshells and sound like it wneh you break em. The bumber at front sticks out about 6 inches beyond the bonnet and there was a gate with a wall and reckon that the bottom part of the wall that I couldnt see had a sticking out section and I gently hit it, So now have taped up the injury and it will just have to do cos cant afford a new bumper......I am not happy with myself at all!

I was by then already 10 mins late and worried about getting Franta into the vets so guess I wasnt concentrating well enough, although the road was a dead end and so narrow, which hadnt realized ti I had turned in. I should have just driven into the college or thriough that gate....................but hindsight is wonderful grrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Post by: Angiew on February 23, 2009, 14:03:27 PM
great news!
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Post by: MrsR on February 23, 2009, 14:10:33 PM
Sounds all promising and sending continous healthy vibes your way x
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Post by: clarenmax on February 23, 2009, 14:12:24 PM
This is all sounding very good and positive, hopefully the next few days will be fine, and then we can maybe have some more dancing bananas  :hug:  :Luv2:
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Post by: BlueHeather on February 23, 2009, 14:33:01 PM
Sounds promising - good old Franta  :hug:

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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 23, 2009, 15:18:34 PM
We have everything crossed here for the next few days - I have every confidence that Franta will be fine.  Hopefully his appetite will improve now that he's off the Marbocyl.   Shame about the redcurrant - easily done, not so easily mended. :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 23, 2009, 15:22:25 PM
I WANT MORE BANANAS

I WANT MORE BANANAS :hug: :hug: :hug:

So you've been practising to be a stock car racer Gill  :rofl: :naughty:  I'm as bad when I've got Bonnie in the car.

Do hope the next few days are the best ever for Old Blue Eyes.

Love Ma& B xx

P.S. - Didn't get my job  :'( :( >:(
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Post by: Kirst on February 23, 2009, 15:44:17 PM
Yay well done Frantaman!!  :wow:Bummer about the bonnet though. :tired:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 23, 2009, 15:51:20 PM
not the bonnet its the bumper............even thats bad enough....it looks like its got a large plaster on it now....sigh
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Post by: Leanne on February 23, 2009, 15:53:54 PM
Wow, way to go Franta

That all sounds really positive.

Fingers crossed for the next few days at the AB's leave him

 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 23, 2009, 15:54:22 PM
thought had better change title!
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Post by: pappilon on February 23, 2009, 15:59:47 PM
Finger crossed for next few days for gorgeous Franta. :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 23, 2009, 16:00:40 PM
Fingers crossed for him, its all sounding good though  :hug:  a tentative dancing banana here  :yayyy:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 23, 2009, 16:57:25 PM
That's good news about Franta, but not so good about the car or Mary's interview  :hug:.

Fingers crossed for the next couple of days.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 23, 2009, 18:28:46 PM
Gill, very pleased all went well at the vet's although huge commiserations about the Redcurrant.  :(  :hug: :hug:  Hope the insurance will be sorted out at the vets without any delay.

Mary - not great news, but hoping a better opportunity is waiting for you out there.  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 23, 2009, 18:33:29 PM
 :hug: hope Franta continues to do well Gill
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Post by: Stuart on February 23, 2009, 18:42:36 PM
Have been sooo  :scared: :scared: :scared: to post on here for Franta, because the last time I posted, the next post was not so good
and I ended up getting paranoid about being a jinx  :( (if that makes sense ??) But I have been watching Frantas progress avidly, and I feel
it may now be safe for one of these  :yayyy: way to Go Franta and a  :hug: for Gill for being such a good meowmy

Misty and Slave topping up the healing vibes also  :care: :care: :care:
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Post by: maryas on February 23, 2009, 21:32:00 PM
 :thanks: Sue and Christine.  Should be grateful I have a job the way things are at the moment I suppose.  Never mind at least now I can put all my thoughts on Franta and Gill.

M & B  :hug:
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Post by: madkittyrescue on February 23, 2009, 21:38:04 PM
all sounds promising Gill..... keeping everythign crossed for a very uneventful few days! :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 23, 2009, 21:53:45 PM
It all sounds really promising Gill ;D

Archie Parki and I are keeping fingers and paws crossed ;D
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 24, 2009, 01:30:01 AM
Fab news  :wow:

Im so happy for you both!  ;D :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on February 24, 2009, 03:24:46 AM
Really pleased with Frantas news - hope each day gets better - big  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you and all the furries.
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 24, 2009, 08:15:18 AM
Glad the news is seeming positive, and fingers crossed for the next couple of days.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 24, 2009, 12:51:48 PM
Franta update....he has bloomin stayed behind his curtain except for necessities ever since we cam home from the vets yesterday...........so am a bit worried again.................do I worry too much?

He is unusually for him too quiet.

I have just had a word actually a long chat with Richard my the head honcho at Frantas old vet. It seems from his practice at least Vets Now is operating rather different than when I last used the service and apparently in the last 6 months Vets Now in Swansea at least has changed also.

Nobody had told me and Richard is now going to make sure this is toild to people as he didnt know that it wasnt,,,,,,,,,,,but the Gower has a practice car so that they can transprort animals to and from Vets Now because especially in cases like Franta, owners should not be transporting their aniimals. So Franta should have been taken to Vets Now by a vet and also brought back again and really on that terrible Friday 13th I should have not been taking Franta 25 miles in the car.

I do not attach any blame to Rachel because I had clearly told her that I would not use VN and as Franta had been at St James the night before and I had said that transferring him may be the only option , I think she ran with what I said. I have made this clear to Richard.

He was unhappy that his clients did not know about the service provided by him and he also tells me that 6months ago VN in Swansea was totally changed and a leading special;ist has been brought in to run it and she has also reduced the fees. They are now the country leader in Swansea . so guess thats wherethey are watching before they change VN all over the country.

He has also explained why St Js run a 24/7 care which is to do with the law on farm animals which says they must have 24/7 care and that does not apply to small animals. He thinks this is about to change and if it does then St Js will stop their 24/7 care!

He says that the Gower are struggling to stay open financially and he may have to let one vet go in a couple of months unless the economic climate picks up, he also told me how much he pays his vets and vet nurses and that many vets now are struggling to stay open. He would love to run a 24/7 clinic but without enormous amounts of money and very very high prices it just cant be done.

Nothing but doom and gloom and think he is telling the truth and he has a terrible cold and says he is just getting ill over and over and had last friday off cos he was so ill............I do hate fri 13th cos if he had been around then Franta may have still been treated by the Gower..........but think Richard is under a lot of stress right now due to finacial circumstances.

He has also said that if Franta goes backwards off the record he thinks that Franta should have an MRI but I would have to discuss that with Gareth.

Apart from Franta getting well, the next thing I would love is for the Gower to survive because I know that Richards standards in terms of animal care and also how animals are treated/handled is second to none.

I have also told him that all of Frantas notes have not been transferred to St Js and Richard said he would sort that out and allso the insurance claim.

Its saved me a journey and the petrol and allows me to keep watch on Franta, at least.
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on February 24, 2009, 12:57:02 PM
 :hug:  :hug: to you and Franta x
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 24, 2009, 13:21:00 PM
Our head vet is also a Richard Gill.  Strangely he too seems to have a heavy cold.  If your Richard is anything like ours, you are lucky. Interesting what your Richard says about transport to Vets Now.  But would Vets Now provide 24 hour care?

When I brought the little uns for their jabs yesterday morning, I was surprised to be the only person in the surgery and commented on it. Mondays mornings are very usually busy. Vet said someone hadn't turned up and in any event they had booked half the morning for my little troop.  I suspect people are cutting back on veterinary care  :( just not in our house; 3 visits in a week.  The VN said we should buy shares in the practice this am.
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 24, 2009, 13:28:02 PM
Did I really do a post without sending tons of  :hug: to Mr Frantaman?  Shame on me.

Yes of course you worry too much Gill but then don't we all  :hug:  It would be nice if there were a switch we could press to stop worrying until it is necessary but with love comes worry. They just go hand in hand.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 24, 2009, 13:34:58 PM
The answer is that VN cant give 24/7 cover but between them and the vet the cover would be there and bacause a vet would be transporting any drips and stuff woud not have to be disconnected.

It is not a satisfactory situation but Richard said that under the law for working hours he would need to double or more his staff to be able to give cover and financial situation just does not let him do this and this is the case for most vets.

I have to say that any small vets giving 24/7 cover is likely to be breaking the working hours law.

I dont know what the answer is at all because which ever way we are not getting 24/7 care for sick animals up to the standard that we should and what ever was happening before the finacial crisis was not good and now its worse.

He also mentioned prescription charges and being undercut by the internet which he says is taking one hour of VN pay away fror every prescription.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 24, 2009, 14:05:38 PM
We will always worry too much Gill... If we didn't I would want to ruddy well know why :Luv2: :Luv2:

Bonnie is spending loads of time upstairs and in the spare bedroom at night (apart from last night when I woke up with her on my head  :rofl: :rofl: :shocked: :Luv2:

The weather and just the simple thing of being a cat could be the reason :rofl:

M & B xx :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 25, 2009, 01:27:17 AM
will be 48 hours since last abs injection around 0930, franta has been downstairs a little tonight and also popped into the garden cos when i went upstairs he was wet.....sigh.

so next couple of days gonna be important..........geez its a worry.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 25, 2009, 07:06:08 AM
Glad you were able to have a chat with Richard Gill, because certainly in terms of localised vet care and cover it seems to have answered a lot of your questions.

It's sad to hear that they're struggling to keep going.  I heard on the news back in November that vets practices were one of the few businesses that didn't seem to be suffering in the recession, but guess that depends where you are and what type of practice you have.  I know that a little further afield from us there are four new veterinary practices who've set up shop in the last year - one is a rather smart and swanky animal hospital just off the A1 which has a therapy pool and complementary practitioners available.

Am glad Franta came downstrairs, and even that he went out (although I know how much that in itself is a worry to you at the moment)  :hug: as he's showing signs of interest again.  Sending him a little chin rub this morning and a snuzzle from his mate, Paddy.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on February 25, 2009, 07:54:07 AM
Its all looking a lot more promising Gill. Parki, Archie and I till have everything crossed :hug:

Did not realise small vet practises were having such problems, very sad
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Post by: MrsR on February 25, 2009, 08:55:22 AM
I'd be the same as you Gill, everything crossed here firmly.
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Post by: Kirst on February 25, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Everything crossed here too! :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 25, 2009, 12:18:18 PM
Thanks  :hug:

I have just sorta disturbed him and he came out from behind his curtain, licked some jelly and had some strokes and a chat.......well I did the chatting.

So he is the same as yesterday, quiet and sleeping most of the time.

Just realized that he also had a convenia jab which ran out today as well and I feel like I am holding my breath............just so want him to be OK.
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Post by: MrsR on February 25, 2009, 12:27:31 PM
What a little fighter :)
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Post by: BlueHeather on February 25, 2009, 12:32:06 PM
As do we all Gill.

Toby sending him positive Birman licks and yowls  :hug:
and a good chin and throat tickle from me too
Heather x
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Post by: clarenmax on February 25, 2009, 13:36:15 PM
Our babes are such a worry at the best of times, but moreso when we're on the lookout for every little thing they do  :hug:

Sending Frantaman a big cuddle too  :Luv2:
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Post by: Kirst on February 25, 2009, 13:43:40 PM
Beavis sends a Birman yowl too - he was practising them hard at 430am!! :evillaugh: :tired:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: BlueHeather on February 25, 2009, 14:31:50 PM
So whoever wrote the book on Birmans saying they were gentle of voice was living in cloud cuckoo land then eh  :rofl:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 25, 2009, 15:43:13 PM
oh they were  :rofl:

I just popped down to the post box to send claim forms to my vet and he must have heard me going out......no more than 5 mins..really.

When I came back he was meowing for me from the stairs  :shify:

Its like he has just woken up from 2 and half weeks of sleep and has been lying on sofa cleaning me and  himself and trying to kill my camera cos it has a little loop to hold it by.

He was on my lap by puta for all of about 5 secs but thought the desk was too high to jump down from....noticed this since he was ill ....so  he came down in two stages onto my chair and then down to the floor.

He has been giving himself a good clean, especially where the dreaded bandage was..........two weeks ago! He is restless and wandering.

Have taken some pics, and dont know how they will look.

He has been walking around investigating but certainly was not happy that I went out.

Reckon the drugs all out of his system now, so now I wait  :scared: :scared:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 25, 2009, 15:59:46 PM
He is exhausted now and gone back to the bedroom , had a bit to eat cos he was lickin his chops when I went up there  ;D

I am trying to let him do his own thing but the temptation is to follow him all the time. need to go and get my meds from Chemist before they close.....hope he will not miss me cos will be about 15 mins in the car.

Here are some pics from his photo session earlier  ;D
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Post by: Janeyk on February 25, 2009, 17:00:34 PM
He's beautiful Gill  :Luv:
and I can understand not wanting to leave him I said earlier to Steve we could do with a day out but then had second thoughts as I don't want to leave Schui just yet  :tired:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 25, 2009, 17:10:28 PM
Well havent got out cos he must have read my mind and he started meowing again.

He is very very restless and just doesnt seem to know what he wants to do and will not say in one place longer than a few minutes.

Was hoping to get my meds but it maybe Friday before I can........sigh

Yes Janey, I am desperate to go out and will have to go to the supermarket before Sat but I just cant leave him right now. I am hoping he is not struggling but think he is. I can understand you wanting to be with Schui  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 25, 2009, 20:59:29 PM
Mr Kirst just looked over my shouolder an his response to Frantas photos...................................'When can we go get him!''

Lock yer doors Gill , he wants your cat! :evillaugh:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 25, 2009, 21:07:44 PM
 :rofl: :rofl:

he is fast asleep on the desk at the moment but not really eating.......he seems to have dodgy tummy.

all he wants to do is be with me and he has to be touching me. i am starving but dont want to leave him.

you are a glutton for punishment and i reakly couldnt give him up  ;D
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Post by: maryas on February 25, 2009, 21:14:19 PM
Well Gill, I've had the lousiest birthday ever today BUT seeing these photos of Franta has really cheered me up.  I adore them all but the close up of him is fantastic.

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 25, 2009, 21:15:43 PM
oh mary  :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 25, 2009, 21:44:53 PM
Well Gill, I always knew Mr Frantaman was pretty fab looking but those pics (esp as Mary says the close up) are adoreable.

He is just goooooorgeous   :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: pappilon on February 25, 2009, 21:47:26 PM
Awww i love his little white gloves, Franta is gorgeous. :Luv: x
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Post by: maryas on February 25, 2009, 21:55:19 PM
P.S.
Gill could you please tell Franta that Bonnie is 10 times more in love with him now  :Luv2: :Luv: :Luv2: :Luv: :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 25, 2009, 21:56:39 PM
when he wakes up, i definately will  ;D
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 25, 2009, 22:17:36 PM
Gorgeous piccies, especially the closeup!  :Luv: hope he stays well.  :hug:
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Post by: Stuart on February 25, 2009, 23:05:13 PM
Beautiful Photos of the Fantastic Franta Gill  :wow:
oooh I just love His colouring and THOSE Eyes  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:

I want Him  :shify:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 25, 2009, 23:12:29 PM
you are very kind and i got his blue eyes for a change  ;D

he really doesnt like the camera but loved the loop, so couldnt move the camera and just had to point and hope for the close up.......have a number of others too of course  :rofl:

when he is in full fur suit he is even more magnificant but part of his ruff has been cut and neck shaved and also both front paws.

he has gone upstairs now and suspect he will be back in his hiding place when i go up............so trying not to follow him around but very pleased i stayed with him tonight cos i think he needed me  ;D

i am hoping his tummy is a bit better tomorrow and that he has another nice day.
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Post by: Zenith (Liz) on February 25, 2009, 23:15:00 PM
I do love Franta  :Luv2:  I'd steal him off you if I could!

I'm glad he feels a tad better, slowly and surely wins the race!
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 26, 2009, 07:16:53 AM
Gill, I love those piccies of our beautiful blue eyed boy!  :wow:  He's making steady progress.   :hug:

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but thought the desk was too high to jump down from....noticed this since he was ill ....so  he came down in two stages onto my chair and then down to the floor.


Paddy was the same after he had his stroke.  He doesn't climb up high now, whereas he used to race up our neighbour's cherry tree like a demon.  He likes to climb up or down in stages now, and isn't so steady on his feet.  When he feeds from the bench in the kitchen, we have to put a chair there for him now.   I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it's like Franta's just woken up after a fortnight's sleep.  Heaven knows how it must feel to them, but I suspect that's a fairly accurate description.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on February 26, 2009, 08:56:40 AM
Awwww gorgeous piccies of a very gorgeous boy  :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Leanne on February 26, 2009, 09:35:06 AM
How is Franta doing this morning?

Franta is gorgeous, I love the close up ones, Franta could melt many a heart I'm sure   :Luv: :Luv:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 26, 2009, 10:21:32 AM
Franta was up very early. Heard him during the night trying to bring up a fur ball but failed. Shows how bad I am sleeping!

One of the birmans has a bad tummy but not sure which one although thought it was Franta........I dont want to try starving them and wonder if its all the biscuits they have been eating?

I have been messing around with their food while franta was ill to try and get them eating better? more expensive and richer food. So am going back to basic Felix and havent filled ther biscuit bowl this morning although there are a few in there.

Franta has been up on the desk already and went down Misas way which is in two steps and yesterday did notice Franta a bit wobbly on his legs , infact one time he wobbled so much he nearly fell over.

probably he has lost some strength as he has hardly moved for two weeks and am hoping that this is the reason.

All in all, I think he is doing well and hope that this is the start of being better.

He is sleeping as close to me as he can without actually being on the bed and think he is still a little scared and wants me in touching distance most of the time.
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Post by: maryas on February 26, 2009, 14:32:45 PM
Franta wants you in touching distance does he?....... I woke up with Bonnie's bum in my face this morning - now that is close!

Looks like we are all gonna have one big cat fight over Franta.... Bonnie will win them all  :Luv2:

in your spare time Gill......... you could make a little bed for Franta and put some curtains around it  :rofl: :Luv2:

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 26, 2009, 14:37:05 PM
Oh Mary he would just ignore it  :rofl:

At night he is now sleeping on the floor despite beds being there for him, just not behind his curtain!
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Post by: maryas on February 26, 2009, 14:40:41 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Bonnie sometimes sleeps on my bedroom floor cos the central heating pipes are under the floor boards in my bedroom.  Not daft  :Luv2:

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 26, 2009, 14:47:10 PM
I have pipes under mine too but thats not where he is, its at the bottom of the bed  ;D
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Post by: Kirst on February 26, 2009, 16:48:53 PM
Mine are all now allowed in the bedroom at night. the ginger ninjas are as good as gold. Posh paws however............................. :tired:
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Post by: BlueHeather on February 26, 2009, 21:55:54 PM
Toby aka Posh Boy and the kittens are not allowed in the bedroom at night  - they have their own - duvet incuded  ;), However come the daytime Mum's feather bed is much more appealing  :innocent: :innocent: :innocent:

Sadly I am unable to even contemplate making our bed during the day as they have first dibs .... Paul and I tend to make it before we fall in it  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Post by: Catjane on February 26, 2009, 22:36:30 PM
Awww Gill - just seen the pics - he is absolutely stunning!  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:  Those eyes!
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 27, 2009, 00:16:34 AM
yes he is a good looking boy  ;D

well it is a nearly week without attacks and abs must bre out of his system, he is still not quite the boy he was but even if he stays like he is now for a long time i will be over the moon  ;D

he is not as happy and pushy as he was, much more tentative but today i did see the spring in his step a few times......after worrying he was walking so slow.

i dont know if its birman thing but he sort of bounces on every step when he is normal and he is going up and down stairs more.

i dont know how long i will worry about him and every little thing he does or doesnt do but right now i dont think he is due back at the vets soon...............well i am hoping so much  :wish: :wish: :wish:

all your support and kind wishes both on and off the forum has meant so much and kept me going over some very rough times for franta in the last 2 and half weeks, i would just like to say thank you to everyone...................and let the good times continue for him  ;D

i must also say thanks to both rachel and gareth , frantas vets cos without them, franta would not be still with me.
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Post by: bunglycat on February 27, 2009, 01:42:33 AM
I am so pleased Mr Handsome Franta seems to be doing well and long may it continue .
You look after them properly and they are lucky to be so loved .
Sending big  :hug: :hug: to all the furries and you for being such a good meowmmy.
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 27, 2009, 04:00:21 AM
And what a beautiful shade of blue those eyes are..... :Luv: :Luv:

Happy that your happy!  :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 27, 2009, 09:28:52 AM
Sounds like Franta thinks he is a spring lamb Gill.  :evillaugh: :rofl: :Luv2:

He is doing so well and it's not only Rachel and Gareth that have helped it's all your love and concern that has helped too.  Give yourself a pat on the back too Gill.  Well done.

M & B xx :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on February 27, 2009, 12:09:47 PM
Fantastic to hear that Franta is doing so well  :Luv2:  He is absolutely stunning Gill  :Luv2:

As Mary says most of his recovery is down to your TLc and dedication to getting him better  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 27, 2009, 14:54:48 PM
Im so happy he's Ok - Beavis prances too when the mood takes him - we call him our little fairy-cat! :Luv2:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 27, 2009, 15:08:35 PM
Just got back from vets......to take in his insurance papers and also some medical history......and Tescos to get the essnetial foods.

Franta was asleep when I went out, so tiptoed out. Misa and Sasa saw me go whispered see you later kittens to them................WhO was at the top orf the stairs meowing when I returned home!  Yes blue eyes himself and think he heard me opening the door, so like toi think it was hello I am pleased to see you, rather than,,,,,,,,,,,mean meowmy going out and leaving me all scared on my own (with 3 others cats) and its good you are back so you can stroke me  :rofl:

Oh well sigh....he got lots of strokes and I passed onto him all your messages and for all that I had my hands gripped between his front paws.....boy does he have a strong handshake  ;D

He had a good night and so did I and when I woke up he was lying fast asleep on one of the blankets I put near my bed  ;D ;D

Just a couple  of these :yayyy: :yayyy:

He is looking so handsome today, wish his tummy would improve a bit more.......definately think its him but slightly better this morning I think.
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Post by: BlueHeather on February 27, 2009, 15:26:24 PM
Aww sounds promising Gill - and it IS a Birman thing with the bouncy step walk, I always think Toby looks like a trotting pony  :rofl:

It just goes to show you what lots of TLC can do to improve them and the work of your msmashing vedts too.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 27, 2009, 15:30:57 PM
Yes thats just the right description BH and Kirst :rofl:

Ducha his brother only has 3 legs so couldnt tell if it was just Franta.......am pleased its a birman thing and its very cute  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 27, 2009, 15:40:23 PM
Yippppeeeee - the full page of bananas will be here before we know it.  :hug: :hug: :Luv2:

M & B xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 27, 2009, 19:09:42 PM

He had a good night and so did I and when I woke up he was lying fast asleep on one of the blankets I put near my bed  ;D ;D

Just a couple  of these :yayyy: :yayyy:


And a few more from me  :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:  I'm sure he'll go from strength to strength.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 27, 2009, 20:23:32 PM
Gill, Franta knows he can hold tight to your hand, and that you won't ever let him go.    :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 27, 2009, 21:24:18 PM
Gill, Franta knows he can hold tight to your hand, and that you won't ever let him go.    :hug:
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Aw, that's really sweet, don't you start crying Gill.  :Luv2: :hug:

M & B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on February 27, 2009, 21:38:15 PM
Gill, Franta knows he can hold tight to your hand, and that you won't ever let him go.    :hug:

Awwwww  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: MrsR on February 27, 2009, 21:49:10 PM
Brilliant news
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: madkittyrescue on February 28, 2009, 12:02:03 PM
so thrilled to hear that Franta is continuing to do well hun.  I may not have posted much but am thinking of you both daily!  :hug:  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 28, 2009, 12:18:01 PM
Thank you and very appreciated  :hug:

Gill, Franta knows he can hold tight to your hand, and that you won't ever let him go.    :hug:

Thats so lovely Sue and has only hit me today  :hug:

last night he finally sicked up the furball he was trying to eject a couple of nights ago and he is not a very big cat and it was the most massive and solid furball I have ever seen. He seemed a bit wobbly after, I am sure that must have made his eyes water but hope that he felt better for it eventually.

He was noshing when I left him and no doubt sleeping again now..........trying to let him do his own thing as much as possible.

Have to go out soon............run out of bird food and they are winging round the feeding station protesting that I am deliberately starving them  :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 28, 2009, 13:44:40 PM
I'm so pleased that Franta is doing so well after all his bad times. I'm sure he will especially rely on you now Gill and bond even more than before with you and he will feel secure when you are with him. How lovely that he held your hand so tight and so beautifully put by Sue  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Topsy Turvey on February 28, 2009, 13:50:06 PM
Excellent news about Franta.   Fab pics of him btw.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: BlueHeather on February 28, 2009, 15:19:19 PM
Wonderful news re the Hairball Gill - whenever Toby sicks a large one up and believe me he has had some beauts - he eats like crazy and feel much more like his old self again - here's hoping Franta is the same

Here's Santamora Ko Chang (aka Toby - aka Posh Boy!)  sending kitty licks his way


(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m161/BlueHeather_02/cats%20n%20kittens/Photo-0151.jpg)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kirst on February 28, 2009, 17:46:38 PM
And heres Panjandarum Goldbraid (or Beavis to his friends! ;)) sending all his love too! Oh and he recommends the new hairball paste his mummy bought today that tastes of marmite.

(http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk165/kirsty1712/100_4486.jpg)


Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 28, 2009, 18:16:17 PM
Franta - 1
Furball - 0

Yippeeee   :hug: :hug: :Luv2:

M & B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 28, 2009, 23:48:24 PM
Which paste is that Kirst and ermmmmmmmmm how do you know it tastes of marmite  :rofl: :rofl:

What gorgeous birmans  ;D and Adouzlo Napoleon Devere aka Franta Napoleon says thank you for the messages  ;D

The one below is Adoulzlo Borimir aka Ducha Wellington..........dont ask me why he has one less name than his brother but maybe they forgot to add the Wellington in cos they came as Naps and Wells  :rofl: :rofl:

Because Frantas tummy has not been too good they are not getting a lot of food at the moment and am hoping that what ever upset him has run its course.

Ducha is acusing me of being mean cos he didnt have a bad tummy and wants his posh food.........sigh.

Certainly Franta seems to have much more need in the cuddle stakes at the moment and has become much more gentle than he was...........not so Mr Hook who caught me twice yesterday and my index finger still very painful with a large hole in it!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on March 01, 2009, 00:00:16 AM
Do you groom him Gill? His coat is lovely and smooth looking!  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 01, 2009, 00:41:58 AM
yes he gets groomed but mostly by himself  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on March 01, 2009, 12:37:52 PM
Oooh such lovely piccies on this thread.

..... ermmmmmmmmm how do you know it tastes of marmite  :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl:

Certainly Franta seems to have much more need in the cuddle stakes at the moment ......

Korky has always liked to be near his humans but since his illness last year he likes to be ON his humans :Luv2:  Glad Franta is doing well Gill.

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: BlueHeather on March 01, 2009, 12:50:11 PM
It's amazing how their coats always look fantastic with very little help - Tobes gets a good brushing only once a week - if that, and he never, ever knots. Unlike most long hairs.

I use that stuff too - the one I use is Katalax - it's a treacly looking brown goo which smells just like malt extract/Marmite as Kirst says - it's in a green and white tube from the vets, not sure if that's the one you mean Kirst but that's what I use  - our Toby hates it, won't lick it off fingers or food or anything so I scrap it on his foreleg which he hates to be 'unclean' so washes it off with his tongue - hence gets it in his tum, cruel Mum or what  :shify:

Here's a link with a couple of reviews...
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Katalax_Hairball_Treatment__6861505
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kirst on March 01, 2009, 14:29:41 PM
This is in a blue an white pump tube - and Zenith told me it tastes like marmite! :naughty:


I can't belive just how like Oscar Ducha looks! :Luv2: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 01, 2009, 19:11:11 PM
Scrumtiousphoto of Ducha and I love the way he's looking at you.  :Luv2: :Luv2:

M & B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 02, 2009, 13:56:51 PM
if its katalax mine wont touch it!

i thought i had a foolproof method with ducha but he won! i put it on his leg just above his paw cos he likes to be clean, so I thought......sigh.

he would not lick it and rubbed his leg on everything he could find to remove it.........birrmans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

franta very very quiet and staying in the bedroom most of time. he seems to look at me so sadly and hope he is feeling ok.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 02, 2009, 14:20:00 PM
Well I think you should be in the bedroom with him and running around like an idiot so that he will join you  :evillaugh: :rofl: :Luv2:

M & B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 02, 2009, 15:32:47 PM
Think he needs his rest Mary, he is sleeping most of time. More like Ducha now who has always done this.

I have been up and hes had cuddles and was asleep behind his curtain last time I looked  ;D

He also had a brief spell downstairs and ate some food but then rushed back upstairs to his safe place.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 02, 2009, 15:44:57 PM
Aw bless him - if that's what he likes and he's feeling ok then I suppose you'll have to leave him to it - maybe he'll want to go out when the sun starts to come out.  If Bonnie's upstairs ofr too long I go up and give her kisses and cuddles and then I hear her purring adn know she is ok. :Luv2:

M & B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 02, 2009, 15:54:16 PM
I think if the weather got warmer and dryer and nice outside he would come out with me but its not nice out there at present and no grass to eat  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 02, 2009, 15:57:57 PM
I know, it's horrid here too - I've been buying cat grass for Bonnie for a while now.  she loves it and she's never sick after it and not after grass outside either.  trying to get my back garden tidy so a guy at work can come and sort out cat proofing half of it for me - The other half is for my washing and the birds.

M & B
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 02, 2009, 16:00:25 PM
That sounds good........does Bonnie go out at the moment?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 02, 2009, 16:19:07 PM
After smudge I didn't want Bonnie to go out but if she created I would have let her.  She has never tried to get out or meowed at the door.  However last Summer, the bit that we had I bought a harness and what a ruddy laugh that was!!  Just so she could sit in the back garden with me.  I posted som epics at the time.  She loved it and she hate some grass and i expecte dher to be sick but she wasn't.

After that she always meowed at the door when I came home but soon I realised it was because she wanted some grass - so when I com ein the house now I just bring some in with me and she is fine.

It wil be nice when I get it cat proofed cos we will be able to sit ot together and iwon't have to have the lead or harness on her (not that I could get the harness on anyway!!).
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 02, 2009, 16:21:30 PM
Yes that will be great for her  ;D

I once tried to get a harness on Misa...................... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 03, 2009, 13:11:05 PM
Frantas poor little tummy seems to have got a bit worse so have ordered some Lacto B for him, hope it arrives quickly.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 03, 2009, 13:34:52 PM
Oh Gill, no.   :hug:  Sending soothing tummy rubs, very gentle ones, to Franta's lovely tum.  Paddy knows what that's like when the old tum's not functioning right, and is also sending snuzzles for Franta.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on March 03, 2009, 13:46:53 PM
Sending lots of 'get tummy better soon' vibes  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 03, 2009, 14:06:07 PM
Sending lots of  :hug: and big kisses for Franta's tum.  :Luv2: :Luv2:

M & B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 03, 2009, 14:10:32 PM
Thank you and I hope the lacto B arrives quickly and works. Its a good job he has no trousers at present!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 03, 2009, 14:14:43 PM
Put him a nappy on  :rofl: :Luv2: :hug: xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 03, 2009, 14:15:54 PM
Franta says he doesnt think that funny !
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 03, 2009, 14:26:55 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

WE LOVE YOU FRANTA.  SORRY DARLING.

 :Flowers: :Flowers: :ahh: :catlove: :ahh: :catluv: :lick: :sorry:

M & B xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 03, 2009, 14:30:16 PM
Franta says he is thinking whether to accept the apology cos he feels a bit tired right now but I have told him it was all a mistake .

He says OK he still friends with yoo  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 03, 2009, 14:34:20 PM
 :thanks: :thanks: :clap: :clap: :clap: :disco: :disco: :catlove:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Zenith (Liz) on March 03, 2009, 18:29:17 PM
This is in a blue an white pump tube - and Zenith told me it tastes like marmite! :naughty:

Ahem Mia told me it was marmite-like  :briggin:  Plus the stuff smells like a guy at works jar of marmite, he has a spoonful of that in hot water sometimes  :Crazy:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Millys Mum on March 03, 2009, 19:23:00 PM
I need more hairball paste, whats it called? My lot adore marmite :drool;
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 04, 2009, 13:09:54 PM
Frantas tummy seemed to be better overnight but has had a couple of blowouts today grrrrrrr. Lacto B has not arrived yetm whats the dosage, want to try and just get him solid again without over doing it?

He has been quite active this morning and went outside, explored the whole garden and then ran for about 50 ft at full pelt, the weather was nice and warm and sunny at the time and he had been sitting on the front upstairs window sill watching it, so guess he thought that looks OK, could do with some of that  ;D

Off to get his litter in a minute.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 04, 2009, 13:19:38 PM
Sounding good Gill.  Wish I'd had sunshine this morning - had to get snow and ice off my car this morning  >:(

M & B x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: swampmaxmum on March 04, 2009, 17:58:34 PM
Franta sounds so much better! Wonderful. No idea on dosage, sorry, just wanted to say how pleased I am he's better (except for the tum, but haring around sounds like it's not bothering him too much). We had about 5 mins sun too - hail forecast for later though.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 05, 2009, 13:31:34 PM
Franta has had first dose of Lacto B this morning, so am keeping fingers crossed it works well and quick for him.  :wish:

He has slept well and been out again in the garden this morning, along with Ducha, so I think that this is all promising and he was looking smug lying on my bed about an hour ago and that is also good cos he seemed to be looking at me so sad before  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 05, 2009, 13:42:55 PM
Smug is good.  We like smug.  :wow:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Christine (Blip) on March 05, 2009, 14:14:00 PM
Smug is good.  We like smug.  :wow:  :hug:

Yes, we do  :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on March 05, 2009, 15:29:34 PM
Wow he sounds to be doing really well, glad he had some fun in the sunshine.  HOpe the LactoB does the job  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 05, 2009, 15:55:38 PM
Yer we all love smug - he can do whatever he likes so long as he doesn't do sad.  :shify: :innocent: :Luv2: :rofl:

M & B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on March 05, 2009, 19:45:48 PM
First time I used lacto b, it took about 3 days for it to work, but I have heard it can be longer and sometimes things can even get a bit worse before they get better.  Fingers crossed it will work quickly for Franta  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 05, 2009, 20:38:24 PM
Thanks for posting that Susanne cos he has just used his tray and its worse than it was the last time and he is looking sad again  :(

It says to give one dose a day so better just do what it says I think and hope that it improves over the weekend
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 05, 2009, 20:43:26 PM
Can't you do a dance or somethig Gill, to make him smile?  :rofl: :Luv2: :hug:


M & B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on March 05, 2009, 21:05:09 PM
I did actually give Jaffa a dose in the morning and a dose in the evening (slightly smaller than a scoop each time so probably about one and a half doses per day). 
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 05, 2009, 21:08:19 PM
Not sure what to do for the best Susanne
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on March 05, 2009, 21:21:35 PM
My vet suggested weetabix - can be mixed in with his normal food to bind them .
I tried it on Winston a couple of times and it seemed to work , even though i didn't think he would eat weetabix -with or without his food in it but he did.
Also i gave some with some warm milk to Fifi when she had tooth /abcess problems and wouldn''t eat and she had some of that too - is it worth a try ?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 05, 2009, 21:41:52 PM
He used to like licking the remains of the milk from round my weetabix but wont do it any more and also wont touch the weetabix LOL.

think I will have to stick with the Lacto B and if it carries on will have to speak to the vet cos he has been like this but not as bad for about a week and a half but seems longer.

Lets hope tomorrows lacto B actally helps
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on March 06, 2009, 03:07:13 AM
Sending positive pooing vibes to the darling man~~~~~~~ ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 06, 2009, 10:59:32 AM
Thanks , he does need some.......sigh
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 06, 2009, 11:07:37 AM
waiting for the vet to ring me back cos think I need to check with him about Frantas tummy which started just over a week ago.......it seems so much longer!

Its started about when the abs would be out of his system but possible cleaned out his poor tummy by then.

He has ahd more Lacto B this morning and apart from ponging the house out again, he is not quite as bad as the last tray useage :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 06, 2009, 11:58:12 AM
Hopefully it's just going to take time Gill, although it does seem to have taken wnough time already  :Luv2:

M & B XX
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 06, 2009, 12:53:23 PM
Have just spoken to the vets and he says lacto b right way to go and should start to work in 48hrs,,,,,,,if Franta still not improving by Monday to go in and he will give me a kaolin type paste for cats which will help to bind him but he preferes the lacto b as he thinks thats the best option....the other is a last resort.

Off to art5 group and Misa is being very naughty at moment!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Stuart on March 06, 2009, 14:31:46 PM
Sending Franta Loads of Positive vibes  :hug: :hug: :hug:
any luck with the food Gill ??
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 06, 2009, 14:57:49 PM
Glad the vet is not too worried Gill.

Have a good afternoon.

M & B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 08, 2009, 19:35:05 PM
I am hoping this will be my last update on this thread  :shify: :shify:

Franta has not used the tray today yet so am hoping this means his tummy is sorted, or very nearly sorted.

I didnt get much sleep cos Franta was on one side and Ducha was on the other but Ducha does not like reduced space and was objecting.

I was stopped from sleeping by moaning and meowing,,,,,,,,,,,,,think it was Ducha and he decided that Franta was not ill any more so games could happen.

He was hiding and pouncing on Franta who at one point rushed at million mph across the bed to hide followed by Ducha and the pair of them were flying around the bedroom, landing and bathroom like lunatics. Franta seemed to have no illl effects from this and it also didnt cause him to need the tray  ;D

This is two nearly 16 year old cats, one with 3 legs and the other who has been very seriously ill and as of yesterday still had an upset stomach!

I was woken up far to early cos Franta wanted food and he forced me to get up and then followed me downstairs and back up, so I nearly trod on him on the stairs. He is still spending most of his time in the bedroom but when you look into his eyes he looks straight back and more like the old Franta. I feel he is still a bit wobbly on his legs but only when he moves slowly  :rofl: :rofl:

I have even had a few bass purrs from him, he is not a purrer but its lovely when he does  ;D

I am almost scared to do this but think that some of these should dance away  ;D

 :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:

Yes he is also doing quite a lot of this  :scratch:

and doing this at me when he is lyin in my bed  :cat laugh:

 :really:

He says he is a cool cat now and thanks for all your good wishes :cat chat:


Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on March 08, 2009, 19:39:42 PM
I'm liking the sound of all that  :Luv2: and heres some more of these to add to yours!  :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on March 08, 2009, 19:40:04 PM
 :Luv2:  :yayyy:  :yayyy:  :Luv:

Says it all I think
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 08, 2009, 19:40:46 PM
Oh Gill, this has really made me happy.   :)   :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :grouphug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on March 08, 2009, 19:59:37 PM
Let's go banana mad for the blue eyed man of our lives.  :Luv2: :Luv2:

 :F:  :yayyy:  :R:   :yayyy:  :A:  :yayyy:  :N:  :yayyy:  :T:  :yayyy:  :A:

Lots of love from Mary and Bonnie xxxxxxx

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kirst on March 08, 2009, 20:02:15 PM
 :yayyy: :yayyy: :cheer: :cheer: :yayyy: :yayyy: :cheer: :cheer: :yayyy: :yayyy: :cheer:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on March 08, 2009, 20:15:34 PM
Excellent, adding some more of these  :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on March 08, 2009, 20:18:02 PM
This is sounding good!  :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: ChrisB on March 08, 2009, 20:38:39 PM
Brilliant news Gill, so pleased for you all
 :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Wibblechick on March 08, 2009, 20:52:08 PM
Purrfect news!!  Im so pleased for you and Franta  :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Stuart on March 08, 2009, 20:52:59 PM
Brilliant News  :wow:  :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kay and Penny on March 08, 2009, 21:20:15 PM
so glad Franta is feeling more like his old self - though it sounds as if you are not going to get any more sleep than when he was ill :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: pappilon on March 08, 2009, 21:27:27 PM
Aww Gill , we are so pleased Franta is doing well and hope you get a goodnight sleep tonight ;) Phoebe, Boy and me. :) x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Topsy Turvey on March 08, 2009, 22:05:40 PM
Great news about Franta  :Luv: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on March 08, 2009, 22:07:23 PM
Fantastic news about Franta Gill , you must feel so much better ;D now you have your little man back :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: MrsR on March 08, 2009, 22:15:27 PM
Great news
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: nessa (A C S ) on March 08, 2009, 23:12:10 PM
Wow I have just spent the last few hrs reading this thread gosh you has a scary time of it......I am so glad that every thing work out well.....WTG Franta :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on March 08, 2009, 23:18:26 PM
Fabulous news -so glad he is back to normal :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :hug: ;D ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 08, 2009, 23:23:01 PM
Thank you so much everyone  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on March 09, 2009, 02:59:32 AM
What a wonderful outcome!

Well done Franta the Man.....a big wave of relief for you also Gilly!  :wow: ;D :Luv: :Luv2: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Maddiesmum on March 09, 2009, 13:38:44 PM
Absolutely brilliant news, you must be so relieved.   :hug: :hug: :hug: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 02, 2009, 22:22:22 PM
Franta has had another attack tonight about 3/4 of hour ago. The vet is doing emergency surgery at present and am waiting for her to ring back.

She has just rang and we are hoping its a one off but if he has another I will need to drive him to Swansea after trying to administer the diazapam that I have for him.

Please keep fingers crossed for Franta and that this was just a hickcup and wont happen again.

He was absolutely fine aboout 3 hours ago.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 02, 2009, 22:26:35 PM
Oh no Gill, I hope he doesnt have another attack - is he ok at the moment?  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 02, 2009, 22:29:37 PM
Me too  :(

He is crouched down by the bed poor boy and is very scared.

The vet has said to check up on him from a distance and not fuss him and we are keeping fingers crossed that this is just a one off but this is how it started before. Apparently his notes have a NB to get him to an MRI if he has any more attacks but that worries me cos they do not know Franta very well.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on July 02, 2009, 22:31:02 PM
Franta has had another attack tonight about 3/4 of hour ago. The vet is doing emergency surgery at present and am waiting for her to ring back.

Oh Gill I thought you meant she was doing surgery on our lovely boy  :-:  You know he is being sent the very best of good vibes from everyone here  :hug:  Be positive.  You at least know what to look for and that, if at all possible, stay calm to keep him calm.  Is it possible for you to get vet to prescribe same treatment without a visit?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 02, 2009, 22:32:37 PM
Oh how awful for you both!  :Luv: :hug:

Sending positive vibes that this was just a one off~~~~~~Good Luck Gilly and Franta man, am thinking of you both!  :care: :ahh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on July 02, 2009, 22:33:24 PM
Sorry Gill. Just so shocked. I now see you already have some diazapam  :-[
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 02, 2009, 22:35:17 PM

He is crouched down by the bed poor boy and is very scared.


Oh poor chap, I'll keep everything crossed its just a one off.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Wibblechick on July 02, 2009, 22:40:09 PM
Just read this  :(  Lots of positive vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: coming your way
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 02, 2009, 22:58:05 PM
Thank you all  :hug:

just so worried and can see he is so scared. Am checking on him about every 15 mins, and he was in same place I left him but sitting up this time, so am hoping that is good.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Reynard on July 02, 2009, 23:07:18 PM
Awh Gilly  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on July 02, 2009, 23:21:52 PM
Poor Franta and poor you - really hope this is a one off and doesn''t happen again.
Lots of vibes for him to be okay from us here in Lincoln.
Lots of gentle furry cuddles for Franta and  :hug: :hug:  to you too .
Hope the others are all ok too.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 03, 2009, 07:37:44 AM
how is he this morning Gill? Hopefully much better and wont need to see the vets.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 03, 2009, 07:54:35 AM
Just read this before going to work Gill - we can't use internet at work anymore either but I'll look in my lunch break to see if there is any news.

My heart goes out to you as you know I feel like Franta is my own with all the banter we have goin with him and Bonnie.

Thought and prayers are going mad now.

COME ON FRANTA YOU CAN PULL THROUGH IT GUY. :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xxxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on July 03, 2009, 08:07:06 AM
Just caught up again, i do hope this is a one off and that Franta is soon feeling better,sending lots of positive vibes from me and my lot :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on July 03, 2009, 08:17:51 AM
Hope you had a peaceful night Gill.  Don't forget to sort out with vet what happens if Franta needs a vet over weekend Gill.  :hug: to you both.  What about restarting the AB injections?  Is it possible that old infection could have returned? Am just trying to think of questions for vet.  So wish you had MRI facility closer to you. 
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Post by: Mark on July 03, 2009, 08:44:52 AM
Poor Franta - I hope he is better this morning  :ahh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 03, 2009, 08:51:11 AM
Awwww, poor Franta, I hope he's much better this morning with no more attacks during the night?  :hug: xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Leanne on July 03, 2009, 09:29:42 AM
Poor Franta, how is he this morning?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 03, 2009, 11:27:12 AM
Hoping that all is good at your end Gilly! Thinking of you and Franta!  :Luv:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on July 03, 2009, 11:38:19 AM
Sending lots of positive vibes for you and Franta  :Luv2: and hoping no news is good news  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 03, 2009, 11:45:25 AM
 :thanks: everyone for your messages.

Very restless night I had and Franta got onto the bed for cuddles at some point , then wanted stroking down the side of the bed.....sigh.

Just back from vet cos Franta had another small attack just before 0800.

He has been given a short acting steroid injection to reduce any inflamation he may have in his brain and the first of a course of abs, marbocyl, which was what he had before.

We have decided this is the best course of action for him but if it doesnt work then we will have to think again.

The vet said he is looking fantastic and all his vital signs are normal, so hoping we have caught it early this time and maybe no more attacks  :wish:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 03, 2009, 11:49:27 AM
Fingers and toes crossed for you hun  :hug: :hug:

Please give darling Franta a cuddle from me, and hope the injections stop any more attacks.

xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 03, 2009, 11:57:58 AM
Thank you Clare and I will....he loves his strokes and cuddles  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 03, 2009, 12:01:02 PM
Aw sorry he had another attack! Topping up the cuddles for our brave man Franta...and but of course  :hug: for you!  :Luv:

Hope the meds sort him out!  ;)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 03, 2009, 12:03:48 PM
Me too cos now have another 6 injections to give him, the first will be the hardest cos havent done any since Feb. Luckily only one a day starting tomorrow cos he has had first one today from vet.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 03, 2009, 12:06:12 PM
 :scared: I hate needles, never mind having to administer them!  :bow: Is Franta a good patient Gill?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 03, 2009, 12:11:09 PM
Not at the vets LOL but he was very good with me last time and didnt even flinch.......their skin is so tough though and it takes a controlled push to get the needle in.

Actually he was very good today, mainly cos he was exhausted from the attack this morning and not much sleep. He didnt even meow in the car!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 03, 2009, 12:12:09 PM
Aw bless him!  :Luv: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on July 03, 2009, 12:16:52 PM
Aw.  Sorry he's had another attack but I'm sure the Marbocyl will sort him out.  Good luck with the injections  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Leanne on July 03, 2009, 12:30:32 PM
Good luck with the injections, hope Franta doesn't have any more attacks
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 03, 2009, 13:15:33 PM
Hugs, cuddles, kisses, prayers and everything coming your way Mr Blue Eyes.

 :hug:  for you too Gill and good luck with the injections.

Love Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 03, 2009, 13:20:18 PM
Hugs and thoughts are with you and Franta,   hope he is OK.

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on July 03, 2009, 13:44:29 PM
 :( Sorry to hear that Franta is poorly again Gill  :hug:

Thankfully you have some idea this time and can treat him accordingly and hopefully he is much better soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on July 03, 2009, 15:00:05 PM
Sending lots of vibes for Franta  :hug:
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Post by: Millys Mum on July 03, 2009, 15:12:12 PM
Best wishes for you and franta :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 03, 2009, 16:23:51 PM
Hope he goes on ok Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 03, 2009, 16:27:50 PM
Gill, am sending big hugs and gentle cuddles for Fabulous Frantaman.  I know you'll be worrying terribly about him, and hoping all goes well with the injections.   :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 03, 2009, 20:52:04 PM
Thank you everyone  :hug:

I think he may have had another mini attack late this afternoon but afraid I missed it. There was fur all over the floor and things had been moved by the front door  :(

It took a couple of days for the marbocyl to work last time, so am trying to keep an eye on him.

He is being very affectionate but he is scared after an attack, I can see it in his eyes and face  :(

I just hope the meds work as well as last time.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Baggy on July 03, 2009, 21:02:28 PM
:hug: Hope he settles down really quickly,poor boy, he must wonder what is happening.
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Post by: Daisymac on July 03, 2009, 22:38:36 PM
Oh Gill,  loads of hugs for you and Franta,  I hope all will be Ok soon xxx
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 03, 2009, 23:24:30 PM
Lets hope the marbocyl gets working soon.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Stuart on July 04, 2009, 00:37:47 AM
Poor Franta  :(
Hope the wee fella is feeling better today  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 04, 2009, 07:45:40 AM
More positive vibes for our fave Franta~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug: :hug:

Im sure the meds will work Gilly!  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on July 04, 2009, 08:53:01 AM
Loads of positive vibes for Franta :Luv: hope the meds kick in quickly and he starts to feel better :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: JackSpratt on July 04, 2009, 09:50:57 AM
How's Franta today? :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on July 04, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Hope Franta had a good night and meds helping :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 04, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
Franta not too good and I have finally seen a full blown attack, around 0030 this morning. Seems he is now having a full blown seizure as has is rolling arond on his back thrashing and also is slightly wetting himself. I noow know what I thought was also happening cos he has just had another attack and that is he is going blind.  This recovers in about an hour and he can now see again although not 100% I think.

Have just spoken to the duty vet and she says that blindness often happens after a seizure but she thinks he will be happier at home where the surroundings are familiar but is willing to have him in under observation at any time over the weekend.

Last time it took a couple of days for the marbocyl to start working and I have given him his fix this morning but a bit didnt get in cos found it on the bed........sigh. The vet just laughed................

Although the attacks are different and the added blindness, he is not as bad as last time when he was having attacks every hour, and every 3 hours when the marbocyl was started last time, so I am really hoping things will improve.

The problem is that without an MRI it cant be found whether he has a tumour, or whether its something they just cant see  :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 04, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
Oh Gill poor you and poor Franta,  lets hope the meds work soon,  I wish I could offer you more than a  :hug: but I have no experience of this at all.

Thinking of you and Franta and Teabag and Uby say 'getz well sun mayte' xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kay and Penny on July 04, 2009, 13:08:32 PM
is he actually convulsing, Gill?

could it be epilepsy?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on July 04, 2009, 13:09:24 PM
 :hug: :hug:  Poor Franta and you, I'm keeping everything crossed that the meds soon start to help xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 04, 2009, 13:12:57 PM
I dont know what convulsing looks like  :(

No vets dont think its epilepsy, most likely its an infection or a tumour. Suspect the former cos if it was a tumour I dont think it would have got better last time  :wish:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on July 04, 2009, 16:24:27 PM
Think you are right about the infection Gill.

So sorry to hear about poor Frantas turn during the night. Do hope he settles now :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on July 04, 2009, 16:32:49 PM
Poor Franta and poor you - hope its just an infection and he starts to get better real soon.
Lots of healing and get well Franta vibes and big  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 04, 2009, 16:47:21 PM
Topping up with more vibes for Franta, and I hope the meds kick in to stop any further attacks.

 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kirst on July 04, 2009, 18:27:09 PM
Loads of positive vibes for Franta.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Yvonne on July 04, 2009, 18:53:03 PM
Positive vibes coming this way too - is Franta any better?
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Post by: Rosella moggy on July 04, 2009, 20:01:17 PM
Do hope ABs kick in very soon Gill but am pleased it doesn't seem to be as bad as last time   :hug: :hug: :hug:  Am sure it must be right to keep him at home if at all possible.  Are you confining him to a room Gill?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 04, 2009, 21:36:15 PM
He has had another attack tonight but didnt go blind this time, so thats good news at least.

Thanks for all the vibes cos he still needs them  :hug:

No Rosella cos I dont want to stress him but he is in the bedroom where his brother is. He managed to get food and water all over the floor, poor boy and this was only half an hour after I had a long cuddle session with him and he was following me around up there.

Wonder if me leaving made him get stressed ........................... :(

Its so hard not to keep going and stroking him but once he recovered and ate and settled down again, I have left him.....may be it was just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 04, 2009, 22:21:58 PM
 :crossed: :crossed: :catlove2: :catlove2: :catlove2: :blow kiss: :catlove:

Hope he pulls thorough it all again Gill. Try and be strong (easier said than done, I know).

Love Mary  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on July 04, 2009, 22:34:12 PM
Hope he is settled through the night Gill :hug:

Will be thinking about you both
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 04, 2009, 23:18:31 PM
Thank you  :hug:

I am so tired I am off to bed now but suspect I wont get to sleep till after another attack................sigh

Hope the meds kick in tomorrow.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 05, 2009, 03:20:02 AM
Oh what an awful time for Franta and yourself, It must be so devastating for him to go through and you to only be able to watch!  :(

Abs usually take about 48hrs to kick in Gilly.....not long to go now!  :Luv: :hug:

Here's hoping they work their magic on our gorgeous boy!  :care: :ahh: :grouphug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on July 05, 2009, 08:42:20 AM
Gill do hope all was well  lat night and this morning :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on July 05, 2009, 08:54:31 AM
I dont know what convulsing looks like  :(

No vets dont think its epilepsy, most likely its an infection or a tumour. Suspect the former cos if it was a tumour I dont think it would have got better last time  :wish:


 :hug: I think you could be right Gill  :wish: our Timmy had a few convulsions and went totally blind immediately and that was a tumour, Schui just got worse too and that was a suspected tumour so lots of healing vibes heading Frantas way - hoping he's starting to pick up now but abs can take a while to kick in  :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 05, 2009, 10:04:09 AM
Fingers crossed you had a good night and that the ab's kick in soon.
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Post by: Wibblechick on July 05, 2009, 10:07:35 AM
I hope Franta is a little better and that you are OK  :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on July 05, 2009, 10:26:38 AM
Soothing vibes to Mr Frantaman  :cat rub: :cat rub: :cat rub:

and a big  :cuddle: for Auntie Gill

love

Freddie, Billy W, Noni B, Dinah, Millie & Ruby
xxxxxx

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Post by: clarenmax on July 05, 2009, 13:27:43 PM
Hope you and Franta are having a much better day today  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 05, 2009, 18:27:45 PM
Hope he's doing ok and the antibiotics are working.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 00:23:37 AM
 :thanks:  all.

Sorry just rushing through cos need to get Franta upstairs and go to bed.

Was hoping abs would kick in today but he has had 3 attacks the last one around 2230, I was hoping it wasnt gonna happen cos we were way past the time i expected and 11 hours since last attack.

I hope this means we may get through the night without one and maybe they are getting further apart.

Am wondering if he was given bigger doses at the vets the last time at the beginning cos he was much worse then than he has been this time but he is still having the attacks and he eats loads after everyone, and also between.

I feel so sorry for him and he was sitting next to me aqnd I heard a growl.......had forgotten thats what used to happen the first time....and then it srated, so he can feel it coming.

I think he was maybe partially blind after but not for long but he is just out of it and it takes a long time for him to recover and he stays in one place.

He is lying down in the front room at present and I need to get him back upstairs.

Shut me, him and ducha in bedroom last night with food and litter tray, but sleeping with the bedlight on is hard. He had an attack about 0230 and then the next an hour after his jab around 1115 this morning. So he has had 3 attacks every day for 3 days now.

Not sure the abs are working  :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Stuart on July 06, 2009, 05:20:42 AM
So Sorry things have not improved yet Gill  :(

Sending more positive Vibes 4 Franta  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on July 06, 2009, 07:28:40 AM
Im so sorry to hear Franta has had more attacks,you must be so worried :( sending lots of positive vibes for him and  :hug: for you :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on July 06, 2009, 07:45:53 AM
Gill hope Franta had a better night and you were able to get some rest :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 06, 2009, 08:21:50 AM
Really hoping that you both had a better night last night, hoping that the meds are beginning to kick in too!  ;)

More positive vibes being sent!  :care: :ahh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Wibblechick on July 06, 2009, 08:30:12 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: For you and Franta - I hope you both had a decent night and that things are easier today
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on July 06, 2009, 08:45:03 AM
Thinking of you and Franta a great deal Gill and hope he turns the corner today.   :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: tab on July 06, 2009, 09:20:39 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
I hope hes feeling better today and you got some sleep
love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 11:36:31 AM
Franta had another attack this morning, 11 hrs from the last one again.

He had been feeling well enough to get on the bed, although his brother was doing as much as possible to block him...........sigh. Anyway he made it and had taken over all the pillpw and I was dozing off agin and then I heard his teeth start chattering and the drool was coming so put him on the floor cos he jumps and runs and thrashes so safer on floor.

The attacks last well less than a minute and he has now had his injection and had eaten a pouch before that and is lying on the floor in the bedroom fully aware.

Think if I had known when the attack would come I would have slept better butter he also woke me up around 0330 meowing to be stroked, he was and went to sleep by the side of the bed.

Must go and check him now cos its an hour since the injection and last two days had an attack about an hour later.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 06, 2009, 12:05:52 PM
Oh sweetheart,  I am so sorry,  I am sure the meds will start to work soon. 

Lots and lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and Franta.

xxxxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 12:08:28 PM
I do hope they will cos only got 3 more injections to give now, if he is still having attacks by tomorrow will spealk to the vet.

The last 2 attacks were 11 hours apart and if he could just get through the rest of the day without another one I think that would be positive.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kay and Penny on July 06, 2009, 12:09:19 PM
 :hug: :hug:

are you keeping a careful record of the attacks, Gill - time and duration and nature? it could be very important if Franta is referred on - have you spoken to the vet about a possible referral to the Bristol Veterinary Hospital?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: west0405 on July 06, 2009, 12:30:17 PM
Oh Gill  :hug: Give Franta a big hug from me. Can't stop thinking about you both  :hug: Get better again Franta  :hug:

x x x x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 12:39:56 PM
believe it or not but bristol do not have an mri machine! the nearest one that my other vet knew about and considered the specialists could read the mri properly was over cambridge/norfolk way!

otherwise a referral to bristol would probably be the next step.

i am just keeping fingers crossed that the abs will work.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Angiew on July 06, 2009, 13:15:12 PM
hoping that things improve for you and Franta :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: tab on July 06, 2009, 13:18:39 PM
Isnt Chestergate closer to you than Norfolk? Im sure they have an MRI there as my parents dog was done when she hurt her back.
I hope he doesnt have any more fits
love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 06, 2009, 13:19:38 PM
Aw poor baby, hopefully the attacks will stop altogher very soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on July 06, 2009, 13:28:05 PM
Poor Franta  :( pity abs don't work quicker.  It must be awful for you seeing this to Gill it's an awful thing to experience hope you are coping ok  :hug:  :hug:  to you and Franta and hopefully there will be some improvement soon.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on July 06, 2009, 14:03:19 PM
Just caught up with this Gill and so sorry to hear darling Franta is so poorly again. Topping up the healing vibes and lots of  :hug: for both of you.

I hope he starts to feel better soon

Lots of love from Ann, Dylan and Hobbes
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: sheryl on July 06, 2009, 14:05:49 PM
Big  :hug: Gill - thinking of you and Franta and sending heaps of "get well vibes" for the beautiful Franta xxx  So sorry to hear that he is poorly again.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 14:32:30 PM
Sorry dont know where Chestergate is?

The problem as I understand it is there are many places with MRIs but they dont necessarily have the expertize to read the pictures correctly and this would be a brain scan so very important if we were to go down that route.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 06, 2009, 14:44:50 PM
Strengthening the positive healing vibes for our Franta man~~~~~~C'mon Franta!  :Luv2:

Gilly you must be feeling pretty low right now....chin up hun!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 15:14:51 PM
Thanks Baz,,,,,even Purrs wont open for me properly now grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kay and Penny on July 06, 2009, 15:54:26 PM
I suspect it's the place at Newmarket you are thinking of, Gill - considered to be the very best in the country, I beliive

my vet wanted me to go there from Carmarthen with Boycie, and Bristol was the second choice, Newmarket being far too far to go - how odd that Bristol don't have a scanner though - is it because they are considered of limited use in veterinary care?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on July 06, 2009, 16:09:48 PM
Hoping the abs are starting to work and poor Franta doesn''t have any more attacks .
Lots of healing ibes from us all here - lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you especially Mr handsome Franta.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 18:40:01 PM
I dont know trigger.

I am waiting and hoping cos he is very quiet at the moment and if he stayed on schedule the next attack would be about 2130 and just dont want him to have one. He is not very steady on his legs at moment.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on July 06, 2009, 18:43:01 PM
Gill  do  hope the attacks stop, know how worried you must be :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 06, 2009, 18:43:53 PM
Do you know something Gill?

You are one strong and caring lady.  :hug:

You couldn't do any more and Franta knows it.  :Luv2: :Luv2:

C'mon Franta play your part and fight the ruddy thing and get well soon.

 :summer flowers: :ahh: :get well: :red Current:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 18:45:55 PM
Thank you both  :hug:

I dont feel very strong at moment...................the look on that grey cats face is very Franta  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 06, 2009, 18:48:46 PM
Come on Franta,   no more attacks today please little man   :hug:

and so many  :hug: for you Gill

Postive vibes coming from me and my 10,  esp Teabag who has good chats with Fanta on from the cats mouths.

xxxxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kirst on July 06, 2009, 20:39:58 PM
C',on Frantaman  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on July 06, 2009, 21:00:35 PM
Hey Franta babe  :cat rub:.  How ya doing kid?   :hug: :hug:  Try and chill out hunny bun and let the ABs do their bit   :care:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 22:07:05 PM
11 and half hours and counting.........come on Franta you can do it.............I am so stressed LOL....he is stretched out on the carpet in the bedroom and yawning his little head off.

If we could go for 24 hours then maybe just maybe he is coming through it again.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on July 06, 2009, 22:09:08 PM
I am so stressed

....but not giving off stressy vibes Gill  ;)  :innocent:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 06, 2009, 22:13:31 PM
Aw poor you - both of you sound absolutely knackered.

 :crossed: :crossed: :crossed: :luck:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 22:13:43 PM
Well I am downstairs and he is up and by the time I get upstairs to check on him I am exhausted so reckon that covers my stress vibes...........  :shify: :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: JackSpratt on July 06, 2009, 22:17:30 PM
Hope Franta is doing well, Gill.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 06, 2009, 22:22:24 PM
Just logged on to check if Franta is doing OK,  looking good, 

 :hug: :hug: :hug: Gill and Franta,  fingers crossed for a good night x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on July 06, 2009, 22:31:07 PM
 :crossed: for a good night :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 06, 2009, 23:18:00 PM
Hope all is peaceful with you and Franta Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 23:23:57 PM
At the moment it is   :thanks:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on July 06, 2009, 23:34:55 PM
Fingers crossed the abs are begining to work and Franta and you both have a peaceful and positive night :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 06, 2009, 23:36:36 PM
Thank you  :hug:

I am about to go to bed armed with several food dishes and packets of food and it would be great if he was still attack free in the morning
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on July 06, 2009, 23:56:34 PM
 :crossed:   Gill -hope Franta has a stress free and attack free night and no more of them !
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 07, 2009, 04:03:42 AM
 :crossed: :luck: :wish: :care: :ahh:

Hope you are still counting Gilly....Franta you are the man and you can get there!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on July 07, 2009, 07:02:32 AM
Hope you have had a stress and attack free night,  and that things look brighter this morning for you both, lots of positive vibes are coming your way :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on July 07, 2009, 07:48:36 AM
Hope all went well  lat night Gill :hug:

Sending a gentle chin tickle to Franta
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on July 07, 2009, 07:55:49 AM
Fingers crossed he has had no more attacks.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 07, 2009, 08:01:42 AM
Hi Gill,  just to say hope Franta had an attack free night  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on July 07, 2009, 08:11:57 AM
 :crossed:  So hope that ABs have started to kick in again Gill and you managed to get a decent sleep last night  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 07, 2009, 08:58:41 AM
How are you both this morning Gill?  Topping up with more get well soon vibes for Franta, and I hope you're managing to get some rest too  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 07, 2009, 12:12:55 PM
We are now just over 24 hrs without an attack  ;D

I know its early days yet but didnt get a lot of sleep cos he was on/off the bed, lying round my head, then deciding to have a wash and brush up.........................LOL

He is obviously feeling a bit better cos he has come down and gone back up stairs like normal....it was a big effort for him before..........he has hopped up onto the working top and had a look outside, been investigating the front room, the kitchen , the hall and is currently upstairs again.

I will speak with the vet tomorrow cos I also need a replacement for one of the syringes or marcobyl cos it had an airbubble in and I tried to squirt it out but lost too much of the abs. I need to know if he thinks more abs are needed.

I am sure I will flake out somewhere asleep today but still need to keep watch on him and supply endless packets of food, I dont think he is so hungry either which is a good sign.

Thank you all for your support cos it has kept me going for the last few days, dont know what I would have done without you all  :hug: :hug:

Another 24 hours attack free would be great  :innocent:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 07, 2009, 12:18:36 PM
I am so glad you have got through 24 hours,   come on Franta,  keep going,  you can beat this.

 :hug:  to you Gill,  try and get some sleep now.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 07, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
Thats sounding positive Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: JackSpratt on July 07, 2009, 13:04:55 PM
Great stuff, Franta - keep it up!! :)
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Post by: alisonandarchie on July 07, 2009, 13:36:20 PM
Phew what great news, keep it up lad ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 07, 2009, 13:36:55 PM
Excellent news, this is a great sign, hopefully you'll have another 24hrs free from attacks too  :hug:

Do try and get some sleep if you can hun  :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Dawn F on July 07, 2009, 13:37:37 PM
good news, hope he is one the mend
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on July 07, 2009, 14:41:26 PM
Sounds like the Marbocyl is working its magic again fingers crossed that it continues  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 07, 2009, 15:18:16 PM
He is still OK just flat out dopey but cant sleep a bit like me!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on July 07, 2009, 15:59:07 PM
So pleased no more attacks Gill  :)
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Post by: Leanne on July 07, 2009, 16:14:27 PM
Gill I'm just catching up with this  :hug: :hug: to you and Franta
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Post by: Wibblechick on July 07, 2009, 17:18:09 PM
Brilliant news - keeping all fingers and paws crossed that hes through the worst  :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: swampmaxmum on July 07, 2009, 18:03:47 PM
Gill, I've just seen this as tend to 'live' on the health and behaviour bit, focused on my own worries. I'm so sorry to hear that you've had so many problems again and I hope that Franta's going to be ok now and that you manage to cope with all the stress you are under. I know how hard it is to sleep when you are so worried about your little one and just send big hugs  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 07, 2009, 21:04:53 PM
He's a little fighter isn't he? God bless him.  Hope you both get a good night's rest :hug: :Luv2:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 07, 2009, 21:06:59 PM
 :thanks:

He is still OK but a bit quiet and down, which happened after the jab.

Every so often he comes down stairs but he is not forever hungry now which I think is good. Reckon its gonna take his tummy sometime to process the volume he has eaten.

So we are nearly 36 houirs now from an attack and hope its just gonna get better from here on but will speak to the vet tomorrow.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on July 08, 2009, 07:23:44 AM
 ;D Great news, hopefully the abs are doing their job now!  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on July 08, 2009, 07:40:10 AM
Great news  ;D fingers crossed the abs are now working , :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on July 08, 2009, 07:52:02 AM
Hoping Franta had a good night :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Wibblechick on July 08, 2009, 08:10:24 AM
All fingers and paws crossed here  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 08, 2009, 08:59:38 AM
Morning Gill, hope you guys had a peaceful night with no attacks  :hug:

More hugs for Franta baby  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 08, 2009, 09:41:33 AM
This is getting rather promising now!  ;D

Im so glad that the fits are under control, so awful to think of you waiting for them to happen!  :) :(

Here's hoping you and the man had a good rest last night!  ;) :Luv: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 08, 2009, 10:54:20 AM
Hope Franta has had a good night and you have got some sleep Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on July 08, 2009, 11:06:11 AM
Hope Franta is on the mend and has had no more seizures  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 08, 2009, 11:36:29 AM
No more seizures, thats 48 hours now  ;D

Had some sleep for about 5 hours before he started meowing and climbing on bed!

He has been a naughty boy this morning and wouldnt let me give him his injection, he decided he wasnt gonna have it and was kicking and trying to bite me and lost one syringe full all over the place cos it wasnt in properly.........sigh

Am waiting for a vet to ring me cos Gareth is away on a course all this week  grrrrrrrrr and he told me to ring him, also need another syringe of the abs for tomorrow, which I need to collect today.

I am hoping this is the end of the current episode and it would be great if it never recurrs again. I wont feel happy until he has been off the abs for about 3 days and if he is still okay then it will be a big relief.

Thanks so much for your support  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 08, 2009, 12:25:27 PM
I am so glad he seems to be on the mend,   he must be feeling better if he has decided he doesnt want his injection today.  Naughty Boy Franta  :Luv2:

Fingers crossed the progress continues and good luck getting the ABs x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 08, 2009, 12:27:06 PM
he is currently catawauling the place down and dont know why.

have given more food!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 08, 2009, 12:38:00 PM
Glad to hear he's gone that long without any seizures, what a relief! Nerve wracking waiting to see if he stays seizure free after the abs have finished though  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 08, 2009, 12:48:01 PM
Sending more positive vibes for all to be okay after the abs have stopped!  :Luv: :hug:


Do you have to do your massive  :red Current:  to get the syringe Gill?  :scared:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 08, 2009, 12:52:08 PM
Vet has just rang and its the vet that first dealt with him when he was admitted over the weekend back in Feb.

She has said that she thinks the abs should continue until the end of the weekend and then we will take it from there.

so will need to go and collect them soon, do my shopping and I hope he settles before I go out.

Oh yes the vet is giving me one extra syringe in case of accident again  :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 08, 2009, 13:09:32 PM
About to sneakie out and hope that Franta doesnt notice  :shify: :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on July 08, 2009, 13:27:25 PM
Hope you manage to get out without Franta noticing :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: swampmaxmum on July 08, 2009, 13:36:37 PM
holding fingers and paws for you and Franta  :hug:  Yes, always a good idea to have extra injections at home in case of kitty non-co-operation!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 08, 2009, 14:47:25 PM
Franta's gonna get his dancing bananas soon  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kirst on July 08, 2009, 18:27:04 PM
Caterwauling and being cantankerous...............................sounds like he is getting back to normal Birman behaviour to me! ;) :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 08, 2009, 22:23:52 PM
 :rofl: that is so true and the vet said cos he is being noisy it sounds like he is improving!

He wants to be with me all the time and just have to move around sometimes like now, was cold, it was dark with no lights and I left him watching TV but that didnt last long cos just seen him at the door.........sigh

So now have 4 more injections to give him cos although he has had no seizures now for 2 and half days he gets into a kingd of pre-seizure mode where he just stares without seeing but hopefully if he has the rest of the abs then this will stop.

I have two spare syringes of abs  :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 08, 2009, 22:36:21 PM
Keeping fingers crossed for him.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 08, 2009, 23:02:51 PM
 :crossed: :catlove2: :crossed: :yayyy: :crossed: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on July 08, 2009, 23:11:37 PM
Fingers crossed the vet is right and Franta is improving ;D, will keep sending those positive vibes for him and  lots of  :hug: :hug: for you both
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on July 09, 2009, 01:33:58 AM
 :crossed:  the vet is right and hoping they never happen again.
Lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all and the handsome Franta :Luv2: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 09, 2009, 09:12:34 AM
This is all definitely sounding positive Gill, keep up the good work Franta  :hug:  :Luv:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 09, 2009, 09:40:29 AM
Its brilliant news and Im so happy for you both.....Keep up the good work you two!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 09, 2009, 09:45:28 AM
Good Boy Franta,  keep it up.

 :hug: :hug: for you Gill x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Wibblechick on July 09, 2009, 12:44:15 PM
That does sound better   :) - Mr T and Chloe send big PURRS and Im sending  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 09, 2009, 15:03:17 PM
Well Franta has been a very naughty boy this morning and have just come back from the vets where I had to take him for his injection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After his naughtiness yesterday, he would not let me give him an injection today and was wriggling and squirming on his back and if I went near it I was kicked , scratched and even bitten. He made so many lounges at me with his teeth and caught me too.

In the end I phoned up the vet and they said bring him in and a nurse will do it......of course once in his carrier....that was a fight too.........he was an angel and not a peep out of him all the way there. Getting him out of the carrier was another fight!

He shouted at me on the way home but is quiet now but he woke me up at 0630 again and proceeded to howl for 2 hours and huss he must have stopped cos I then fell asleep until the alarm went off.

he has also learnt how to lie so his skin is styretched tight and I cant get hold of anything but fur......I think its been harder this time cos he has all his fur which he didnt have last time............sigh

Only 3 ........................THREE!!!!!!!!!..................more injections to go grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on July 09, 2009, 15:09:48 PM
Naughty means he`s feeling much better, long may the naughtiness continue :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 09, 2009, 15:12:10 PM
Thank you Teresa  :hug:

I agree and think he feels better without the abs but need to make sure that all the infection is gone from his little brain, so although today was to have been the last jab , there are now another 3 because it took them so long to kick in this time.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Leanne on July 09, 2009, 15:14:03 PM
Aww bless him, if his struggling and being that naughty it certainly sounds like his on the mend  :wow:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 09, 2009, 16:05:33 PM
I would say he sounds like he is on the mend,  funny think is you must be glad he is being naughty as it shows some spirit and means he is feeling better.

I am sure he will be back on the cats thread soon talking to Mr T and Teabag about 'goin kampinn and getzing v drunked'  :Luv2:
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Post by: maryas on July 09, 2009, 18:49:06 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Sorry Gill - I love naughty Franta  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:  He's like naughty Mosi  :Luv2: :Luv2:

Mary and Bonnie xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 09, 2009, 19:55:48 PM
I love him naughty too but dont like him biting me LOL......he has been very quiet and studying me since he got home........wonder what he is working out now  :rofl:

I hope that the next 3 jabs go well cos it costs a fortune in petrol to get it done at the vet!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 09, 2009, 19:59:42 PM
I love him naughty too but dont like him biting me LOL......he has been very quiet and studying me since he got home........wonder what he is working out now  :rofl:

I hope that the next 3 jabs go well cos it costs a fortune in petrol to get it done at the vet!

Oh he will be working out exactly how to get you back,  you will be fast asleep and you will be jumped on from a great height,  they dont let you get away with it,  well my lot dont anyway.   You should see what he is planning on the 'cats mouth' forum  :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 09, 2009, 20:05:40 PM
I get scared to go in there  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 09, 2009, 20:11:03 PM
I get scared to go in there  :rofl: :rofl:

Do you know after a  :censored: awful day on here,  I am so pleased to see you happy,  well in a virtual way,  but you know what I mean x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 09, 2009, 20:12:22 PM
Thank you  :hug:

I am not looking forward to tomorrow but I hope I wont lose any sleep over it  :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: west0405 on July 09, 2009, 22:08:07 PM
Hooray for naughtiness!
But  :hug: 's for any puncture wounds you will be nursing for the next few days Gill! :naughty:
x x x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kay and Penny on July 09, 2009, 22:58:05 PM
better get a couple of extra ab syringes for yourself Gill

nasty things, cat's teeth :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 09, 2009, 23:10:41 PM
Yes I think you are right cos just been with him and he still doesnt like me touching his back........sigh

Think he has a long memory!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 09, 2009, 23:23:25 PM
You'll have to wear your gardening gloves for the next injection Gill :rofl: :rofl: :hug: :hug:

Mary  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 09, 2009, 23:29:47 PM
I wish LOL but its hard enough now to try and find skin and not just fur, loads of bloomin gorgeous fur  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 10, 2009, 06:58:09 AM
Good Luck with Frantas jab today....I hope he is a good boy, you know how they like to show one up!  :innocent:

Topping up the hugs and vibes.....to you both!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Stuart on July 10, 2009, 08:08:04 AM
give Franta a head rub from me  :Luv: :care:
and goog luck with todays injection  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 10, 2009, 09:14:40 AM
Hope Franta behaves today to let you do his injection ..... if only they knew we do these things for their benefit  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 10, 2009, 09:17:39 AM
Good luck with the injections,   watch out for the Army they are on maneuvers !!   :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: blackcat on July 10, 2009, 09:27:54 AM
Hang in there Gill - you can do it!!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 10, 2009, 18:55:02 PM
Well I managed it eventually............sigh but can now see an inflamed scratch on my arm and I had to finish trying to get the stuff into him with him rockin and rolling and hanging onto my wrist with his teeth!

He is so naughty but only two more to go.

It wouldnt be so bad but I dont think it hurts him.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kay and Penny on July 10, 2009, 18:56:47 PM
awww Gill - don't be so mean

Franta's only playing :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 10, 2009, 18:57:47 PM
yes i think he is playing but only when i go near his back in the morning!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kay and Penny on July 10, 2009, 19:08:39 PM
just be glad the vet didn't prescribe suppositories :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 10, 2009, 19:10:19 PM
well the diazapam if needed is in a rectal tube .......do not joke  :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 10, 2009, 22:13:36 PM
But the main thing is.....................did Franta enjoy Gill and chips???  You did remember to give him some chips with your skin didn't you?? And don't forget he likes a bit of gravy or jelly on it too :rofl: :rofl: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 10, 2009, 23:08:18 PM
Ooooooooooooo you are wicked  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Tan on July 11, 2009, 00:23:19 AM
Hi Gilly hun

Just seen this so sorry not posted before. I am so glad darlin Franta is feeling better.

Give him a gentle hug from me hun  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on July 11, 2009, 00:37:21 AM
Im glad Franta is feeling better,  ;D hope your arm is too :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on July 11, 2009, 08:29:02 AM
Franta sounds like my cat Daisy Doo Doo,  she is the most mild mannered cat in the world,  would never hurt anyone,  but go near her with Frontline,  Drontal or anything remotely medical and she will have your hand off,  Daisy is always the one we spend literally hours chasing round the kitchen to get anywhere near her to treat her.  I do feel for you Gill becuase it normally takes two of us to even put frontline on her,  I cant imagine having to give her an injection on my own,  I am sure I would be shredded  :shocked:

Anyway,  good luck for today,  Franta be a good boy for Mummy  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 11, 2009, 17:55:48 PM
He wasnt!

The kicking wriggling , biting monster and hope I got about half the stuff in him and the rest in his fur! So tried another hald from the spares and hope that went in but am not sure!

I managed to stab myself and my blood even got on Franta and that was before I had stabbed him......sigh

Had 2 hrs of birman howling this morning from 0600. now I am not good at 0600 and when Franta is shouting I am even less good!

Kast jab tomorrow thank good ness!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 11, 2009, 21:43:06 PM
You should record all this for us to watch Gill  :evillaugh: :naughty: :hug:

Soon be over chuck xx

Mary and Bonnie  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 12, 2009, 10:50:55 AM
Hope today's jab goes smoothly for you Gilly....What a palava!   :tired:

Bet you wouldnt have it any other way though especially when you know our your gorgeous Franta is on the mend!  ;)

Lots of  :Luv: and  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you both! x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 12, 2009, 23:48:59 PM
Thank you both.

I managed to get him just after he woke up and the last jab now given, thank goodness  ;D

But now the waiting game to see if he is Ok now they have finished, he seems to be Ok between jabs and has been to the bottom of the garden today investigationg.

He was very shouty last night and not sure if I fell asleep cos he went quiet or what. Ducha wasnt helping cos he was chasing Franta or was it the other way round!

A nice quiet night would be lovely  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: JackSpratt on July 12, 2009, 23:52:01 PM
A nice quiet night would be lovely  ;D

For you and me both! ;) Hope the abs did their job. :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 12, 2009, 23:53:39 PM
A quiet night doesn't exist for cat owners  :evillaugh: :rofl: :Luv2: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie   :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 13, 2009, 00:18:30 AM
It used to  :shify: :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Judecat (Paula) on July 13, 2009, 00:28:59 AM
Well I managed it eventually............sigh but can now see an inflamed scratch on my arm and I had to finish trying to get the stuff into him with him rockin and rolling and hanging onto my wrist with his teeth!

He is so naughty but only two more to go.

It wouldnt be so bad but I dont think it hurts him.

I think it may hurt you more. :rofl: At least Franta is feeling better.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on July 13, 2009, 09:15:39 AM
Glad you've finally finished the abs  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on July 13, 2009, 09:25:27 AM
Glad Franta is seeming better and hopefully the abs have done the trick  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on July 13, 2009, 13:10:47 PM
More positive vibes being sent as now the abs are finished~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:

I think the pair of you need some good quality time out in that garden of yours, so he knows your mind is back on the greenhouse and not on getting him jabbed!  ;)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on July 13, 2009, 13:58:40 PM

A nice quiet night would be lovely  ;D

...but then you'd worry why they were being so quiet  :-:  Glad he's finished the ABs - I'm sure he'll be fine
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 13, 2009, 14:03:16 PM
Another noisy night but he is very quiet now
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 13, 2009, 17:15:32 PM
Noisy night? was you having a party??  :evillaugh: :rofl:

Fingers crossed for a quiet night tonight then  :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on July 13, 2009, 17:18:21 PM
No but reckon Franta was shouting to the Army to come for a party  :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on July 13, 2009, 17:21:58 PM
Bless him - Charlie's army has more fun than I do :rofl:

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 16, 2009, 08:50:30 AM
Franta had a small seizure this morming about 15 mins ago and we are now off to the vets,

Its only 2 months since last lot which ih half the time between the time he was first ill and the second bout.

He was doing so well and slept on my pillow most of the night, he looks really well too  so this is so sad :(

His normal vet is not there today nor the other vet he saw so dont know what the vet will be like that we are seeing.
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Post by: Dawn F on September 16, 2009, 08:52:08 AM
I'm sorry Gill  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on September 16, 2009, 09:03:37 AM
Sorry Gill  :( - good luck today  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on September 16, 2009, 09:05:14 AM
Sorry to hear this Gill  :hug:

Best of luck at the vets today, and hope this is just a little Blip in Franta's recovery  :hug: xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Liz on September 16, 2009, 09:19:24 AM
Gill all paws crossed here for you and Fanta :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on September 16, 2009, 09:30:38 AM
Sorry about Franta Gill, hope that it is just a minor one but good idea to get him straight to the vets, best of luck  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: JackSpratt on September 16, 2009, 10:48:43 AM
Good luck at the vets. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 16, 2009, 11:47:27 AM
Oh not again Gilly...Positive vibes for darling Franta~~~~~Best of luck at the vets!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 16, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
Back from vets and he is back on marbocyl injections.

The vet thinks that he may have a slow growing lesion on his brain but seems to agree that MRI is not the way to go cos he may not survive it cos of the travelling and the stress, also his age with only one working kidney and the anesthetic.

The MRI would maybe only confirm something like this and just that it is not treatable so while the marbocyl has worked twice, we try it again.

Trouble is its only two months since he was ill last time, and before was 4 months between.

Everything externally about him is fine and also temperature, just the same as before, so apart from the seizures he has no symptoms.

He did start moulting a lot two days ago and this could be stress from either him starting to feel ill again or maybe upset at me cos of me working on shed everyday and yesterday I wqas out all afternoon too. He is a sensitive little soul but his good looks got the vet and staff all Oooooooing and ahhhhhhhhhing LOL

Another 6 days of stress for me and injections  :shify: :shify:

I am so tired.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on September 16, 2009, 12:10:16 PM
Aw Gill, what are we going to do with him?  Our little blue eyed man keeps getting us so worried.

Good luck with the injections and try and get some sleep - if Franta will let you  :hug: :Luv2:

Come on Franta, snap out of it.  :Luv2:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 16, 2009, 12:31:22 PM
I'm so sorry. Imho the MRI wouldn't help his treatment. I think you are already doing everything you can.  Just an off centre thought but how is Franta's bp? I was told via Prof Gunn Moore that lower bp may well help with any brain or vestibular symptoms and to a great extent, it (and selgian) really has with Swampy. He had brain lesions from an accident though, which meant high doses of steroid injections, so it may not be the same at all.  all the best :hug:
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Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on September 16, 2009, 15:53:00 PM
So sorry to hear Franta is not doing too well today Gill, you must be so stressed, tired and worried.  Try to take it easy, I know easier said than done.  Big hugs xxxx  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Dawn F on September 16, 2009, 15:58:51 PM
poor Franta - have they said how this will progress?  it is something that they will expect to happen (so you could have ab's on hand) or is it more hit and miss?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 16, 2009, 16:01:49 PM
Cant add anything Gilly....Just wanted to send some of  :cuddle: :cuddle: :cuddle: for you and  :ahh: for the big man! x
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 16, 2009, 17:44:08 PM
What a worry - hope the marbocyl keeps things at bay Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 16, 2009, 17:45:25 PM
Nobody has any idea how this will progress and its totally hit and miss and he was doing so well last night and slept on my pillow most of the night, the seizures come right out of the blue.

He is currently fast asleep in his corner, Ducha stole the laundry basket a couple of weeks ago despite having 3 beds that he uses plus mine.......sigh.

His BP was last checked when he was ill the first time and normal and I would expect it goes up when he has an attck and then back to normal again.

To be honest I dont want to play around with what we know works for him, which is the marbocyl and I was just reducing the lacto B grrrrrrrrrrrr cos these abs wipe out his poor tummy.

I had two injections of the abs in the fridge , well syringes they fill for me but they were two months old and thats too old.

Now I have another 8, 6 for use and 2 spare and do hope he will not be a naughty boy tomorrow but I get nervous when starting all this again.

Have just fallen asleep for a couple of hours but just exhausted,

Thank you for all your good wishes, it really helps  ;D
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Post by: Millys Mum on September 16, 2009, 18:02:20 PM
Best wishes for you and franta  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 16, 2009, 18:30:20 PM
Gill, am so pleased you were able to bring him back home with you, although quite understand how worrying this is, given that it's less time between seizures this time around.  Am sending both of you huge hugs from me and The Padster, and hope you both manage to get some welcome rest.   :cuddle: :cuddle: :cuddle:  We love Beautiful Ole Blue Eyes, and all positive vibes coming your way.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: sheryl on September 16, 2009, 20:28:29 PM
Thinking of you and beautiful Franta  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 16, 2009, 20:32:37 PM
 :thanks:

Just humped another dish of food upstairs for him and gonna be sure his tummy stays full, cos think that helps for some reason.

He doesnt want to come down stairs and would prefer if he stayed away from them for a few days, especially at night.

Thinking back I shut the bedroom door at night last time cos was scared of him falling down them at night if he had a seizure.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bonnielass on September 16, 2009, 20:36:28 PM
Just caught up with this, im so sorry to hear Franta has had a setback, it must be so worrying for you, i hope the Abs kick in a the gorgous Franta soon feels better :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 16, 2009, 21:32:47 PM
Afraid that theory has gone out the window and while I was writing a post thought I heard a crash and franta by side of my bed having another seizure, nearly exactly 12 hrs from the first one  :(

He wanted to be alone after about half an hour and pretty certain he didnt fall off the bed and have checked him as best as I could but he doesnt seem to be hurt.

Such a bloomin worry that he will hurt himself while he is out of control.

He ate a dish of food and looks like we are at least in for two in 24 hrs,,,,,previous ones have been at quite regular intervals once we have got the routine sorted.

Hell I am jumping at every single sound in case its Franta, just been upstairs but he is Ok , must have been the boiler coming on grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: **TINA** on September 16, 2009, 22:32:29 PM
Have just noticed this   :hug: :hug: to you and Franta xx  :ahh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 16, 2009, 22:43:33 PM
Really sorry to hear this Gill  :hug: 

One thing is for absolute definite, he couldn't possibly be in better, more caring hands.  Hope this latest bout doesn't last long and the ABs work their magic quickly  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 16, 2009, 23:08:58 PM
Hope this latest bout doesn't last long and the ABs work their magic quickly  :hug:

Yep, I'll second that  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on September 16, 2009, 23:21:51 PM
Do hope he settles now Gill :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 16, 2009, 23:25:02 PM
Thank you and so do I cos its horrible to watch even though it lasts quite a short time, the after effects last for a long time, poor boy  :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Wibblechick on September 16, 2009, 23:28:39 PM
Thinking of you and Franta  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on September 16, 2009, 23:42:36 PM
Poor Franta and poor you .
Hope the abs work and he gets better really quickly .
Lots of healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug:  to the handsome boy .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 17, 2009, 00:20:40 AM
Oh heck! This much be such an awful worry all round.....Thinking of you all and really hoping a peacefull night is had!  :wish: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 17, 2009, 07:16:04 AM
Gill, just caught up with this this morning.  What sort of night have you had?   :hug: :hug:

Thinking about you both.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on September 17, 2009, 07:29:05 AM
Hope that Franta has had a good night  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Leanne on September 17, 2009, 08:56:45 AM
Oh no, I didn't see this yesterday, poor Franta and poor you  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: pappilon on September 17, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
Gill, i hope Franta is feeling better today and you managed to get some rest.
Thinking of you and Franta. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 17, 2009, 13:07:00 PM
Adraid Franta no better.

He had a seizure at 0300 and oner at 1200 and he is still lying very still and quiet getting over it.

I slept not too bad considering and we are sleeping with the bed light on for Franta so its not completely dark.

Poor boy gets exhausted after a seizure and aslo goes blind for while. He knocked over the water dish and one food bowl ended up on other side of room, water every where and he was soaked.

I am now exhausted again too and cant stop my hands shaking.

He had his injection around 1030 but knew what was coming and was lying on his back looking defiant. We had a big fight and he then wasnt talking to me, its so sad and am sure that is making him stressed, it certainly is stressing me.

Just been looking at his records and the seizures lasted for 4 days last time, I do hope not so long this time  and last time and now, very different to the first time. They come on quicker and dont think they are so violent but it maybe he cant fight them now as he was which makes them happen quicker and easier.

Have to go and get some cat food in about 20 mins, we go through nearly a box in a day! Best time to go out I have decided is after him having a seizure and wont be very long cos am going locally.

Just hope he improves soon
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Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on September 17, 2009, 13:30:47 PM
Gill this must be so upsetting to witness  :(

I hope Franta gets through this very soon  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 17, 2009, 13:36:34 PM
Thank you cc, it is and then between times he is just nearly the normal Franta and that makes it so very hard  :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 17, 2009, 14:00:45 PM
Sending positive vibes Franta's way  :hug: Easier said than done I know, but try and not let the stress get to you as I'm sure he'll pick upon that too  :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on September 17, 2009, 14:43:13 PM
:care: Hope things settle down again soon, Gill.
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Post by: clarenmax on September 17, 2009, 14:54:41 PM
Hope Franta's seizures stop again soon Gill, but in the meantime, thinking of you  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 17, 2009, 14:59:10 PM
Hope them abs start working on him soon Gilly and the fits ebb away....Poor, poor Franta and poor, poor you!  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Thinking of you all x
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 17, 2009, 15:30:40 PM
Sorry to read this, Gill  :hug:  I hope the abs kick in and the seizures stop soon. 
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Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on September 17, 2009, 15:37:22 PM
Hoping Ol' Blue Eyes starts to pick up. :care:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 17, 2009, 15:55:03 PM
Sending positive vibes Franta's way  :hug: Easier said than done I know, but try and not let the stress get to you as I'm sure he'll pick upon that too  :hug:

That goes for me too  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 17, 2009, 16:26:08 PM
Thank you all  :hug:

Have just been up to check on him and he is not sleeping but just lying there but seems OK just very quiet. I so wish there was more I could do for him but he also does not want a lot of attention.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 17, 2009, 17:22:18 PM
I'm so sorry Gill and hope the seizures pass asap. I imagine just wanting to be alone is his way of coping.  I don't know if you are a member but there is a yahoo support group for people with littlies who have seizures. It may give some little bit of support to you? I know how hard it is and how helpless you feel.  Franta knows how much you care and love him and increasingly I'm realising that that's about all you can do sometimes.
 :hug: :hug: look after yourself too
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 17, 2009, 17:50:31 PM
Hope the seizures stop soon, must be very frightening to see a cat having a seizure.  :hug:
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on September 17, 2009, 18:02:38 PM
Sorry to hear Franta is poorly again, thinking of you and hoping he feels better soon  :hug:
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Post by: Baggy on September 17, 2009, 18:45:57 PM
Poor Franta, he must feel peculiar.  Hoope the medicine works soon and that you feel better too :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 17, 2009, 19:51:31 PM
Gill very sorry to hear that Franta had a rough night and do hope the meds will kick in very soon :hug:

Know how exhausted and worried you will be feeling :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on September 17, 2009, 20:59:34 PM
Im so sorry to hear Franta is having more siezures and hope his meds start working soon, it must be so distressing for both of you and my thoughts are with you  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 17, 2009, 21:02:00 PM
Thank you, you are very kind  :hug:

Franta is 9 hrs and counting, which makes me feel very good  ;D

It would be wonderful if the abs had kicked in already.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on September 17, 2009, 21:08:15 PM
 :crossed: for Franta

iit certainly looks as if he is not having anything major like that first time, Gill
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Post by: maryas on September 17, 2009, 21:26:46 PM
 :catlove2: :luck: :lick: :catlove: :ahh:

And a  :hug: for you too Gill.

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Kirst on September 17, 2009, 21:47:38 PM
Sending loads of hugs for the special Franta-man.


And then some more for his Mum. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 17, 2009, 21:52:05 PM
 :thanks:

I tiptoed upstairs a few mins ago and he was fast asleep and thats so nice to see  ;D

Nearly 10 hrs now  :innocent:
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Post by: maryas on September 17, 2009, 21:56:18 PM
Please God let it continue.  :hug: :hug: :Luv2:

Mary
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 17, 2009, 22:35:14 PM
Great news ;D
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Post by: Janeyk on September 17, 2009, 22:41:28 PM
That's is really good news, hope it lasts  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on September 18, 2009, 09:22:56 AM
Excellent news, hope today brings even more good things  :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on September 18, 2009, 09:23:40 AM
hope all is still going well
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 18, 2009, 13:16:06 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: for both of you
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 18, 2009, 13:19:11 PM
Hoping that the gap has been longer this time Gilly..... :hug: :hug: :hug:

His last known to me seizure was at 11.15pm last night....Poor Gilly is exhausted....just hope them abs start making them few and far between!  :wish: :cuddle: :ahh: :grouphug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 18, 2009, 13:35:32 PM
Was so hoping he wouldn't have another but I suppose that was quite a long gap since the previous one.  I do so hope,
- You otherwise both had some decent rest overnight
- You've managed to give his injection this am at the appointed time (10.30?)
- and you are being careful if you are back working on the green house roof

 :cuddle: from me and my lot Gill

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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 18, 2009, 18:49:57 PM
Thanks Baz and there have been two more since then, the last at 1630 and I knew it was coming and so did he for about an hour before. He suddenly wanted food and was drinking and I could see his little head trembling.

Its so violent for 30 secs to minute and then howling, blind and eventually gobbling food and then he lies down on his tummy for a long time.

He had followed me downstairs about an hour or more earlier cos I needed to eat but getting down the stairs was a big effort for him and very careful, no rushing like normal. Same going back up.

The seizures are slightly closer together now and that happened last time and then there was a longer gap and then they stopped, so am hoping that will happen this time too. Whether that will be tomorrow I dont know but we are on day 3 or is it 4 grrrrrrrrrrr my head cant work it out.

Have been with him for all seizures and that short time totally exhausts me, so no wonder he is tired and of course he gets upset cos he cant see or see very little for a time and meows pityfully.

I have a feeling that he doesnt remember them after so is confused as to why he is feeling like he does and why he is too tired to move.

I have to go out later to supermarket cos reckon I have at least 6hrs before the next one but more likely 9 hrs....if we get to 11 then I will be very happy.
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 18, 2009, 18:58:14 PM
Gill so  sorry that Franta had more seizures :hug:
I just really hope those meds will start working very soon
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Post by: maryas on September 18, 2009, 20:11:43 PM
 :oh noo: :cuddle: I think I would be hysterical by now watching that happen - but then again I suppose you find strength from somewhere to be calm for them.

Good luck tonight Gill.

Love yer Franta.  :'( :Luv2: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 18, 2009, 21:53:05 PM
Poor chap, he must be feeling bewildered, hope you are holding up ok Gill  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on September 18, 2009, 21:59:47 PM
 :hug: for you both it must be a worry, hope things soon ease off xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 18, 2009, 23:21:41 PM
 :thanks:

It took until day 4 or 5 last time before he finally stopped having seizures and think its day 4 tomorrow cos he is on 4th injection tomorrow morning............:wishing:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 19, 2009, 03:38:42 AM
Wishing Franta and yourself forward to day 5....Friday must of been a terrible day for you both!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 19, 2009, 10:11:21 AM
 :hug: for you both.  Fingers crossed things start getting better now that you getting to day 5.
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 19, 2009, 13:13:14 PM
Do hope Franta had a good night :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 19, 2009, 13:45:17 PM
Well, Franta is the naughtiest cat I know!!

The good part is that he has not had another seizure since 1630 yesterday  ;D

The bad part is that he made me lose two injectins this morning and we had to go to the vets to get it done, so one very very stressed ranta and injection nearlt 3 hours late.

I do hope that his good progress isnt going to be affected by today and bring back the seizures.

He slept on my pillow most of the night but still feel like I have had no sleep.

I didnt like the vet today and he is the emergency vet tomorrow and tonight, so do not want to have to go back tomorrow.

What he did say however is that he wonders if Franta is epileptic and I asked him why then doesnt Franta have seizures all the time without months of breaks. He said that seizures can come in clusters like with Franta and if it happens again then blod needs testing.

It was tested the first time and nothing showed but maybe not the right test, I know Rachel was also testing BP and for diabetes, cos of the eating but all was OK.

Its so hard to know what to do because the marbocyl seems to work each time, but would he be the same without it? I dont think I am prepared to watch and wait through days of seizures that could kill him, rather than use the marbocyl when he seems to get better. I dont know if the two vets I have seen since Rachel are just parrotting what she said rather than thinking for themselves as the vet this morning did,

I cant remember if Rachel mentioned epilepsy cos at the time we were note calling his attacks seizures but they are without doubt and only I have seen the full force of them.

I have  very painful claw damage to the palm of my right hand from yesterdays episode ouch ouch.

I think that Franta is being naughty cos he is feeling better and if we can get through to 24 hrs without another seizure then think we maybe coming through this one. He is quite dodery on his legs and his head movement is a bit stiff, that could be from yesterday cos he may have strained his neck a bit.

Think he needs to sleep now and trying to keep him away from top of the stairs..........sigh
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 19, 2009, 13:52:26 PM
Well if Franta is starting to be naughty you know that is a good sign!  ;D

Sounds rather ouchy your injection saga...hope the vet trip hasnt affected him too bad as to bring on more attacks!  :hug:

I suppose it could be epilepsy as it can begin at any age....It would probably be easily treated also without further attacks!  ;)

Looking forward to day 5 still but I do think its fab he hasnt had one since 4.30pm yesterday!  ;) :Luv: :hug: :hug:

You will get through this!  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: **TINA** on September 19, 2009, 13:59:02 PM
Glad to hear Franta is being naughty   :naughty:

 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 19, 2009, 14:15:33 PM
he is downstairs and up on the desk....so must be feeling better....i am not sure if it was epilepsy that would be the case, cos presumably he would feel better between seizures?

i have read that treating epilepsy in cats is nigh on imposible as the meds are unreliable and cause big side effects.

he has his head on my arm cos he is tired but just wants to be touching me.....so sweet and trusting now lol

his head is a bit trembly.

just got his insarance renewal and despite about £2000 claimed this year, his increase is the same as the others and they have all gone up about £1 a month ,,,,,,phewwwwww
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 19, 2009, 14:19:02 PM
Im just going with what I know about human epilepsy Gill....Did'nt know it was so hard to treat in cats..... :( :hug:

Glad he has forgiven you now (or should you be forgiving him?  :shify:  :shoosh: ) And bless him being near his mum for reassurance....thats nice!  :Luv2: :hug:

Glad to hear the premium has only gone up such a little.....Now if it were car insurance!  :innocent: ;) :hug:
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Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on September 19, 2009, 14:22:33 PM
Glad he's doing better today  :)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 19, 2009, 17:05:39 PM
Franta has just past 24 hrs without a seizure   ;D
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 19, 2009, 17:18:46 PM
Wonderful news ;D
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 19, 2009, 17:20:59 PM
 :thanks: Alison  ;D
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 19, 2009, 17:25:51 PM
 :garf: :grouphug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 19, 2009, 17:26:17 PM
 :crossed:
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Post by: clarenmax on September 19, 2009, 17:28:50 PM
This is great news Gill, fingers crossed he won't have any more now, sounds like he's turned a corner again  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 19, 2009, 17:38:05 PM
Thanks all and hope I will sleep well tonight......dont get too excited Baz LOL, at 48 hrs I will believe it  ;D
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Post by: maryas on September 19, 2009, 18:10:42 PM
Further to my last PM Gill - I want to see lots of bananas  :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 19, 2009, 19:11:23 PM
Patience patience LOL...........this time tomorrow maybe  ;D
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Post by: Janeyk on September 19, 2009, 22:53:09 PM
Hope that Franta has another good night  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 19, 2009, 23:05:13 PM
Thank you and so do I....some space on the pillow for me too would be nice LOL

He has been wandering about the house tonight, re-exploring I think. He just best be good tomorrow for his jab!

He still is a bit wobbly but guess thats to be expected and the abs have done his stomach again,,,,,,,,,need some pegs!
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Post by: bunglycat on September 19, 2009, 23:21:09 PM
Glad Franta is feeling better -hope it continues and no more seizures  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on September 19, 2009, 23:59:44 PM
Glad to hear Franta is feeling better and fingers crossed for a peaceful night for you both :hug:
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Post by: maryas on September 20, 2009, 10:07:20 AM
Wakey wakey Gill, must be time for Franta's injection  :Luv2:  Hope he is good for you this morning.

Really hope you both had a good night too.

Mary and Bonnie x
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 20, 2009, 14:03:08 PM
Hoping no more seizures.....Good luck with the jab, hope he isnt his usual naughty self!  :naughty: :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 20, 2009, 18:00:07 PM
Hope the tentative dancing banana can become  an assured dancing banana  ;)  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 20, 2009, 18:10:24 PM
 :yayyy:

                                     :yayyy:

No seizures for 48 hours plus  ;D

It took me two stabs     tries to get injection in but made it  ;D

He is still eating a lot and needs food about every 3 to 4 hours but as long as no seizures I dont care  ;D

Thank you everyone for your support and am sure Franta would like to thank you all too, we have two more injections to get through but I am feeling much happier today  ;D but as you can see dont want to go overboard yet  :shify:


                                                        :yayyy:

                                                                                                       :yayyy:

I made a right mess of that lol, hope it looks OK now........sigh

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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on September 20, 2009, 18:14:10 PM
Well Done Franta, I`ll bet you feel 100 years yoiunger now  :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 20, 2009, 18:15:37 PM
That sounds like good news  ;D
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 20, 2009, 18:18:16 PM
He is certainly acting younger and more like his old self Teresa, still a little way to go though
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Post by: Wibblechick on September 20, 2009, 19:03:18 PM
Awww Thats good news

 :hug: :hug: :hug: For you and Franta :)
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Post by: Janeyk on September 20, 2009, 19:12:42 PM
 :) Really pleased to hear this Gill and glad you're coping ok  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 20, 2009, 22:28:57 PM
 :thanks:  both  ;D
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Post by: maryas on September 20, 2009, 22:30:39 PM
 :wooooo: :yayyy: :blow kiss: :feed: :feed: :clap: :yayyy:

Well done to you both.

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: bunglycat on September 20, 2009, 22:49:51 PM
Thats really great news  ;D  Hope he continues to be okay
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 20, 2009, 23:06:46 PM
Thank you and so do I
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Post by: Reynard on September 20, 2009, 23:26:45 PM
Way to go, Frantaman!  :dance:

Been following this from afar as have been away at Rockingham doing what a girl's gotta do. It's kinda hard to take photos with fingers ant toes crossed... :shy:

Glad the fella seems to be on the mend, Gilly.  :phew:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 20, 2009, 23:27:51 PM
Thanks Witty thats is so appreciated  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 21, 2009, 03:39:15 AM
Fantastic news Gilly I am so happy for you both!  :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :Flowers:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 21, 2009, 07:03:59 AM
Gill, am very pleased to read the news this morning.   ;D  Me and Pad are sending 'ole blue eyes a big pleased "pppprrrfffpppptt" and hoping his explorations and munchies are of the happiest.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on September 21, 2009, 09:17:59 AM
 :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 21, 2009, 10:44:47 AM
 :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 21, 2009, 12:18:46 PM
I am scratched to bits after a fight over an injection  >:(

Still one more to go!

He slept on my pillow off and on last night and at one point was cuddling his head against my face but in the end had to get up cos was too hot and starting to itch. Then had to get up a number of times cos itching got so bad  :(

He seems to want to be with me all the time and foloows me everywhere like he is scared I am going to go off andf leave him when its dark.

Although sweet this does worry me a bit cos I think it shows he is still not feeling good but also is very insecure right now.

I wish I could stop worrying about him.
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Post by: Dawn F on September 21, 2009, 12:22:47 PM
bless him, surely fighting means he is on the mend
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 21, 2009, 12:24:01 PM
I hope so Dawn but he is still wobbly on his legs and his head also  :(
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 21, 2009, 13:31:42 PM
Hope Franta has a good day :hug:

Thankgoodness only 1 injection to go :shify:
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Post by: maryas on September 21, 2009, 20:36:18 PM
 : :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 21, 2009, 20:38:10 PM
I hope so Dawn but he is still wobbly on his legs and his head also  :(

Aw Im sure this must take a lot out of him...and you too! Hopefully no more and YAY only one more jab to go!  ;) :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 21, 2009, 23:05:30 PM
Thank you  :hug:

Yes the only one jab is the best for me and guess I must try to be quicker tomorrow morning.

He is moving around the house slowly to find me but he is not so hungry anymore which is a good sign........a box of pouches a day is rather a lot  ;D

So hope he stays well for a very long time.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 22, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Hoping the jab went okay?  :shify: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 22, 2009, 12:52:30 PM
Last jab completed . lost a bit but most went in.....his skin is so tough!

Now the next worry phase , as the abs leave his system! This is all so hard but they should be gone in around 48 hrs.

Right now he is defiantly lying at the top of the stairs with a naughty glint in his eyes. He has a very defiant smug look on his face and I am sure that he is plotiing something horrible for me, to get revenge..........as long as he stays Ok , I dont care  ;D
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Post by: Kay and Penny on September 22, 2009, 12:55:13 PM
anything lying at the top of the stairs is a health hazard - with or without the defiant glint :shify:
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Post by: Janeyk on September 22, 2009, 13:03:08 PM
 ;D glad that last jab is done and Franta sounds much better  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 22, 2009, 13:08:16 PM
I have been trying for the last 3 days to keep him away from top of stairs but have had to let him for last two days...its definately a health hazard to me cos he tries to catch my legs and feet when I try to get past grrrrrrrrrrrr  :rofl:
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Post by: maryas on September 22, 2009, 13:29:30 PM
Love him, just bloody love him  :devil: :devil:

Mary and Bonnnie xx
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Post by: clarenmax on September 22, 2009, 13:47:01 PM
Phew, glad the last injection is done now Gill  :hug:

What is it with cats and the tops of stairs?!  Poot is the same, then he'll diagonally weave in front of you at least 3 times on the way down, I think they all have a master plan  :shify: :-:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 22, 2009, 16:06:20 PM
I think you are right Clare, Franta will stop suddenly under my feet and he knows it works besy when I am carrying something so I cant see him  :shify: :shify:

Yes Mary little devil is just about right  ;D

However I love my little devil and thinks he loves me  ;D........did I steal that lol
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Post by: Janeyk on September 22, 2009, 16:14:00 PM
We don't have stairs but you can guarantee Byron will always be infront of my feet ready to trip me up  :naughty: just last night I nearly went flying!
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 22, 2009, 16:16:28 PM
Mine are horrors for that too, they also grab my dressing gown which makes me sharply come to a halt!  :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 22, 2009, 18:17:46 PM
Last jab completed . lost a bit but most went in.....his skin is so tough!

Now the next worry phase , as the abs leave his system! This is all so hard but they should be gone in around 48 hrs.

Right now he is defiantly lying at the top of the stairs with a naughty glint in his eyes. He has a very defiant smug look on his face and I am sure that he is plotiing something horrible for me, to get revenge..........as long as he stays Ok , I dont care  ;D

Defiant glint sounds good to me  ;)  Good work  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Kay and Penny on September 22, 2009, 18:20:23 PM
I have been trying for the last 3 days to keep him away from top of stairs but have had to let him for last two days...its definately a health hazard to me cos he tries to catch my legs and feet when I try to get past grrrrrrrrrrrr  :rofl:


have you provided for him in your will, by any chance, Gill :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 22, 2009, 18:29:08 PM
Not yet so he could miss out big time trigger  :rofl: :rofl:

He is hear with me at the moment and sitting at the side of the end of Misas flicking tail!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 23, 2009, 12:43:00 PM
First morning without a jab and swear he keeps telling me he wants one!

We are now in the throws of meoooooooooowwwwwwww  repeatedly to get attention and he is wandering round the house very very slowly. Its like he has aged by 50 years  :(

I hope that he will just get back to his normal self but seems he just wants permanent attention and is now back lying at my elbow..........I think this is going to be a very long day..........sigh
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Post by: Kay and Penny on September 23, 2009, 13:02:18 PM
he wants reassurance, I suppose

but at least you don't have to keep on going upstairs to check on him if he never leaves your side :)
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 24, 2009, 07:21:29 AM
 :shify:  Aherm.  Aunty Gilleeee - I jus' wants ter say dat dem Norty glints duz takes it owt of yer a bit when yoo's gettin' on, so I finks dat me frend Ole Bloo Eyes is jus needin der bits 'o' time ter gets 'imself pulled tergevver.    :hug: :hug:    :shify:

Paddy xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 24, 2009, 14:04:06 PM
Oh Paddy you are so wise and am sure you are right, thank you for helping me with this  :hug:

He is back by my side again on the desk after keeping me awake , so I am shattered................he is a sleep and I want to be  :innocent:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 24, 2009, 14:52:06 PM
How long usually before he gets back to normal after the attacks and the abs Gill?  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 24, 2009, 19:42:01 PM
After a seizure it can take a few hours of rest although his sight comes back within an hour I think but he doesnt want me around cos he lies in one place after eating every thing he wants. Also this time he was in the bedroom all the time so knew his way around.

I would stay withb him for about half an hour talking and stroking him but after that time he wanted to be left alone.

This time the abs worked after 3 days I think and then the seizures just stop. He has been off ABs now for 2 days and is OK but it will take him a few weeks to get back to his normal self.

The first time he had more seizures closer together but the abs werent started until 2 days after his first seizure cos the idiot vet scratched his head and gave stuff for Frantas ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank goodness for a decent vet although we are not with her any more because of him needing the 24/7 coverm all the others are though.

The second time happened 4 months after the end of the fiirst time and he started ABs within 24 hrs but had already had 2 seizures by then and it too about 4-5 days for the abs to work.

This time he had the ABs within 3 hrs of the first seizure and the seizures stopped in 3 days and they were all further apart than previously but they started only 2 months after the batch before.

He is now up and down the staits but he is not very strong going up but think that is just muscle wastage cos he is getting stronger all the time. He pops up onto the desk again but 3 days ago he had problems doing that.

He is not the same as he was prior to all this starting and it takes away his confidence but he was going out into the garden once a day to eat some grasss and sit in the sun and just bedore this time he spent quite a while just sitting outside but right now he doesnt leave the house.

There are no warning signs prior to the seizures starting again, just suddenly bang, although looking back at all my notes I thought I coould see signs of then stopping...........he has 2 seizures closish together and then a long gap and then they stopped.

I am hoping that tomorrow he will still be Ok, cos the abs should be out of his system but after that who knows,

He is keeping me awake at night shouting and am very tired right now but he is not eating the vast quanties that he was........12 pouches a day, we were going through,,,not all eaten but were are back to about half of that now and he is just jelly licking again.

Trying to make sure he has wet food available all the time and he has one in the evening, one before bed and another during the night and then another when we get up....all shared with his bro who is hardly bloomin eating grrrrrrrrrrrr. They also have biscuits avaiable all the time.

I have posted on Lotties thread and suggests she looks here cos maybe the marbocyl will help Bilbo :wish:
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Post by: maryas on September 24, 2009, 20:37:35 PM
He is so strong to pull through all this again Gill and you have been terrific.  Well done.

 :Flowers: :summer flowers: :clap: :disco:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 24, 2009, 21:59:05 PM
Thanks Mary and yes he is stronger than me  :innocent:

Now he has done his downstairs sleep he is back upstairs  for dinner I hope cos it had his Lacto B in.......sigh

I think we all do everything we can for our furbies just cos we love them so much.  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 24, 2009, 23:03:43 PM
Have you passed the 48 hrs Gill since his last jab?

He seems to be over the worst now....Just you need to catch up now!  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 25, 2009, 00:09:04 AM
Yes we are in day 3 I think....sigh....time goes so quick one forgets.

He is doing fine as far as I can tell cos it takes a long time for him to get close to his normal again.

I need to catch up with some sleep, he is doing that but not me LOL
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Post by: Janeyk on September 25, 2009, 06:48:36 AM
Glad things are still going well  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 25, 2009, 07:57:37 AM
Glad he is seeming better
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Post by: clarenmax on September 25, 2009, 08:45:12 AM
This is all sounding good Gill, and the slow road to recovery - you need to make sure you look after you as well though, make sure you catch up on some sleep  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 25, 2009, 12:32:32 PM
Franta has been unnaturally quiet over night and he has just had a phase of meowing for no apparent reason but I stirred his food and he has eaten and that seems to have done the trick. Must say I am a little worried about him though.

Its so hard and wish he could tell me how he is feeling.

He hasnt come downstairs to the desk today grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Maybe he is just trying to be Mr Independent and do his own thing and wants me to stop worrying!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 25, 2009, 12:38:54 PM
I think you are now watching him far too closely Gill, I know I would be the same but also know that everything a normal cat (healthwise) will do may not seem normal at times!  ;)

Would he normally come down to the desk?  :shify:

I do hope this is just a case of convalesing! (SP?)   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 25, 2009, 12:42:49 PM
He has come down for the last two days and slept down here while I went into garden cos he stole my chair!

Normally no he sleeps upstairs and comes down for a potter in garden but is always to scared to do that I think until a long time after the seizures have stopped.

You are right I am watching him very closely, cos I am scared for him  :scared:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 25, 2009, 12:43:57 PM
I know your scared for him Gilly....I wish a time warp for you!  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 26, 2009, 12:34:20 PM
Not much sleep, Franta has spent all night shouting and if anyone knows how loud birmans can shout,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sigh

He was on bed , off bed, then playing chase with sound effects with his bro.

On window sill off window sill and shouting at the world outside.

Then he wanted a new litter tray and food and more food......I am a wreck!

Now he is asleep upstairs  along with his bro who I kept awake cos was shuffling around all night.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Janeyk on September 26, 2009, 12:42:52 PM
Well it's good to hear that he was playing chase with his brother  ;D are they naturally very talkative Birmans?

it must be tiring for you though Gill  :hug: 

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 26, 2009, 12:58:05 PM
They are people cats and want attention attention, or they are good at complaining and my two shout at the top of their vouces which I dont know if its a birman trait or something they learned where they used to live and were shut in a garage.

I am exhausted right now and can still hear the shouting cos its like imprinted in my head......sigh
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Post by: Rosella moggy on September 26, 2009, 12:59:27 PM
Good grief Gill.  He's incredibly active for his age isn't he.  

You're already a bit of a night owl but agree I think Franta's trying to get you to go the complete distance.  You must be exhausted  :hug:  

Sorry no advice to give.  If I had, I'd be doing something about Millie's duvet tunnelling in wee hours and Freddie's head butting.  At least Noni picks on OH with her dribbling not me  ;)

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on September 26, 2009, 14:20:43 PM
Do you know though Gilly? He would'nt be Franta if he did'nt do such things.....You need some eye open glasses for bed....If he thinks your already awake he wont bother you lol!  :evillaugh:

He's making up for lost time, your not allowed to have catch up time cos he will always be one step ahead!  :sneaky: ;) :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 26, 2009, 17:43:27 PM
Gill -  :hug:    You is feelin sleeeeeepy, sooooooo sleeeepy......  :care: 
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Post by: Kirst on September 26, 2009, 18:01:53 PM
Oh its definitely a Birman thing Gill , and you have my deepest sympathy! When Beavis is on a roll I often end up carrying him around like a fractious baby to shut him up! :tired:


Don't worry about the howling for no particular reason too much - that too is a Birman quirk! :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 26, 2009, 18:12:52 PM
thanks Kirst....thats a relief  ;D

Thanks all, have just been asleep for about 3hrs in the greenhouse and when I came in frozen , there he was on the highest platform of the catree, I swear he was trying to see if the car was there!!  Or was it he had been lyin in the sun.  :shify:

Yes he is making up for lost time and he is on a roll and knows I will roll out of bed if he shouts enough or he lies against my face staring!

If I could just get to sleep maybe I wouldnt hear him.......I feel guilty for saying these things cos I am so grateful he is still with me  :-[
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 26, 2009, 18:16:44 PM
 :shify:  Me  frend knows dat yoo is ver' grateful ter 'ave im.  :hug:  Yoo nots ter worree.  :shify:

Paddy xxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 26, 2009, 18:21:57 PM
Thank you Paddy, you are a very special  cat  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 26, 2009, 18:23:53 PM
 :shy:  Fanks yoo Aunty Gilly - Meowmy sez I bin norty, as I wudn't eet me prawns.   :shify:  An' I bin nippin; rownd'a gardin.  :evillaugh:  I sez yoo gots ter seeze der momunt!  ;)  :shify:

Paddy xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 26, 2009, 18:26:25 PM
I just dont think you could be naughty Paddy cos you are far too sweet and you so right you have to seize the  moment  ;D
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Post by: maryas on September 26, 2009, 22:34:05 PM
 :good morning 3: :good morning 2: :doing garden:

Hopefully you might be fighting fit in the morning Gill.  :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 26, 2009, 22:35:56 PM
 :thanks: mary but he has been quiet and sleeping all day, so have my doubts.......sigh
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 26, 2009, 22:37:16 PM
Hope Franta has a settled night :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on September 26, 2009, 22:39:02 PM
But at least Franta is ok   :evillaugh: ;) :hug:

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 26, 2009, 22:42:31 PM
Yes he is, not quite his usual self yet, confidence is gone and he is still a bit wobbly....it takes time for him to come back.
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Post by: bunglycat on September 26, 2009, 22:46:55 PM
Hope Franta continues to improve and you get a decent nights sleep .
Healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug:  for the Handsome boy .
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 28, 2009, 06:57:03 AM
Topping up the loving vibes for Fabulous Mr Frantaman.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 28, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
Thank you  :hug:

I had some decent sleep last night and Franta slept well too  ;D

Have found some cat food from when I was buying everything to try and get him to eat at the beginning of the year and was for Ducha this time who thought it really nice and then looks like Franta has decided he likes it too! It was all gone this morning  :shify:

Am now gonna have to go and try and search some out! Cos only had one tin grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Although extremly expensive it would be better for them cos its a pate and therefore no chunks to avoid  ;D
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 28, 2009, 13:09:02 PM
Yay! All sounds as if getting back to normal now with some much needed sleep being had! Glad this is now over and the usual worries of what food etc are now swimming round your head!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: **TINA** on September 29, 2009, 18:03:46 PM
Topping up the vibes  :hug: :hug: :hug: x x
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 29, 2009, 20:08:19 PM
Thanks Tina  :hug:

He is asleep on the bed and was earlier on the window sill sitting in the first bit of sun that we have had since last week, He is being naughty cos he will not eat the food with lacto B in it and his tummy is not good grrrrrrrrrrrr,

So yes Baz I am back to the normal side of naughty not eating cats  ,,,,,,,,sigh  ;Dx
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 29, 2009, 21:10:52 PM
 :shify:  Norty, norty, norty - norty is gud Aunty Gilly.....  Norty means cattitoode  ;) :shify:

Paddy xxxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 29, 2009, 21:12:03 PM
Yes Paddy I thought thats what it was and bet you have loads of it  ;D ;D :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 03, 2009, 22:24:35 PM
Just want to update the record cos Franta is hardly eating at all since yesterday and maybe going back to the day before grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Post by: maryas on October 03, 2009, 22:50:57 PM
No, he can't go backwards - he has to go forward.

Come on Franta be strong.  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:

Love Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 03, 2009, 23:30:25 PM
Hopefully this has nothing to do with recent events! C'mon Franta, you know how good you feel with a full tum!  :Luv2:

Positive vibes coming your way Gilly~~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 04, 2009, 01:52:21 AM
Thanks both and I hope he resumes his eating again very quickly cos just littlle things are worrying me about him, but I am super sensitive cos all of this began after a period of not eating and of course poor Bilbo weighs heavily on my mind.

Franta just doesnt seem quite right and cant put my finger on it, just hope that I am wrong and its him being super-independent......sigh
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Post by: Janeyk on October 04, 2009, 06:29:26 AM
Hope that Franta enjoys some food today  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on October 04, 2009, 10:12:51 AM
Thing is we all know our own cats and if they are not being their usual little loves or usual pains in the butt then we panic.

Maybe it's just him calming down after so much going on and the weather and dark nights could have something to do with it too.

Mary and Bonnie  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 04, 2009, 12:18:05 PM
I think he ate a bit overnight.......sigh of relief.

He has popped out in the garden today for a while to look for some grass to his liking, not sure he found any though  :-:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on October 04, 2009, 13:21:40 PM
I think he ate a bit overnight.......sigh of relief.

Thats good to hear....Its worrying when they have an off day shortly after a bout of illness, your mind automatically goes back to how he and you were feeling at that time!

Glad your feeling brighter about him today! Good man Franta!  :wow: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 04, 2009, 14:45:19 PM
Franta just doesnt seem quite right and cant put my finger on it, just hope that I am wrong and its him being super-independent......sigh

It could well be that he is still recuperating, which is quite hard work for the system  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 04, 2009, 17:59:45 PM
Can see how little he has been eating cos of what is not being left in his tray but must get him back on lacto B before what he does leave is not bad again.

Yes and hope you are right Christine  :thanks:
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Post by: pappilon on October 04, 2009, 22:19:18 PM
Thinking of you and Franta. :hug:
Sending good vibes for Franta. x
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Post by: clarenmax on October 05, 2009, 09:15:10 AM
Topping up with more get well vibes for Franta, at least he is eating, albeit less than normal  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 05, 2009, 10:19:19 AM
Sending eat lots of food vibes!  C'mon Franta - get some food down you  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on October 05, 2009, 15:02:29 PM
Hope he is picking up eating Gilly, Im sure you both dont need this worry now!  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 05, 2009, 21:22:16 PM
he seems to be starting to eat a bit and the next litter tray drop will tell me how much  :sick:

 :thanks: all
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Post by: maryas on October 05, 2009, 21:25:23 PM
Bet you've never prayed to see poo before Gill.

I do hope he's gonna have us all cheering.  :hug:

Mary and Bonnie  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 05, 2009, 21:46:03 PM
you are right and getting as bad as teresa lol.......it needs to be decent quantity phewwwwwwwwww
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on October 05, 2009, 21:49:50 PM
Come on Franta get that bum of yours into gear  :rofl: :rofl: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 05, 2009, 18:03:34 PM
just posting here to record on the diary really i hope.

franta has just got on my knee and seems to be having some problem with his head or neck. he keeps suddenly twitching it and when does its either one hard twitch for one movement of head in neck or two if he turns his head more.

this is new although his little body has been twitching a bit this week but not specificaaly like this.

his eyes look ok and its only when he is crouch sitting, he has lain diwn now and its stopped but he is not sleeping as eyes are open.

he has also been flickimg left ear, especially of i touch it by accident,

i do hope he is ok and nothing reaaly to take him to the vet for and stressing him.
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Post by: maryas on December 05, 2009, 18:22:04 PM
No Gill, No.  He has to be ok.  Positive thoughts please.

Love from Mary and Bonnie xx :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 05, 2009, 18:31:06 PM
thanks mary and i do hope so.

he is asleep on my knee at moment and twitching stopped, he can move head in both directions without the twitching so have to think it was involuntary.

my feet are going to sllep and left hand is numb cos thats the foot rest and sasa wants to play. i am hungary anf thirsty.......sigh
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Post by: maryas on December 05, 2009, 18:37:28 PM
Do you actually look anything like a cat bed Gill?  :naughty: :rofl:

Mary
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Post by: Bazsmum on December 05, 2009, 18:40:03 PM
Aw Gilly!!!  :hug:

Sending out positive vibes and so hoping that all will be okay with the gorgeous Franta man!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on December 05, 2009, 18:41:28 PM
Hoping its just a little nothing. :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on December 05, 2009, 18:42:27 PM
Lots of positive vibes coming Franta's way that its nothing  :hug: xxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 05, 2009, 18:57:08 PM
Do you actually look anything like a cat bed Gill?  :naughty: :rofl:

Mary

ummmmmmmm round and soft lol

thanks very much all, i been on a knife edge since september and so hope he is ok
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Post by: Kirst on December 05, 2009, 19:38:38 PM
Sending lots of vibes for the blue eyed babe and hoping that it is notyhig more than an itch!
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 05, 2009, 19:43:39 PM
Also hoping this is nothing again, Gill, but realise that you'll be best placed to keep an eye on his behaviour to spot if anythin is not as t should be.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on December 05, 2009, 19:59:10 PM
Do hope it's nothing to worry about Gill but good to be watchful just in case  :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on December 05, 2009, 23:17:33 PM
Sending good vibes for beautiful Franta. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 06, 2009, 00:14:42 AM
He is very tired and has slept now ever since I first posted and has now gone up stairs. Maybe he is just over tired cos wouldnt go to bed until I did and have been very late this week.

Thanks for all the vibes ladies and I am watching over him and hope he will be fine and was just a glitch  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on December 06, 2009, 00:16:44 AM
Sweet dreams Franta - love Bonnie  :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on December 06, 2009, 09:47:02 AM
Hoping you have both caught up on sleep and that Franta is fine today  :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on December 06, 2009, 10:59:15 AM
Fingers crossed it was just a little blip.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 06, 2009, 13:03:50 PM
Hope he's ok Gill  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 06, 2009, 13:19:55 PM
he has slept well and is back on  my knee again and seems to be ok and quite relaxed, i wish he could talk and tell me if he feels ok. he can turn his head quite normally and only see the neck twitching when he is on my knee.

he wants attention all the time and will tell me so.

i dont think he gets enough sleep for a 16 yr old cos he follows me around all rthe time. his bro is stretched out asleep on my bed.

thank you for the good wishes for him you are all so kind.  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on December 06, 2009, 15:39:15 PM
You need a pappoose (sp) Gilly!  ;)

Glad to hear that all is good with him bless!  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on December 06, 2009, 15:57:26 PM
So pleased that the gorgeous Franta is doing ok . :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Janeyk on December 06, 2009, 16:12:09 PM
Good to hear that Franta's been ok  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 06, 2009, 16:26:23 PM
Yes Baz , think that would be the answer  ;D

He is now upstairs sleeping with his brother  ;D
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 06, 2009, 17:05:17 PM
Glad he's OK Gill  :hug: You've had a very stressful week what with the auction and the upsetting news about Willow and Oliver.  Do you think Franta could be picking up on your stress levels - he's obviously a mummy's boy  :Luv2:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 06, 2009, 18:30:04 PM
Am so relieved, Gill   :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 06, 2009, 18:40:34 PM
Yes he could but to be honest he is starting to look his age and is at the upper end of a birman life now,  Mind you he is very pouncy on the bed with the wiggly waggler tails as is his bro so am hoping they both have ages yet but he needs to get more sleep and food.....he is such a picky eater but we try  ;D
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Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on December 06, 2009, 18:50:01 PM
A message for Franta babe try and eat a bit more and get some more sleep so your mum does not worry

you dont want to be  :tired: franta

xx
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 06, 2009, 18:50:35 PM
 :shify:  I'se d' pickee eeter too Aunty Gilly, but yoo noes, I duz ok  ;)  :shify:   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 06, 2009, 18:54:18 PM
Yes you does Mr Paddy and you are in fine fettle too  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on December 06, 2009, 23:33:23 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to Franta and Gill

Love Bonnie and Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 07, 2009, 00:13:49 AM
Thank you from Franta and me Bonnie and Mary  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 01, 2010, 17:39:56 PM
Will be off to the vets with Franta in about 20 mins once he has calmed down,,,,,,,,,,,,am shaking cos thought he was over this as no attacks since September  :(
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Post by: Feline Costumier on February 01, 2010, 17:43:50 PM
Fingers crossed Gill :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 01, 2010, 17:56:47 PM
Oh Gill, am so sorry this has occurred again, and hope all goes well at the Vet.  Come on Franta, you gorgeous boy.  You've handled these before, and you can do it again.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Stuart on February 01, 2010, 18:08:10 PM
Oh Gill  :(
Keeping fingers crossed for the vets  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on February 01, 2010, 18:28:41 PM
Good luck Gill  :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 01, 2010, 18:30:09 PM
Try to keep calm: let us know  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 01, 2010, 18:45:40 PM
I'm sorry to hear this.  :hug:  :hug:  He's coped with this before and so have you so I'm confident you can both do it again with the help of all the poisitive vibes from Purrs.  We're here for you.
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Post by: Janeyk on February 01, 2010, 18:56:04 PM
Hope Franta is ok and you too Gill  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on February 01, 2010, 19:18:24 PM
Hope he gets on OK hunnie  :hug:
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Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 01, 2010, 19:28:52 PM
Oh Gill so sorry to hear about Franta, I know exactly how u must be feeling

Franta sending u lots of vibes and hugs for you and your Mum  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: **TINA** on February 01, 2010, 19:32:36 PM
 :hug: :hug:   hugs to you & Franta x x
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on February 01, 2010, 20:02:54 PM
Hope Franta is ok  :hug:
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Post by: Zenith (Liz) on February 01, 2010, 20:16:30 PM
 :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on February 01, 2010, 20:28:50 PM
Big  :hug:  :hug:  :hug: for you and Franta xxx keeping everything crossed for good news x
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Post by: Liz on February 01, 2010, 21:33:30 PM
Gill calm thoughts being sent for you and Franta :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 01, 2010, 21:38:37 PM
So sorry Gill. Sending you both much love and support.  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 01, 2010, 22:36:58 PM
Hoping Franta will be ok  :hug:
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Post by: ginge66 on February 01, 2010, 22:37:18 PM
 :hug: :hug: to you and Franta
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Post by: maryas on February 01, 2010, 22:39:32 PM
Pmd you Gill  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on February 01, 2010, 23:07:45 PM
Poor Franta and poor you
Hope little blue eyes is soon better again -what a shock for this to happen again  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 01, 2010, 23:54:01 PM
Thank you all for your good wishes and I dont feel calm at all I am afraid, although I am trying for Frantas sake.

His siezure was quite mild this time and he didnt wet himself and his thrashing was nowhere near as bad as before.

He was actually lying on my knee limpetted to me  as yesterday and then his head seemed to get stuck to the right and he started twitching.

Took me a few seconds to understand what was happening and put him on the floor but was able to keep a hand on him most of timer, usually I have to get totally clear or will be ripped to shreads.

He was disoriented but I dont think blind after, his eyes looked normal to me, he ate a dish of the hated felix and then just lay there drooling, so had to wait foir about half hour before taking him to the vets. He was just lying on his side in his carrier most of way there and back and think he is as exhausted as I feel.

He had his first marbocyl jab at the vets and then we have 6 more days of them and am wondering if I can bring them forward to around midday incase I dont get one done, cos otherwise he will have to go as an out of hours patient and cost £100 plus. I will ring the vets tomorrow and ask them.

I am wishing and hoping for no more seizures and its a year this month since the first ones and he has just gone seizure free for the longest time since then, and I was starting to feel very optimistic...........bloomin stupid me  :(
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Post by: pappilon on February 02, 2010, 00:18:27 AM
Oh Gill, i hope he feels better soon. Sending you and gorgeous Franta lots of love and good vibes. :hug: :hug: :hug:x
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 02, 2010, 07:00:23 AM
Oh Gill, our poor 'ole blue eyes.   :hug:  Am glad this was a mild one, and hope that the injections will kick in and help keep it under control again.  It's good in one respect that he's gone as long as he has between seizures, and hope you've both managed to have a reasonably good night's sleep - I can imagine how tired you'll both be.   :hug: :hug:  Paddy sends his love to his Franta.   :catlove2:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 02, 2010, 07:55:40 AM
Fingers crossed the meds kick in quick.
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Post by: Dawn F on February 02, 2010, 08:41:18 AM
hope everything is a bit calmer this morning Gill  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 02, 2010, 09:15:21 AM
Poor Franta and poor you , I hope he feels better soon xx :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on February 02, 2010, 09:19:44 AM
Oh Gill, sorry to read this, how is Franta this morning?  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: tab on February 02, 2010, 10:15:09 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 02, 2010, 10:27:44 AM
I hope he is feeling better today  :hug:
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 02, 2010, 10:39:23 AM
Hi Gill

Been thinking of you both overnight (of course) and am a little relieved that it was a mildish one.  I do hope that you both had a quiet night although I'm sure any sleep you managed to fit in will have been disturbed.  It is great to hear that he has received his medication so quickly and if I recall past experience hopefully means it should kick in within a day or so?  So pleased that he "behaved" in the car.  I do believe it's important for you to try and be calm if you can and that would have been impossible if he was in distress  :hug:

So hope he doesn't have another and am sending lots of  :care: :care: :care: to you both   :hug: 
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 02, 2010, 11:12:56 AM
How is the little fella this morning?  :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 02, 2010, 11:15:16 AM
Hope the injection went ok this morning Gill and is he eating?  :Luv2: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Daisymac on February 02, 2010, 11:57:15 AM
Just seen this,  hope Franta is OK,  let us know the news  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 12:09:54 PM
Everythng was going fine until about 1015 and then he had another seizure, 17 hours from first one, which is a long time.

It was stronger than the first one but he still didnt wet himself which is good , I think.

He slept on the bed most of the night and had moved right up close to my face only a shory while before, I think.......afraid I am losing track of time..........and I was woken up by the noises he makes when the drool starts and teeth chattering and was able to get him on the floor just as the real thrashing started.

He was very upset after for about an hour, ate felix straight after.

have had problems with the vets this morning cos needed to move his injection forward by about 4 hours so that if I cant get it into him, I have time to get to the surgery before out of hours and they close at 1800, and I have an hours drive. Its a simple question but was told they were operating and thought it best if I made an appointment tonight!

So they expect me to drive for 2 hours and ask them in person for £20 plus, can I bring the injection forward and by then the time I want to change it too has passed!

I told them they need to ring me and in the meantime I will contact my other vet, This I have done and they say yes I can bring it forward but then it needs to stay that time, which is the intention. It all goes wrong when I cant get it into him cos then it is about 3 hrs before he can see someone to do it.

I am a bit worried cos the syringes this time are showing liquid which is slightly orange and its always looked like water before, they were made up by the vet so should be OK and am wishing I had asked him last night but he wasnt very talkative and I felt he was quite patronizing. I asked the nurse but she was foreign and did not know what the insurance claim form was!

Franta seems calm now although we have had howling and then constant pityful meows for about an hour or more. Just rushed upstairs cos thought i could hear him but nooooooooooo, its all in my head.

I am hoping that the abs will kick in quick and maybe he is not as bad as past times cos last time the hour gap between the last two seizures was 18 hrs and its never been as long as 17 hrs between the first two.

Must remember to add some probiotic powder to his food before his tum gets upset again.

Just in a total flap really!
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 02, 2010, 12:38:10 PM


That's understandable Gill.  :hug: :hug:

I think sometimes the vets don't appreciate how we may forget to ask something, or want to know something they don't think is necessary for us to know.  It doesn't help if their assistant is unfamiliar with a process, or indeed the language!  Of course they're busy but even our vet - who is a one man band - has a vet nurse who (if she doesn't know the answer) will take a message and ask the vet to call back after operations are done.

Am keeping everything crossed that everything will go smoothly with the injections and sending calming thoughts to you and to our gorgeous Frantaman.  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 12:43:01 PM
They are refusing to ring me after the ops are done, say they dont have time!

My other vet was also operating but one of the other vets just answered the question to the receptionist to give to me but of course couldnt ask them about the orange tinge to the liquid.

I wish my head would just settle on the floor again!
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 02, 2010, 12:47:41 PM


Gill, what's the name of the medication in the syringe with the orangey tint? 
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 12:49:10 PM
Its marbocyl and still have two old syringes full from last time and definately clear like water
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 02, 2010, 12:57:34 PM


Just had a swift look on some of the vetmeds sites to see if there was any indication of whether this would be a problem or not, but only found one refernce to the fact that sometimes it can result in orange tinged urine, so not much help there.  Are the other syringes you have left from last time still within their use by date?  I wonder if it might be better to use those if they are, or in the event you can't get hold of one of the vets to double check.  Am so sorry Gill, this must be increasing your anxiety.  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 02, 2010, 13:06:11 PM
Hope the meds soon start working  :hug:

Gill, can they not give you meds in advance so you always have some in?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 13:11:46 PM
After a lot or searching have just found this

http://vmri.medagencies.org/SpcFrame.asp?Product_Identifier=FR/V/0107/004&BookMark=0&FirstLetter=M

It says that the pharmacutical version is yellow to beige powder and his injections are one percent, but dont understand why it has never been this colour before. It does say that once made up it only has a life of 28 days so my old stuff is well out of date.

yes its worrying me a lot, you are right
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 02, 2010, 13:54:10 PM
Wonder if it would be worth a call to company who makes it Gill?

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/compendium-datasheets_by_company/companies/-31795.html
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 14:13:22 PM
I dont know Rosella cos they will not know what the vet did, I just need the bloomin vet to ring........Oh hell where is the mobile ........sigh......found it!

Its also starting to look like Franta was wrongly dosed last time and given 2% instaed of 1% and thats what appears on the label last time and also what I was charged for, except when I went back for some extra syringes full and they were 1%

I just hate this lack of care and attention to detail and I guess I didnt notice, well wasnt looking to be honest and is this the reason that he has stayed well longer?

I wish I hadnt noticed any of this cos working myself up big time.if it was 2% then that may have been why the injections were hurting him cos am sure I read in that link it can sting and I have the scars to prove it on one hand.

have just checked the info in that link Rosella and its one of the versions of marbocyl in higher doses for cattle and pigs. It is sold under various trade names and this is one of them  :thanks:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on February 02, 2010, 14:18:14 PM
Hope you can get the doisng sorted out and that Franta is feeling better soon  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 02, 2010, 14:25:17 PM
Gill, I would try both vets practices - call them and say that you won't get off the line unless someone gets back to you, that you're extremely concerned and if anything happens when you try to administer the meds you will be holding them wholly liable.

They can't be so busy someone can't spare you less than five minutes to discuss this with you, whatever they've tried to claim.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 14:39:02 PM
One practise is not involved in Frantas care and did me a favour this morning by answering my question and the other one is being blocked by a receptionist who will just cut me off.

I too cant understand why they cant do that Sue but do know at both vets once scrubbed and operating they will not leave the surgical area but I find it hard to understand that all 3 vets are operating non-stop from 1100 until surgery starts....this smacks of money making and have never had this problem before with them. By making an appointment they will charge me for a consultation! and I am certainly not taking Franta but also do not want to leave him for a couple of hours until I know the poattern of how things are with him.

I was willing to acceot the colour on the basis of the link I had found but its the doseage now that is confusing me,,,,,,,,,,I think that 1% is right but cant find Rachels notes for me from back in February. I thought I had all Frants stuff together and must go upstairs and see if they are with his notes up there.

Have just checked the link I found and says manufactorer is the company that Rosella found, but in France, Cant find where I read that the injection stung and Franta did not even flinch last night at the vets but he wont sit still for me like he did last night.
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 02, 2010, 15:02:09 PM
There could be good reasons for the different doses Gill.  There are lots of medicines which start out at higher doses and then reduce and Franta was extremely ill before.  There are also a fair number of incidences when drugs are administered altho not clinically proven in a particular species (Metacam was prescribed for cats for years without being properly approved for such use).  Sue is right, you need to discuss with a vet urgently and their ops may be over by now.

I do hope the link I sent hasn't created more confusion.  I only meant to supply contact details for manufacturer in case you wanted to ring them.  I think the details are just for the UK part of the French company?  I like to use Noah's compendium for details of cat medicines although cannot see reference to a 1% dose listed but there is Marbocyl SA listed for injecting cats

I hope you have been able to find Rachel's notes  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 02, 2010, 15:08:57 PM


I wouldn't expect them to leave the ops theatre, but I know that they can and often do deal with queries whilst busy - heck, they even make BBC documentaries and have a right old natter whilst operating, so there's nothing to stop them answering a query or getting the vet nurse to do some double-checking.  It's not like you're asking them to do unpaid work.  You're worried sick and you need some answers.  I know the other practice aren't directly involved with Franta's care, but I wonder if you were to explain the position and your genuine concerns/fears over getting this wrong, if they could at least endeavour to put your mind at rest?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 15:10:05 PM
Yes I saw the english number Rosella, thanks very much. No more confusion its Ok  ;D

Its very hard to find any info on the 1% doseage but its in the link I gave.

I range the vets 15 mins ago and the receptionist said she would try and get an answer to the colour question but am still waiting and need to do the jab now........sigh

I am going to ring to speak to Frantas vet tomorrow , who is a partner, he is not in today and wasnt in September.

Certainly Franta had become ill much quicker in Sep, so whetehr that was the reason for the increase I dont know, but when I went back to get spare stock it was back to the lower dosage.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 02, 2010, 15:32:10 PM
What a worry Gill, as if you arent worried enough about Franta anyway, without the uncertainty about the dose etc  :hug: Hope you get some answers soon, and hope Franta doesnt have further seizures.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 02, 2010, 15:34:47 PM
Just a thought Gill (and now not a good time to try it as you're waiting for a tele call) but wonder if Axa have access to a VN as part of insurance cover?

Was it Franta's vet you saw last night?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Leanne on February 02, 2010, 15:36:38 PM
How worrying for you Gill,

I know I've spoken to many a vet who has been in the operating theatre before, they can come away to the phone where possible, or at least answer a query though a VN.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 02, 2010, 15:41:57 PM
Just a thought Gill (and now not a good time to try it as you're waiting for a tele call) but wonder if Axa have access to a VN as part of insurance cover? 

I just rang them and they don't.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 15:49:46 PM
Just taking Franta to vet cos just cant get injection into him.

Spoke to a vet and she doesnt understand why the colour is orange so has said to bring all syringes in and am going to see her, she sounds very nice, only got 0.3mls into him and he was fighting and biting!

No havent seen frantas vet since July and just found that bag and again it says 2%!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 02, 2010, 19:26:17 PM
What's happening Gill?  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on February 02, 2010, 19:50:48 PM
Sending positive healing vibes out to darling Franta, hope all will be okay very soon for you both!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 02, 2010, 19:57:32 PM
Big  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you and Franta.

Hope Franta is picking up and u coping ok. Its so so hard

xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 20:06:45 PM
Just arrived back from vets and what a bloomin nightmare!

The abs were out of date, so he was given out of date abs last night and all the syringes that I was given were also oput of date. They had none in date.

The plan was to tablet him and then get some new marbocyl from another branch tomorrow but she didnt believe me that tabs and Frabta do not go in the same breath, well she soon found out! They tried wrapping him in a towl and still no good and poor Franta was getting more and more stressed and told her to give up.

Plan B was for him to stay over night but as he was having seizures he needed to be watched over and although they have 24/7 care, they could miss a seizure cos only one vet nurse on duty and the vet thought it better for him to be at home.

So someone was going to go to the other branch to get the meds but turned out someone was coming from there to here anyway so brought the meds. The vet was very apologetic about what had happened and if I wasnt so exhausted I would be so angry, guess that comes during the night or tomorrow!

Doseage wise looks like he has been given the wrong doseage twice in July and September and she said that giving him a higher doseage was not going to make him get better any quicker and was pointless but hasnt done any harm either.

Franta didnt want to come out of his carrier any more so she gave him an injection while lying in carrier facing her and he never bloomin flinched!

Have to say the care I thought he was getting from this vets hasnt happened, and Franta has ben lucky cos it doesnt seem to have harmed him but gives me little condidence in their care of him.

I arrived back at 1930 and had to stop typing at 1943 cos heard a crash and it was Franta having another seizure. now I am getting angry cos this should never have happened but he was made to be so stressed and we were at vets from 1645 to 1830 most of it in a crowded waiting room. And then of course the pill stress.....maybe I should have just told her no he cant be pilled  so my fault  :(

I feel so bad for putting him through all of this and am wondering if he should be transferred back to the other surgery but if I did he would not get any treatment out of hours. They have a new vet to replace the one Franta had that was so good and really cared but dont know what she is like.

Just totally exhausted and really want to thank you Rosella for ringing AXA for me, that was so very very kind  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Bazsmum on February 02, 2010, 20:13:02 PM
OMG Gilly!!! As if you dont have enought worry with Franta going through this again, wth are the vets playing at???  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 02, 2010, 20:23:07 PM
Poor Franta and poor you Gill. The vets sound a nightmare. Its hard to know what to do for the best but would be scary not having out of hours service as I well know i have had Ollie there when taking Seizures

Its terrible though with wrong doseage

Having a vet that cares is really important and one that understands as it not common in cats. I will only deal with the one vet now as she totally understands and i have complete trust in her

Can the vet not call the nearest Animal Hospital with a neurology department for advice to give Franta the best possible care. U dont even need to refer them they can call for advice . My vet has done that a few times

I totally understand how tired and frustrated you are feeling.

U totally on edge listening for any slight sound

With Frantas condition u need to be pushy with the vet.

Once after one of Ollies seizures i took him straight to vet and the vet seen him before she say the people with appointments as he was so distressed

Just demand in the end Franta needs looked after correctly by the Vet

I wish you were up where i live and could take him to my Vet

Luv to you Gill and Franta

 :hug: :hug:

Zoe & Ollie

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 20:39:43 PM
We dont have anything like that round hear and already drive nearly 40 miles round trip to vets as there is no good vet within easy travelling.

THe vet I had franta and all my cats at was so brilliant but she left in the summer and but for her and her care and love of cats, I dont think I would still have Franta. But he then had to be transferred to where he is now or use vets now and they donty have any records and the animals have to be removed fronm there at 0800 in the morning.

I dont think you should keep moving a sick animal around like this every day and this is how I lost Kocka, so refuse to use them any more.

The original vets was very quiet and calm but the current one is part of a big practice with a number of branches and the vets seem to be chopping and changing all the time so Franta has seen the 7th vet in under a year. Its very busy and the waiting room packed and as Franta does not like dogs, this stresses him. Also you wait for ever for your time to come and after an hours drive Franta does not need this. Just far to impersonal.

Its making me wonder if they are in a financial crisis too cos seem to be less vets working and they are submitting claim forms before treatment is finished, in fact on day one! They were meant to be moving into new premises before the end of last year but I  passed it last week and its still being worked on or not!

I was chatting with some other cat people and the last ones were there to collect their cat and the male half was gettting very angry cos of the length of wait.

Yes Zoe I am totally on edge waiting to hear sounds and feel too tired to climb the stairs now.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 02, 2010, 20:57:25 PM
U could be right Gill about the vet being in a financial crisis, my vet just asks for a claim form every 2 months and they dont take a penny of me when i am in even when Tyler was infor her teeth and x ray on heart they said i could pay later if i wanted, it was £97 and i had money on me so just paid for her and have had Ollie in and out a few times and they have not charged a fee.

You are right u need to keep him as stress free as possible and a busy waiting room wont help. especially if there are lots of dogs.

Please take care of yourself Gill and try get some sleep, I know u will be on edge when sleeping and not sleep proper, please make big complaint about out of date meds

I still feel as though i sleep with one ear open

Zoe xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Mollys Slave on February 02, 2010, 21:48:58 PM
I've only just seen this thread. 

So sorry to hear of this and of the problems you are encountering with the vet as well as the obvious worry that is natural - even when you will be sleeping with  an eye open and an ear cocked. 

I can only reiterate what Zoe has said,  hard as it will be Gill,  try to eat as healthy as you can (even if you have to supplement with Complan type drinks/shakes - I've used them in the past when I neither had the time, energy or appetite) and if you are able,  take extra vits - extra Vit B1and vit C are good for the nervous system.    Sorry if I'm nagging, but your own natural defences might need a little help during this time of stress.

Poor Franta and poor you.  <Hugs>

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 02, 2010, 21:54:24 PM
Here Here Mollys Salve

We need to think of your health to

Zoe xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on February 02, 2010, 21:54:43 PM
Cant believe the abs were out of date >:(

Do hope Franta has a settled night but know you will be on tenderhooks :hug:

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 02, 2010, 22:07:34 PM
..want to thank you Rosella for ringing AXA for me, that was kind  :

It was nothing.  Gill you need to be strong now.  Like steel.  Franta is all that matters.  Nothing else.  Everything else can wait.  Quite likely that out of date ABs have little effect rather than adverse effect and you must work on that basis unless you see something different.  Don't waste energy on getting angry just yet as you need to sleep to be of any use to our little man.  So take very good care of yourself too.  

Thank god that you had the good sense to query the colour change as heaven knows what would have happened if Franta didn't get ABs for a whole week.  You can ask why last night's vet didn't notice colour and why systems not in place to chuck out old meds when past use by date at a later time.

Are you going to be speaking to senior vet tomorrow to confirm what you were told tonight about level of meds as, if it was him who prescribed 2% last July, perhaps he should explain why. Didn't someone telephone specialists at Bristol last summer for advice or was that just about MRI?  Can't remember detail.  Did you feel tonight's vet was on the ball?

I think you will need to give serious thought to whether having a vet so far away that offers 24/7 accommodation but not able to guarantee that on duty staff will notice a seizure overnight and having to see 7 different vets is worth the journey time.  God you'd think you live in bloody Timbuktu not Wales!  I am just so livid for you and Franta   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 02, 2010, 22:12:14 PM
I totally agree your vet should be calling an animal hosptal with a neurology department, I am sure the Glasgow one where Ollie was takes referrals from Europe so others should even if a few hundred miles away

We need to get your boy better

Zoe xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Mark on February 02, 2010, 22:16:20 PM
 Quite likely that out of date ABs have little effect rather than adverse effect a

I was talking to the Practice manager of my vet about this recently and she said that goes for most meds, although ABs stored well probably work way after their use-by date. Having said that, it takes 2 seconds to check use-by dates. Tesco staff have to do it for 1000s of items so it should be easy enough for vet staff to check dates when they dispense. IMO, they should record batch numbers the way they do with vacs, just in case there are any adverse reactions.

Hoping Franta settles tonight  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 02, 2010, 22:21:02 PM
Thanks all and used to have complan and havent looked at it recently but think it contains loads of sugar so no good for a diabetic.........and I loved them LOL.

Lot to think about Rosella and am not thinking to clear at moment, slowly falling asleep at puter.

Thanks for the food comments and will have a look again at these tomorrow but need to be able to leave franta and get out shopping.  Thought I was going to have loads of time between seizures cos things were looking so positive and today has blown it apart really cos he is so stressed and of cousre so am I.

I need to be able to get that jab done tomorrow and the vet said I cant push the needlw in too far so just go for it.......need to make sure my finger isnt on the recieving end though cos one riggle and he is gone, she said its really a 2 person job and she is right!

Think I am off for a bath and a snooze in it and hope Franta is Ok while I am there.

I so appreciate all the support and advice, it keeps me going  :thanks: :thanks: :thanks:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 02, 2010, 22:32:38 PM
OMG Gill, what a day you've both had.  :hug: :hug:

You have so much bad luck with your vets and there is no need for any of it if they got their ruddy act together. 

I know you've not had a minute to breathe but you must wriite all this down and put it with your notes from previous times so that you know what's gone on.

Hope you and Franta have a relaxing night - pity he can't soak in the bath with you  :rofl: :Luv2: :Luv2:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 02, 2010, 22:32:53 PM
Thats terrible that the meds were out of date - maybe no adverse reaction, but having little or no effect is just as bad, losing valuable time getting the seizures under control. Its hard work isnt it? when you have to be the one on the ball over things that the so called professionals should be on top of.  :hug: Hoping for a peaceful night for you and Franta  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: pappilon on February 02, 2010, 22:36:31 PM
Gill, i hope Franta have a good night tonight and you get some rest please. :hug: :hug:x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: bunglycat on February 02, 2010, 22:42:37 PM
I hope Franta and you have a peaceful and restful night and he doesn;t have any more seizures - thats so bad giving you out of date meds  >:(
Lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:  to all of you .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 02, 2010, 23:09:30 PM
I hope you both have a restful night. :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 03, 2010, 07:11:09 AM


Oh Gill, I feel so angry about the way you've been treated, and I'm not surprised you have so little confidence in the vet's practice.  As the others have said - how long does it take to check meds for use by dates?  Thank goodness you went with your gut instinct.  :hug:

I know you'll probably have had a bad night, and am sending lots of love for you and Franta.  As has been said, I do think you need to complain, and if necessary set it on record by a letter, setting out your concerns.  I know at times I grumble about our vet, as being a sole practitioner he's stretched thinly, but at least we get to see the same vet each time.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Leanne on February 03, 2010, 08:45:34 AM
Oh Gill that is terrible, it takes seconds to check the date on things, good job you were on the ball despite being clearly exhausted.

How is Franta today?

How are you today?

 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Rosella moggy on February 03, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
Morning Gill.

How are you doing and how's the boy?  :hug:  Fingers crossed that the night has been uneventful and that you managed some rest. 

Also very much hope Franta doesn't give you too much grief with today's injection.  At least when he does struggle, he shows he has some strength  :hug:  I wonder if you might try the injection whilst he's in his carrier like the vet did?  I try to get Billy in carrier to apply a little frontline if I remember.  It just might give you a little more control?  Just a thought. 

Hope you have a better day today and are able to get to shops to stock up on supplies.  This link shows the sugar levels in Complan. 

http://www.complanfoods.com/faq.php

Will check in around lunchtime to see how you are both getting on  :hug: 
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: clarenmax on February 03, 2010, 09:36:36 AM
Sorry to hear you're having such a stressful time Gilly, and your vets don't seem to be helping either  :hug:

Hope Frantaman has a good day today xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: tab on February 03, 2010, 09:59:22 AM
I hope Franta is ok today and you got some rest
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
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Post by: Dawn F on February 03, 2010, 10:00:27 AM
hope you are both ok this morning
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 03, 2010, 10:02:54 AM
hope you are both ok this morning

Me too  :hug:.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 12:18:49 PM
thank you all  :hug:

still tired and thanks for the complan link rosella, will be off to get some when i go out  ;D

franta has been ok during the night although he avoided me completely and he thought it was safer on the floor.

however he got up on the bed this morning and spent all his time grabbing my arm with his claws, so am full of holes!
he has  had a short lie on my lap and is on the desk with his head on my hand at present  ;D......will not complain i am being limpetted again cos i have missed him fot the last two days.

that he wants to be with me again is wonderful and am sure he would not have had that seizure but for the stress of journey and at vets.

i am definately going to complain and have missed the window to speak to gareth this morning but i have a full record of everything as well as all on this thread.

franta had loads of admirers in the waiting room who could not believe he was 16 or ill........sigh. was talking to the owner of a 2yr old ragdoll who had liver problems and not much longe to live, he was called clyde and she also had his sister. later on was sitting next to a couple waiting to pick up their 8 kilo black cat, who had just lost half a kilo  ;D But like a proud parent the guy showed me a picture of their blue siamese on his mobile  ;D

Appqarently he was very very vocal and they tried him in a cattery for a weekend but he howled the place down and the staff said they had never heard such a noisy cat and he was upsetting all the other cats. When he got home he made it quite clear that he was upset  :rofl: He was stunning looking and apparently sleeps under the duvet in bed with them every night  ;D

All the people seemed to have about 4 cats and one lady had a stray that arrived in her garden about a year ago.

Its funny that cat people chat and talk about their cats but the dog people just ignore every one!

Franta has now gone on his cushion by the radiator, he is obviously feeling quite good today and is acting like his usual self  ;D

I didnt sleep as well as I would have liked cos Ducha was very active bouncing around my head and it seems that because Franta is ill and getting lots of attention, Ducha wants his share and also Misa and I think Sasa too.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on February 03, 2010, 12:29:47 PM
Next time you're at the vets I think you should all take a flask and some biscuits  :evillaugh: :rofl: :hug:

I know what you mean though - I always get chatting at the vets.

Seems to be going ok thank God and I'm glad the other 3 are pestering you  :naughty: :rofl: :hug:

Keep up the good work and even though I know you are going to ignore this - TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 03, 2010, 12:31:03 PM

Well Gill, am grinning from ear to ear to know you're full of holes, and I take that as an excellent sign.  :naughty:  :hug:

I know exactly what you mean - OH often gets exasperated when Paddy is coming to me every half an hour or so asking to be fed, but he doesn't get it that I don't mind - come the day when I have no litlle ginger and white whiskery face looking longingly at mine and mouthing "fud, fud" silently at me, I'll be totally lost.

Am laughing about that at the vets - you're dead right. When we take Tess to the vet, we keep clear of most of the other doggies, as roundabouts they seem to be mainly boisterous staffy crosses whose young owners can't/won't control them.  When we take Paddy, and there're other cats there, we nod quietly and smile, and ask about the cat - what their name is, what they're there for, that sort of thing.  Until recently we always used to take both together, as Tess's presence seems to be reassuring to Paddy - ie whatever I suffer, you'll suffer it too......  :evillaugh:

Give Franta a little snoozle from me and Pad, please.  :cat rub:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Mollys Slave on February 03, 2010, 12:37:38 PM
What a difference a few hours can make - I am so pleased that Franta seems to be a bit better today and that you are taking some joy from that too.

Complain in the strongest terms re the vet - it is appalling to say the least.

Complan - if you haven 't tried the banana flavour - you must.  Freezing cold water or milk if you can are allowed that - the most delish flavour - I've just had one myself (always keep them handy as I have stomach ulcer problems) - forgot HOW yummy they are.

Delighted to hear even that small big of progress on Franta's part,   you will feel a well needed bit of relief.   :hug:

EDIT:  Just scanned the Banana details as it's not on the Complan website: 
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 12:40:01 PM
Thank you Sue and Mary and no I am not ignoring you Mary cos i seriosly need some food and stuff.

Its just the timing now of when I go out cos also need to get my meds from the chemist   

Misa has just come in and its bloomin raining again.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 03, 2010, 12:42:36 PM
I'm glad Franta seems to be improving today.  What a nightmare day you had yesterday  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on February 03, 2010, 12:52:18 PM
 :crossed:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 12:55:37 PM
so are mine christine and he is back on the desk again, reckom he must be really tired
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Post by: Dawn F on February 03, 2010, 12:56:26 PM
speaking from experience he will be very tired and probably ache all over too
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 15:20:57 PM
at just after 1500 while he was lying on desk, injection in first time, no probs  ;D

he is back on my knee again  ;D

the last vet did me a favour and said i could not push the needle in too far as long i had nice big piece of skin and that was prob best one i have done  :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:

thats just made me feel so happy lol

just waiting for half hour now to see if he is ok and need to get shopping...hope co-op have everything!

Oh oh he has just gone back on his cushion by radiator, hope jab not making him feel bad
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on February 03, 2010, 15:32:08 PM
Well done Gill  :hug:  I'm sure he's just showing his displeasure at being used as a pin-cushion (or should that be needle cushion).
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 15:33:12 PM
He didnt even flich, so dont think so and key was pushing the needle in a further!
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 15:51:23 PM
Here is Franta around lunchtime after stealing my chair  ;D
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Post by: Rosella moggy on February 03, 2010, 16:37:53 PM
Delighted your posts are so much more positive today Gill.  Sending Franta a "good lad"  :cat rub:
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Post by: Kay and Penny on February 03, 2010, 16:45:40 PM
Here is Franta around lunchtime after stealing my chair  ;D

stealing? surely not - didn't you mean to say 'keeping my chair warm for me'? ;)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Mollys Slave on February 03, 2010, 17:11:13 PM
He's bound to be fed up feeling poorly , getting jabbed, visits to vets and this body will need time to slowly get back to normal -  :hug: to the poor wee soul.

You are sounding a lot chipper than you were - I bet you get a better sleep tonight, even in small doses, I hope so, it will do BOTH you the world of good. 
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 03, 2010, 17:56:45 PM
Bless him - but he does look so very well on that chair, Gill  ;) :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 18:00:05 PM
i am sitting here with a choco complan and am back from shops and franta is  ummmmmmm keeping my seat warm again  ;D

i am feeling much more positive today, still worried about him obviously but apart from him feeling exhausted, he is doing things that he hasnt all week.

just cross cos this maybe could have been yesterday but really sure he is not as bad as he has been in the past  ;D

Gosh that complan was great  ;D

I was feeling truely terrible yesterday and thank you all for all your help, surpport and ideas  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 03, 2010, 18:23:00 PM
Glad your'e feeling more positvie Gill , and good news no more seizures  :hug:
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Post by: Millys Mum on February 03, 2010, 18:51:21 PM
Hoping he stays well gill  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 03, 2010, 19:35:17 PM
Lovely to pop in here and see the mood is a happy one, hoping it continues and the brave man goes from strength to strength!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 03, 2010, 19:38:50 PM
Good to hear things have calmed down  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 19:45:17 PM
I am whispering here........no seizures for 24 hrs .............. ;D
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 03, 2010, 19:47:05 PM
 :shify:  ;D ;D ;D :wish:
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Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 03, 2010, 19:50:15 PM
Glad you are feeling a bit chirpier today and Franta looks so happy keeping your seat warm. He is a big boy

Zoe xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 19:53:06 PM
he is quite small lol but looks big in that picture, also of course he has eaten more in last 3 days  :shify:
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Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 03, 2010, 20:02:04 PM
I think the eating is a huge part after the seizures for some reason. Not sure why but wish i knew
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Post by: maryas on February 03, 2010, 20:04:45 PM
Our blue eyed little man is just so strong and what do you mean?  YOUR chair?  If it's your chair why does it have a cat blanket on it?????  :rofl: :rofl: :Luv2:

Just like my Bonnie in this photo - I have my dressing gown on it for when she wants to sit on it  :rofl:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 20:07:26 PM
cos the cat blanket came from my knee, when he sits their  :rofl:
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Post by: maryas on February 03, 2010, 20:15:43 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: You silly billy  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Fools to ourselves we are - fabulous  :Luv2:

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 20:20:27 PM
he is back on my knee now on the cat blanket and i so need to eat  :rofl: :rofl:

we are we are  :rofl:
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Post by: maryas on February 03, 2010, 20:23:34 PM
 :rofl: :rofl:  I got  adish of ice cream out the other day and then Bonnie jumped on me and laid on my chest for about half a hour ............. dish of sludge on the table wiating for me  :rofl:
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Post by: Janeyk on February 03, 2010, 20:29:25 PM
I think the eating is a huge part after the seizures for some reason. Not sure why but wish i knew

yep, our Timmy ate lots of food after his seizures, don't know why that happens though.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 20:33:44 PM
the vets sounded surprised but its starting to look common  :innocent:
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Post by: Mollys Slave on February 03, 2010, 23:49:05 PM
Glad to see the day and evening is ending on a happier and more positive note:  hope both of you get a restful sleep tonight.   Great news.  :)
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Post by: Tan on February 03, 2010, 23:51:09 PM
Fantasic news hun.  ;D

so pleased Darlin Franta is better. Give him a  :hug: from us  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 03, 2010, 23:52:13 PM
 :thanks:

Franta has just left my lap for a while and probably is using his tray or eating upstairs  ;D

I am not following him to check cos the little man needs to get his confidence back without me watching him all the time.........well I guess I do too!
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 04, 2010, 07:00:18 AM
Sending gentle early morning cuddles to yuo and Franta, Gill.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: tab on February 04, 2010, 08:23:08 AM
I hope hes doing well today
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
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Post by: Dawn F on February 04, 2010, 08:37:08 AM
hope all is well with you two today
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Post by: Leanne on February 04, 2010, 08:50:09 AM
So pleased to read that Franta is doing okay, and that you are too  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on February 04, 2010, 10:18:09 AM
I am whispering here........no seizures for 24 hrs .............. ;D

More than 24 hours now  :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy:
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Post by: pappilon on February 04, 2010, 10:19:38 AM
I hope Franta is doing well today and you had a good night sleep. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 04, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
Franta is like a cat on hot bricks this morning and during the night, almost like when you are coming back after sedation.

He wants to be touching me all the time, or eating and has woken me up no end of times for food, he has even eaten the jelly from the big cats breakfast.....they are still asleep cos were up all night LOL

I reckon its the abs ands he had no problem in charging down the stairs and stopping 2 steps from bottom , nearly tripping me up  :rofl: :rofl:

He is jumping on and off the desk so he is back to normal mobility wise but I am waiting for his tummy to go cos these abs do that. I started adding lacto B to his food day before yesterday but he seems to know its there grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Could be his tummy is feeling dicky and thats why he is so restless too.

He slept on the bed most of night and he had to have a paw or two on me all the time and woke up with claws digging in my shoulder......more holes LOL

I am sure he has put on weight cos of all the proper eating!

He looks at me with such sad blue eyes and wish he could tell me how he feels.
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Post by: Mollys Slave on February 04, 2010, 12:34:56 PM
What a joy and a boost to read such an upbeat and positive slant to things now.    Franta's needed his down time to get back on the road to recovery - now he's making up for lost time!    Delighted for both of you.  ;D   He's lucky to have you, and you him.
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Post by: maryas on February 04, 2010, 19:16:15 PM
Well done Gill - you've pulled him through it again.  :hug:

 :best 2: :clap: :clap: :clap: :disco: :disco: :disco: :disco:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 04, 2010, 21:36:42 PM
So so so glad Franta is feeling better. He just needs to know his Meowmy is there for him

big hugs to a brave boy  :hug: :hug: touching would he continues to be seizure free. Glad you are feeling beter to Gill

Franta mailed Ollie to say they both will milk it on all occasions and they need endless attention to make them feel better. And us humans must be at the beckon call at all times lol

Zoe
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Post by: Stuart on February 04, 2010, 22:58:33 PM
Really Chuffed to hear some good news  :)

Give Franta a big cuddle from me  :Luv:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 04, 2010, 23:02:12 PM
oh franta has sneaked on the puter  :rofl: :rofl:

i am hoping i am not feeling happy too soon cos about an hour ago he was feeling sick but just managed not to be and i was wondering whether the meds should carry on.

however he has had a sleep and is on my knee, so maybe a bit stressed.

we have 3 jabs to go.
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Post by: maryas on February 04, 2010, 23:06:59 PM
Happy jabbing  :rofl: :hug: :Luv2:

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Mollys Slave on February 04, 2010, 23:25:37 PM
oh franta has sneaked on the puter  :rofl: :rofl:

i am hoping i am not feeling happy too soon cos about an hour ago he was feeling sick but just managed not to be and i was wondering whether the meds should carry on.

however he has had a sleep and is on my knee, so maybe a bit stressed.

we have 3 jabs to go.

It's very difficult to do - easy to say - but try not to worry too much if he goes through a little bit of 'down' time - his little body has had a lot to cope with - as well as the excess eating  - his system might just take a few days to settle back into it's normal routine again.   Totally expected and normal for you to watch him like a hawk and be alert -  it's hard but   :hug: for you both.   
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 04, 2010, 23:55:10 PM
Thank you and am sure you are right.

These abs are very strong, infact so strong they are not used very much and I know they upset his tummy and it could be that just starting.

Yes I do worry, panic even lol, and I just want him to feel Ok.............ohhhh I wish he could talk or I could understand cat chat  ;D
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Post by: maryas on February 05, 2010, 00:03:20 AM
You've had it easy this time Gill - or at least EASIER  :naughty: :rofl: :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 05, 2010, 00:05:56 AM
yes you are right and hes back on my lap but looking so sad.
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 05, 2010, 00:43:50 AM
 :shify: :wow: So glad no more seizures, defo quicker response to the meds this time!  :wow: :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 05, 2010, 00:57:28 AM
THe seizures were not as bad as in the past and a lot fewer of them, I am taking this as good sign, hope I am right  ;D

Gosh I am tired , must go to bed  :innocent:
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 05, 2010, 00:59:11 AM
Im so glad to hear that, hopefully they will dissapear as quickly as they came-forever!  ;) :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 05, 2010, 07:02:45 AM


Morning Gill.  Topping up the Franta snuzzles, and hope our Ole Blue Eyes has had a decent night.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on February 05, 2010, 08:48:23 AM
Hoping Franta continues to be seizure free. Hugs to you both. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mollys Slave on February 05, 2010, 09:57:23 AM
Hope you both had a restful night - how was he?  (and you?).  I hope he continues to be more like himself.  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 05, 2010, 11:24:05 AM
thanks all and sure you realize cos of lowercase typin , he is on my knee lol

think he had a great night but not me.......sigh........too many paws diggin in and two very long stretched out birmans  :rofl: :rofl:

i need to be out of the house in 6 mins but franta wants to stay attached  ;D

only 3 more jabs to go......phew
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on February 05, 2010, 18:33:27 PM
Glad he's doing so well Gill  :hug:
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Post by: Mollys Slave on February 05, 2010, 19:23:22 PM
That's good news - just need to get you sorted now and you've cracked it!   :)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 05, 2010, 23:00:02 PM
jab was done and he has slept ever since and of course back on knee now my isp has recovered to allow me back on the web........sigh
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Post by: maryas on February 05, 2010, 23:11:07 PM
I think you're in desperate need of a curry Gill :hug: :hug:

So glad the jabs are going well.

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 05, 2010, 23:31:46 PM
Yes you are right LOL
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Post by: Kirst on February 06, 2010, 07:54:58 AM
Hope you and Franta had a good night xx :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 06, 2010, 07:58:52 AM
Hope you and Franta had a good night xx :hug:

Ditto!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 06, 2010, 13:52:29 PM
he did  ;D

now on my lap but being very meowy today and doesnt seem to know what he wants......sigh
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Post by: maryas on February 06, 2010, 21:55:58 PM
He wants a kiss and cuddle with Bonnie  :Luv2: :hug: :Luv2:

Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 07, 2010, 12:36:26 PM
Last jab today  ;D
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Post by: Janeyk on February 07, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
 ;D Good-oh
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Post by: bunglycat on February 07, 2010, 14:30:00 PM
So pleased he is doing ok - bet you are glad thats the last jab ! ;D
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Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 07, 2010, 19:08:04 PM
So glad Franta is doing good. Lets hope in continues. Got fingers crossed and Ollie and Tylers paws crossed for him
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 07, 2010, 21:27:13 PM
So glad you've got them jab's out of the way...... Now you can both start to relax!  ;) :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 07, 2010, 21:35:26 PM
 :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :yayyy: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Well done.

Mary and Bonnie xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 08, 2010, 14:09:26 PM
Thank you and am so relieved that the jabs are finished...he tried to play up yesterday, so had to put it back in fridge and try later!

He is asleep against the radiator, lying on his cushion and beleive that as he has not had any more seizures for the last few days , he is OK again now  ;D

Always a bit concerned for a few days after the jabs finish but not at a loose end cos not waiting for 1500 hrs LOL.

Am tired still but hope fully that will wear off soon  ;D
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Post by: maryas on February 08, 2010, 16:01:27 PM
Thing is Gill, it's a nice tired cos you know some good as come out of it. :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 08, 2010, 22:41:25 PM
Its a "beginning to relax" tired that is!  ;) So glad this time it was over so quick for you both!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 09, 2010, 01:05:33 AM
He is now coming off the abs and doesnt know what to do with himself, very restless and lots of head shaking going on, He needs to eat more, I dont know why but for some reason eating helps.

Right now its not really a relaxed tired its a stressed tired cos the abs need to get out of his system and him still be alright.

Its strange but the abs have not affected his tummy this time................I should try and stop worrying about him , I know but I cant..........sugh
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Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 09, 2010, 19:15:58 PM
You worry because they are your babies. I worry constantly. Slightest change in Ollie and I on edge. Well pretty much on edge all of the time

Hopefully Franta will be himself soon

Zoe
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Post by: Mollys Slave on February 13, 2010, 10:48:18 AM
Chuffed that things seem to be settling down for you both -  long may it continue!   :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 13, 2010, 15:28:36 PM
Thank you and Franta seems to be settling down again, so just me to settle.....sigh

He insisted on staying up and watching the Olympic opening ceromeny last night so guess i am going to have his company for the next two weeks until 0500  ;D
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 13, 2010, 16:36:25 PM
 :evillaugh:  Is good though, yes?  :hug:
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Post by: maryas on February 13, 2010, 19:36:05 PM
Good old blue eyes  :Luv2: :hug:

Mary
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Post by: Bazsmum on February 13, 2010, 20:22:25 PM
Glad things are still continuing..... You watch the Olympics till 5am?  :wow: :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 14, 2010, 15:44:51 PM
Oh yesssssssss  ;D
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Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 14, 2010, 16:06:39 PM
Glad u can stay up to that time i try then fall asleep on couch and wake up all sore grrrr

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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 15, 2010, 15:42:43 PM
well dont have to go to work and this is the way my body clock works best  :innocent:
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Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on February 15, 2010, 20:16:58 PM
Hope u are enjoying the winter olympics. :)

I cant stay up late even when not working lol i wish i could though
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 16, 2010, 14:11:16 PM
yes thanks but dont think franta is...........sigh
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Post by: clarenmax on February 16, 2010, 15:18:37 PM
Aw, much nicer watching the snow on TV that's for sure  :)
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 12, 2010, 15:23:48 PM
I dont want to bring back his other thread and so hope he is alright.

He is shouting most of time, walking around climbing up on things and looking up walls and at the ceiling. He doesnt seem to want what he wants to do.

He is licking any part of me he can get too but this usually ends in a bite.

The wind is unnoticeable indoors, even last night!

He is just not calm and have to say neither am I.
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Post by: jezebel on November 12, 2010, 15:50:53 PM
Perhaps there's something in the air.

I got home last night and Drum was a bit weird. She often watches the walls but last night she was actually howling at them (she's quite chatty at the best of times but never howls). Her "mad half hour" was especially frantic last night and she kept bolting in and out of the room at an incredible speed!
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Post by: Ellen2010 on November 12, 2010, 17:14:54 PM
Gill I have a feeling something is in the air as all of mine have been acting very hyper for around 3 weeks now and with being a qualified Reiki practioner have even give the cats Reiki but has not seemed to settle them at all.

Apart from the hyper/mischievous behaviour all seem well in themselves such as eating, alert and playful.
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Post by: clarenmax on November 12, 2010, 19:09:55 PM
Poot's been hyper today too, not sure if its because he's surprised I'm home on a work day, but he just won't seem to settle properly like he normally does ............ I think the wind as spooked them  :-:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 12, 2010, 19:52:28 PM
I so hope you are right and he is fast asleep on the bed at present cos I have a crisis of my own and just need to be calm and relax.
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Post by: maryas on November 12, 2010, 22:25:00 PM
I reckon it's the wind Gill - don't forget they can see and hear better than us.  My Smudge RIP was frightened to death of the wind but fireworks never bothered him.

Hope we are all right.

 :hug: for you and lots of kisses and cuddles for Franta.  :Luv2:

Love Bonnie and Mary
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 12, 2010, 23:22:56 PM
Thank you Mary and he seems to be much calmer now and has eaten and is asleep by the radiator.....................I think maybe last night when it was wild and I was sleeping he must have got very agitated then and didnt sleep much.

Its much calmer here now, although we have had worse nights than last night.

I have had my neck washed with a bristle tongue,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it must have been dirty  :rofl:

Just as I wrote he was asleep, he has sat up and is watching me....................I have to go food is a must!
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Post by: Rosella moggy on November 13, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
Hope all is well today with Frantaman Gill :hug: :hug:

I know how much you must panic when he has behavioural changes in case the old trouble is on it's way back but sounds like he was settling down?
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Post by: Kirst on November 13, 2010, 09:36:51 AM
LOts of love and hugs for Frantaman! :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 13, 2010, 12:08:32 PM
Although the wind wasn't audible indoors last night here, both Jaffa and Mosi were a bit hyper last night.  Mosi was messing around at bedtime and just as I was falling asleep (about 2am) he started up again and, unusually, Jaffa joined him and the pair of them were chasing each other around in the middle of the night!  I reckon it's the weather.  Certainly something seems to be making our cats agitated at the moment. 
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 13, 2010, 16:23:49 PM
Thank you so much and yes I get very worried if Mr Franta Napoleon changes his behaviour.  :hug:

He slept well last night and so did I  :evillaugh: He is still asleep as are all the others so think he is catching up on some lost shut eye  ;D
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Post by: alisonandarchie on November 13, 2010, 17:37:06 PM
Glad to hear Franta is a bit more settled :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 14, 2010, 13:18:39 PM
Franta is back to being very agitated and shouting a lot..................no wind at all and he was so good yesterday.

He is just wandering around shouting and staring at nothing.

I clink dishes to gether when doing the food so they know that new food is down and the poor little man nearly jumped out of his skin at every clink  :(

I dont think he is right but cant remember what the start of dementia is like. Kocka had it but also other things and she used to shout and shout.

If anyone knows what the first signs are can you please let me know.
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Post by: Ellen2010 on November 14, 2010, 13:24:11 PM
Gill don't want to scare you but think you should get him checked out as had a foster boy that would do that and in the end the vets took blood to find out if there was an underlying medical cause.  When the results came back it showed Kidney function adnormalities.

Hope there is no reason medically why and hope you get him settled.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 14, 2010, 13:48:16 PM
I am scared abot anything to do with Franta Ellen and being that you are fairly new to Purrs you dont know his history over last two years or so.  :(

If you look in the stats section there is an enormous Franta post there and thats the one that I did not want to have to reopen a couple of days ago.

He has only one kidney and due to his age and the probs on that thread it would be very dangerous to sedate him to get bloods and he is not showing signs of any kidney probs but someone else has said maybe Hyper-T !

He is impossible to get meds into him except by injection and even the last vet that saw him could not pill him and the stress caused him a seizure.

He is over 17 yrs old now but he is drifting into his own little world I think and little tiny noises are bringing him out and he is then scared cos doesnt know what they were or where they come from.

I am grateful for any or all thoughts Ellen  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Ellen2010 on November 14, 2010, 13:59:10 PM
It is never worth the risk of stressing them more and can understand with him having one kidney why you are worried about him.  Maybe worth speaking to Shona as know she has had experience with a cat that had dementia she may be able to tell you a bit more about how it started.

I won't let the vets sedate my cat for blood tests because of her kidney problems and she is also 17 years old.  Hope that helps about Shonagh.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 14, 2010, 14:04:04 PM
I have been waiting for Shonagh to see this cos we have talked many times about her cats dementia as I also had one but she went to the Bridge over 5yrs ago and cant remember how it started.

I dont want to upset Shonagh cos Carrie only went to the Bridge so recently.

 :thanks: Ellen
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Post by: bunglycat on November 14, 2010, 17:05:04 PM
Sorry Franta is having problems and hope he is ok soon.
I have been wondering if Sophie is getting a little bit senile as on occasions she hasn''t been in the litter tray and gone elsewhere and also she does a yowling now most nights around 7 pm ish for no reason i can see.
She is okay when i shout her and talk to her , she also sleeps a lot too - she is 17 next year.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: JackSpratt on November 14, 2010, 17:28:30 PM
Oh Gill. It does sound a little like a possibility. :( Am sending huge hugs to you and Franta. :hug:

http://www.fabcats.org/owners/elderly/senility.html (http://www.fabcats.org/owners/elderly/senility.html)

Anything in here that helps?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 14, 2010, 17:43:43 PM
 :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 14, 2010, 17:48:31 PM
Thanks for that link JS and am pretty sure he is in the very start phase  :(

He is fast asleep at the moment but his brother is bopping around which never used to be the case until Metacam.

Franta cant have metacam cos of his one kidney and know he has a touch of arthritus in back legs.

I am not willing to stress him out and put him in the car to go to vets unless absolutely necessary and think going by that link and previous problems with his brain  he is a prime candidate sadly.

He has been head twitching on and off ever since his last problem and also during and he is rubbing his head on everything but also much more agressive at times towards me. It can be quite scarey cos he stares and turns his ears and then darts in and bites.

I was hoping that Franta would be Ok for ages but this week has shown him to go from normal cuddly to shouty agressive and back.

He gets upset at change and is very clingy  and he likes to master of his own parish, so guess if he feels confused at all, its very upsetting for him.

Guess its one day at a time from now on  :'(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Zenith (Liz) on November 14, 2010, 17:55:55 PM
When Shush was 18 she went missing for over a week which was devastating, she never ventured further than our garden as far as we knew.  She turned up in my room at a really early hour covered in cobwebs and yowling her head off I was so relieved to have her back  :Luv: I figured she'd forgotten her way home after jumping out the front window rather than the back of the house.

Possibly that was the start of her having a mild case of dementia as she'd yowl alot after that - normally stopping if we called to her and reminded her we were there with her.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on November 14, 2010, 17:56:22 PM
It is not a full moon tonight is it ?,  my lot are all agitated today and that normally happens with a full moon for some reason  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 14, 2010, 18:01:47 PM
No its a half moon  ;D

He is awake now and lying by my side but the sound of the lappy keys brought him back from where ever his head was and caused him to twitch madly..................so sad,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its making him jump out of his skin.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Mark on November 14, 2010, 18:09:45 PM
Have you tried keeping a radio on Gill? - I find it helps Alice having the radio on 24/7 - she doesn't jump out of her skin at sudden outside noises any more since I started doing it. OH thinks she is deaf, but I'm sure she has some hearing. It is sad to see them confused. She howls at walls and things sometimes - even if I am there. She forgets. I have to comfort her and say "come on silly girl, it's OK"  :shy:

I bought some senilife but the tablets are too big. Apparently omega oils help blood flow to the brain which can help - one of the reasons I let her have a bit of salmon most days.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on November 14, 2010, 18:19:50 PM
I am sure I heard somewhere that you could give aggitated cats rescue remedy to calm them down,   dont do it without checking it out though  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 14, 2010, 18:26:52 PM
We dont do radios Mark so that would be strange for him but we have Tv on most nights and it will be going on soon..................I cant stand constant noise.

Franta wont eat 'human' food and is a very fussy eater sadly.

Will see if the tv helps when it goes on but suspect he may just go upstairs to get away from it...........wouldnt be so bad if they didnt turn all trailers and adverts up so much higher than the programmes, cos that upsets both of us .....sigh

Alice sounds how Franta is becoming but I know he is not deaf and most of the time not confused cos he knows what he doesnt want but is not to good working out what he does want!

When Kocka was still with me in London, she was nearly deaf and partially blind and was so pleased in a way about her being deaf cos of all the noise from upstairs,
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 14, 2010, 18:50:21 PM
Hope he settles down Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Mark on November 14, 2010, 19:02:19 PM
I cant stand constant noise.

Not even classic FM?  :evillaugh:

That's what we have. Since I got the internet radio, I put on stations with no chat or adverts sometimes.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Daisymac on November 14, 2010, 19:14:24 PM
Gill have you tried massaging him ?,  it is supposed to excellant for calming cats

http://annisage.tripod.com/mfc/MassageForCats.html
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Den on November 14, 2010, 19:39:07 PM
I know there is a big age difference between them but Memphis has been spooked by everything today (this is not normal). He is being more clingy than normal but won't settle properly (at the moment he is sat on the sky box for some strange reason).

He has jumped soooo many times today for no reason. Earlier he was sat on the arm of the chair and I reached to stroke him and he very nearly hit the ceiling since he jumped so high. Just now I was sat on the floor flicking through the Argos catalogue when something (I don't know what) spooked him, he jumped soooo hard that he bashed into he coffee table knocking most things onto the floor including a half full cup.

Really hope Franta is just having an off moment and it is nothing more.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: maryas on November 14, 2010, 22:29:14 PM
Bonnie wants you to tell Franta Napoleon he's not allowed to get poorly as it's usually February when he's ill.  :hug:

What about an oil burner with calming oils such as lavender, chamomile, eucalyptus etc. - will do you good too.

Big hugs and kisses.

Bonnie and Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - seems to be seizure free again :)
Post by: Fire Fox on November 14, 2010, 23:26:50 PM
I so hope you are right and he is fast asleep on the bed at present cos I have a crisis of my own and just need to be calm and relax.

 :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 14, 2010, 23:31:50 PM
Thank you all and I am going to combine this thread with the other one later cos someone has reminded me that her cat acts like this when he is going towards a seizure.

Its good for me to have it all in one place.

I will look at the massage thread tomorrow cos I think he would like that and remember reading about it many years ago in Your Cat.

I would love to do that Mary but Mark posted up about essentail oils or something ages ago and I realized that I was using something in the bathroom where the litter tray is that had oils in it and it seemed to coincide when he was ill before, so just not taking any chances.

I quite like Classic FM in the car Mark but all the chat and stuff drives me up the wall...............what channels dont have this?

I have started giving him food quite often cos that seemed to help him before and he seems to be quite hungry.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 15, 2010, 08:18:24 AM
Gill, if he is getting hungry more, it could be hyper-t, that causes them to be hyper too, and increases their appetite - one of the reasons i insisted Sam was tested (vet thought he looked too healthy), was because he wouldnt sit on my knee for more than 5-10 mins at a time.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Janeyk on November 15, 2010, 10:08:34 AM
How is Franta today Gill?  hope that he's settled down I hope it's not the other problem again.  It could be dementia but hyperthyroidism does come to mind as Desley says.  Restless behaviour and hunger are typical signs or even something else bothering him? Fingers crossed he's ok today but maybe a vet check if he continues seeming agitated  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Mark on November 15, 2010, 10:16:27 AM

I quite like Classic FM in the car Mark but all the chat and stuff drives me up the wall...............what channels dont have this?

I don't know of any on FM but there are plenty of internet stations, like Avro http://www.classical.dj/europe.html

Without an internet radio, it would mean leaving a laptop/PC on though.

There are some stations that just have an announcement every 1/2 hour or so, but not really chat (often in German, French etc)

I have this on sometimes (on my internet radio) http://www.1.fm/station/baroque/default.aspx - they play non-stop baroque with one spoken commercial (no sound effects etc) every 1/2 hour or so for loans or something  :evillaugh: http://www.1.fm/station/baroque/default.aspx
I like baroque but can't have it on all the time - overnight it is white noise for Alice - she isn't fussy  :evillaugh: - I tried regular radio and I am certain she is calmer with classical (I just think lack of beat makes a difference)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 15, 2010, 14:28:47 PM
Thanks Mark and all  ;D

No Franta isnt more hungry but its something related to his brain problem in the past and after a seizure he would just devour a whole packet of food, lumps and all!

The vets did not know why but it seems to be common to all cats that have seizures.

As I write this I am wondering when he sort of doses off into his own little world he is having mini seizures, hadbt thoiught of that till now...........he is just sort of lost for a while.

He had full bloods done when he was ill before and also checked for diabetes cos of the eating but even his one kidney was doing well.

I know that things can change a lot in two years and I am watching him like a hawk but he is a very intelligent cat and gets stressed so very easily so am not willing to force a vet on him and a 40 mile drive unless it becomes really necessary because it would be most likely to make him iller.

Today her was fine till I got out the lappy and am sure one of his problems is that he is just so nosey that he doesnt not get enough sleep, At his age he should be getting around 18 hours sleep and he doesnt come close.

I am hoping he will go upstairs and sleep soon but I think he is just making sure I am not going out..................which I have to soon cos need cat food and to pay for new tyres on my car.........sigh

He is a bit twitchy and has shouted a few times but just saw his tail disappearing out of the room  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Janeyk on November 15, 2010, 15:23:02 PM
No Franta isnt more hungry but its something related to his brain problem in the past and after a seizure he would just devour a whole packet of food, lumps and all!

The vets did not know why but it seems to be common to all cats that have seizures.

He had full bloods done when he was ill before and also checked for diabetes cos of the eating but even his one kidney was doing well.

I know that things can change a lot in two years and I am watching him like a hawk but he is a very intelligent cat and gets stressed so very easily so am not willing to force a vet on him and a 40 mile drive unless it becomes really necessary because it would be most likely to make him iller.


Our cat Timmy did that after his seizures too Gill it's very apparent and is a strange thing but I know exactly what you mean.  Timmy would eat like mad a full dishful of food afterwards, unlike his usual behaviour.

Shame that you are so far from a vets but I would make the trip if he continues to be unlike his normal self  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on November 15, 2010, 19:02:51 PM
My Ollie eats loads after a seizure, and alot of what Gill says Franta is doing and acting Ollie does this on and off. Ollien is 7 and now and then he is totally disoriantated. seems in a world of his own.

One thing i was told by the neurologist that we will never compleely know what goes on in their head. My vet has seen ollie looking completely spooked out and twitchy and she says it could be mini seizures but its one thing we will never really know. Since Ollie became epilepitc he has become extremly clingy like Franta and totally depends on me being there, if i go away for a few days he gets seriously stressed. The vet thinks that he is like that because after everything he has been through and when he not to well i make him feel secure . Many a time i have looked at Ollie and he is just staring into space.  Just wish we could understand more.

I massage Ollies head a lot one he likes it and to i think he finds it reassuring

Big hugs to Franta and to you Gill.

Zoe & Ollie
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Ellen2010 on November 15, 2010, 19:09:23 PM
Cats love the top of their head rubbing as the mother will lick the top of the head to reassure their kittens.

Just thought you would all like to know that even if you class it as a piece of useless information.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on November 15, 2010, 19:57:42 PM
I never knew that Ellen, interesting to know
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 15, 2010, 20:53:28 PM
Thats why I love Purrs cos where else would peeps chip in with all these little tips  ;D

Franta has eaten and gone upstairs to sleep  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on November 15, 2010, 20:59:18 PM
Thats good. hope the lovely Franta has a good sleep
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: maryas on November 15, 2010, 22:42:35 PM
Cats love the top of their head rubbing as the mother will lick the top of the head to reassure their kittens.

Just thought you would all like to know that even if you class it as a piece of useless information.
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Ellen, no info is classed as useless on here - we all love to hear any suggestions at all.  My Bonnie loves the top of her head rubbing and I gently scratch it with my nails - she's let me do it for hours.  Never knew that was the reason though as I've never brought up kittens.

Still sending hugs and fingers crossed Gill.  Bonnie sends a massive hug and kiss to her Franta Man.

Bonnie and Mary xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Kirst on November 15, 2010, 22:50:59 PM
Sleep tight Franta Man - xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 15, 2010, 22:57:06 PM
He is still dreaming of mousies  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: maryas on November 15, 2010, 23:38:07 PM
scuse me.......... he should be dreaming of me, his girlfriend  :naughty: :hug:

Bonnie xxxxxxx

Sorry Gill, she sneaked on when I wasn't looking :rofl:

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 16, 2010, 01:46:20 AM
 :rofl:

Franta sends a snuzzle to you Bonnie as he is now up and watching something..............oh he is lookin at me  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 16, 2010, 07:19:40 AM
Morning Faberlush Frantaman.  Paddy and me popping by to give you both a love this morning.  Paddy sez "I seez fings too - dunt bovvers me nun butcha shud see meowmy's fayse"  :evillaugh:  :hug: :hug:

Ellen, I didn't know that either.  That's actually really useful to know.   Paddy likes me to talk into the back of his neck and snuzzle my nose in his fur there - it makes him purr like crazy.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Tan on November 16, 2010, 10:15:13 AM
Glad he is resting hun

Give him a huge cuggle form me  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: clarenmax on November 16, 2010, 13:34:39 PM
Ellen, I didn't know that either.  That's actually really useful to know.   

I also did not know that  ;D

Sending big huggly snuggles to Frantaman today xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 16, 2010, 14:46:00 PM
Franta says thank you to everyone a specially Paddy  ;D ;D

He has had a good sleep but with me at the moment and his extra food seems to be helpin I think, so am keeping fingers crossed that maybe he is coming back.

I am maybe gonna be talking too soon but he is very queit so far today  :shify: :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: tab on November 16, 2010, 20:57:21 PM
(((((((((())))))))))))) to Franta and Gill

I didnt know about the head scratching either but it makes sense when I think about it. My friend Pat has a cat called Dakota and if you put your hand to her she flinches (no real idea of history but we know its not good) Today she let me scratch her head and purred. After having the same reaction from bruvs cat yesterday Im totally able to believe its not a threat stroke
love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 17, 2010, 08:18:08 AM
Sending lots of healthy vibes Franta's way.  Hope he is fine today.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 17, 2010, 14:00:07 PM
Had not much sleep thanks to his HRH Meowiness and he wanted food every two three hours......................I now believe he is through his latest problem and has learnt that by making a raucous noise he can get anything he wants........sigh

However saying that we had a bad time a couple of times yesterday where he was doing his staring into space and shouting but he had a lot more sleep.

Right now he is sleeping, to make up for lost sleep last night, I imagine................I wish I could......sigh

So am going to let this thread go back to sleep again and hope that he is coming through it.

Thank you to everyone for their kind good wishes, its so appreciated as this is so stressful each time.  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: maryas on November 17, 2010, 22:34:50 PM
Welcome to share your stress with me anytime matey  :hug: :hug:

Hope the little Hugger isn't fooling us and he's fully recovered.

What the chuff do you mean 'making a noise to get what he wants'?  He ALWAYS DOES, doesn't he? and so he should  :rofl: :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug:

Love Bonnie and Mary xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 17, 2010, 22:36:57 PM
ACtually he is very quiet at present, not like him at all, he has eaten and hope he is just catching up on lost sleep last night
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 18, 2010, 07:27:06 AM


Gill, sending a quiet snoozle to Fabulous Frantaman today.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 18, 2010, 09:49:03 AM
his latest problem and has learnt that by making a raucous noise he can get anything he wants........sigh


It's taken him this long to work that out?  It took Mosi about 2 seconds of living with me  :rofl:

Fingers crossed he's just having a sleepy day today.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 18, 2010, 11:15:50 AM
No he worked that out before but now he has got into habit of shouting for food lol befote it was attnetion.

Bad day cos everyones upset cos Ducha his brother fell off the bed around 0700 and was just lying there not making a sound, was scred to lift him incase he was hurting anywhere and not much room.

We just got back the vets and I a deaf in left ear from all his shouting all the way there! He has hurt his back leg again  and has been given an injection to go with the metacam he already has and now Franta is shouting his head off....well was!

He thanks you for the snuzzles cos he really likes those  ;D

Oh oh he has arrived!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Rosella moggy on November 18, 2010, 11:21:12 AM
Aaaaw so sorry to hear Ducha been in wars again and hurt his back leg.  Hope he takes it easy whilst recovering this time Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 18, 2010, 11:28:02 AM


Aw poor Ducha!  :(   Sending him a gentle "ppprffpppttt" to help his poorly paw.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: maryas on November 18, 2010, 11:34:26 AM
Aaw poor Ducha - Franta, good job you are getting better cos you've gotta look after your bruv now  :rofl: :hug: :hug:

 :get well: :very Busy: :grouphug:

Love Bonnie and Mary xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 18, 2010, 11:40:41 AM
He isnt Rosella cos went upstairs cos one of them shouting and then had to rescue him cos he tried to jump on bed and didnt make it........sigh

Just had to go upstairs again cos there were elephants chasing round bedroom and someone was howling.

Franta is really restless and Ducha just wants to rest now. Have left both of them on bed.

If I thought I was stressed earleir in week I am much worse now.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on November 18, 2010, 19:34:01 PM
Ohh Gill what a time you are having, I feel your stress with Franta and the staring into space and shouting is all to familiar to me.

Bug hugs to you Franta and Ducha

Ollie sends head strokes to Franta as he saz they are good

Zoe xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: clarenmax on November 19, 2010, 09:19:47 AM
Sending snuzzles and prffttts to Ducha and Franta, and hugs for you too honey  :hug: :hug:  Try not to stress too much, although I know its much easier said than done  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 19, 2010, 12:13:39 PM
 :thanks:

Waiting to see what today will bring.........sigh

Ducha would not eat his food with the metacam in as he told me It was too early!

Franta has slept well and had a nosh and went back to sleep  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Ellen2010 on November 19, 2010, 12:35:10 PM
Awww poor Ducha hope his leg stops hurting soon, and hope Franta is also on the way back to recovery for you.  Am just looking at one of the patterns I have found for cats and am wondering if they will help Ducha with his arthritis. 
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on November 19, 2010, 16:52:40 PM
Hobbes and Luna wanted me to send lots of purrs and get well wishes to Franta and Ducha and I am sending lots of  :hug: to you all. Hope things improve soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Very agitated......possible start of dementa
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 19, 2010, 20:01:38 PM
Thank you very much Hobbes and Luna.  :hug:

Ducha is being naughty and wont eat today, Franta is sleeping a lot .

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 27, 2010, 01:34:44 AM
Just went upstairs about 20 mins ago and I knew something was wrong with Franta by his constant mew mew mew.

His bib was all soaking and he was droolling, needed food but was on the bed. He has had a mini seizure and has now calmed down again and is lying on the floor.

I am hoping to leave it until later today cos the roads are all frozen but I guess this has been coming on for last 3 weeks or so and I need his abs to inject him.

Its the first time since early Feb that he has been ill but reckon if I leave it he will just have a full blown seizure very soon but just hope its not tonight.  :( :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Steff - Petsearch Bedford HQ on November 27, 2010, 01:39:12 AM
Sorry to hear that what you have been fearing has now actually happened Gill, poor Franta and poor you  :hug:  :hug:

Will you vets be open in the morning if you need to take him in?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 27, 2010, 01:42:07 AM
I am hoping so Steff although I would prefer not to put him in the car at all incase it brings on a full seizure, h3 hates the car and stress can bring one on.

Just going to see if it tells me if they are open on their website.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Steff - Petsearch Bedford HQ on November 27, 2010, 01:45:37 AM
So your kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place then Gill :(

I don't have any experience with seizures at all (fortunately).  I guess you will be guided by what your vet says and how Franta is (and by what you know from last time)

I'm really worried about both of you now Gill :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Fire Fox on November 27, 2010, 01:46:43 AM
 :hug:  :hug:  :hug: Thinking of you both.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 27, 2010, 01:51:10 AM
Just send some good vibes for Franta Steff,,,,,,,,,,we have been here many times over last two years but just thought he was finally through it.  Waiting for daylight.......sigh

Thanks Firefox
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Steff - Petsearch Bedford HQ on November 27, 2010, 01:53:07 AM
positive positive positive vibes for Franta

and

 :hug: :hug: :hug: for you Gill

I hope the vets can help you in the morning and Franta stays calm and comfortable through the night
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 27, 2010, 06:49:35 AM


Gill, am hoping that Franta is calmer now, and that you can get on to the vets as soon as you're able.  If you have to go out in the car, safe driving - especially given you're stressed.   :hug: :hug:  Sending every positive thought to you this morning.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: pappilon on November 27, 2010, 07:43:50 AM
Gill i hope Franta is better this morning, sending him lots of good vibes and  :hug: :hug: for you.x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: princessmaizie on November 27, 2010, 07:52:22 AM
I hope Franta is doing better today Gill, lots of positive vibes coming from here.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Daisymac on November 27, 2010, 08:17:21 AM
Hope Franta is feeling a bit better today  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 27, 2010, 08:32:34 AM
Afraid Franta has had full seizure about  45 mins ago and was woken up by him circling llike a dervish on bed. This one only 6 hrs fropm last so not good and need meds now asap.

No moree snow but car totally frozen and not had much sleep.

Will drive carefully, thanks all
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: clarenmax on November 27, 2010, 08:44:30 AM
Sorry to hear Franta's had another seizure, you take care going to the vets hunnie  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Ellen2010 on November 27, 2010, 09:00:05 AM
Hope Franta is OK Gill and they get to the bottom of this for yours and his sake.  Drive carefully and be careful of the idiots on the road.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 27, 2010, 09:58:58 AM
Gill very sorry to hear about Franta :hug:

I expect you are at vets by now so hope journey went well

Also hope meds kick in pretty soon :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Rosella moggy on November 27, 2010, 10:06:40 AM
Oh Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Only just seen this and hoping your trip to vets goes smoothly and they have his meds available and they kick in quickly.  Sending the strongest get well vibes I can muster to the little fella  :care: :care: :care:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 27, 2010, 10:31:16 AM
Sorry to hear Franta has had anothe seizure  :hug:  I hope the roads aren't too bad and that you can get some meds for him that will  kick in quickly.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Jiji on November 27, 2010, 10:31:58 AM
So sorry to hear about Franta. Hope the vet visit goes well  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 27, 2010, 10:44:24 AM
Gill, more of these.....   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on November 27, 2010, 10:50:18 AM
Oh Gill - sorry to hear that Franta has had a seizure. Hope all goes well at the vet.
Sending these for Franta and you  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on November 27, 2010, 10:55:12 AM
Poor baby :care: Hope he gets on OK at the vets  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: Steff - Petsearch Bedford HQ on November 27, 2010, 10:57:33 AM
I was hoping he would be ok in the night Gill :(

I know your already out but please drive carefully. I hope hope the vet is able to help and its good reports when you get back.

Topping up the vibes for poor Franta and I hope he doesn't mind the journey too much
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just had a mini seizure
Post by: JackSpratt on November 27, 2010, 11:09:57 AM
Oh Gill. :care:

Please be careful out there, and really hope the vets can help Franta. Sending him a massive cuddle; (If allowed)and sending you one too. :cuddle:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 27, 2010, 12:55:30 PM
Thank you every one for your support, its so appreciated  :hug:

Just back from vets and saw yet another deifferent one but very nice and knowledgeable.

Had to stop part way cos Franta very sick after eating about 3 dishes of food!

Way back at the beiginning of this saga Rachel Frantas original great vet, decided to treat him for a brain infection and he has had the
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 27, 2010, 13:01:07 PM
Glad you are back safely :hug:

Thinking about You and Franta
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 27, 2010, 13:17:03 PM
I just wrote an enormous post and its gone!

Cant repaet now but will later.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: maryas on November 27, 2010, 13:43:15 PM
glad you managed to see another nice vet Gill after all the problems with vets in the past.  Hopefully he will pull through again like he has done for the past 2 years.

Lots of   :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you both

Love Bonnie and Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: snarf on November 27, 2010, 13:51:24 PM
 :hug: :hug:thinking of you both, hope the vet was able to help him
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Dawn F on November 27, 2010, 13:54:09 PM
hugs to you both Gill
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Liz on November 27, 2010, 14:14:11 PM
Gill we have all paws crossed here at the Clan for Franta and you :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: bunglycat on November 27, 2010, 15:02:23 PM
Loads of these for you and Poor Franta  :hug:  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Hope he picks up after the meds and gets over them for good .

Mega healing vibes being sent your way from us here .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on November 27, 2010, 15:46:43 PM
Just seen this as been offline 4 a day or two. So sorry to hear about darling Franta, glad u got to the vets and sounds like u got a good one this time. Sending lots of positive vibes for the darling boy and hugs for you Gill x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 27, 2010, 16:40:38 PM
Have only been home about half hoiur or so but Franta has had another seizure so thats 3 since about 0100, they seem to be coming every 6-7 hours. Think I should have gone out last night to get his meds,,,,,,,,sigh 

I think he had it while I was emptying the car but found him upstairs soaking wet from the water bowl and with biscuits stuck to him  :( He had managed to get to Duchas bed and was lying in there but had not eaten as he needed cos scoffed a dish of food immediately.

Saw yet another different vet Gerwiant.......I think thats how you spell it, was another of the partners very nice and very knowledgeable and knows about cats,

Rachel the last good vet at beginning decided to treat Franta for brain infection and ever since when he had seizures he was given marbocyl jabs although some of the vets reckoned he was epileptic but could not underestand why the abs worked.

Gerwiant spent a lot of time looking at Franta and talking with me and listening, and he reckons that Rachel was right because he says that epilepsy in cats is rare and tends to hit young cats like Zoes Ollie. He said that had Franta had a tumour he would now have serious problems from it but hasnt,, so no cancer. He said that if it was an ear problem by now Franta would have a head tilt but hasnt.

In fact his health is good and he doesnt look close to his age  ;D

I told him the seizures started about 4 months after he had a dental after which we had all sorts of problems cos he wouldnt eat and then it was found that he only had one kidney but because staying at the vets stressed him so badly and he howled and howled and trashed his cage, he was allowed to come home. This was after trying valium a couple of times which gave him an appetite temporarily but it didnt solve problem. Gradually at home he started eating again but then the seizures started.

Gerwaint thinks that during the dental some infection got into his blood stream and this got into his brain and caused an abcess at the front of his brain and when that grows it causes pressure and gives Franta the seizures. Over time he had a lot of marbocyl and gradually Franta got better and better until today. The 9 months since the last seizure is very good but somehow we need to kill off the infection.

The only way of proving this would an MRI but if this is correct the treatment would be the same as he is getting now, so no point.

He suggested maybe that a longer course of jabs may get rid of the infection but that is on hold at the moment and if he gets very bad he will have him in for observation. There are side effects of marbocyl apparently but forgot to ask what............sigh but know it can badly upset his tummy cos its so powerful.......lacto B to hand!

Gerwaint agrees with me that this has been coming on over last 3 weeks and all the head rubbing on everything and sometimes head banging could be cause he had a headache, I guess the shouting could be the same and its so sad that the poor little man has maybe been in so much pain, cos abcesses are very painful. He also didnt like me stroking his head, so another indicator.

So now gotta wait for the marbocyl to work again and think its gonna take more than a couple of days being he has had 3 seizures so close together.

Have to say I am exhausted and so stressed and just feel so sorry for him.

At least I know the indicators now although I dont remember any of them from before but hope the abs work quickly. Gerwaint has shaved some fur from the back of Frantas neck which hopefully will make my injection giving easier cos I can see the skin.

So just keeping fingers crossed for my little Franta.

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Dawn F on November 27, 2010, 16:44:02 PM
how awful Gill but I have to say this vet does sound like they know what they are talking about - I hope if they are right you can finally kill off the infection
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 27, 2010, 17:07:30 PM


Gill, all of that seems to make very good sense, given what your little man's been through.   :hug:  While it's fresh in your mind, keep a record of the symptoms Franta displayed over the last three weeks, and everything the vet told you today.  I think it will be a huge help for the future.

Meanwhile, am glad you made it there and back okay, and sending gentle snoozles for Franta Napoleon the Most Gorgeous.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 27, 2010, 18:25:48 PM
Thanks Sue  :hug:

Its all on this thread cos combined this one and the 3 week  as a record.

His whole history is on here and also have a smaller written record too.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on November 27, 2010, 19:01:32 PM
Saying lots of little prayers for Franta and a great big hug to you Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on November 27, 2010, 19:09:39 PM
I iz topping up the good well vibes for my buddy Franta

havvin seezures is not good i ave them also and it scares my meowmy

Get betta soon Franta

 i iz also sending headbutts and purrs to your meowmy

Ollie
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on November 27, 2010, 19:30:11 PM
Sending you both more hugs, Gill. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: tab on November 27, 2010, 19:39:49 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
to you both
love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: snarf on November 27, 2010, 20:02:27 PM
poor franta  :hug: everything crossed here

hope he feels better soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 27, 2010, 20:06:13 PM
Gill the vet Franta saw sounds spot on. Thank goodness he has got to the bottom of poor Franta's trouble.

Do hope the meds sort it out now and Franta does not have many side effects

Sending you both a :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: maryas on November 27, 2010, 20:43:47 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Bonnie and Mary xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Jiji on November 27, 2010, 20:52:29 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 27, 2010, 23:31:44 PM
Frantas had his 4th seizure today and they are coming every 6-7 hours . This is as bad as the very first time back in Feb 2009 and they were further apart then but went on for about 4-5 days.

so tired and so worried.

Next one due in about 0300 if he stays on schedule...........not much sleep for me I think.

I just feel so sorry for him and want my Franta back.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 27, 2010, 23:47:26 PM
Gill thinking about you both :hug: Hope you can get some sleep.

Hope the seizures start to settle very very soon :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on November 27, 2010, 23:53:39 PM
I wish I knew what to say, Gill. :care: Hope Franta improves soon.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: maryas on November 28, 2010, 00:01:16 AM
We all want the happy go lucky Franta Napoleon back too Gill.

Prayeres, vibes and hugs to you both.

Love Bonnie and Mary  xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: bunglycat on November 28, 2010, 00:13:27 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Rosella moggy on November 28, 2010, 00:16:32 AM
You will both be in my thoughts overnight Gill and very much hope you both can fit in some healing sleep  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ellen2010 on November 28, 2010, 02:16:14 AM
Hope his meds start helping him soon Gill, give Franta a big snuggle uggle cuddle from me and try to get some rest which I know is hard when you are so worried.  Thinking of you both and you need to take care of yourself, even if it means catching a couple of hours when he is dozing if you can.  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 28, 2010, 06:50:24 AM


Morning Gill.  How's the little feller this morning?  Sending gentle but huuuuuge hugs for you both   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on November 28, 2010, 11:09:35 AM


Morning Gill.  How's the little feller this morning?  Sending gentle but huuuuuge hugs for you both   :hug: :hug: :hug:

What Sue said. ;) I popped on to ask. :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 28, 2010, 11:51:15 AM
Hope you have had a good night Gill.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Dawn F on November 28, 2010, 12:04:31 PM
hope no news means you are all having a lie in
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Kirst on November 28, 2010, 12:12:23 PM
So sorry that Franta is poorly again - I hope he had a better night , and that he and you are well rested. :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 28, 2010, 12:42:44 PM
Hi all thank you for your thoughts and looks like they have helped  ;D along with the marbocyl  :innocent:

Franta has had a good night, ate around 0700..........ate loads!............and I was woken up about 1130 with a meow for more food  ;D

So I got some sleep but still feel wiped out and like I could sleep for millions of years!

He has had his jab cos his little tummy clock was just right timing for that and I was so tired around 0300 that didnt even think to put on alarm.

Going on yesterday his next seizure was due between 0300 and 0400 but it never came  ;D ;D

So he is now 15 hours without a seizure which is just so wonderful  ;D ;D

I just hope he keeps on improving and he is calmer and more relaxed than yesterday and that means I am too.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 28, 2010, 12:56:52 PM
Gill I am so pleased :hug:

Come on Franta :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Janeyk on November 28, 2010, 13:08:48 PM
 :) Glad to hear that Franta is seeming better today  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: moira on November 28, 2010, 13:14:52 PM
Thinking of you and Franta. Sending positive vibes
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on November 28, 2010, 13:18:32 PM
Excellent news. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Kay and Penny on November 28, 2010, 13:27:02 PM
well done, Franta

looks as if this latest episode has actually moved you forward in dealing with this, Gill, rather than it being a backward step :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 28, 2010, 13:40:28 PM
I wish it felt like that trigger........sigh

It just becomes one panic stressed out person at this end, tortured with watching the seizures and dreading doing the jabs.

He plays me up big time and rolled over onto his back so I couldnt get to the back of his neck  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on November 28, 2010, 14:35:04 PM
Sending lots of these for you and Franta  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:

I have everything crossed for him to continue seizure-ree.  As you know I great faith in Marbocyl after it brought Korky back from the brink.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Fire Fox on November 28, 2010, 14:53:51 PM
well done, Franta

looks as if this latest episode has actually moved you forward in dealing with this, Gill, rather than it being a backward step :hug:

My thoughts exactly!  ;D If there is a next time, you may be able to nip it in the bud (but let's :wish: this is the beginning of a happy ending).

 :hug: for you Gill, I know what a vicious circle being exhausted and stressed can be.  :hug:  Take care of your own wellbeing as well as Franta's if you can.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: pappilon on November 28, 2010, 15:05:25 PM
Well done Franta.
Gill :hug: :hug: Thinking of you and little guy.x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: bunglycat on November 28, 2010, 15:11:21 PM
So pleased he hasn''t had any more seizure - hope that yesterdays was the last he ever has now . :hug:
Lots of cuddles and healing vibes still being sent to the handsome man  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 28, 2010, 15:19:53 PM
Thank you every one  ;D

He is a bit restless at moment, could be the jab kicking in, hope so.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 28, 2010, 16:10:41 PM


Echoing what everyone else has said Gill, but having a quiet snicker at the fact he could still play you up when it came to jab time.  :evillaugh:  Gotter love the little man for his pugnacious attitude.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 28, 2010, 16:12:35 PM
 :crossed: :get well 3:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on November 28, 2010, 18:30:24 PM
Big hugs to you and Franta. Hope the meds starting to kick in.

I feel your stress. Its such a hard and emotional thing to deal with.

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: maryas on November 28, 2010, 20:17:56 PM
He plays me up big time and rolled over onto his back so I couldnt get to the back of his neck  :evillaugh:
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And would you just lay there and let someone jab you  :evillaugh: :rofl: :hug:

Looking good for you both.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Bonnie and Mary xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 28, 2010, 23:05:03 PM
No seizures for over 24 hrs which iis great but he is definately not himself, just lies on the floor in one place and I even have to take his food too him.

He is very hungry and I think exhausted from yesterday. I hope he will be a little brighter tomorrow.

One of probs is that I too am exhausted and the other cats are not getting enough attention and Misa especially gets upset.

Its soooooooooo very cold that neither Misa or Sasa want to go out and I am sitting under a duvet but keep falling asleep.

I hope tomorrow is better for all of us and warmer.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ellen2010 on November 28, 2010, 23:13:33 PM
So pleased for you and Franta Gill hopefully you may be able to get a good nights sleep tonight and feel more rested tomorrow.  Love the way he made it awkward for you to give him his jab at least it shows he still has his spirit and mischievous side.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Rosella moggy on November 28, 2010, 23:20:22 PM
Wishing you and the whole gang of 4 a peaceful night Gill with a speshul  :hug: for the main man
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 29, 2010, 08:39:29 AM


Hey Faberlush Frantaman, me and The Padster are sending you extra special snoozles today and hope you're starting to feel a lot better.   :cat rub:

You too Gill.    :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Liz on November 29, 2010, 10:01:13 AM
Gill hope you can all get some more rest today and that Franta continues to stay seizure free - we are all curled up on the couch here with our slanket and the heating on

Don't worry about the others they will sense that you and Franta are tired and apprehensive so long as they fed and have clean litter trays they will forgive you :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on November 29, 2010, 10:55:48 AM
Definitely topping up with more hugs. :hug: 24 hours, that's great!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on November 29, 2010, 11:21:48 AM
Topping up the vibes and  :hug: :hug: for Franta and you Gill, I hope that he is continuing to progress and that you managed some sleep last night  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 29, 2010, 12:47:56 PM
Thank you all and sadly he has gone backwards.

I was feeling quite chilled once past 24 hrs without a seizure and slept quite well as did Franta, Misa and Ducha who were all on my bed but around 1120 he had another seizure, 34 hrs after the last! This has never happened before and it was just before he was going to have a jab.

The new vet changed the amount of his meds from 0.9 to 0.7 and am wondering if that has caused this and that 0.7 is not enough to keep him going from one jab to another......I guess I need to ring and try to speak with him but suspect he wont be there if he was in duty all weekend.

Franta is quite shakey as I am again, cos thought we had broken the back after the first terrible day and am worried that we may have another terrible day  :(

Its amazing how one can go from feeling a bit better to feeling terrible again.

Late last night Franta was feeling well enough to come down stairs and snooze on the sofa and would not come back upstairs, so left him to do his own thing and eventually he came up and got on the bed and ciuddled by my head................all after I had gone to sleep.

I thought everything was progessing well............sigh
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 29, 2010, 12:59:44 PM
The new vet changed the amount of his meds from 0.9 to 0.7 and am wondering if that has caused this and that 0.7 is not enough to keep him going from one jab to another......I guess I need to ring and try to speak with him but suspect he wont be there if he was in duty all weekend.

Even if he isn't there, one of the other vets should be able to discuss the dosage with you  :hug:  If it's the same drug as he's had before, I'd be tempted to just increase the amount if that's what he's had before, but probably best to discuss it with the vet first.

Keeping everything crossed there are no more seizure.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 29, 2010, 13:05:46 PM
All other vetsw have given 0.9 but I cant increase cos all syringes are prefilled for me, there was a reason he reduced it but cant remember....sigh

Cant ring cos just found out phone is down and dont know how to top my mobile up,,,,,,,,,,,its old!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on November 29, 2010, 13:54:42 PM
Oh Gill sending you lots of  :hug: :hug: you must be so stressed, hope you can get through to the vets to discuss, have posted re top ups on your other thread  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 29, 2010, 14:05:51 PM
Thanks Ann and have got the top up done  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 29, 2010, 14:27:24 PM
Gill hope Franta will not have any more seizures :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 29, 2010, 14:35:54 PM
He is playing me up to some extent but could just be confusion, I just went up to check on hiom and he immediately started meowing, so gave him more food which he licked and left, so he isnt hungry.

He may just want me to stay with him but doesnt really want to be stroked...........attention seeking!

Oh hell forgotten to put food down for Misa when he wakes up...........rushing upstairs downstairs , washing cat dishes most of which used upstairs and trying to get phones sorted and now waiting for vets to ring.......my poor head not functioning very well
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on November 29, 2010, 14:50:52 PM
 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 29, 2010, 16:52:01 PM
Finally after 4 phones calls and 4 different receptionists one passed me through to Garath and he agrees that the change in the meds may have caused the seizure and he told me its Ok to up the dose and for now to open up one syringe and take out another 0.2 and then take the syringes in to be topped up tomorrow amd he will also give me a rectal valium tube for Franta incase of a really bad seizure.

I had forgotten about that on Sat cos have one in fridge but its been there since feb.

Frantas tummy now gone, my bloomin fault cos forgot to start the lacto B yesterday and when he has a seizure all I think of is getting him to eat quickly  :-[

Will bring the jab forward tomorrow to try and stop another seizure, we were out by about 20 mins today.

It would be lovely if he felt good enough to come down stairs again tonight cos it will mean the marbocyl has kicked in again.

Franta has moved closer to the littter tray, poor boy.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: cazzer on November 29, 2010, 17:18:07 PM
 :hug: poor franta
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: clarenmax on November 29, 2010, 17:20:26 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Kirst on November 29, 2010, 17:27:32 PM
Poor Franta - lets hope he soon feels better xxxxx :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on November 29, 2010, 17:33:28 PM
Oh Gill. Poor Franta, hope he improves again soon. :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 29, 2010, 18:07:37 PM
Sorry to hear that Franta's seizures have started again,  :hug: - I missed this thread, been so wrapped up in my own sadness about George, havent been keeping up. Hope you can get this under control soon  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 29, 2010, 19:29:21 PM
Gill, you've had a heck of a worrying day, but glad they've given you the go-ahead at the vets.  Sending lots of "peaceful night" vibes for you and Franta.     :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 29, 2010, 19:32:11 PM
Thank you very much everyone  :hug:

The support means so much to me and helps me keep going when its rough and that helps me to keep Franta going.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on November 29, 2010, 20:01:18 PM
Gill so sorry Franta is having more seizueres. The rectal valium is brilliant, I use that with Ollie and it calms him down. will pm you
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on November 29, 2010, 21:09:15 PM
Gill - do hope the increased (normal) dose will help control the seizures for Franta.

Sending lots of these for you and Franta  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: bunglycat on November 29, 2010, 21:21:47 PM
Poor Franta and poor you  :hug :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Hope the increased dose helps him and his tummy soon settles too .
What a stressful time for you all  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Sending loads of healing vibes to Franta from the persian gang here.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 29, 2010, 22:00:29 PM
Hope You and Franta can get some rest tonight :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Steff - Petsearch Bedford HQ on November 29, 2010, 23:03:14 PM
Hugs Gill to you and Franta

Been thinking about you guys today and really hoped the seizures would have stopped.

I hope the meds help
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: ChrisB on November 29, 2010, 23:13:12 PM
 Gill, :hug: :hug: to you and Franta - in my thoughts.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 30, 2010, 00:58:10 AM
Thank you and off to bed soon and hope to get full meds him tomorrow before todays run out and hope that will stop a seizure tomorrow morning.

Then off to the vets to get full meds for him.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 30, 2010, 07:01:29 AM



Just popping by to wish you both good morning and hoping and praying you both had a good night.  You certainly needed one.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 30, 2010, 08:25:20 AM
Poor Franta.  I hope he's feeling better soon - fingers crossed the increased dose will do the trick.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on November 30, 2010, 08:54:34 AM
Sending get better vibes and hugs in abundance.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on November 30, 2010, 08:56:53 AM
Hope you have safe journey to vets :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JenGeorgieBob on November 30, 2010, 09:38:38 AM
drive carefully getting his new meds  :hug: and fingers crossed you have a lovely day together and Franta is back to himself  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on November 30, 2010, 10:28:54 AM
Topping up the positive vibes for Frantaman.  Hope you've had a peaceful night and hoping for no more seizures - ever.  Have a safe trip to vets.  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 30, 2010, 13:28:56 PM
We had a very good night but a terrible this morning...........sigh

I gave Franta his jab and he was being his usual naughty self and rolling on his back and making life so hard, took 15 mins to get the jab in which makes us so stressed.

I noticed the red mark on his neck that I saw yesterday was bigger and avoided that bit but after the jab it was like he was nearly paralised aqnd he crawled a bit a lay with eyes closed and wasnt moving but was breathing.

Phoned up vets and they said to bring him then as emergency.

Car was frozen, Ducha was being sick all over place and big cats had no food and I was in total panic.

During the hours very fast drive, I thought he had stopped breathing at one point but then he moved his head, broke speed limit all way! Saw a horrible snidey vet, who didnt do people at all and by this time Franta was sitting up flashing his blue eyes but was not himself at all. Wasnt sure he really did cats either!

He pronounced Franta fine but wanted to change his meds.........why cant they read the bloomin notes......anser was he must not change the meds.......I told him that Franta was not right and I had a problem tomorrow cos the course I cant cancel was tomorrow not Friday like I thought and if I have problem like this morning I would have real problems.

He said I could bring Franta in tomorrow and they would keep him till the evening or he could stay now..............but it was like snap snap fast fast decision................my head was not upto making fast decisions......so he decided that he would go and fill the syringes up to correct level while I thought about it. He also said he could give anti-imflamatory jab which would help Frantas neck and also the abcess in his brain.

I decided that Franta should stay and I would collect him after 1800 tomorrow, he assured me that anti imflamatory would not work contrary to the marbocyl and I told him that the marbocyl must not be changed.

I had taken Frantas food, lacto B incase he had to stay but wanted to give specific feeding instructions, but he said he would send the head nurse to get those. I asked him why the reaction this morning and he sorta shrugged and said he didnt know...............and from attitude and look on face he obviously didnt care either.

The head VN was lovely and gave her the food and instructions, Told her he only answered to Napoleon and hated dogs. She said that cats and dogs were seperated now and also told her he hated being in a cage at vets and has in passed trashed the cage completely. She said if he didnt like being with the other cats, he could also be in a room on his own but I said he probably would be better to be with the other cats cos there would be more people contact and he just loved people.

By this time he was fluttering his eyes at her and cuddling up being stroked until she picked him up, he didnt like that much and I told her he was a clawing, licking biting monster..............she said she was used to that and her arms were covered in scratches! I told her lick turned into abite and she said they had had another birman in who did that and maybe its a birman thing. Also the shouting at top of voice.

She said I can ring in at any time and speak to the nurse on duty, even after hours.......sad the vet wasnt as nice. Steele was his name and also nature!

Sharon was head Vn just so I can look here and remember.

So sadly he is in their care now and hope he will be alright, I am missing him already.

But hoping that my stress will drop a bit cos need to be not angry while on this course tomorrow, which is a car speed awareness course that I was offered inlieu of points on my licence back in mid Sep, this was first course available cos they are targetting drivers on the M4 J23 - J28 grrrrrrrrr. I couldnt cancel it without losing £80 and maybe not getting another within time limit that police set and then getting points on licence.

Will ring about Franta just after 1800 and maybe later tonight, and hope they tellme he is sleeping all peaceful like and has been a good boy and no seizures.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Dawn F on November 30, 2010, 13:52:17 PM
sorry to hear things aren't going well

re the speed awareness course - if is like the London one it is several hours of nothing so don't worry about it  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 30, 2010, 13:56:33 PM
4hrs of talking I believe but such a waste of time.......sigh although better than points
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on November 30, 2010, 14:18:48 PM
Topping up the  :hug: :hug: and positive vibes for you and Franta, you must have been so stressed this morning and the last thing you need is a snidey vet. Glad the VN was nice though, hopefully Franta will be a bit better when you ring later  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on November 30, 2010, 14:39:07 PM
 :hug:  :hug:  :hug:

Sorry the news isn't better.  Hard though it is I think you made the right decision leaving him at the vets.  perhpas you'll be able to get some rest (even though you are still worrying about him).
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 30, 2010, 14:42:07 PM

Gill, am so sorry the day got off to such a bad start.  :hug:  On the plus side, at least the VN was lovely, and as she's the one likely to spend most time with Franta, that's probably for the best. 

With regard to your speed awareness course, it isn't so bad.  Much better than points on your licence and a fine. Although, I can't really talk rationally about speed cameras and revenue they raise because I just become a raving lunatic!  :evillaugh:  I understand reckless speeds kill, but I can't agree with all speed limits imposed or where certain cameras are situated.  I know of some genuine Northumberland accident blackspots where cameras have been declined time and again , and yet a place near where I work regularly has mobile camera traps set up, and when I enquired of the Council, there have been NO fatalaties on that stretch of road in the last 10 years, and it isn't near a school or other built up area of housing etc - it runs on the outskirts of industrial wasteland.  Madness.   >:(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 30, 2010, 15:01:36 PM
Just had a call from the vets......panic panic.............from David Steele the guy I spoke to this morning.

He has now read through all Frantas notes and was much more civilized and Franta is doing fine except not eating.

He wanted to check if I wanted bloods done cos none had been done since he was at old vets and we discussed and he listened! As Franta would have to be sedated I did not think a good idea, he said they maybe could get withought but I was worried that the stress would cause him to have a seizure and David agreed.

I asked him what woulld it help as Franta cant be pilled so only thing he could have would be a jab and he said special food. I told him both birmans were near impossible to feed as he could see now as Franta wont eat.....he agreed.

He said to ring through again about 1745 and see how Franta is, so much better to talk to on the phone, maybe it was a bad time this morning.

So hope Franta is eating by then and if not they should not put so much lacto B in food and it must be mixed in............surely they would mix it in.........wouldnt they!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on November 30, 2010, 19:33:23 PM
Awww bless. poor Franta get better soon
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 30, 2010, 19:45:43 PM


What news Gill?  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: bunglycat on November 30, 2010, 22:09:58 PM
Poor Franta - how is he doing -any news ?
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on November 30, 2010, 22:15:50 PM
 :hug:  :hug:  :hug:

Hope Franta is eating again.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: maryas on November 30, 2010, 22:40:48 PM
Gill, that VN, Sharon sounds so nice and glad David Steele has turned out to be ok too.  Hopefully both you and Franta will have a good night.

Bonnie and Mary  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: pappilon on November 30, 2010, 22:48:48 PM
Thinking of you and Franta :hug: :hug: xx
Pav
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 30, 2010, 23:18:46 PM
Franta was still not eating by 1750 and was told he is sitting/lying in his cage and behaving and this is so not Franta!

So I am a bit worried about him cos they dont know him like I do and he is not a quiet well behaved cat.

I told David that maybe if they tried the felix cos he only licks the jelly,...........and he said and thats better than nothing...and also to not put too much lacto b in the other food and to mix it in.

He said to ring back about 10 tomorrow, I think I just want Franta home cos it so quiet without him but will have to wait until tomorrow night.

Even when he was upstairs sleeping , I could feel his presence and knew any time he would come down stairs head butting ands rubbing and just climb up on me without asking.

When he was at the other vets a year and a half ago, I could hear him howling as I went thro the door and he came home not because he was better but because he wouldnt eat and he completely trashed his cage...........he was standing on back legs leaning through the bars of cage. Rachel understood him so well and knew it was no good keeping him there.

Ok this time he is with cats only and maybe is getting attention but when I rang I was told the vn didnt know how he was, only David!!
This morning before the jab he was just acting as normal Franta but they dont know what normal Franta is like.

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 01, 2010, 08:06:57 AM


Gill, am keeping all crossed that Franta will be allowed home today, and that you can coax him into eating something nutritious - or not - as long as he's getting something inside him, it counts as food.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ellen2010 on December 01, 2010, 09:28:09 AM
Hi Gill have just caught up with yesterdays going ons, so sorry that the vet originally did not seem concerned but have had experience of vets like that and they generally think you are trying to tell them their job, or being over anxious and worrying about nothing, or that they know better than the owner, glad his attitude changed after seeing Franta's notes.  Yes I have a couple of cats that hate being in the pet carriers and will scream the vehicle down until they arrive at the vets and then take it out on the vets, vn or whoever decides they are going near them besides me.

Hope Franta is home soon Gill and on the road to recovery, the reddening on the neck could be signs of slouching of the skin which you don't want and was advisable to avoid where it was red and even more sensible to get things checked out. 

Be careful in this snow driving anywhere Gill as it is only going to get worse before it gets better, should know am up north and we have major roads closed all around us and not exactly rural as live in a town but the county is classed as rural.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Roz on December 01, 2010, 11:12:07 AM
Hi Gill,

What's this about dear Franta?  I've only just looked in on Purrs after about a year (not because I haven't wanted to...it's just that it's so addictive and often very sad which makes me depressed and unable to get on with my work....I just can't the images out of my mind) and am amazed at how it's grown!!!!

Who'd have thought it when Tan's husband (Mr Fabulous) started it that night to get us out of trouble for the Chrissie auction....just as a temporary measure until CC was back?  The auction that year was for lovely Ron if I remember correctly.  Will speak more about the auction a little later.

So how is our beautiful Franta?  From what I can read he is at the vet surgery.  I hope the little babe recovers soon...bless.  Those little Birmies must be getting on now because they were quite elderly when you took them on weren't they?  I think last year that you were a little worried about Franta...and I've often thought about him and Ducha.

I will look in on this thread a little later to update myself.

Lots of love to the little fella (and to you of course)

Roz
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on December 01, 2010, 11:46:26 AM
Roz lovely to have you back  ;D

Gill just topping up those vibes for darling Franta and  :hug: for you. I hope he is eating again and that he gets home safe and sound tonight.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: bunglycat on December 01, 2010, 18:59:42 PM
Just wondering how Franta is and if he is back home with you .
Still sending healing vibes and loads of these  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:  for all of you.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 01, 2010, 20:22:19 PM
Just back home with Franta who sang all the way  ;D

Gareth said he had started to shout at the surgery so thats a good sign.

He was very thirsty and have left him tucking into some felix and he didnt eat much at all while away.

His neck is looking better......what is slouching of the skin Ellen?

Only two more jabs to go so hopes tomorrows goes alright.

He is very pleased to be home and I missed him so much last night although the other cats didnt miss him at all.

Lovely to see you Roz and I remember Purrs start so well and yes that auction was for Ron just like this one is  ;D We have reorganized and changed our look this year as you discovered  :rofl:

Franta and Ducha birman are now 17 and a quarter and poor Franta has a brain infection that started in Feb 09 with terrible seizures which carried on every few months until Feb this year. He was then fine until about 3 weeks ago when he just wasnt himself and then on Sat at aboiut 0100 the seizures came back.

Its thought he has an abcess on the front part of his brain and when it grows it puts pressure on the brain that cause seizures. Gareth his vet and Geraint the vet that saw him on Sat boith are inagreement and Franta has injections for 7 days of a powerful ab called marbocyl , its one that gets intgo his brain...........its a possibility that a longer course may help but thats on hold at present.

Anyway I am just so pleased to have him home tonight.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 01, 2010, 20:24:39 PM
Great news that Franta came home singing all the way ;D

Am sure you will rest a lot easier tonight :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on December 01, 2010, 20:34:41 PM
Yeayyy! :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: bunglycat on December 01, 2010, 22:10:55 PM
So pleased he is home.
Having to check on my mobile as home Internet is down(tiscali)
Hope he continues to do well
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 01, 2010, 22:32:15 PM
He came downstairs but the stairs were a bit of a challenge for him and his little head is a bit shakey.

I hope he will eat a bit more cos sure thats part of it and of course he has been in a cage for a day and a half
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 01, 2010, 23:02:23 PM
Poor Franta has been through quite a bit and am sure he will begin to settle again :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 01, 2010, 23:13:09 PM
Glad Franta is home and here's hoping you both have a good night.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ellen2010 on December 01, 2010, 23:28:34 PM

His neck is looking better......what is slouching of the skin Ellen?

It is where the skin comes away from the tissues underneath the skin and can actually die off (due to not getting any blood supply), the first signs is normally the fur falling off and is normally located at or around injection sites because of the fluid going underneath the skin.  I had it happen with a foster cat which the vet injected every month with Larabinol to try and combat the symptoms of Hepatitis which the cat had.  It is normally treated with Fuciderm on the affected area.

Glad to hear you have Franta home Gill and hope he gets better soon.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: ChrisB on December 01, 2010, 23:31:08 PM
Gill, so pleased that Franta is back home  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 01, 2010, 23:32:05 PM
Thanks Ellen, I dont think its that cos he has been shaved at back of neck and more tonight to male it easier for me to inject cos his fur is so thick.

The site is no longerr red thank goodness but will watch for anything like that.

Only two more jabs to go I hope.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ellen2010 on December 01, 2010, 23:36:09 PM
I know when the fur came off the foster cat which had not been shaved the skin underneath looked quite red and the cat had to have the injections scattered about rather than in the same place all the time.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: maryas on December 01, 2010, 23:57:30 PM
He will be velcroed to his mum soon enough   :rofl: :Luv2: :hug: :Luv2:

Mary

Napoleon - keep warm and stay strong - it'll soon be Valentine's Day  ;)

Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 02, 2010, 07:54:42 AM


Morning Gill - hoping that you've had a little velcro Franta Napoleon snuggled up with you through the night, with the odd shout just to let you know that he can.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on December 02, 2010, 10:36:01 AM
Hoping Mr Franta is feeling more like himself today. And massive hugs to you, Gill. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Jiji on December 02, 2010, 11:07:30 AM
Glad to hear Franta is home. Sending best wishes and  :hug: to you both.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 02, 2010, 12:02:38 PM
Thank you all  ;D

Ummmmmmmmmm Sue, you got it so wrong LOL

Amazing how having Franta home again has sent me back to total exhaustion.........sigh

Hardly had any sleep because as soon as managed to doze off I was woken be meow meow meow etc .To start with he seemed to be hungry but by 0700 he wasnt hungry any more and he was by then sitting in the door way so assumed it was something to do with the litter tray, went and looked and could not see anything wrong.

Eventually he quietened but not till about 0900 so maybe got a few winks then but his jab was due around 10.

Managed to get his jab done OK, he seemed to be a bit down after it but sure it doesnt get into his system that quick, so maybe cross at himswelf for being caught  :shify:

Then I went to change the tray and found that someone had missed it and all the liquid had gone under the tray on the carpet protector, so sadly I think all his shouting was cos his meowmy was stoopid and didnt see this and he was telling me over and over that he is a clean cat but had an accident,..............sigh.

Birmans are just so human and get upset so easily especially when they have stoooooopid meowmys like me!

I am hoping that he will be OK while I pop out for a couple of hours to my art class, need to get destressed and also get him some felix to lick the jelly off.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Dawn F on December 02, 2010, 12:06:23 PM
glad he is doing ok and keeping you in line!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on December 02, 2010, 12:07:58 PM
Glad he is back home with you Gill, he's certainly keeping you on your toes  ;D Sending big  :hug: :hug: to both of you and hope you manage to get out for a couple of hours  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 02, 2010, 12:11:02 PM
 :rofl: :rofl:  D'you know what Gill?  I couldn't be happier, reading that!  :evillaugh: :evillaugh:   he just wanted to keep you on your toes.

Bless him, topping up snoozles and Ppprrffppptts for our hansum lil chap.   ;) :cat rub:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: maryas on December 02, 2010, 17:54:00 PM
Gill, the liquid under the litter tray is called WEE  :naughty: :rofl: :hug:

The little darling  :hug: :Luv2: :hug:

Bonnie and Mary xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Angiew on December 02, 2010, 18:11:37 PM

Then I went to change the tray and found that someone had missed it and all the liquid had gone under the tray on the carpet protector
glad he's a bit brighter.

Had this all the time with Tipsy and Pepsi (RIPs). They both stood in the tray (squatting too much for them as they got older) and managed a backward squirt all over the floor.

To me trays looked nice and clean until I was tidying around them, lifted the trays to be met by a puddle of old, wet, smelly urine  :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 02, 2010, 18:27:59 PM
The birmans sit with front paws out and back paws in...............someone forgot to tell them its where the tail is that counts  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 02, 2010, 19:51:44 PM
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 02, 2010, 20:12:03 PM
 :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 02, 2010, 23:25:09 PM
Franta has been very quiet all day and has eaten but just stayed on the bed. I hope he is just adjusting and feels better than he is acting. Last jab tomorrow.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Rosella moggy on December 03, 2010, 08:15:19 AM
Hope Franta was OK overnight Gill  :hug:.  Like you I'd be concerned whether latest run of meds has gone on long enough and wonder if you have emergency supplies for the weekend if needed? If not, are vets able to put meds in post to you to save you having to make dangerous journeys on icey roads.   Have you checked length of treatment last time round?  I do worry about that handsome little man.  Sending strongest get well vibes  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 03, 2010, 08:23:51 AM



Popping by to echo Rosella's thoughts.  Might be better if they could post you out some back up supplies.

Sending lots of love to you and our Faberlush Frantaman. x x x  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on December 03, 2010, 11:05:29 AM
REALLY hoping Franta is showing big signs of improvement today. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on December 03, 2010, 11:23:31 AM
Hope Franta has improved a little today Gill, topping up the vibes and  :hug: :hug: for you both
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 03, 2010, 12:11:34 PM
Thank you all  ;D

Franta slept better last night..................or was it I was so out of it that he couldnt wake me. always a worry.

He slept until 0800 and then woke me up for food and that food seemed to be non-stop for half an hour or so.

I then fell asleep again!

He had more food and his jab, although he kept moving at the vital time.....sigh

He had the other half of his food after but today was brighter than he has been but is now up on the bed.

Todays jab was the last one and I do have some spare meds in the fridge but need to speak to Gareth preferably later today.

It looks like he is coming through this bout but am not sure that all the problems have helped and he didnt eat, drink, possibly sleep much at the vets and they said he was quiet and watching everything.

I need to know how long the meds I have in the fridge will be good enoiugh to use and at what point do I start giving them again, if I need to.

Some time in mid next week I have to drive past the vets to get the cat litter and also pop in to collect a towel that they had shoved in the blooming washing machine, so would be a good time to pick up more meds if they have a decent life in the fridge.

Hoping that today is the turning point but know he is still not back to normal.

He came downstairs after midnight when I was doing the auction update and he was velcroed to me and wouldnt let me type lol, then he bit me and that was that!  He is back to his biting aand have been bitten this morning...............he is soooooooooo norty  :innocent:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Dawn F on December 03, 2010, 12:12:59 PM
glad to hear he is doing well
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on December 03, 2010, 14:38:42 PM
Certainly sounding more positive Gill, especially if he is back to biting - naughty boy  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: clarenmax on December 03, 2010, 16:15:39 PM
Naughty is always a good sign of feeling better  :hug: :Luv:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 03, 2010, 16:30:39 PM
Glad his improvement is continuing and hope he doesn't need any more jabs - for your sake as well as his  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on December 03, 2010, 19:04:45 PM
So so pleased Franta is improving
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 03, 2010, 19:25:58 PM
He was at top of the stairs when I got in and immediately started howling for food!

Its not like he hasnt got any....sigh but he wanted fresh from the pouch and tin!

He is not very happy about coming down the stairs although is OK going up. He just does one step at a time at moment and hope that will improve.

He gets on and off the bed OK and me on the sofa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 03, 2010, 19:47:55 PM
Glad he's on the mend  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 03, 2010, 20:20:58 PM
Good news ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: maryas on December 03, 2010, 22:03:52 PM
Thank you all  ;D

He came downstairs after midnight when I was doing the auction update and he was velcroed to me and wouldnt let me type lol, then he bit me and that was that!  He is back to his biting aand have been bitten this morning...............he is soooooooooo norty  :innocent:
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That's what I like to hear Gill  :naughty: :rofl: :hug: :Luv2:

Bonnie and Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Kirst on December 04, 2010, 08:23:28 AM
What is it with birmans and biting , Oscar was a devil for it too! So Glad Franta is on the mend :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 04, 2010, 09:54:35 AM
That's all I needed to know.....  :evillaugh:  Sending hugs for you and Franta this morning  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: JackSpratt on December 04, 2010, 10:57:14 AM
That's a good sign, when a cat is back to it's demanding, annoying self.... :evillaugh: :hug: :hug: Glad to hear this, Gill.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on December 04, 2010, 12:01:53 PM
Topping up the Franta hugs  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 04, 2010, 12:21:16 PM
Franta says hi to everyone and that he is feeling better than he was cos nobody has stuck hjm with a pointy thing  ;D

however he still has a way to go and is very twitchy, and meowy at night, also bitey but he is under my chin at the moment  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Ellen2010 on December 04, 2010, 12:52:39 PM
So pleased for you and Franta that he is doing so well.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: bunglycat on December 04, 2010, 15:11:25 PM
Really pleased he is doing well -long may it continue  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 07, 2010, 13:57:52 PM
Afraid I lost sight of Frantas thread during the auction but he is still shouting akthough there is usually a reason if I can fathom it LOL

He is doing better now although a cople of days ago I was wondering whether the jabs would need to start again.

He is sleeping more, eating well and also coming for longer cuddle times......they had stopped completely as he was getting closer to the seizures starting.

So all in all I am pleased with his progress now and hope it continues.

Thank you to everyone for their good wishes   ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 07, 2010, 14:20:26 PM
So pleased he's doing well.  Maybe when the auction is finally out of the way and you can relax more he will too.  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 07, 2010, 14:34:54 PM
Great news ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Rosella moggy on December 07, 2010, 15:19:51 PM
So pleased to hear Franta is behaving more normally Gill.  Long may it continue  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Fire Fox on December 07, 2010, 16:25:43 PM
Great to hear the meds are working their magic!  ;D Climbing downstairs requires more balance and coordination than a single jump on and off a large object such as a bed or a lap, it could be that his ears were temporarily affected by the pressure in his head? I have to hold on when I walk downstairs in my favourite pair of heels, simply because the small platform means I misjudge the steps. I also see with my gym clients how many struggle to walk on a treadmill for the first time, as their feet and eyes are sending their poor brain two different signals!  :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: maryas on December 07, 2010, 22:05:05 PM
Fantastic Gill.

Hope you've remembered to make notes of everything to put with all your others as there were some different things happening this time - especially how good he was at the vet and didn't try to destroy the cage.

Love Bonnie and Mary  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 07, 2010, 22:20:21 PM
Thank you everyone and hope it just continues and continues.

I think I will be popping into the vets tomorrow and hope I can get some info about the life of the meds and also the towel lol, I have to pass there onway to the pet shop for the cat litter.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 08, 2010, 18:47:18 PM
Really pleased to hear this Gill - just catching up after being away, and sending a chirrupy "pppprfffppptt" for Faberlush Frantaman.  :Luv:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 08, 2010, 21:03:29 PM
Been to vets today to seee how long the abs in the syringe will last in Fridge and told 28 days,

I need to have a supply cos really dont think he is going to get past Christmas before this starts again, he really isnt himself. Far too quiet and has just slept on my bed for last two days and he is sleeping at night.

He eats his food on the bed and only gets down to have a drink or use the tray.

Very worrying really
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Stuart on December 08, 2010, 21:17:24 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 08, 2010, 22:06:36 PM
Sending lots of positive vibes for Franta to pick up soon and a big  :hug: for you Gill
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: bunglycat on December 08, 2010, 22:35:01 PM
Loads of positive and get well Franta vibes from us all too  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - more seizures
Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 08, 2010, 22:51:19 PM
Hope he's ok  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 09, 2010, 23:57:43 PM
Franta is no better and am very worried about him, need to try and speak to his vet tomorrow and we may end up going,

He is just sleeping and eating and not doing anything else.  he is has tried to head butt me once but was not his normal  and he always has his tail up and no more  :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Ellen2010 on December 10, 2010, 00:09:59 AM
Hope you get it sorted out what it is.  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 10, 2010, 00:29:12 AM
He might just need some more injections Gill or he might just be having an off day.

 :hug: :hug: to you both.

Bonnie and Mary xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 10, 2010, 00:30:21 AM
Its not an off day Mary, he has been like this all week
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 10, 2010, 07:04:09 AM


Gill, am thinking of you both, and sending these  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: blackcat on December 10, 2010, 07:23:17 AM
Could it be a side-effect of the medication? Sorry things are not going your way at present Gill ... :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 10, 2010, 08:56:50 AM
No Jo I dont think so as he has had this ab for a year on and off.

He hs eeither gagging when eating or hsving probs swallowing, he has lost his voice and last time I heard him shout was this time yesterday, his eyes look lifeless and I dont think he can get down stairs, his tail is down and I am waiting for vets to open. His nose last night was a bit riunny.

Sooooooooooooo worried about him cos this is not Franta.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: clarenmax on December 10, 2010, 09:11:24 AM
Such a worry hun, hope you manage to see the vet today and you can get some answers  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 10, 2010, 10:43:25 AM
I have everything crossed that the vets can get Franta sorted Gill.  I can tell by the timing of your posts just how worried you are. :hug:   :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Kirst on December 10, 2010, 10:43:50 AM
Oh No - sending all our love and gentle cuddles for Franta xxxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: pappilon on December 10, 2010, 11:15:49 AM
Thinking of you and Franta. Sending positive vibes for beautiful boy. :hug: :hug:x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on December 10, 2010, 11:39:52 AM
So sorry to hear darling Franta is not himself, you must be so worried about him. I hope you can get to speak to the vets and they can get him sorted out.

Sending lots of positive vibes and lots of  :hug: :hug: to you both and will be thinking of you.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 10, 2010, 13:03:32 PM
I have just got home from vet again with Franta. He has had two injections and hoping they will bring him back to his  normal self, one being an appetite booster which must work slowly cos he not hungry!

He also had an anabolic steroid to try and reduce any inflamation he may have but his bloods are almost perfect for any cat of 17 but very good for one with only one kidney. He has a very slight temperature but heart and lungs fine, no lumps and he looks very good but he has lost his voice and is hoarse as he rediscovered it at the vets ........sigh

Its all a mystery why he isnt himself and seemed to have been getting worse over last 3 days,,,,,,,,,,,,,he positively bounced upstairs after getting out of his carrier and now is back on my bed in the same place he has been all week.

Gareth said to give him to monday and if no improvement I can pop down for 5-7 days of syringes of abs for him..........a normal one not marbocyl.  He is going away but he will talk to the other two vets that have seen Franta who are Garaint and Emma so they know the situation.

Its all a mystery cos he said Franta is just so good for his age both from the outside and inside.

So really hoping he will improve over the weekend.

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Dawn F on December 10, 2010, 13:06:44 PM
well I suppose that is good news although we all like to know for sure I know, hope he improves over the weekend
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 10, 2010, 13:08:18 PM


Good news regards the bloods Gill.  I know Paddy's always responded well to the appetite booster jabs, and was usually noshing within a few hours, albeit little nibbles at stuff.  Hoping Franta will too.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 10, 2010, 13:18:06 PM
Good news that the tests are all OK but frustrating that you can't put a name to what ails him.  Maybe he just doesn't like the weather.  Sending  :hug:  :hug: to you both.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 10, 2010, 13:20:31 PM
You are right its so frustrating. I know about the brain infection but this is something else grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 10, 2010, 16:04:50 PM
Hope he picks up soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on December 10, 2010, 16:51:45 PM
Gill - do hope Franta impoves   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 10, 2010, 17:38:34 PM
Hopefully the injections will do thr trick.  So glad other tests were a good result.

About him not eating Gill, I bought Bonnie some Weebox the other day - wasn't in the usual packet - they were in a box and a lot heavier.  When I got home I discovered it's like a liquid/pate.

Bonnnie is sometimes like Franta and licks the gravy or jelly then goes back for the meat, so I put some on her meat and she wolfed it down - maybe it would get Franta to eat?

I got them from Morrisons but maybe other places sell it too.

Bonnie said I can send one of hers in the post tomorrow if you want me to.  ;)

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 10, 2010, 20:33:44 PM
Franta never goes back for the meat LOL,,,,,,,,,,he only eats the chunks after he has had a seizure.

Appetite jab doesnt seem to have made any difference.....sigh,,,,,,,,,I not long been back from Tescoes cos so tired I vcrashed out for second afternoon running..........Ducha woke me up!

So fed Franta and he ate some of the pate food which was good and when I went back he was hiding!

I have to go to Morrisons next week so will have a look Mary , thanks.

Thank you for all your good wishes for Franta, keeps me going  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 11, 2010, 07:54:29 AM
 :shify:  Pssht - Franta!  Is me, Paddy.  Is yoo noshin yet?  I 'opes yoo dun feelin betterer dis mornin.  I sends yer dis  :cat rub: :catplay2:   :shify:

Paddy x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 11, 2010, 12:28:37 PM
Hi Paddy afraid Franta is sneezing and has a bunged up nose, and am still worried about him  :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Ellen2010 on December 11, 2010, 13:36:59 PM
Gill I would get him to the vets as it could be the start or something like cat flu which they are more prone to getting when they are unwell even if innoculated against it as their immune system is low.

Really hope it is not that sending you both lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 11, 2010, 13:51:14 PM
He was at vets yesterday and his breathing and everything was OK, I can go and get abs for him on Monday that I will inject.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 12, 2010, 08:12:50 AM


Gill, how's our little guy this morning?  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on December 12, 2010, 08:48:48 AM
Hi Gill , how is Franta today

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 12, 2010, 11:53:04 AM
He is still all bunged up and has lost his voice completely.

I must be sleepy so lightly that one of his nose blows will wake me up unless it was a try at sgouting but it was when he wanted food. He is finding it hard to eat I think especially the pate.

Its very cold again and car is frosted up but am going to ring the vets shortly for advice cos dont want to take him out, also now have congunctivitus in the other eye, think somethong must have caught me in the night!

I feel that the steriod has possibly worked an that if he wasnt so bunged up he would be quite good but of course that may just be wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 12, 2010, 14:31:33 PM
 :(  Not good if we have both of you poorly.  :hug:  Paddy sends his "luvs" x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: bunglycat on December 12, 2010, 14:35:08 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 12, 2010, 15:42:48 PM
I am keeping fingers crossed cos Frantas nose doesnt look as bad as last night and he is sleeping peacefully.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 13, 2010, 06:58:05 AM


What news this morning Gill - how's Franta, and how are your eyes?  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: clarenmax on December 13, 2010, 07:45:35 AM
Topping up the well wishes  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 13, 2010, 09:12:41 AM
Am waiting for vets to ring, he is still all bunged up and apart from his blowing through is nose, havent heard him make any other sound since Friday..

Its very cold out there and dont really want to take him outside but as he will have to see Geraint I supect he will insist that I take Franta.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 13, 2010, 09:50:35 AM
Have spoken to Geraint and am off to get some abs for Franta and also something that can be put in his food to break up the mucas.

He says if there is a virus element then the abs will have little effect, so keeping fingers crossed that they will help.

Just wish they would read the notes left for them before bloomin spouting!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 13, 2010, 11:13:27 AM
Good luck Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug:

No one ever reads notes - a while ago at the hospital my mum's specialist who has been seeing her for 6 months asked her if she smoked?  :shocked: IDIOT.

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on December 13, 2010, 16:34:23 PM
Just topping up the vibes and cuddles for you both. I hope the abs and the other medicine have a good effect on darling Franta  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on December 13, 2010, 16:38:27 PM
Hope Franta is better soon , thinking about you

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 13, 2010, 16:44:07 PM
Well that took forever.......sigh

Waited at vets for about an hour, all reception staff off sick and I asked the lady they borrowed from another branch how long it would be, she rang through and withim minutes Geraint turned up, so reckon the nurse that was manning the desk didnt bloomin tell him I was there!

Anyway have abs ands soimething called disloven which is a powder and just add a pinch to his food twice a day and its supposed to help break up the mucus....................fine while he cant smell or taste it  :rofl:

So has had first lot and just chilling before I attempt to jab him.

Am wondering if I have what the staff there have cos not feeling very wonderful.......sigh
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on December 13, 2010, 16:54:33 PM
Ohh Gill your prob not feeling good with all the stress of Franta.

You need to chill to and keep well

Hope all goes ok giving Franta the abs

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 13, 2010, 16:56:18 PM
 :hug:  :hug:  :hug: Sounds to me like both you and Franta have got some sort of bug.  Hope you are both feeling better soon. :care:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 13, 2010, 17:05:27 PM
Thanks both and definately the stress. lack of sleep and food hasnt helped........I just dont need any of the other 3 to catch what Franta has.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 13, 2010, 21:49:29 PM
You're getting run down Gill - get some Sonatagen Tonic wine and a good curry  :hug:

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 14, 2010, 07:14:26 AM


Gill, sending you cuddles.  Hoping all is well this morning.    :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 14, 2010, 12:57:44 PM
I wish I wish grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Feeling totally incompetent cos cant get the abs into Franta cos the plungers are sticking and cant budge them when the needle is in. Finding it hard to budge them when its not in!

Its a thick milky med and wondering if it is worse cos its been in fridge and sorta acting like glue. Now waiting for the vet to ring again,,,,,sigh

Franta is neither worse nor better but the mucas seems to be thickening. I think if his nose wsnt feeling so horrible and maybe his head too he would be quite good.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on December 14, 2010, 13:06:27 PM
Gill - do hope you get the syringes sorted.

Another option would be to ask the vet whether a convenia injection would help - slow release a/bs over 10-14 days. Does mean taking Franta into the vets but it would be for the 1 injection. Appreciate that you may not want to do that.

Hugs to you both  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 14, 2010, 13:25:52 PM
I thought about that the night before I went yesterday and was going to ask if that was done, whether it would then stop marbocyl being given if the seizures started again.

I thought it may and convenia does not get into the brain . Just totally forgot yesterday .

Yes definately dont want to take him out cos its far too cold for his little head I think. The car was still part frozen when I last looked not long ago.

Edd I asked about Olbas oil yesterday and the vet said that he had never heard of that helping...........sigh............I have been using euchy oil last two nights.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Liz on December 14, 2010, 13:27:18 PM
Gill our vet has given us Covenia to inject so it may just be you out in the car might be worth asking for
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 14, 2010, 13:34:22 PM
Yes that sounds good Liz..............can you tell me what convenia looks like in the syringe and what syringe an colour of needle you used?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Liz on December 14, 2010, 13:39:33 PM
I think its pink and not to thick stuff and the needle is quite big but easily put in and the ones we have used it on have hides like rhinocerous's :shocked:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 14, 2010, 13:42:30 PM
What colour base has the needle and what size syringe..........1 mil. 2 mil, ??
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 14, 2010, 14:12:29 PM
Just a thought about the abs you already have Gill.  Yes putting them in the fridge may have made them thicker and the plunger stiffer.  Its always a good idea to let them come to room temperature before injecting anyway as can be more painful otherwise.

Topping up the positive vibes for you both  :hug:  :hug:

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Dawn F on December 14, 2010, 14:13:58 PM
oh insulin is definately thicker straight from the fridge
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 14, 2010, 14:21:38 PM
Yes always allow them to warm up Carol cos didnt think that injectiing cold was a good idea.

I have rung the vets again and spoeken to one of the ex sick on es who knows Franta and me from Friday, she wanted to put me onto one of the other partners but he didnt want to ne involved as Geraint is at the Neath surgery today.

She rang their and he is doing an op and will ring me back when he has finished.

Its now about 3 hours down stream, have lost the whole day again and am still glued to the bloomin phone worrying.........................so fed up.

The bloomin scholo will be out in just over an hour and yesterday got back about an hour after they had finished and still couldnt park outside my house. Was feeling so bad I fell alseep fror about 3 hours and then had to go out and move car and the blooming breaks where squealing but too to tired to care.

Came back in and fell asleep again but today was hoping to be able tp go out and test the car and get to Mr Ford if necessary but am now getting very tired again and it will be dark in two hours which is not time enough to get to surgury and back.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Jasmine on December 14, 2010, 14:34:11 PM
Sorry Franta is still not well, and that you're having such a stressful time of it all.
I hope things change for the better soon.
 :hug: 
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 14, 2010, 15:04:44 PM
Still waiting
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 14, 2010, 22:52:18 PM
Do hope Franta has a settled night :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 14, 2010, 23:12:51 PM
Thank you Alison.

His nose is running again and blowing bubbles but I am hoping that this  means the mucas is breaking down.

He has had a Convenia jab tonight..thanks to Liz for the suggestion and the vet ran with that. I also have a bottle of the other abs with loads of syringes and needles to give him one jab everyday for next 7 days.

The vet says its a bit overkill but we now need to get Franta back to being able to eat properly as fast as possible to stop other problems occuring. This time the abs will not be in syringes until needed and not in the fridge because the substance is viscous, and seems to get more so in the fridge.

He is still silent except for an odd Purr and came down twice tonight, the second time to tell me he was hiungry but he didnt eat much.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 14, 2010, 23:18:15 PM
Oh Gill poor Franta :hug:

Sounds like you caught it in time.

Hope you can get some sleep tonight :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 14, 2010, 23:18:54 PM
Hope you both have a peaceful night and awake full of the joys of Spring......errr that should be Christmas shouldn't it. :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: bunglycat on December 14, 2010, 23:39:12 PM
Hope he is soon back to normal -poor Franta -and you
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 15, 2010, 07:13:56 AM


Oh Gill, this is awful for you both.  I hope this strategy will be the one that does the trick, and gets our beautiful boy eating again and feeling better.  Also hope you manage to get some decent sleep.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 15, 2010, 11:43:57 AM
Afraid sleep is not easy cos need to try and feed him every couple of hours but he has refused breakfast.

Am worried that Ducha maybe coming down with the same thing
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: JackSpratt on December 15, 2010, 12:24:56 PM
 :hug: :hug: Really hoping for an improvement soon. :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 15, 2010, 14:40:08 PM
I am feely really rough again......sigh

Franta has found a strangled meow  :wow:

His nose is still not wonderful but he is lying on me........I was sooooooooo trying to wrap struff to get to post office but really dont feel well enough.

He is active and has tail up and demandint attenshun  ;D

I need him to eat now......sigh

I havent started the other abs yet and wondering whether I should, maybe the convenia is helping although I would say its a bit early. Maybe just a coincidence and he is just improving naturally?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 15, 2010, 14:49:49 PM
 :wow: :wow: :wow:  Am just so pleased to hear he is improving.    :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on December 15, 2010, 15:11:11 PM
Very glad to hear his nibs is improving and keeping up the positive vibes for him.

Sending lots of  :hug: :hug: to you too Gill, please look after yourself too, I know it's hard but try and grab as much rest as you can.

Hobbes and Luna send purrs and snoozles to you both  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: bunglycat on December 15, 2010, 19:06:51 PM
Pleased to hear this news-hope it continues till the handsome man is back to his old self.
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on December 15, 2010, 20:47:15 PM
Ohh just catching up. hope Franta continues to improve and get better

You look after yourself Gill also

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 15, 2010, 22:05:49 PM
I am so pleased to hear Franta is a bit better ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 16, 2010, 02:15:32 AM
He is still bouncing the nose gounge around..sigh but he has been up and downstairs a number of times and is doing massive mouth open yawns which he hasnt done since last week.

I decided not to start the second lot of abs but can start at any time now if need be.

I am hoping the nose gunge will soon stop.

I have had a feeling rough day but hoping tomorrow will be better and also that no other cat gets ill
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 16, 2010, 07:10:07 AM


Morning Gill.  Topping up hugs and good wishes for you and Franta.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 16, 2010, 09:04:53 AM
 :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 16, 2010, 10:45:54 AM
Aaw Gill, the pair of you are going through a right war  :hug:

Wish I could wave a magic wand for you both.

Happy birthday xx

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Dawn F on December 16, 2010, 10:47:45 AM
hope you are both feeling a bit better!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Kirst on December 17, 2010, 14:39:43 PM
Hope today is a better day for you both! :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 17, 2010, 19:07:18 PM
Afraid I had to go out about 1500 and only just got back but he amd the others had food before I left.

Sadly have 3 sick cats now, Franta recovering slowly and has definately found his voice and headbutts, Ducha who is sneezing and blowing his nose but he has not seemingly got any worse so hope he is fighting it on his own.

Misa poor boy has a runny tummy, could be overeating, the cold, stress etc etc but was up and down all night with one or the other of them.

When I finally really fell asleep I was woken up by Franta who was noisily demanding food and then he never left me alone until he forced me to get up.

I so just want them all well and happy
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 17, 2010, 21:16:41 PM
Aw Gill, I don't believe your luck, or should I say lack of it  :hug:

Hope everyone pulls through really soon.

Love Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 17, 2010, 21:36:23 PM
Hope the 'family' all gets well soon :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: bunglycat on December 17, 2010, 23:14:07 PM
Blimey , what a few weeks !
Hope they are all fit and well very soon  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 17, 2010, 23:51:22 PM
 :thanks: and so want us all to get well soon, very very soon.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on December 18, 2010, 09:22:24 AM
 :hug: :hug:
Hope things are improved today
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 20, 2010, 07:14:31 AM


Gill, how are you all feeling today?  Sending hugs to warm you up.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 20, 2010, 12:55:56 PM
Franta sneezed again yesterday :scared:

Ducha is currently the worst and Misa seems to be Ok.

I am still tired but having probs sleeping cos am woke up every two hours by Franta who wants food cos he is still mostly just licking off the jelly from Felix andddddddddddddd it has to be fresh LOL

Franta is being a monster, a clever monster and he is going straight for a bite of me if I wont do instantly what he wants.............his voice is well back and I so want to sleep..................I dont care if someone has used the tray I just wanna sleep!!

Probably thats another reason I cant sleep, I am scared of being eaten by Franta  :scared: :scared:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: alisonandarchie on December 20, 2010, 16:47:35 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 20, 2010, 17:49:40 PM
 :shify:  nibble nibble....   :shify:  :evillaugh:  :hug: :hug:  Sorry Gill but that did make me giggle.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 20, 2010, 20:37:33 PM
Well now have another problem cos a kitten has walked through the door tonight!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Ellen2010 on December 20, 2010, 21:15:12 PM
You know you want the kitty kitten really Gill  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 20, 2010, 21:32:17 PM
Its not very safe for kittens round here because of the road and what I may want is not the same as what my other cats want  :shify: :shify:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 20, 2010, 23:53:07 PM
Hmmmm - sneakiefeline flavoured cat food - Franta would love that Gill  :evillaugh: :rofl: :Luv2: :hug:

A kitten  :wow: - early Christmas present?  ;)  Would be lovely but I think you've got enough on at the moment - hope you find out who it belongs to.

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 00:13:35 AM
Franta may lol but he aint having any  :rofl: :rofl:

This kitten will eat anything LOL
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 21, 2010, 07:12:25 AM



Blimey - a Christmas kitten - now that was a curved ball !   :Crazy:   What's it like Gill?  How are the others towards it?  Is he still with you?    ;D  Sorry - excitement is, I realise, not appropriate to the severity of the season.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 11:09:06 AM
Pussy hates other cats it seems and Franta just walking in the room last night upset her for ages, even after he was gone!

I think you now know all the other answers....................gosh , I just want a normal life for a while!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 21, 2010, 13:59:56 PM
You wouldn't be able to cope with a 'normal' life Gill  :rofl: :hug:

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 14:14:59 PM
I would I would and wanted to do some art this christmas but so hard to live with this bloomin door closed and it means my cats cant have Christmas with me.

I feel Pussy is bored and her one aim in life is to get more food, she doesnt play and spends most time lying about.........didnt think kittens were suposed to be like this but maybe its a reaction to being out in the cold and lost.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on December 21, 2010, 14:19:54 PM
Does she not show any signs of wanting to play if you dangle a toy in front of her?  Maybe she's been outside fending for herself for a while and just wants food and somewhere warm at the moment.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 15:10:54 PM
Has no interest in toys at all or catnip.......sigh

One courier has been but the more important one has not arrived yet grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

She has just sat on window sill and had a look out but is now back lying on the cat tree,

She has also had another half pouch cos she was searching for food. She has also had a good suckle and is searching for the right place!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 21, 2010, 15:13:39 PM


She's obviously not in any hurry to move on.  Not much of a drifter, is she.  :evillaugh:  Good that one courier has been, even if the other hasn't quite made it yet.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 15:16:18 PM
Now behave Sue lol
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 21, 2010, 15:33:17 PM


No pressure Gill.  I would keep your box from your delivery though - when the next courier comes, you can pop your little visitor inside, seal it quickly with Gaffa tape and put "not known at this address" on the front......   :run:   :evillaugh:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 15:41:22 PM
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww I couldnt do that  :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 21, 2010, 15:45:25 PM


I noes that - hence the sideways-running-after-being-norty icon.   :innocent: That from a woman who frets whether her mole has frozen to death in the icy wastes of her garden......?  As if!  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 15:58:40 PM
Moley hasnt frozen, there are now 3 new molehills coming out of the snow grrrrrrrrrrrrr

I think that Pussy maybe will have tufts at top of ears cos looks like they are just starting to grow, surely she is not a pedigree.

I think she is very young and just had another go at suckiling.

Come on blooming courier!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Fire Fox on December 21, 2010, 22:44:30 PM
 :hug: :hug: So sorry to read your stress and sleep issues are at this level.  :hug:  :hug: I am sending healing vibes for YOU.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 21, 2010, 22:50:51 PM
Goodness, what a turn of events Gill!  :shocked: christmas kitten, oh yes!  ;)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 23:07:46 PM
Thank you Firefox, I am very stressed , part cos courier didnt come again and part because of my other cats and I so need to get Rosie to vets.

A Christmas kitten I didnt need Gillian, despite her gorgeousness........................do you have space  :innocent:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 21, 2010, 23:15:41 PM
Rosie!!!!!!   I thought you weren't going to name her.   :sneaky:
 
I hads Rosie and she was a gannet all her life 
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 23:17:42 PM
OMG where did that Rosie come from!!!!!!!!!!

It should have read Pussy, gosh even the letters on the keyboard are not close!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on December 21, 2010, 23:18:48 PM
 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Rosella moggy on December 21, 2010, 23:25:28 PM
OMG Gill you've named her  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:. 

You should NEVER name them. 

All we can hope for now it a microchip and a loving family frantically worried about her otherwise ................... you're doomed   :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 21, 2010, 23:26:36 PM
 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 21, 2010, 23:37:37 PM
A Christmas kitten I didnt need Gillian, despite her gorgeousness........................do you have space  :innocent:

bursting at the seams here lol!  my dining room is free of kittens now - but thats the way its gonna stay!!!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 22, 2010, 07:14:58 AM
OMG where did that Rosie come from!!!!!!!!!!

It should have read Pussy, gosh even the letters on the keyboard are not close!

Well I'm afraid that's done it now Gill - you know the power giving something a name has, don't you?   :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on December 22, 2010, 09:04:16 AM
Oh dear Gill - you've gone and done it now!  Rosie then  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: clarenmax on December 22, 2010, 09:53:24 AM
Rosie eh  :naughty: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on December 22, 2010, 09:57:47 AM
Bear in mind that size isnt' always a good judge of age.  If she's got maine coon in her she may be big for her age, but equally some slow maturing breeds grow more slowly - Mosi was smaller at 14 weeks than Jaffa was at 8 weeks!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Kirst on December 22, 2010, 10:00:07 AM
Hmmm so Rosie it is then :naughty:......................she sounds like a fiesty little madam who knows what she wants and apparently thats you! ;)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 22, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
Noooooooooooooooo Noooooooooooo Nooooooooooooooo she is not Rosie, she is Pussy, now just behave all you Rosie lovers  :rofl: :rofl:

She has filled up the hole in her tummy and last night couldnt quite finish her dinner and breakfast has been esaten except for two mini pieces.......that would not have happened this time yesterday.

I cant get her to vets today cos have been struck down over night with a sinus infection and am waiting for abs to be delivered.

Ducha has taken a turn for the worse over night and he now needs to go to the vets asap.

This is not a good Christmas and still need to get Frantas meds, pass that vets on way to other!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on December 22, 2010, 13:18:55 PM
Ohhh Gill not been on line for while and just catching up. Hope all the puds are better soon


Ohh and whats this about Rosie, she certainly knew where to go to get looked after

Topping up the  :hug: :hug: that the fur family are all well again soon and cuddles to Rosie

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Liz on December 22, 2010, 14:54:54 PM
Gill hpe you all get your meds and Rosie suits her - now she's named its fate :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 22, 2010, 18:45:30 PM
SHE IS NOT ROSIE  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ducha is going to vets tomorrow for a convenia jab and Pussy going too....................I am dreading this cos Pussy gets very upset.

Will also be picking up Frantas emergency meds...........he is far too quiet and just hope he is through the cat flu type stuff.

But of course Pussy I am sure has been noticed by him althoughhe totally ignored her, she was very upset again and takes it out on me for ages after.................well till she is hungry again LOL
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: tab on December 22, 2010, 18:52:55 PM
I hope it all goes well for you.
Wish I could take Rosie on for you but sadly Amber would kill me
love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 22, 2010, 18:54:33 PM
Thanks Tab, Rosie and Amber , sounds purrrrfect  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: tab on December 22, 2010, 20:18:41 PM
Dont even GO there   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I went to see a friend today who adopted a cat last year to find a 'friend' had given her a photo of a free to good home...... I didnt even look!!!


If Im honest I do miss having 2 cats but I have to be sensible and know that financially for me and emotionally for Amber its not sensible. I just wish it was.

I hope you find a purrfect solution without feeling bullied into something thats not right for you and your furries. I might call her Rosie cos I like the name not because I think youve homed her if that makes sense?

love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 22, 2010, 21:42:50 PM
 :R:   :O:   :S:   :I:   :E:   :clap: :devil: :clap: :hee hee:

What a purrfect name Gill.  When are you going to let her on the From the Cat's Mouth section???  :evillaugh: ;)

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 22, 2010, 21:45:09 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

By the tiome she has seen the vet tomorrow she may be Roland   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: maryas on December 22, 2010, 21:48:16 PM
Hey, you calling her a dirty rat?  :rofl:

Just got it - you don't really know if she's a girl do you?  :evillaugh: ;)

Nice that you've thought about a boy name too - he/she looks like she/he has a new home and is gonna have to get used to your fab 4.

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 22, 2010, 22:12:20 PM
The Gang of 4 are upset and dont want her here and she is no rat and am sure that Pussy is a girl but just have to have a maybe in there just in case  :innocent:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 23, 2010, 07:19:32 AM


All joking apart Gill, I echo what Tab says - for all our good natured ribbing, you should only do what you feel comfortable with, and what you think the Gang of Four will be comfortable with.   :hug: :hug:

When we got Flynn, Paddy was devastated.  Totally put out.  Barely tolerated Flynn and spent more and more time away from the house.  That was sad, because Flynn adored Paddy.  He was his Hero.  He loved him and wanted to be with him whenever he could.   There were times when some mutual grooming took place, but it was always in a grumpy state of grace for Paddy, and when we lost Flynn, Paddy became much more settled.  That's the prime reason we never acquired another cat. 

Having said that, your Gang of Four don't always see eye to eye, and yet they all share the house and garden without too much angst.

Either way, the decision must be yours.  But I doubt we'll stop teasing you gently.    :hug: :hug:  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Just not himself
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 23, 2010, 13:58:02 PM
Thanks Sue  :hug:

It is very hard to maintain a balance and Misa will lash out occasionally at Franta and hiss but more in a warning sorta way I think, however when he wants to move Franta off the bed he just tries to lie on him which I stop and them Misa gets cross at me.

I do worry about my big boy cos he is a sensitive soul. Sasa saw Pussy again from one side of kitchen and Pussy was like transfixed,,,,,,,,,,,,with awe! or what lol

Ducha hasnt met or seen Pussy yet but he was the violent one when he first arrived but is too ill at the moment.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 19, 2011, 17:02:27 PM
I was on my way to bed and walked out onto landing and Franta had just started having a seizure. Rushed to get a pillow to stop me getting ripped to shreds, it wasnt a really really bad one but he wet everywhere.

I then decided that I would shut him in bedroom with me and Ducha cos didnt wnt him faslling down stairs or off the cat tree downstairs or tye window sill but only pulled the door too cos its heavy.

Then spent the next 2-3 hours in /out of bed cos Misa just pushes the door open and in end I must have dozed off but woke up to see door open by a Franta sized gap and he wasnt up stairs. Found him behind curtains on front rooms window sill.

Rook me ages but persuaded him to come back up stairs and then blocked off stairs  so he could roam bedroom and bathroom but he didnt want that and he spent rest of night howling.

Left for vets about 0830 to get his meds, back just before 1100. Some one had wet my bed in about 4 places.......sigh

Gave him first jab and it went so well  :scared:  tthen found the pile of liquid undernerath him and it had gone straight through grrrrrrrrrrrrr. One of my two spares gone! So then  had to try again and success. Having a real problem getting the cover off the needle.

Both birmans have dicky tummies.......heat?? but now need to order lacto B cos mine is out of date and marbocyl hits the tummy badly.

As far as I can tell no further seizures and am keeping fingers crossed cos was worried that he was working himself up into such a state that he may bring one on.

He is hiding in the smallest place possible in the bedroom and hope he comes out soon. Have covered the bed in puppy pads cos both are making such a bloomin mess.

Please keep fingers crossed for him and that he doesnt have anymore seizures this time.

This came right out of the blue although he had been very restless and shouty for ages, after he recovered from the seizure which takes about an hour plus, he was very much his usual norty self, which isnt the case normally.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Angiew on April 19, 2011, 17:06:05 PM
 :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on April 19, 2011, 17:17:19 PM
Sorry to hear this Gill  :hug:

On the probiotic front I recently found a much better value probiotic - Blooming Pets probiotics - it's a 350g tub (so nearly 5 x the 75g that Lacto-B is), the cheapest place to get it from is a business/power seller on ebay for £12 delivered.

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Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 19, 2011, 17:46:02 PM
Thanks Helen, I will have a look.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Jiji on April 19, 2011, 17:56:30 PM
Sorry to hear Franta has had another seizure  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Dawn F on April 19, 2011, 18:21:57 PM
sorry to hear this Gill
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: cazzer on April 19, 2011, 18:24:35 PM
sorry to hear this Gill.     Not a good day/night  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 19, 2011, 18:42:34 PM
So sorry to hear about Franta. Do hope he is more settled tonight as you caught it early :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 19, 2011, 18:44:35 PM
Thank you all.

He is still hiding in that tiny place grrrrrrrrrrrrr, hope he will come out soon cos I cant get at him there!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: maryas on April 19, 2011, 18:54:02 PM
Oh Gill, what the chuf is velcro man playing at?  Poor thing and poor you too.  Hope everything calms down soon  :Luv2: :hug:

RE: Heat - I remember years ago putting blocks of sulpher in dog's water - wonder if there is something similar for cats?

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 19, 2011, 18:57:51 PM
Oh Gill  :hug: :hug:  Our poor lil Frantaman.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: snarf on April 19, 2011, 19:02:14 PM
 :hug: so sorry Gill. Poor Franta :care: hope he starts to pick up
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 19, 2011, 19:31:50 PM
So sorry to hear this Gill and sending loving, healing vibes to our lovely blue eyed boy  :hug: :hug: :hug: and just hope you find some relaxing time  :hug:

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on April 19, 2011, 20:00:34 PM
Sorry to hear about Franta Gill  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: lornab on April 19, 2011, 21:08:41 PM
Poor Franta,
I'm sure he will perk up soon, it's really scary watching a cat have a fit, both my two old girls suffered from occasional fits and I so wish I had known about this forum then as I felt so helpless :hug:
I remember coming home from a day out once to find our neighbour absolutely beside herself because one of the girls had had a fit whilst on their patio while we were out, strangely enough we found that they were often triggered by repetitive sounds (maybe in a similar way that strobe lighting can trigger epileptic fits in humans).
Sending you lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug:'s and try not to worry.
Lorna x :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Janeyk on April 19, 2011, 22:26:28 PM
 :( Poor Franta, sending lots of love and get well wishes for him and hugs to you too Gill  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 19, 2011, 22:35:32 PM
He is feeling very sorry for himself and has eaten a bit and is now on my bed. He is not feeling good  at all.

Have to say Ducha isnt feeling that good either but he has just eaten a bit too.

Not a good thing to happen when the weather is so nice and I am feeling very tired tonight and the bed needs making and all puppy pads takien off.

I hope he feels a bit better tomorrow and am sure the marbocyl doesnt make him feel good to start with.

Thank you all for your concern.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 19, 2011, 22:43:38 PM
Sending lots of  :hug:  :hug:  :hug: for you and Franta (and Ducha too ).  Hope tomorrow brings improvement.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 19, 2011, 23:12:48 PM
Hope you can get some sleep Gill :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 20, 2011, 00:11:04 AM
Thanks Alison and think its gonna be hard cos Franta is fixed to my pillow and need to put all sheets back on bed.....feeling too tired to bother but I just want my bed to myself!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Stuart on April 20, 2011, 00:30:57 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: bunglycat on April 20, 2011, 00:41:39 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Sorry to read this , not been on much but i hope he hasn''t had any more and is soon better.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on April 20, 2011, 00:42:37 AM
 :hug:  I hope he's better soon.  Fingers crossed the injections work quickly  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 20, 2011, 06:50:28 AM
Gill, thinking about you, and hoping Franta and Ducha are both feeling a bit better this morning.  Also hoping you managed to grab someof the bed back and to get a bit of sleep.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: west0405 on April 20, 2011, 08:01:07 AM
Same here too.. hope all three of you got some settled sleep. Big  :hug: to you all x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on April 20, 2011, 12:04:37 PM
Ohhh Gill sorry to hear poor Franta has had another seizure, heres hoping it just a one off. Mabeydue to the warmer weather affecting the brain

((Hugs)) Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 20, 2011, 15:38:01 PM
Franta is not feeling well at all and cant keep food down which maybe the weather.

Has had second jab today but he is acting like a big invalid and lying on side meowing quietly. Have looked back at records for Nov and he wasnt well then either.

Am hoping there will be no more seizures but wont be happier about this until tomorrow.

Didnt get much sleep at all cos he was waking me every 30 -45 mins and was pleased I was still in my shorts and shirt.

I feel really tired but cant sleep, guess I am worried about him so his slightest sound wakes me up.

If he still hasnt kept any food down by tomorrow will have to consult the vet. I have seen him drinking cos saw him go in the cage and may have had a few biscuits but hard to keep track of him all the time.

If he has had no more seizures by tomorrow I will let him roam the house again cos part of him being ill maybe self induced cos he cant go down stairs. This will also solve the problem with Misa who was sitting on thew stairs during the night cos he wanted to come onto the bed. He looked so sad and confused.

Yes I let him in but of course he didnt understand in was in, not in out in,,,,,,,,sigh

Cats dont like change even when they are ill.

Off to get the cat litter, Duchas metacam and some food for me.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on April 20, 2011, 16:43:17 PM
Poor Franta.  I hope he manages to keep some food down and that you manage to get some sleep  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 20, 2011, 17:52:47 PM
Hope Franta holds down his food this evening :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: lau200 on April 20, 2011, 19:29:17 PM
poor Franta  :hug: Leonie sends her love to him x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on April 20, 2011, 20:04:01 PM
Oh dear, poor Franta  :'( Hope he picks up soon Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on April 20, 2011, 22:34:37 PM
Poor baby, sorry to hear he's had another siezure and is so poorly. Sending lots of love to him and you and hope he feels better very soon xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 20, 2011, 23:42:49 PM
Hope Franta is feeling better soon and you can get spome sleep Gill.  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: bunglycat on April 20, 2011, 23:58:26 PM
Hope Franta is soon better and send loads of healing vibes to blue eyes from all us here and gentle head kisses .
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: maryas on April 21, 2011, 00:19:48 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you both and lots of kisses from Bonnie to her darling Franta Napoleon.  :Luv2: :Luv2:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 21, 2011, 07:27:18 AM
Gill, just topping up the hugs for our beautiful Ole Blue Eyes  :hug: :hug: :hug:  How is he this morning?  How's Ducha?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Another seizure..........sigh
Post by: clarenmax on April 21, 2011, 13:25:28 PM
Just popping by to add to all the good vibes  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 21, 2011, 14:44:42 PM
Just got back from vets and thought I was going to lose him  :(

I rushed him to vets this morning cos he hadnt eaten or drunk anything and hadnt used the tray foor 24 hrs.

He is very seriously ill and so wish I had realized yesterday, his bladder was blocked and the blood test show his phosherous off the scale as is hi kidney levels, he is severley dehydrated. Gareth wasnt sure he would make it through an anesthetic to release his bladder and putting him on a drip was going to agrevate the situation.

Howeever they got him on a drip and were going for an anesthetic to insert a catheter because to insert a needle straight into his bladder was too dangerous but I was then told they gave him valium and he was so week they didnt need use an anesthetic.

He is having glucose and electrylites every hour or two and is on a drip.

Its hope that this will flush out all the bad stuff and bring his phospheros level down and they hope is one kidney will recover but only time will tell.

I know he wasnt dehydrated when I gave him his jab yesterday and thought his lack of use of tray cos he wasnt eating, I know he drank a bit recently but my head so messed up I cant remember when.

He has gone down so fast and feel so guilty cos should have taken him yesterday when I started to suspect he wasnt well, I even drove past the bloomin place yesterday to get to other vets.

I will never forgive myself if he doesnt get better  :'( :'( :'(

I saw him for about 5 mins before I left and they are taking great care of him but apart from half of one blue eye looking he wasnt moving, just lying on his side. I gave him lots of gentle strokes and asked hiom to forgive me for being such a lousy meowmy and wished him to get better.

I am just so sorry for not looking after him better.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 21, 2011, 14:49:22 PM


Gill - am so sorry to learn things are critical with our special lil man.   You must remember your kind words to me recently and embrace them too - this is not your fault.   :hug: :hug:

Franta loves you.  More than that, he adores you.  He knows you wouldn't knowingly let him down.  Am praying that his condition stabilises and that when you ring the vet for a progress report you'll have better news.  Please keep us posted.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 21, 2011, 14:50:30 PM
Thank you Sue, just in a state right now as you can guess  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Dawn F on April 21, 2011, 14:58:28 PM
Gill you haven't done anything wrong
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 21, 2011, 15:01:03 PM
Oh Gill  :( :( :(  Poor little man and poor you  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Am sending every possible good vibe his way and very much hope he pulls through this.

Of course it isn't your fault at all.  It is through you that he has come this far and, because of you, he is currently in exactly the right place in the hope of a good recovery  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: moira on April 21, 2011, 15:13:26 PM
So sorry to hear what a dreadful time you are having. You mustn't blame yourself. Hindsight is always 20/20 vision. Sending positive vibes for Franta.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Jiji on April 21, 2011, 15:54:39 PM
Sending positive thoughts for Franta.  :hug: :hug: :hug: 
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: cazzer on April 21, 2011, 16:01:59 PM
so sorry to hear about poor Franta.    Hoping he recovers and please Gill do not beat yourself up over this  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Angiew on April 21, 2011, 16:03:55 PM
fingers crossed he pulls through.
Nothing to blame yourself for - you and Franta have been though many a situation that a lot of people would not be able to cope with.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Kirst on April 21, 2011, 16:26:21 PM
Oh Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

This really is NOT your fault - we all know how muxh you adore all your cats and you would never let Franta down.


Sending all the best wishes in the world for him. xxxxxxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: maryas on April 21, 2011, 16:54:20 PM
Listen here you - we all know and most importantly of all, Franta knows that you give all you humanly possibly can to him.  :Luv2: :hug:

He keeps fighting bless him so hopefully he will pull through yet again and be ok.

 :crossed:   :luck:   :ahh:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on April 21, 2011, 17:27:34 PM
Oh Gill  :( :( :(  Poor little man and poor you  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Am sending every possible good vibe his way and very much hope he pulls through this.

Of course it isn't your fault at all.  It is through you that he has come this far and, because of you, he is currently in exactly the right place in the hope of a good recovery  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Just wanted to echo everything Rosella has said, thinking of you both  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 21, 2011, 17:52:42 PM
Thank you for your thoughts all.

I have just spoken to the vets and he isnt much different as far as I can tell  :(

Its emergency services from tonight , I guess till tuesday but am hoping to be able to see him tomorrow but have to ring tomorrow morning.

They are testing his glucose and electrolite levels regularily and he is producing loads of urine, I forgot to ask if that s good,
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: kerri86 on April 21, 2011, 17:54:44 PM
Aww really sorry to hear Franta took a turn for the wors, bless him.
Try not to beat yourself up as you have done nothing wrong and have done everything that a good caring meowmy would do.

It's absolutely awful when something like this happens and it's only natural to doubt yourself, your reaction etc. He is now getting the treatment from the vets and hopefully he'll make a full recovery and be back to annoy you sooner than you think.

Meanwhile you need to get some rest if you can and don't forget your other furry ones are there to cuddle you (if they like cuddles lol).

Lots of urine will hopefully mean no more dehydration... if he's still on a drip then I'd expect that lots of urine is a good sign

Sending you lots of love and hugs, Kerri, Davey and Tinks xx :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 21, 2011, 17:58:51 PM
Thanks Kerri , yes he is still on a drip, so hope the urine is flushing out the bad stuff to let the good stuff in.

Sadly he is my only lap cat out of the four, one I cant touch and the other two like cuddles but only when they want.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on April 21, 2011, 18:14:29 PM
Oh  no - keeping everything crossed for Franta that he gets through this.    Of course it's not your fault, Gill.  With everything that's going on you can't always second guess what is going on and you got him to the vets promptly when you realised he wasn't well  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: kerri86 on April 21, 2011, 18:28:28 PM
I'd send one of mine but they've both the same - only really want hugs when it suits them. Typical cats eh!

Davey and Tinks are sending lots of love to Franta and I'm sending my love to you!
Let me know when you hear anything?? xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: JenGeorgieBob on April 21, 2011, 18:58:02 PM
sorry to hear he is poorly, fingers and paws crossed for a speedy recovery.
Its not your fault at all, Franta has a loving and caring cat mum who would do anything for him. He is is the right place to get better.
cat cuddles and purrs from my lot  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Steff - Petsearch Bedford HQ on April 21, 2011, 19:03:58 PM
I haven't been around much of late but just seen the update.

Poor Franta and poor you Gill.

He is in the best place and I'm sure the vets will be able to fix him.

I don't know what else to say, you must be going out of your mind with worry. Massive massive hugs for you Gill and lots of positive vibes for Franta x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 21, 2011, 19:13:33 PM
Sending lots of positive vibes for Franta and big  :hug:  :hug: for you Gill.

I'm sorry Franta is so poorly but you haven't let him down.  With his history I bet even the vet would have thought it was just a recurrence of his 'old' problem and wouldn't have spotted the complications any earlier than you did.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: lau200 on April 21, 2011, 19:16:11 PM
oh gosh Gill i am so sorry to hear that the beautiful Franta is so ill. Leonie sends her darling Franta kitten kisses and hugs x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: sheilarose on April 21, 2011, 19:17:31 PM
Oh you poor things, my prayers are with you and Franta in these difficult days.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on April 21, 2011, 19:49:08 PM
So sorry to hear this latest news Gill. Sending you and Franta lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: and positive vibes.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: bunglycat on April 21, 2011, 21:32:12 PM
Sending mega healing vibes to Franta and loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you.
I am so sorry he has taken a turn for the worse, but as he is in the best place now , I am sure he will soon be back home with you all.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: JackSpratt on April 21, 2011, 21:40:40 PM
Oh Gill. :care: Hoping for an improvement for Franta soon.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 21, 2011, 22:49:23 PM
Will be thinking about Franta tonight :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 21, 2011, 22:53:13 PM
Thank you all for your kind words and thoughts.

I cant stop thinking about him and hope he is gradually improving.

Thanks Leonie cos he was the only one who didnt mind you.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: lornab on April 21, 2011, 23:09:29 PM
Hope Franta is back home with you very soon  :hug: he sounds like a real fighter, I'm sure he knows he is a lucky puss to have a Mum like you who loves him so much  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Guest on April 21, 2011, 23:26:57 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 21, 2011, 23:44:50 PM
Just off to bed Gill but stopping by to send you a few  :hug: :hug: :hug: to let you know you and your blue eyed boy are in my thoughts ....
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 22, 2011, 00:02:41 AM
I have just spoken to the vets and the nurse was just doing Franta.

She says he is a tiny little bit improved but his glucose is flat so he is getting some more. He is responsive, which he wasnt when I was there, but he doesnt want to eat.

She said he is probably sore so not unexpected but it will take at least 24 hours to flush the toxins out of his body.

I will be going to visit him tomorrow and so hope he is better than today. Even going in the right direction will be good.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: bunglycat on April 22, 2011, 00:36:20 AM
Topping up the vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Hope that Fanta is mega improved tomorrow .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 22, 2011, 08:11:02 AM
Everything crossed Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on April 22, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
I hope he's showing improvement when you go to see him today  :hug:  It sounds as though he's making tentative steps in the right direction.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 22, 2011, 08:30:27 AM
Gill, I know you probably haven't slept a wink, so just take it nice and steady when you go to see him.  Sending you both a gentle hug.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on April 22, 2011, 08:43:49 AM
Hoping for some positive news today  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 22, 2011, 09:08:02 AM
Hope you managed to get some sleep :hug:

Fingers crossed that Franta has made some more improvements over night :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Jiji on April 22, 2011, 10:16:25 AM
Fingers crossed for positive news today  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 22, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Topping up the positive vibes for old blue eyes and the  :hug:  :hug: for you Gill.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Amanda (mad4moggies) on April 22, 2011, 10:24:03 AM
Gill i`m so sorry to hear that Franta is so unwell. I know it is easy for someone else to say but try not to blame yourself in any way. It can be so hard to know what is going on when our pets are sick as they cannot tell us how they are feeling.

I`ll keep my fingers crossed that his condition improves and he can come home to you.

Hoping you receive good news today.


 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: tab on April 22, 2011, 10:29:49 AM
I hope theres been an improvement overnight and that Franta is feeling better
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: kerri86 on April 22, 2011, 10:43:02 AM
Everything crossed for you Gill I really hope Franta is little brighter today when you see him. Give him a huge hug from me!

Hope you are ok too xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: lau200 on April 22, 2011, 11:47:29 AM
been keeping you both in my thoughts x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 22, 2011, 14:26:25 PM
Thank you everyone for all your good wishes for Franta and told him everyone was thinking of him. Still  need the power of the Purrs vibes to help him to continue improving.

I have visited with Franta this morning and spoken to his vet, was there about an hour and although he is improving, he still has a long way to go before being out of the woods.

His levels have come back about a half and he is a little stronger but he needs to improve that much again before it can be judged to be really positive. He ate a bit of the food I took and was really chilled when I left but he was trying to push himself off the table towards me and had his head and kneck off with his head lying on my hand.

He was also gradually snoozing. He is still lying on his side except when he was first brought to me and its obvious that he has a long way to go.

They are taking very good care of him and trying every thing they can, so am just hoping with all my heart that he pulls through. He is still on a drip and has a catheter in.

I asked if they knew why his bladder blocked and its a complete mystery and it wasnt blocked in the true sense cos apparently the catheter went in very easily and Gareth thinks its just a build up of general junk over time and he said it wasnt caused by the marbocyl.

They are regularily testing his levels and just need him to continue in the right direction now.

I am going to visit him again tomorrow and it would be lovely if he had improved some more.


Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: lau200 on April 22, 2011, 15:36:31 PM
that sounds positive x best wishes for a speedy recovery for him x

the cats are shouting c'mon franta you can do it!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: cazzer on April 22, 2011, 15:39:33 PM
so glad he is getting a bit better.   C'mon Franta
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gillian Harvey on April 22, 2011, 16:22:11 PM
Oh Gill I'm just catching up with all this - thanks goodness he's starting to improve  :hug: :hug: blocked bladders are scarey things at the best of times, never mind with his other problems as well. Stress is often a major cause - so it could be the stress of the seizures plus vet visits etc that has affected him this way  :hug: have you got some feliway diffusers to plug in ready for when he comes home?
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 22, 2011, 16:59:27 PM
I didnt know stress could be a cause Gilian, thanks for that  :hug:

No I dont have any feliway and he hadnt been to vets cos went to get the meds without him after the seizure in the early hours Monday.

I know I should be positive but right now its too early to say if he will make it as he is still fighting for his life. The vet is pleased he has improved but he has so far to go before it can be determined if he will recover.

He is just making steps in the right direction and I am still very scared as he only has one kidney. The phosphorus has dropped enough so the heart is no longer at risk but the worry is his kidney.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 22, 2011, 17:48:11 PM
The phosphorus has dropped enough so the heart is no longer at risk but the worry is his kidney.

I think the fact that "the phosphorus has dropped enough so the heart is no longer at risk" is the main immediate thing Gill and that's showing good progress  :hug:  I soooo understand that him having only one kidney is a terrible worry though  :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: maryas on April 22, 2011, 18:33:48 PM
He's a fighter bless him and I'm so glad you are not having any of the past probs with the vets this time Gill.

Franta is clearly benefiting from his stay there.

Lots of vibes coming his way and yours.

Love Mary and Bonnie xxx :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 22, 2011, 18:50:00 PM
I have even asked them yesterday to take on Ducha from the other vets, cos I feel they are doing such a good job.

Everything stopped for Franta yesterday so he could get immediate treatment and I appreciate that so much. Gareth was due to start operating but saw Franta after their closing time for appts and then took him straightaway for treatment.

I also rang just before midnight to see how he was and they had all the info to hand. Today Gareth was there and came to tell me about the current tests.

Gareth said that even as bad as he was yesterday, Franta still looked a regal cat  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 22, 2011, 18:58:14 PM
I'm so pleased Franta is getting the best treatment Gill.  Its such a comfort when you trust your vet.  I have everything crossed that his improvement continues and as Rosella said, phosphorus down is very good news.  :hug:

Still sending lots of positive vibes.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: maryas on April 22, 2011, 19:00:08 PM
Gareth said that even as bad as he was yesterday, Franta still looked a regal cat  ;D
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Of course, that's why Bonnie chose him for her date ;)  :Luv2: :hug:

M and B xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: clarenmax on April 22, 2011, 19:51:44 PM
Ah hunnie only just seen that Franta is in the vets, keep strong and with the positive vibes of all us Purrs peeps, I'm sure he'll be back home in no time  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 22, 2011, 22:23:15 PM
The vets sound terrific Gill ;D

So glad Franta has improved a bit  and everything crossed for his full recovery :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: ChrisB on April 22, 2011, 22:29:35 PM
Gill, so pleased that Franta has improved and sending lots of get well wishes his way and  :hug: to you too.   As others have said, it is good that you are happy with his vet treatment after the previous problems.   Hoping for some more good news soon.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: bunglycat on April 23, 2011, 00:56:59 AM
Topping up the mega get well vibes for Franta and hope tomorrow brings more improvement for him .
Loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and all the cats too.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Janeyk on April 23, 2011, 07:02:36 AM
I do hope that Franta has improved further today, sending best wishes for him  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Daisymac on April 23, 2011, 09:43:46 AM
Am hoping Franta is feeling a bit better today,  sending loads of  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: cazzer on April 23, 2011, 09:44:36 AM
hoping he has improved againn  :hug: x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: JackSpratt on April 23, 2011, 10:19:13 AM
Sending lots of get better vibes for Franta. :catlove2: And hugs for you. :care:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 23, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
Everything still crossed for a full recovery for our blue eyed babe  :care:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Tan on April 23, 2011, 12:20:29 PM
Sending all my love over for darlin Franta and huge hugs for you Gilly.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 23, 2011, 12:21:04 PM
The vet rang me this morning and I was terrified.

All she told me was what I altready knew and they had just taken his blood and she would ring me back with the results but that was over two hours ago, so now I am very worried.

They had normal surgury this morning so am hoping she is just very busy cos its so important that his levels have dropped again. Will be going to visit this afternoon and she recommended between 1500 and 1600 but to ring first.

So now I am just sitting worrying and just cant do anything.

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: cazzer on April 23, 2011, 13:02:40 PM
hope you a an answer soon Gill   :hug: x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on April 23, 2011, 13:04:45 PM
Thinking about you and Franta Gill xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on April 23, 2011, 13:35:48 PM
Oh Gill I've only just caught up with this and seen how poorly your boy is.Am sending you all our love and hoping you get some positive news from the vet and that his levels have improved again.I'm keeping you both in my thoughts xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 23, 2011, 14:08:59 PM
Vet has eventually rung and his kidney levels have gone down again but still not enough for them to remove the catheter to see if he can empty his bladder by himself.

So he will remain as he is for another 24 hrs and so hope that the levels will reduce again.

Once they feel his levels are in the normal range then they will try removing the catheter to see what happens, its one stage at a time slowly slowly and he is still in stage one although now better than yesterday.

I am hoping to go visit him about 1600 so will be leaving in an hour as long as they say its OK to come, think they are very busy which of course we all know that cats always know when its a holiday.............sigh

They say he is bright but my idea of a bright Franta is not theirs and they will be pleading with me to take him home if he really becomes bright!

Its gonna be another 48 hrs at least before he will be able to come home and they wont let him come home until he is completely out of danger.

Thank you again for all your thoughts, I am sure the Purrs vibes are helping him  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on April 23, 2011, 14:12:00 PM
Franta is in the best place gill. Keeping up the get well vibes for your baby

Your both in my thoughts

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: lau200 on April 23, 2011, 14:51:50 PM
i know that feeling of worry when you are waiting for an update *hugs* sounds like the vets are really good, he's in the best hands x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: cazzer on April 23, 2011, 15:00:46 PM
so glad he is making progress  :hug: x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 23, 2011, 15:20:48 PM
Pleased that he's making progress and hope you get to see him and he's comfortable.  Topping up the vibes for the improvement to continue.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on April 23, 2011, 17:04:26 PM
Just popped on to see if there was any news and so glad he has made more progress. The vets sound great and although I know you want him home it's good that they are being so careful and not rushing him out like some would do.Hope you have managed to visit, topping up the vibes from me, Hobbes and Luna xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on April 23, 2011, 17:13:57 PM
At least he's showing some improvement even if it is small.  I've got everything crossed that his kidney levels come down further and they can get that catheter out  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 23, 2011, 17:37:24 PM
Good news Gill :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 23, 2011, 17:49:15 PM
Just back from my visit and Franta was asleep lol,,,,,so only stayed half an hour.

The vet nurse was very nice and said not long before he had been eating and drinking and rubbing against the cage door, also tiurning round and round.............his way of trying to get the drip out LOL

Before we got to his quarters she said he likes attention, doesnt he .......oh yes thats my Franta  ;D

He has been washed and his bedding gets changed frquently cos of the dripping catheter.

He tried valiently to keep his eyes open but he really couldnt manage it for long and he is still lying on his side.

It was very quiet there and the noisy dogs have all gone home now. There was a new rta black and white cat in next cage, came into day and has a paw so damaged it will have to be amputated but the cat is not in the right condition to have anesthetic yet. Very growly if touched but think he is just in pain from his paw and scared.

I dont think Franta can hear that much really but he knew I was there and I chatted to him and sent all your best wishes and let him go back to sleep and dream about mouskies and things. Took some more of his food in.

I will be back to see him tomorrow and vet nurse said I can ring tonight if I want, they are being so kind .

Gareth also told me they can set up a payment plan for Franta cos his bill on the first day was £500 and counting.

So onward and upward and hope he improves again by tomorrow.

Thank you all so much  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: cazzer on April 23, 2011, 17:58:45 PM
that sounds very positive Gill.    Shame the little beggar was asleep for your visit though.   Hopefully tomorrow he won't be and will be better again  :hug: x   
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on April 23, 2011, 18:16:04 PM
That is sounding more positive if he has been eating and drinking and looking for a fuss, trust him to be asleep when you got there tho lol. Here's hoping he has turned a corner xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: kerri86 on April 23, 2011, 18:57:26 PM
ahh Gill I'm so pleased to hear that he's picking up and taking some food and fluid!
and poor little black and white - did it have owners? bless it!

Am really glad to hear he's heading in the right direction though, its such a relief - I feel like I've almost been going through this with you lol!!

Keep me posted xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on April 23, 2011, 19:06:16 PM
Sounds positive Gill, keeping up the get well vibes for Franta, glad he is loving attention

Thats good the vet can set up a payment plan

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Jiji on April 23, 2011, 19:21:28 PM
Great to hear some positive news about Franta  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Miroslav on April 23, 2011, 20:01:23 PM
Nice to hear something positive  :naughty:

It sounds like you have a  great vet as well, which is always very useful. They aren't all as accommodating, so it's good to know Franta is in good hands.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: maryas on April 23, 2011, 20:10:45 PM
You can tell he's slowly but surely coming back to you Gill - wants a fuss made of him and will defo get it when he gets home.  :Luv2: :hug:

Shame about the rta but as you well know 3 legs are as good as 4  :hug:

Lots more vibes coming your way.

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: ChrisB on April 23, 2011, 21:55:31 PM
Gill, so pleased to read the latest news on our blue eyed boy - sending more get well vibes his way and big  :hug: :hug: to you.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Kirst on April 23, 2011, 22:30:48 PM
So glad he is slowly fighting his way back xxxxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 23, 2011, 22:59:30 PM
Greatly relieved to hear that he is improving albeit slowly and delighted that he is getting such good care at vets and that you are able to keep up to date with his progress  :hug:

Hoping this continues and sending much love to our little soldier  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 24, 2011, 07:37:38 AM
Gill, am so pleased Franta is making progress.  Bless him, sounds like he's all tuckered out with everything, which is understandable.  Sending gentle snoozles for him  :cat rub:

Also thinking about the poor little RTA cat.  I'd be growly too.  :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 24, 2011, 09:35:04 AM
Well done Franta ;D

Gill he is such a fighter ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: cazzer on April 24, 2011, 15:27:51 PM
hope he's doing well today  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gillian Harvey on April 24, 2011, 16:28:18 PM
Glad theres some improvement Gill  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 24, 2011, 16:41:29 PM
Just back from vets and Franta has improved again, his levels are still a bit high but they are gonna take the catheter out later and then if his levels have gone down again tomorrow and he is emptying his bladder by himself, he can come home  ;D ;D ;D

He was fully awake today and had trashed his cage but he stayed inthe crouchinf position for a while before he got up and bit me and licked me and cuddled his head to me  ;D

He was trying as hard as posible to get the drip out ands they said that evry so often they get him out of the cage to unravel him cos he turns in circles and tangles the lead up.

Because he is so beautiful they say, they keep referring to him as her,,,,,,,,I am sure he is thoroughly upset at this and his feelings are hurt.  :evillaugh:

I am so gratefful to all of the staff at St James that have looked after him constantly and helped him to improve so much.

Growly I think is called Mabel and they were amputing her leg when I left , so I hope she recovers quickly and is able to stop being Growly.

There were two vets there today doing Growlys op, one is Emma who knows Franta going back to when he first had seizures and waas  transferred there and trained with his original vet at the Gower, and Alex who must be from a different branch. Tomorrow it will be Amie, who I dont know but Alex is going to ring me later after the catheter has been removed.

Thank you again for all your good vibes and yes he is a fighter and with help he has done so well.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on April 24, 2011, 18:37:40 PM
That's great news! Been thinking about you both today and hoping he would have improved some more. Hope all goes well with the catheter removal and he can come home very soon. Fancy referring to our lovely boy as a girl, no wonder he trashed his cage lol. Hope Growly's op went ok bless her. Keeping those positive vibes going from all of us xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: cazzer on April 24, 2011, 19:09:50 PM
Thats good news.       Best I've had today.     No news yet on my little man but just found out my friend's 13 year old Birman is pretty poorly.      Just been round to hers as she was crying her eyes out
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: clarenmax on April 24, 2011, 19:16:48 PM
Am so pleased he's improving, and fingers and toes crossed he can come back home very soon  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: lau200 on April 24, 2011, 19:24:09 PM
that's great to hear he's continuing to improve x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: bunglycat on April 24, 2011, 20:07:08 PM
Fabulous news  :crossed: he gets better day by day and is soon back home .
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on April 24, 2011, 20:23:06 PM
Great news Gill, hopfully each day there will be an improvement and be home in no time xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on April 24, 2011, 20:28:11 PM
Gill, I'm so happy to hear that Franta is improving  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 24, 2011, 20:36:49 PM
So pleased ;D ;D ;D

Hope Mabel recovers quickly too :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: west0405 on April 24, 2011, 20:39:01 PM
So glad to hear he is feeling better today. Give his a cuddle from us  :hug: xxxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Kirst on April 24, 2011, 21:07:36 PM
Keep on fighting Franta - your Meowmy is missing you yelling at her! ;) :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: maryas on April 24, 2011, 22:30:45 PM
Franta the cage fighter - he really is getting better  :hug: :Luv2:  He'll be velcroed to you in no time Gill.

Bonnie says HE is all man  :naughty: :Luv2:

I'm sure you'll be able to sleep better tonight Gill.  :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 24, 2011, 23:23:17 PM
Thank you everyone  ;D

I am just hoping he can empty his bladder by himself and am sorta thinking of ringing but then I dont know, decision decisions!

Kirst you are probably right he will be yelling at me very soon and its very quiet at the moment and I look forward to being velcroed again but I must make sure they clip his claws cos they still not done that.

So hope he does well over night,
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 25, 2011, 00:10:45 AM
Sending lots of wee wee vibes for Franta.  Get on the phone now if you've not already done so Gill - you know you wont sleep unless you do.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is in hospital very very very ill
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2011, 00:17:24 AM
I did Carol and wish I hadnt.............posted on ATeam!

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2011, 10:57:24 AM
Just spoken to the vet and she says Franta can come home  ;D

This is the most wonderful news and so looking forward to this.

Somewhere down there vvvvvv, lol, I said they would be desperate for him to go home once he was brighter and she said he vocalizes a lot , doesnt he  :rofl: :rofl:

He is probably disturbing poor Growly......sigh
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: cazzer on April 25, 2011, 11:16:55 AM
excellent news!      Bet he'll be overjoyed to be home.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 25, 2011, 11:22:56 AM
Aaaw Gill.  So very pleased to hear this  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on April 25, 2011, 11:37:04 AM
Brilliant news!   ;D  Bet you can't wait to get him home!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 25, 2011, 11:58:52 AM
So pleased to hear this and I bet Growly is too. :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2011, 13:24:41 PM
He is home  ;D

He meowed all the way back and I havent even seen him cos he has used the tray and gone straight behind his curtain on sill in front room.

I will leave him and he can then understand that he can go where he wants, this is the place he last was before being confined upstairs last monday in the early hours.................I so wish I hadnt moved him.

So he has no need for stress and am now waiting for the vet to ring.......sigh
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: lau200 on April 25, 2011, 13:40:40 PM
that is great news :) i'm made up for everyone involved x it shows just how hard you all worked for him and also Franta's strength too  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2011, 13:47:36 PM
You are right Lau and everyone has cared for him so well, the visits also help cats and in the early days he was having stuff put into his drips every hour.

I just have to watch him now to make sure he uses the tray and agree that Franta has fought this so well being that he has only one kidney and starts from a point where his levels are higher than normal.

I think his creatine level is about the same as it was but am waiting to hear, he starts from a high level but his fighting spirit does the little man credit, I szooooooooooooooooo love him  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: bunglycat on April 25, 2011, 14:52:59 PM
I am so pleased to hear this news hope every  day he gets stronger.
I ask my bridge babies to send healing down for him every night he was ill.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: Kirst on April 25, 2011, 15:08:25 PM
Beavis say - 'Uz Birmans iz Made of strong stuff ya knowz - I alwayz knew Mr Franta would beez OK!"


Grest to hear he is home - and howling! :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - I am going to collect him later
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on April 25, 2011, 15:17:12 PM
Gill - sorry I have not posted before (unfortunately am quite poorly).

BUT I have been following your thread and sending all the positive vibes I could for your darling Franta.

I am so pleased that he is well enough to be back home with you. Think your vets have been absolute gems.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2011, 17:37:55 PM
The vet finally rung and I need to speak to Gareth tomorrow.

I havent seen a reading from his tests until I was shown one line yesterday and think my memory must have gone completely but it didnt say what it was but am sure the figure on it was 294 and Alex said although it was elevated it was not by much. This seemed to tie in with the creatine figure on his test in Dec.

However Amy says there is no figure like that on his test and the figure she has is nearly 400.

Gareth told me on the second day that his levels had halved and Amy said his original level was over 500 so not sure what figure I am being told!

Amy says that his kidney is damaged but clinically he is fine and its not something can be reversed.

He has only come off the drip today and is not currently drinking although he has used the litter tray twice.

He is now lying on the floor just like he was before he went to the vets so I am now worried about him again.

I just dont know really what the situation is  :(

He is quiet and has not made a peep since arriving home just meowed in the car.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: cazzer on April 25, 2011, 17:42:54 PM
oh Gill I don't know what to say.      Poor Franta.       I'll keep you both in my thoughts along with my beloved Karlo and my friends birman Charley.     So many poorly kitties  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: lau200 on April 25, 2011, 18:13:30 PM
oh no i am sorry to hear Franta's not his usual self. the vets must have thought him ok to go home  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on April 25, 2011, 18:44:07 PM
 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 25, 2011, 19:03:40 PM
I'm sure she's got it mixed up Gill and Gareth will be able to put your mind at rest tomorrow.  However,  I can understand how worried you are.  :hug:

He's probably worn out poor lad after all the excitement.  He's investigated his special places and now he's just chilling out.

If its any consolation, Korky lived quite happily with a creatinine reading of 424, his only symptom at that stage was weeing a lot.  It was only when it approached 500 that he started to show symptoms such as sickness and poor appetite.

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Miroslav on April 25, 2011, 19:06:40 PM
Hoping he's alright.

As you'll know, it's not unusual for a cat to behave oddly after being away from home, especially when they'd had work done, so he may need to adjust.

Hopefully it won't take too long and he'll be back to normal ASAP. I'll be cheering him on.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 25, 2011, 19:35:57 PM
Just hoping Franta will be ok when he has settled back in :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2011, 20:22:45 PM
Thank you, I feel quite down at the moment.

He is lying on the floor near the water dish and so hope he is just exhausted but certainly the team that took over after Alex left were not as good as the others.

He has food stuck to his nose and his arms and neck are a mess. There is still blood on his neck, wasnt there yesterday and just cant get my head round the figures, just hope that Gareth is in tomorrow.

He has used the tray twice more and eaten, dont know if he drank but he went to drink.

His towel stinks like a vets and is in washing machine and it was like he had been put in his carrier and this stinking towel was rolled in a ball and stuck in after him. I had to ask for his big cushion but in the car couldnt get the towle sorted out and didnt know how bad it smelt till wwe got home.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: cazzer on April 25, 2011, 20:28:30 PM
sending lots more  :hug: :hug: :hug: x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gillian Harvey on April 25, 2011, 20:34:20 PM
I hope you get some answers about the readings tomorrow Gill  :hug: perhaps the numbers will begin to fall as he starts to eat and drink normally  :hug: Hope he perks up a bit now he's home  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: bunglycat on April 25, 2011, 20:34:49 PM
Have you got a little plastic syringe you could syring some water into him and if you have any aviproplus  could add that to it ?
I really hope its just that he is tired after all he had done .
Loads more mega healing vibes to Franta and loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2011, 20:43:13 PM
They said he was eating and drinking at the vets but he was also on a drip all the time. Its only been removed this morning.

When I said he has not drunk anything, I was told its maybe because he has been on a drip..................but they said he was drinking while he was on the drip.........sigh

He certainly is tired and of course its quiet here for him and nobody prodding and irrating him.

Another sleepless night I guess.......sigh
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: lau200 on April 25, 2011, 20:44:23 PM
he's probably so tired after everything but hopefully you can be put at ease tomorrow x  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 25, 2011, 20:45:21 PM
Thanks Lau  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Jiji on April 25, 2011, 20:51:09 PM
Hopefully he is just feeling a bit unsettled after all he has been through and just needs more time to readjust to being home  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: sheryl on April 25, 2011, 20:57:32 PM
Oh Gill you must be exhausted Hun  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:

Sending Franta lots of love and healing vibes - hopefully he is just so tired and will feel better soon xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on April 25, 2011, 21:29:19 PM
Oh Gill, I do hope you can get some answers soon. Sending you lots of  :hug: :hug: and positive vibes for Franta.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Philip on April 25, 2011, 23:49:15 PM
Sending loads of hugs and prayers to you at this time and loads of positive vibes for Franta  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: bunglycat on April 26, 2011, 00:39:45 AM
Loads more healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: sent for you all and Franta
Hope its all good news tomorrow
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Stuart on April 26, 2011, 00:52:22 AM
Keeping Fingers crossed Franta Improves overnight
sending tons of healing Vibes his way  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
and strength vibes for you  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 26, 2011, 07:14:12 AM


Gill, how is Franta this morning?   Sending very gentle hugs for you both and hoping you can get to speak to Gareth this morning and make sense of the information you were given yesterday.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on April 26, 2011, 07:57:23 AM
Hope Franta has had a good night.  Will be thinking of you both.  :hug:   :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: clarenmax on April 26, 2011, 08:39:02 AM
Morning Gill, how are you both doing this morning?  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 26, 2011, 08:47:45 AM
Hope Franta is feeling more like himself this morning Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: alisonandarchie on April 26, 2011, 09:22:50 AM
Hope you both had a settled night :hug:

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: tab on April 26, 2011, 09:38:20 AM
I hope Franta is feeling better this morning
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 26, 2011, 09:50:23 AM
I am waiting for Gareth to ring me.

He has used the tray once over night, well not so long ago. He is eating but havent seen him drink, but he may have.

He is not himself and really need to know those levels.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 26, 2011, 10:19:56 AM
Gareth has rung and Frantas kidney levels are much higher than back in Dec but a lot less than  when he was taken in on Thursday.

In Dec 10 his Urea was 13.9 and slightly high
                     creatine was 290 and slightly high

it was considered for his age and with one kidney this was good

When he was admitted last thursday all his levels were off the scale ures was about 40 and creatine was over 900 and he was very ill and fighting for his life.

As at yesterday when he came off the drip to come home his urea was approx 22 and creatine was 356 so much higher than it was back in dec.

The big jump down was in the first 24 hrs but although I had been told he was improving every day, it wasnt a lot, especially in the last 24 hrs there cos his creatine only dropped by about 20.

Franta is not a happy little man at present, which maybe partly down to coming home but dont think he is feeling wonderful and the worry is his lack of drinking. Am going to add water to his food but dont want to stop him eating.

He is going back on Thursday to see Gareth and his bloods will be tested again to see how being off the drip has affected him. If the levels have reduced some more that will be great but if they have gone up then Gareth said he will discuss what can be done to try and help him.

All these bloomin holidays are really messing things up cos from Friday through to Tuesday the vets will be closed again for the second long weekend in a row.

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on April 26, 2011, 14:36:16 PM
Gill, keeping my fingers crossed that it will be good news when you go in on Thursday  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 26, 2011, 14:40:30 PM


Well that sounds much more helpful, to be working with that knowledge Gill.  His figures were very high when he was admitted, and although his progress is not as good as I know you'd like, it's a clear improvement.  Will be keeping pace with his progress, and sending both of you much love, as you know.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: cazzer on April 26, 2011, 17:34:34 PM
hoping he's still doing ok and that you are getting some sleep!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: mervyn7451 on April 26, 2011, 18:46:43 PM
Just seen this,Thinking healing vibes,prayers & best wishes for Franta Gill!!

Merv
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 26, 2011, 22:42:13 PM
It must have been so alarming to hear the very high reading of 900 for Createnine Gill  :(

As at yesterday when he came off the drip to come home his urea was approx 22 and creatine was 356 so much higher than it was back in dec.

As you know, Fred's kidneys not very good Gill.  Just for info I believe that createnine levels are the more important of the 2 results to watch out for. 

Fred's last tests in Feb were very similar to Franta's current levels ... only very marginally higher.  Fred seems to be pretty chipper considering.  However I remember Mark mentioning how he had learnt to judge how Clapton's health was doing more by ref to his appearance and behaviour rather than blood results.  Trust your instincts  :hug:  Franta probably needs to adjust a bit to being home and very much hope he settles better overnight tonight  :hug:

He is going back on Thursday to see Gareth and his bloods will be tested again to see how being off the drip has affected him. If the levels have reduced some more that will be great but if they have gone up then Gareth said he will discuss what can be done to try and help him.

Very much hope he improves before then  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 26, 2011, 22:47:52 PM
Thanks Rosella and think you are right about the readings.

With one kidney and at nearly 18 he maybe isnt that bad then. its just he was so much better prior to all of this.

Right now he doesnt look good, not moving good and not acting himself but I reckon he is big time constipated and if so that needs to be resolved unless he will drink some of his milk medecine which may help.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: mervyn7451 on April 27, 2011, 10:55:56 AM
Thanks Rosella and think you are right about the readings.

With one kidney and at nearly 18 he maybe isnt that bad then. its just he was so much better prior to all of this.

Right now he doesnt look good, not moving good and not acting himself but I reckon he is big time constipated and if so that needs to be resolved unless he will drink some of his milk medecine which may help.


Awww Gill,That's how Orbit was right before he went,the vet tried to give him meds to help pass his poo's but they didn't work & when he finally went,he had a fit & passed away before my eye's so I know & feel what you're going thru.

Big hugs.

Merv
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 27, 2011, 11:36:18 AM
Over night he has produced two little nuggets  ;D ;D ;D

Not much for over a week but its a start hopefully.

He drank a mini bit of his milk medicine b ut will try that again tonight, it may just have been a coincidence but hoping whatever it was, its good.

He is eating his food with water in and is going to the tray regularily  doing small puddles rather than what he used to do but Gareth can check tomorrow if he is filling up again.

Ducha his brother is stressed again and has a runny nose so a little bit of cat flu again, have put some bisolven in his food but he didnt eat much.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Angiew on April 27, 2011, 14:29:44 PM
Try not to worry too much about Ducha, we have seen a few wet noses here as well - maybe its the weather/pollen (more like dust in my house  :-[).

You are doing a remarkable job of looking after Franta.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: maryas on April 27, 2011, 14:43:21 PM
You are doing a remarkable job of looking after Franta.  :hug:
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Could not agree more.  You've gone through a hell of a lot with Franta in the past 3 years Gill - well done, keep up the good work - who needs sleep anyway  :naughty: :hug:

Mary
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 27, 2011, 19:06:06 PM
Thank you both  :hug:

It wouldnt be so bad but this wet nose is blowing the wetness everywhere and direct hits atre not nice......sigh
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: cazzer on April 27, 2011, 21:59:29 PM
topping up the  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on April 27, 2011, 23:07:28 PM
sending lots of these for you and darling Franta for tomorrow  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: bunglycat on April 28, 2011, 01:14:59 AM
Loads more vibes for Franta to keep improving , Ducha to get better too and loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 28, 2011, 06:39:08 AM


Gill, just wanted to add my hugs to you and Franta and soothing snoozles to Ducha for his snuffley nose.  :hug: :hug: :cat rub:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: clarenmax on April 28, 2011, 09:01:04 AM
Just checking in to add some more daily vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 28, 2011, 09:51:11 AM
 :thanks:

we are off to the vets in about half hour so hoping everything goes well.

ducha has had bisolven in his food and he is not blowing his nose anymore which is great.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: tab on April 28, 2011, 09:57:04 AM
I hope the vet visit goes well and both Franta and Ducha are feeling better soon
love
Tab
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 28, 2011, 14:00:59 PM
Just back from vets and Frantas levels have gone down so we must be doing something right  ;D

Urea now 19.1 and creatine 334, so the latter only 44 above last dec now  ;D

He has a bit of an urine infection and has had an abs jab for that and Ducha has now been transferred and his notes were faxed through while I was there.

So all in all Franta doing so well since this time last week  ;D

He shouted all the way there and all the time we had to wait and then lay down and chilled all the way home, they are so clever knowing they are coming home. He has had a drink and was lying on my bed.

Gareth said now I can relax for the weekend............WOT!.............me relax .....sigh

I wasnt charged for today which was nice but gonna take 7 months to pay off the bill of £750,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but I am so pleased my little man is improving still and he has got his voice back  ;D ;D

Thank you everyone for you kind thoughts and good vibes, so much appreciated.  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Jiji on April 28, 2011, 14:20:49 PM
I am so pleased it was good news  ;D you must be very relieved :)
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Rosella moggy on April 28, 2011, 14:27:51 PM
 :) :) :) :)  Just delighted!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: clarenmax on April 28, 2011, 17:06:02 PM
Aw Gilly I'm so pleased  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wonderful news  :hug: :hug: xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: bunglycat on April 28, 2011, 17:13:42 PM
So pleased to hear this news ;D ;D ;D ;D :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: mervyn7451 on April 28, 2011, 18:37:34 PM
 :yayyy: Great to hear this Gill!!  Give Franta a hug from Daisy Cat!! :wow: :wow: :wow:

 :you go girl:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: cazzer on April 28, 2011, 19:28:20 PM
that's great news!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on April 28, 2011, 20:09:36 PM
That's great news Gill. I'm so pleased  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 28, 2011, 21:18:53 PM
Thank you I am very pleased  ;D

Trouble is he is a bit down now which I am sure is the convenia jab for his bladder infection and it has been very warm here today.

Of course he could have worn him self out shouting for a couple hours.......sigh
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on April 28, 2011, 22:34:50 PM
So glad to hear this news Gill, yip he will be tired from shouting

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: ChrisB on April 28, 2011, 22:42:04 PM
Gill, this is great news  :clap:
Lots of  :hug: to you all.   Easier said than done but try and get some sleep and relaxation now.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 28, 2011, 23:33:17 PM
Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I seem to be jumping from one problem to another.

I just dont need this but Sasa the semi feral seems to be limping...........I am just hoping its my imagination as vet back to emergencies tomorrow, althought Gareth said if Misa or Sasa need emergency care, there notes can be transferred after. Sasa was seen after being bitten about 4 years ago.

No other cats around cept Misa and am sure he wouldnt bite her.......please keep fingers crossed thats its just me panicking!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: bunglycat on April 29, 2011, 00:52:43 AM
Miight have jumped down from somewhere and just made it a bit tender .
Winston has been limping on and off for a  few days and he kept holding his paw up -the vet said he has a touch of arthritis . :hug: :hug:
Hopefully its either nothing much or your imagination  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

The trouble is when you have more than one it seems like first one has a problem then another and another .
Smartie has been a bit off this week and been sick on Tuesday night -been giving him avi pro plus and he seems a bit better today .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 29, 2011, 02:53:16 AM
She is definately limping grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I will watch her cos she was ok yesterday and hope it goes cos cant touch her
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on April 30, 2011, 16:50:14 PM
Hows is Sasa now? Hope all ok

Zoe
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2011, 00:01:10 AM
Thanks for asking,

As far as I can tell, she is Ok but its so easy to think she is limping but dont think she is any more. I am keeping a close watching eye on her just as she is on me ............sigh

Franta is doing very well and has his full blown meow back and is using the tray  ;D
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: bunglycat on May 01, 2011, 01:42:57 AM
Thats great news about Franta  :Luv2: ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hope Sasa is ok too.
Loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
Thanks Bungly  ;D

I am sure Sasa hasnt been bitten cos she is out in the garden playing with Misa and a bite would have become a problem by now.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is home but his kidney seems to be quite damaged
Post by: Tan on May 01, 2011, 13:19:14 PM
Wonderful news hun.  ;D ;D Sending lots of hugs over  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2011, 14:25:56 PM
I should have never said anything cos Franta is back in hospital and he has blocked up again  :(

They are now going to repaet what they did last time and Geraint who he has seen before on his seizures is looking after him today.

Geraint thinks that they now have to discuss Franta cos he thinks he is going to need an operation to stop him blocking again.

Franta slept on the bed most of the night and used the tray so have got him there as sooon as possible so hopefully he will not be as bad as before.

A lying down silent Franta in the car and on the vet table is not a normal Franta.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Angiew on May 01, 2011, 14:33:15 PM
Oh Gill,  :hug: and vibes to you and Franta!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2011, 14:34:42 PM
Thank you Angie and he needs all the good vibes that he can get   :'(

I am waiting for the vet to ring back.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Steff - Petsearch Bedford HQ on May 01, 2011, 14:37:51 PM
Lots of vibes for Franta and hugs for you Gill
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: bunglycat on May 01, 2011, 14:53:43 PM
Oh Gill , i am sorry to hear this again , hoping it will be resolved very quickly and he will be home with you very soon.
Loads of healing vibes for him and loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for all of you .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Philip on May 01, 2011, 15:26:17 PM
So sorry to hear this Gill. Topping up the healing vibes from the ragdoll gang x  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Stuart on May 01, 2011, 16:06:47 PM
more top up vibes
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 01, 2011, 16:12:40 PM
So sorry to hear this latest news Gill  :( Sending lots of  :hug: :hug: to you and lots of positive vibes for Franta.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on May 01, 2011, 16:21:21 PM
So sorry to hear this Gill, sending lots of positive healing vibes for Franta and hugs to you from me,Hobbes and Luna xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 01, 2011, 16:23:02 PM
 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Sootyca on May 01, 2011, 16:53:38 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Hope you get some good news soon.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2011, 17:10:10 PM
Thank you all.

Franta has apparently pulled the drip out but the catheter is in and working but the vet has had to go out on an emergency for a pregnant cow, so waiting for him to ring me when he gets back.

The nurse says he is comfortable but reckon Franta will not agree with that!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Kirst on May 01, 2011, 17:14:14 PM
Oh no , poor Franta and poor you!

Sending lots more vibes xxxxx :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: lau200 on May 01, 2011, 18:54:12 PM
oh no how awful Gill hugs for you all x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 01, 2011, 19:07:33 PM
I should have never said anything cos Franta is back in hospital and he has blocked up again  :(

Geraint thinks that they now have to discuss Franta cos he thinks he is going to need an operation to stop him blocking again.

Sorry to hear this  Gill :hug: I does happen with some cats that they can block almost immediately after the first flush through.  :hug: Hopefully this time will get it sorted and you can look at diet options, stress relief (for both of you lol!  ;) ) etc, to avoid the op.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: mervyn7451 on May 01, 2011, 19:09:55 PM
Thinking good thoughts for Franta Gill!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2011, 19:12:20 PM
I dont think there are any diet options cos he will only eat one food.......sigh

Its being mixed with water and he is loving it that way. He wont eat anything with lumps in at all and has always been like that.  I discussed this briefly with Gareth on Thursday cos he does occaisonally like the kidney biscuits but the problem is, his brother gets sick if he eats any biscuits.

Stress relief for both of us would be great!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on May 01, 2011, 19:59:01 PM
So sorry to hear this Gill  :hug: Thinking of you both and hope Franta goes on to make a speedy recovery  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: clarenmax on May 01, 2011, 20:48:41 PM
Sorry to hear Franta is back in  hospital  :hug: :hug:

Sending tons of get well vibes his way, and lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: for you hunnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: sheryl on May 01, 2011, 20:55:39 PM
Oh Gill, Im so sorry to hear that Franta is so poorly again sending big  :hug: for you and lots of love and healing vibes for Franta xxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 01, 2011, 21:31:02 PM
Gill so so sorry Franta is back in hospital :hug:Thinking about you both :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: ChrisB on May 01, 2011, 21:40:38 PM
Gill, my thoughts are with you and Franta  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2011, 21:44:21 PM
Thank you all.

Its doing my head in cos still nobody has rung and he has been there nearly 12 hours and last info I had around 5 hours ago was that he had pulled the drip out and they had ha probs getting it in the first time.

I know they have been very busy but cant even get through now, and still dont know how his blood test was.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 01, 2011, 21:57:06 PM
Hope you hear something very soon :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2011, 22:34:35 PM
Things are not good and have just spoken to Geraint.

Although his kidney levels are up slightly in Urea but down in Creatine to 319 an xray has been taken of his bladder and this shows stones and also tiny crystals are coming out. This wasnt the case on the crystals last time and he didnt have an xray, he was too ill for an anesthetic but have to think they were there.

Geraint says he needs an op to remove them and that would be on Tuesday when Gareth was there to do it as long as his kidney figures drop again.

Due to Frantas age and only one kidney this is an enormous risk but as far as I can tell from Geraint he will keep blocking and subsequently die if they are not removed.

Franta has pulled out the catheter and the drip and both have had to be reinserted

I will be going to see Franta tomorrow and need to see Gareth on Tuesday to discuss this, its just sinking in  :'( :'( :'( :'(

I am so scared I am going to lose my beautiful boy.......................
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Kirst on May 01, 2011, 22:36:56 PM
Oh Gill....................... :hug: :hug: :hug: :'(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on May 01, 2011, 22:37:32 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: JackSpratt on May 01, 2011, 22:42:35 PM
How old is Franta? I don't think I've ever noticed on your posts. :scared:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 01, 2011, 22:43:11 PM
Sorry Gill  :hug: Hope he is well enough to have the op on Tue  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 01, 2011, 22:43:46 PM
So sorry to hear this Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug:  Poor little lamb  :(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: bunglycat on May 01, 2011, 22:44:56 PM
So sorry Gill , hope he recovers well enough to have the op and then goes on to a full recovery -poor boy  :'(
Loads of get well vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: sent for him and all of you .
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 01, 2011, 22:50:32 PM
Franta will be 18 on 13 Aug, he was born on Fri 13th and I am so supersticious.............. :'(

The op will take about an hour so thats quite long I think.

I am just destroyed at the moment  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: maryas on May 01, 2011, 23:31:15 PM
So let's think about how we are gonna spend Franta's 18th birthday.  He and Bonnie might want to have a romantic dinner for 2 but I think everyone should join in  :hug: :Luv2: :hug:

He's a strong little hugger even though he only has 1 kidney and they will monitor him well when he is having his op Gill.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 02, 2011, 00:02:53 AM
I agree Franta is a fighter :hug:

Am just got everything crossed that Frantas levels will be ok for Tuesday

Gill just know how you are feeling and I know we are all thinking about you including me.

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 02, 2011, 07:08:28 AM
Gill  :hug: :hug:

I think the fact that Franta was born on a Friday the 13th is an auspicious sign, a beautiful gift that became your very own personal joy, so try not to be fearful  :hug:  Franta's a fighter indeed, as others have said.   :hug: :hug:  At least if he has the operation, you're giving him a chance, a fighting chance, and Geraint will do his level best for a positive outcome.   Let us know how he is.  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 02, 2011, 08:47:34 AM
 :hug:

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 02, 2011, 09:21:10 AM
Agree that Franta wouldn't have come this far without being  a fighter Gill.  Fingers crossed that he has a good day today and tomorrow goes well  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Zenith (Liz) on May 02, 2011, 10:08:09 AM
I'm so sorry Gill.  All this you're having to go through!
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 02, 2011, 10:35:39 AM
I am off to vist him in next few minutes
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 02, 2011, 11:02:23 AM
Sorry to hear our handsome man is back at the vets :(  Keeping everything crossed for  him  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: JackSpratt on May 02, 2011, 11:13:26 AM
Hoping for improvement for Frantaman.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Jiji on May 02, 2011, 11:40:09 AM
So sorry to hear Franta is poorly again, I hope he is well enough for the operation tomorrow and that everything goes well  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 02, 2011, 14:02:09 PM
Just back from seeing Franta and he is not well at all and Garath his vet is not in tomorrow, so cant see him till wednesday.

Its like Franta is so unhappy and his little life is draining away, he is on abs and painkillers but is in pain still. He cant have metacam cos of his kidney.

They think he is doing well but I think he is worse than when I took him yesterday. The nurse says he is getting lots of cuddles and before I arrived he was lying on his back fast asleep. afriad that means his tummy is sore cos he never sleeps on his back normally.

Also I took his food with him yesterday and asked that they mix it with water but they hadnt and he was starving hungry so vet has put up a note telling them to mix it with water and that he should be called Napoleon cos he doesnt answer to Franta. He also got a dish of food,

He does not have struvite crystals which diet etc would help. He has the other type that have to be surgically removed and diet has no effect.

Right now he is in the best place to keep flushing out his kidney but I see Gareth at 1100 on Wednesday and we will have to decide what is best for my special little man. If there is a chance I think I must try the operation but there will be a huge risk of him not surviving the anesthetic.

I am just a wreck right now and life is just standing still cos I cant do anything.

I will get an update on hime tonight and go and see him tomorrow, its all I can do for him, I so wish I could help him more  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: jezebel on May 02, 2011, 14:16:15 PM
Poor Franta, and poor you.  :hug:

There's nothing I can say to make it better, I can only emphathise because I've been in a similar situation - cat lying ill in hospital and me at home going spare and feeling helpless.

It's odd that, given how ill he is, a vet can't see him till Wednesday. Is there no-one at the surgery tomorrow?

Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 02, 2011, 14:23:12 PM
Sending more of these to you and Franta  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 02, 2011, 14:33:09 PM
Yes a vet could see me tomorrow, he is under a vet all the time but I want to discuss this with the vet that knows him best, all the vets have differing opinions and they dont really want to tread on any toes.

I think Geraint yesterday did as much as he could by getting the xrays done and bloods but he wanted Frantas levels to come down some more to make him stronger for the op.

Some, well at least one of the vets I dont trust, so its also important for me to see Gareth who I do trust and he also knows me and he is a partner.

I am sure that if Frantas condition medically deteriates they will be in touch.  :scared:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Kirst on May 02, 2011, 15:10:51 PM
hoping and praying for poor Franta , and for you xxxx
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: lau200 on May 02, 2011, 17:56:46 PM
oh no Gill i am so sorry to hear he seems worse :( hugs from us all x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 02, 2011, 18:18:21 PM
Gill, I can't do anything useful, but am sending you much love and big hugs.  Everything crossed here for Ole Blue Eyes.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 02, 2011, 18:26:44 PM
Thank you and all your thoughts for Franta are much appreciated and hope that they are being kept in storage for him.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: clarenmax on May 02, 2011, 19:14:06 PM
Sending lots of hugs your way hunnie  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 02, 2011, 19:46:43 PM
Lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and Franta.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: ChrisB on May 02, 2011, 21:41:41 PM
Gill, sending lots of good wishes and positive vibes to you and Franta  :hug:
Come on our blue eyed boy, we are all thinking of you.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: JackSpratt on May 02, 2011, 21:47:59 PM
Topping up for Frantaman. And of course the hugs for you. :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 02, 2011, 22:22:13 PM
Have just spoken to the vets and they say he is eatin, sleepin, sittin up and most important cleanin. He has used the tray without shoutin and say if he was feeling really bad he wouldnt clean.......he wasnt this morning, so sounds like he is brighter.

I need him to be strong as possible and as well as possible before the operation.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: ChrisB on May 02, 2011, 22:24:48 PM
Really good news that he is grooming himself.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Tan on May 02, 2011, 22:28:40 PM
Sounds positive gilly that's brill. My love and thoughts are with you both  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Sylvia on May 02, 2011, 22:51:48 PM
Sending loads of Get Well wishes for Franta, and  :hug: :hug: for you.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 03, 2011, 06:50:44 AM
Adding to all the positive thoughts and good wishes for our special Mr Franta Napoleon.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: clarenmax on May 03, 2011, 09:45:55 AM
This all sounds much more positive, way to go Frantaman  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on May 03, 2011, 11:45:48 AM
Not had chance to catch up with this thread properly but sorry to hear ole blue eyes is poorly again and sending you both masses of positive vibes and lots of these  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: bunglycat on May 03, 2011, 14:06:19 PM
Just logging on to see how Franta is today Gill -any news ?
Hope he improves and recovers well after hos op tomorrow.

Will be checking all day tomorrow to see how he is doing -hope it all goes really well for him  :hug :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 03, 2011, 16:37:53 PM
I went to see him early this afternoon and he looks like he has lost a lot of weight but he has improved except he now has the diahrea that he had before he went. so they have starved him and he is so hungry. He started shouting for food.

They tried a sensitivity food which was a pate and mixed it with water to make it sloppy but he wouldnt eat it. I am sure its the marbocyl getting his tummy and he needs lacto B. Its no good not letting him have his normal food when he wont eat any other and he needs his strength cos he hasnt had enough food since he has been there.

He was brought to one of the consulting rooms so out of his cage but with his hated drip and the vet nurses love him and one was on duty when he came in on Sunday and says she can see how he has improved.

I see Gareth at 1110 tomorrow to discuss him.

I am waiting for the blood results for creatine cos they had to recalibrate the machine but his urea result hasnt changed.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Jiskefet on May 03, 2011, 16:49:27 PM
Poor Franta.
Good to know he is feeling a bit better, but these stones will have to come out, I fear.....
The sooner the better.

Hang in there, Franta!!!!!
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Philip on May 03, 2011, 17:02:12 PM
Come on Franta......Get better for mummy as she loves you so much.
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 03, 2011, 17:13:44 PM
I'm glad he's showing some improvement!  He's tough as old boots is Franta and a real fighter  :hug:
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: cazzer on May 03, 2011, 18:50:12 PM
poor Franta you must be so worried Gill.     Hope he gets better soon  :hug: x
Title: Re: Frantas change in behavior - Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder
Post by: sheryl on May 03, 2011, 21:28:52 PM
Thinking of you both Hun  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: JackSpratt on May 03, 2011, 22:09:46 PM
What a trooper he is! :)
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 03, 2011, 22:12:50 PM
I have just spoken to Geraint and although I am seeing Gareth tomorrow at 1110, its pretty certain Franta will then be operated on to remove the stones because there is no choice.

I am very worried cos they have not been giving him enough food but Geraint says he has food at present and his normal food and they often have had to operate on anorexic cats, just dont think Franta needs anything else working against him.

I am worried sick about him and cant eat and just feeling  :censored:  :'( :'( :'(

Please give him all your bestest good vibes for tomorrow and that he pulls through the anesthetic and also it doesnt damage his kidney

Thanks for your support for Franta Napoleon
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: maryas on May 03, 2011, 22:27:31 PM
Gill I'm at my mum's all day tomorrow but I will be thinking of you and the darling Franta Napoleon and praying my head off that all goes well.

No point in saying you should try and sleep cos I know it will be impossible and you will worry until he is home and velcroed to you  :Luv2: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xxxxxx :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Guest on May 03, 2011, 22:30:38 PM
Oh no! Thinking of you xxxx
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 03, 2011, 22:40:10 PM
Gill sending All my best wishes and thoughts to Franta for tomorrow. Just got everything crossed :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Liz on May 03, 2011, 22:41:59 PM
I hope all goes well
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Sylvia on May 03, 2011, 22:47:31 PM
Sending all the bestest possible good vibes for Franta tomorrow, and more  :hug: :hug: for you Gill
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 03, 2011, 22:52:39 PM
Sending all positive vibes for you and Franta for tomorrow and lots of these  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 03, 2011, 23:20:11 PM
Will be thinking of you both tomorrow and hope everything goes well  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 04, 2011, 00:06:54 AM
Thank you all very much.

I am gonna try going to bed now and wont be back till after Frantas op.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: bunglycat on May 04, 2011, 00:26:45 AM
Sending the best vibes in the world for Franta tomorrow and will tell my bridge babies tonight to send healing vibes to help him get back to his mum asap after the op .
Hope it all goees well and will be checking up to make sure .
Loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you all.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Janeyk on May 04, 2011, 06:37:11 AM
Hope that all goes well will be thinking of Franta and you Gill  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 04, 2011, 07:12:53 AM


Gill, I don't know if you'll get time to see this beforehand, but sending you a huge hug and letting you know there's so much positive feeling coming your way from everyone here for faberlush Frantaman.   :grouphug:  Have everything crossed for today and for Franta's op.   :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Sootyca on May 04, 2011, 07:18:34 AM
Hope everything goes well today. You'll be in my thoughts.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 04, 2011, 07:56:38 AM
Gill, sending heaps and heaps of good luck vibes for Franta today. And lots of  :hug: :hug: to you.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Kirst on May 04, 2011, 07:58:44 AM
Seniding lots of hopes , prayers and of course those famous Purrs vibes for Franta today. Beavis sends his most gentle " mrrow" and a head butt x :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Dawn F on May 04, 2011, 08:51:26 AM
fingers crossed for you
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: clarenmax on May 04, 2011, 08:56:39 AM
Praying that all goes well later  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

I know its impossible, so won't say try not to worry, but know that he's in very safe hands, and your vets will do their very best for your little man.  They know him and his history, sowill take extra special care of him  :Luv2: :Luv2:

Keep us posted, and topping up again on those famour Purrs vibes for you both xx
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Jiji on May 04, 2011, 10:04:31 AM
Just to let you know I am thinking of you both today and sending positive thoughts  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: cazzer on May 04, 2011, 11:28:35 AM
hoping it all goes well   :hug:  :hug: x
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: tab on May 04, 2011, 11:29:53 AM
I hope everything goes well and Franta is back home again soon
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 04, 2011, 12:15:34 PM


Topping up the vibes Gill, and thinking of you both right now.   :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on May 04, 2011, 12:40:52 PM
Thinking of you both and sending masses of positive healing vibes and  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: JackSpratt on May 04, 2011, 12:44:59 PM
Topping up on the Franta vibes.
 :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 04, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
Thank you all so much for the good vibes, the operastion will be uderway now and am waiting to hear if the first part has gone OK and stopped there or whethyer they will have to move to the second part.

Just before I got there Franta bit throught the stitchs holding the catheter in and pulled it out again and can see that he also has a new badage on his leg where the drip goes in. He blocked up again as soon as he pulled the catheter out  :(

Gareth has shown me the xrays and he believes the stones that were around his non-working kidney 3 years ago have broken up and moved into his bladder, not quite all though. He has one stone that is possible now blocking up the opening (uretha?) and the catheter had moved it to one side . This is the one that is the real problem.

I had 3 options   PTS, an op to remove the stone by blowing it back into the bladder and then open ing the bladder to remove all stones and crystals and hoping that no more will come down from around the kidney and the most complicated that will be stage two if they cant blow the stone back, is to castrate him ie feminize him so the opening is made bigger and and small syones will just pass through but this also iunvolves moving the stone to a plce they can get at it.

I decided we would go for tryimng to get the stone fromm the bladder which will change to the last option if they cant move it.

Gareth is doing the operation and the first part will take about an hour or so but if they cant do that they will ring me to say they are moving to the feminizing option which will take about 3 hours.

I saw Franta for quite a while and he wanted to get off the table and onto the floor and was flicking his drip lead to try and get it out of his leg, being my cheeky clever Franta.

Gareth says that Franta is a strong cat and he thinks he will be Ok with the anesthetic, so am just sitting around worrying and waiting for a phone call to know how things have gone.

I have told Franta that everyone is routing for him and to be a big strong fighting Catman and I love him so much.

Forgot to say that cos of all his successes in pulling out catheter and drips he is going to be stitched under the skin and glued.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 04, 2011, 12:52:26 PM


Oh sweetheart.  This is the worst bit for you.   :hug: :hug:  Franta is a big strong clever Catman Frantaman, and not for nothing is he called Napoleon.  Am pleased to hear what they  have planned in relation to his stitches - tsk!   Hang on in there, treasure.  Keeping all of the vibes strong for you.  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on May 04, 2011, 12:54:13 PM
Oh Gill - waiting is horrible and I really feel for you.  I'll keep sending all the positive vibes that I can muster for Franta Napoleon.  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Dawn F on May 04, 2011, 13:08:58 PM
oh Gill, this is the worst part, at least he is a big strong boy and your vet has high hopes for him  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 04, 2011, 13:38:19 PM
Just had a call from vets and op only just starting, it was delayed for some reason.

I bloomin forgot to ask why but could be an emergency for another animal.
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Post by: nicter on May 04, 2011, 13:46:02 PM
 :hug: to you Gill x
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Kirst on May 04, 2011, 13:48:50 PM
Come on franta , keep on fighting and show them vets what Birmans are made of xxx :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: clarenmax on May 04, 2011, 14:14:14 PM
Keep strong little man, and of course his meowmy too  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 04, 2011, 14:20:13 PM
 :hug: :hug: to you Gill - Darling Franta we are all rooting for you :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on May 04, 2011, 15:19:14 PM
Thinking of you and Franta Gill and hoping everything goes well. Come on darling boy you can do it xxxx
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 04, 2011, 15:26:33 PM



Lots more Franta vibes winging their way Welshwards for our Faberlush Franta and his meowmy.    :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on May 04, 2011, 15:32:45 PM
Thinking of you both  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 04, 2011, 15:35:02 PM
Gill, have been sat at work looking at the clock and thinking of you and Franta. Hope the op is going/has gone well  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 04, 2011, 15:48:36 PM
Hoping all is going well Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Gill, have been sat at work looking at the clock and thinking of you and Franta.

Same here .... keeping refreshing this page to check for updates .....
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Post by: bunglycat on May 04, 2011, 16:02:17 PM
Hoping everything is going well for Franta and been thinking about him all day , loads of healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 04, 2011, 16:26:45 PM
Nobody has rung me and all I can get is Franta is Ok and op has gone well.............they said Gareth would ring me back in 10 mins over 20 mins ago but he is dealing with a rabbit that is under anasthetic and an emergency.

I should be pleased that Franta is OK but I know that until one talks to the vet, you are just being placated and I have no idea what actually happened.

I dont understand why was the operation delayed so long and then why a proper message has not been sent to me so I know what actually happened.

I know emergencies have to be treated and would expect Franta to be treated if he took a turn for the worse but Gareth promised me that he would be in touch during or straight after the op to stop me worrying but this has not been done .

Sorry I know I am, ranting!

Forget all that above, about to set out to see Franta, Gareth has just rung and Franta is awake and sitting up. They didnt have to femize him and its hoped he will now recover fine.

They will be wtching for any signs of problems like the bladder leaking which is a danger, he said it was like stitching a water balloon and also any damage to his kidney.

I am going to go visit him now and am sure this great news will sink in by the time i get back cos they are cl;osing the entrance I use back onto the M4 every night for rest of week so want to make sure I can get home .

Thank you so much for all your good vibes and watching, have to say I am so tired and fell asleep and only woke and started panicking at 1546!

Will report back when I am home again
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Dawn F on May 04, 2011, 16:28:48 PM
was going to say if they could squeeze in an emergency then franta couldn't be that bad but read the rest of your post, am glad he is ok and hope you don't get stuck on the m4!
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Post by: jezebel on May 04, 2011, 16:30:48 PM
Great news! Hope Franta makes a quick recovery and is home soon.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Jiskefet on May 04, 2011, 16:34:03 PM
Wonderful news.
Franta is a strong guy!!!!
Give him a hug from al of us....
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Post by: alisonandarchie on May 04, 2011, 16:36:09 PM
I am so pleased to hear the news. Franta is such a star :hug:

Gill what a relief :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Jiji on May 04, 2011, 16:37:31 PM
Very happy to hear the op went well, hope he makes a good recovery and is back home soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: clarenmax on May 04, 2011, 16:48:26 PM
This is great news :)  Give him lots of cuddles from all of us too if he'll allow it  :)  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 04, 2011, 18:09:36 PM
Gill, that's all sounding very positive.   :hug: :hug:  It's always nerve wracking waiting for news, so fully understand how anxious you were feeling.

What we all need now is for Franta to get his strength back and to be able to come home as soon as Gareth thinks he's ready. 

Hoping all is good for your journey there and back Gill.
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on May 04, 2011, 18:23:39 PM
That is the news we've all been waiting for, things are sounding very positive for our little man. Good to know they will be keeping a close eye on him, here's hoping he gets stronger now and can come home soon. Lots of love to you both xxx
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Post by: cazzer on May 04, 2011, 18:39:57 PM
well done Franta!
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 04, 2011, 19:12:13 PM
Back from vets and the roadworks sign has now gone...........it was there this morning!

Franta was very tired but is looking well but we are not out of the woods yet.

The op went well but the anesthetic wasnt that good and apparently he was up and down the whole timer from being very deeply asleep to almost not breathing but they monitored him all the time and Gareth said the nurse was very good but the effect on his kidney wont be known yet.

It will take aboiut 3 days before they know if the bladder is sealed properly but will monitor that all the time.

He showed me the stones that camerout, very small but the bigger of the two was the real killer. He said if I wanted they could go for analysis but he thought it would not acheive anything as all that would come back is that he should be on this food or that food and thats not an option for Franta. So they have been binned!

Its hoped that no more will come down from around his bad kidney and he has not had to go the feminizer route, which is good I think cos he would have been under anesthetic for another two hours.

He cant be on the meds that other cats would go on because of his kidney and Gareth says that steroids stop the healing process and he cant have metacam. So he is on pain meds and thats almost it.

He is still on a drip but catheter is gone and he still flicking his paw to try and get rid of the drip.

It hasnt been said how long he will be there but I suspect until monday at least cos they want to be sure that the bladder heals, I was told it has disolveable stitches in it, and the total healing time is about 8 days.

I am totally exhausted now and Franta was holding my fingers with his head on them and I could see he was struggling to keep his eyes open but he kept gripping my fingers cos he didnt want me to leave. I thought it was better that he had a proper sleep in his cage and Gareth did too.

Have left some more food and will go back and see him tomorrow but will ring up late tonight to see if he is OK.

Its wonderful to see my little Catman and hope that he heals well and there is no kidney damage.

Thank you for all your thoughts cos you have helped him and also kept me going  :hug:



Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 04, 2011, 19:36:34 PM
So glad he has come through op Gill. Gareth sounds a very good vet.

Franta is a real fighter :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: bunglycat on May 04, 2011, 19:37:15 PM
Fantastic news , here is hoping it continues and all heals well to make a full recovery and soon be back home .
I am so pleased to read this news -loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you and especially darling Franta .
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 04, 2011, 19:37:31 PM
Gill, so glad to hear the op went well. Sending lots of  :hug: to you and lots of healing vibes for Franta. Let's hope he's home with you very soon.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Kirst on May 04, 2011, 19:55:15 PM
So pleased the op went well - hoping Franta has a peaceful night and is much much better tomorrow! :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: maryas on May 04, 2011, 20:16:28 PM
Aaw Gill, I've got tears in my eyes as I smile, I am so pleased he came through ok.  Still praying for the healing time to go well.

Mary and Bonnie xx :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on May 04, 2011, 20:29:42 PM
Well done Franta.   :)  Still sending  positive healing vibes for a trouble-free recovery period.  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: sheryl on May 04, 2011, 20:34:06 PM
So glad to hear the good news Gill - he truly is such a little fighter xxx still sending lots of healing vibes for your special little man xxx
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: ChrisB on May 04, 2011, 21:37:43 PM
Gill, so pleased that the op went well - sending lots of get well wishes to Franta and  :hug: to you.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 04, 2011, 23:03:13 PM
Gill - delighted to hear that darling Franta has done so well - wot a special boy he is  :Luv2:

Sending healing vibes for your special man. Easier said than done I know but try to look after yourself as well  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 04, 2011, 23:12:13 PM
Just spoken to the vets and Franta has eaten a bit and urinated a bit which is really good, he has just had some more pain relief and Gareth will look at him again tomorrow morning.

He told me that Franta will be scanned each day to make sure his bladder is not leaking cos if it does Franta will get very sick very quickly.

So wishing Franta a good nights sleep and lots of good healing  ;D
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Tan on May 04, 2011, 23:21:21 PM
That's such wonderful news  so so brilliant  :hug: :hug:

My love and thoughts are with you  and Franta and all the gang.  :hug: :hug:

Get some rest Gilly, ya need it and don't forget to eat  :Luv: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 04, 2011, 23:25:07 PM
Thanks Tanni  :hug:

I had bbq spare ribs and that filled me up. oh and strawberry and cream  ;D
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 04, 2011, 23:29:52 PM
Oh thats good news he's doing pretty well considering  :hug:  I've been out and only just got in, so had to check to see how he was doing  ;D . Hope you can relax (a bit perhaps?  ;) ) at least in the knowledge that he's being so well looked after.  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: maryas on May 04, 2011, 23:32:04 PM
Only one strawberry Gill?  :evillaugh: :hug:

Hope you both get a good night's rest.

Mary and Bonnie xx :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: bunglycat on May 05, 2011, 01:06:53 AM
Still sending the healing vibes for Franta to make a full recovery and have many more years with you  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Hope you get a decent nights sleep.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 05, 2011, 07:04:01 AM
Gill, sending love and hugs for you and Franta this morning.  I loved the way he was holding your hand yesterday.  Bless him, he's such a gorgeous little soul.   :hug: :hug:  Keeping all crossed that he continues to make good steady improvement, and no further intervention will be necessary.    :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Dawn F on May 05, 2011, 08:22:37 AM
hope you slept well Gill, glad to hear he is doing so well
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 05, 2011, 08:40:52 AM
Just so pleased that he is recovering very well :hug: Hope you got some rest last night.

Fingers crossed that scan goes well :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: clarenmax on May 05, 2011, 08:44:47 AM
Morning hunnie, hope you managed to have a restful night, and Franta too of course!!!!

Such good news that he's come round so well after the op, and bless that he was holding your hand too, he's such a gorgeous little man  :Luv2:

I hope today continues to see such wonderful improvements, keep us posted xx
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Post by: tab on May 05, 2011, 08:55:55 AM
Im glad things went well and hope that he continues to improve and recover quickly
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
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Post by: Jiji on May 05, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
Hope you and Franta have both had a good nights rest and that he continues to improve today  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 05, 2011, 14:53:24 PM
I had 10 hrs of broken sleep cos Ducha kept pushing me off the pillow!

I have just come back from visiting Franta and he is not a happy man cos he wants to go to the litter tray every few minutes and he go so fed up that he decided that he would just lay in there.

Gareth said its because of the op on his bladder and right now this is what happens. I do hope he improves over to day cos this is not very good for him.

I was provided with a dish, spoon and his food, so although they said he was eating I think its so little that they hoped he would eat with me but he wouldnt, think his badder is causing him too much problem and its the only thing he is focusing on.

He gave me a terrible fright cos he jumped off the table, Gareth came and checked him out and said he was Ok  :scared:

So not very good today really but hoping he will improve.

I will ring later and find out if any change.

I am still exhausted and think Franta is too cos he wont have had much sleep I think.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: souffle on May 05, 2011, 15:46:03 PM
I can't do anything but send my love. I have been there with that lump in my throat and tears in my eyes trying and trying to feed a little sick one.
I hope he pulls through for you. It's a shame they can't live on love xx
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 05, 2011, 18:36:39 PM
Just rung the vet cos forgot to take any food for Franta at lunchtime but they have enough until tomorrow .........phew

It was Gareth that answered the phone and he said that Frantas probs with the tray have reduced and Franta is sitting on his bed  grooming himself and surveying what is going on around him  ;D

That makes me feel so much better.

Gareth showed me the wound at lunch time and its much smaller than I had expected and all nice and neat and sealed with glue and Franta doesnt seem interested in it  ;D
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on May 05, 2011, 19:15:46 PM
That is sounding very positive Gill  ;D I suppose his bladder would be a bit unsettled as they had been into it to remove the stones so it sounds like it is settling down now. Good news that he is grooming and taking an interest in things too. Gareth sounds like he is an absolute star  :Luv: Hopefully it will be onwards and upwards from now on and hope you get some sleep tonight  :Crazy:  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 05, 2011, 20:12:29 PM
Latest update sounds good Gill - keep healing darling Franta  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: lau200 on May 05, 2011, 20:39:03 PM
awww he's starting to sound like his old self then :)
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 05, 2011, 21:19:44 PM
Very pleased to hear news ;D Gareth is a great vet ;D

Well done Franta :Luv:

Gill hope you can get some sleep tonight :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 05, 2011, 21:21:46 PM
I believe they have to flush out the bladder completely Ann.

Thank you and I am feeling a bit more positive about it now and hope this will be confirmed when I see him tomorrow.

A good nights sleep would be fantastic would someone please tell Ducha I love him to bits but need all my pillow!
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 05, 2011, 21:25:41 PM
Come on Ducha let your meowmy have some of your pillow :)
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: maryas on May 06, 2011, 00:16:08 AM
Ducha's just letting you know what it's gonna be like when Franta's back  :naughty: :hug:

So glad you are getting good reports from the vets.  :Luv2: :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: bunglycat on May 06, 2011, 01:13:12 AM
So glad its all looking positive , long may it continue and he is home real soon. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Yes, know what its like having a furry pillow -i have Smartie on mine wrapped round my neck and his paw in my hand , also had Sophie other side , Pandora rolling all over me and Fifi at the bottom -and me having hot flushes -feel like i am in a sauna sometimes -a furry one !! :rofl:
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Post by: Dawn F on May 06, 2011, 08:21:25 AM
all sounds good Gill
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 06, 2011, 10:52:49 AM
Just off to visit Franta and have spoken to Gareth.

Apparently he is using his tray about every 15 mins but should get better over the next few days........I do hope so.

He is likeley to come home tomorrow if he stays OK.

Gareth was worried about him cos he was lyinmg on his side but a scan showed no leaks and blood tests showed his urea was down to about 14 and the creatine was into the 200s. Gareth said its probably cos of being on a drip but it shows his kidney did not get damaged  ;D

I am sure Franta is very tired if he cant sleep longer than 15 mins at a time but lets hope this improves.

Off to see him now  ;D
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Jiji on May 06, 2011, 11:52:04 AM
The news sounds very promising, lets hope is soon back home  ;D :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 06, 2011, 12:05:02 PM
Gill, it's all sounding quite positive. Hoping that Franta will be home with you soon  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: CatGirl on May 06, 2011, 12:11:57 PM
I'be been reading all the posts,i too wish you and Franta all the very best,hope he's home soon-hasn't Ducha got his own pillow? lol :Luv: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 06, 2011, 16:05:19 PM
Stayed a long time with Franar and dawdled home.

He really doesnt seem that good and is as Gareth said he was this morning. He is using the tray every few minutes and therefore he is not getting any sleep. Gareth said that it should stop about 7-8 days after the op.

He was trying to snooze but sadly a vet nurse popped in to see if he was OK and then gave hime a head rub, so then he had to start all over again.

I saw his third eyelid about half way across and tole the vet nurse before I left.

I dont know if he is feeling ill, he is tired or depressed about still being there. one or all 3.

Gareth is going to take his drip out to see how he goes and how his bloods are but Gareth is not on tomorrow, which is the day he needs to be well enough to come home.

Will ring Gareth tonight before he leaves.

Cat Girl, Ducha thinks which ever pillow I am lying on is his. I tried giving him a pillow of his own but he still wanted to sleep on my pillow.

I know if I am woken up by happy loud purrs, he has got me off the pillow and is lying right across it!
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Dawn F on May 06, 2011, 16:11:02 PM
I'm sure he is feeling rough Gill, we all would, but hopefully if he is well enough to come home tomorrow that means he is on the right track
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: JackSpratt on May 06, 2011, 18:47:46 PM
Bless him. It's stressful being in hospital for anyone but for an animal, it must be so confusing. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 06, 2011, 19:22:28 PM
Yes I agree Js but thats why I am visiting him everyday cos it helps cats.

I have just spoken to Gareth and Franta will now be staying in all weekend as he is having injections of painkillers and abs every few hours and Its better for him to stay rather than have to travel back and fro.

I hope that he will not get too upset about this but Gareth and I feel its best for him.

Gareth said that Franta is pottering about in his cage and the drip is out and he thinks his tray trips are now about once an hour.

I actually feel relieved that he will still be looked after over the weekend and I will visit about half eleven tomorrow and Gareth will be there.

I so hope I see an improvement tomorrow and a happier Franta
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Post by: cazzer on May 06, 2011, 19:25:04 PM
I'm sure he appreciates your visits Gill.      Topping up the vibes for you both  :hug: x
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: JackSpratt on May 06, 2011, 20:49:18 PM
Oh trust me Gill, I know you'll be doing everything you can to make it less stressful for your boy. :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 06, 2011, 21:09:39 PM
It sounds like Franta is picking up now and sure it will be best for him to say until Monday. His bladder will be a bit bruised .

It will be so good to have him home again :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 06, 2011, 21:13:55 PM
Aw bless him - it sounds like he's  doing fine - it will take him a while to get over the operation and for his bladder to feel normal.  Fingers crossed you see some improvement tomorrow  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 06, 2011, 22:11:03 PM
Thank you and do hope he will be a bit brighter tomorrow
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 06, 2011, 22:14:56 PM
Hope you can get some sleep Gill :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 06, 2011, 22:27:25 PM
Thanks Alison......didnt do well last night and got up at 0400 to watch results till 0600, then was flat out till 10........Ducha woke me.  My skin is driving me crazy which is the stress I think.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 06, 2011, 22:43:01 PM
Am sure it will be stress  :hug:

Have you tried E45 bath stuff. I get dry itchy skin and it really helps
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 06, 2011, 22:44:59 PM
Sounds more positive Gill  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Janeyk on May 06, 2011, 22:45:00 PM
So glad the op went well, hopefully Franta will be well enough to go home with you soon Gill  :hug: :hug: 
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 06, 2011, 22:50:41 PM
Am sure it will be stress  :hug:

Have you tried E45 bath stuff. I get dry itchy skin and it really helps

Afraid it doesnt help, nothing bloomin helps..........sigh.......I have psorisis
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 07, 2011, 00:47:48 AM
I know two people with that and they get flare up with stress :hug:

Can see why you like the sun now as it helps them
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: clarenmax on May 07, 2011, 13:49:41 PM
Although I know you want your boy home, I think its probably for the best that he stays in, he can be monitored and its takes the stress off you for another few days  :hug: :hug:

Hope you have a lovely visit today x
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Dawn F on May 07, 2011, 13:51:23 PM
that is stress related Gill, my mum is a sufferer, I know she gets something from the doctor which helps a bit, might be worth asking if you don't pay for prescriptions
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: bunglycat on May 07, 2011, 17:49:41 PM
Have you been to see Franta today Gill,how is he doing?
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 07, 2011, 17:53:06 PM
Hope Franta is getting on alright today Gill :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 07, 2011, 18:10:17 PM
Spent a long time with Franta today but missed Gareth grrrrrrrrrr.

I was shocked how bad Franta was, much worse than yesterday and he was brought out of his cage by a vet nurse and she had a look at him and asked for the vet Katie to come and look at him.

Before that happened David another vet wanted him moved into a consulting room, so he did that and then Katie came. She was really nice and helpful and explained that he had vetagesic jab this morning and sometimes that made cats very sleepy. His eye was bad and she said that its probably as a result of the anesthetic cos they put something in the eyes while they are under, especially for those who had long ops like Franta.

He is not using the tray as much and only went twice in 2 hrs plus although he was leaking before that.

He was lying on his side for a long time and the vet nurse cleaned his eye and he really was looking so ill.

He had kidney levels tested again this morning and his levels have not gone up despite him being off the drip but he does feel a bit dehydrated and he wont eat or drink. He was also scanned to make sure he has no internal leaks.

Katie said she would make sure that fluid was syringed into him if he womt eat or drink cos they really dont want to put him back on a drip but will if necessary.

By the time I left he was still lying down most of the time but enjoyed looking out of the window of the consulting room and the vet nurse very kindly made me a coffee and she said when I popped back to the car, he was looking around for me and crying. We had some chill time where he was dozing off and also me!

Katie things he is still hurting and the vetagesic is very necessary and it needs to be injected, he is tired and this is part the meds and he is on abs jabs too, and he is depressed cos he wants to go home, is bored and fed up being in a cage.

His behavioiur althoiugh still not FRanta was much better once out of the room with cages................its a big room but no access to windows for Franta and its part cages and part treatment with a clear door to an operating theatre, its very nice and has loads of kit attached to walls with consulting tables.

I suspect Franta is pretty well sick of the sight of it now.

The vet nurse who hadnt met Franta didnt know that when well Franta is not a lie on your side cat, but very much loud, in your face and trash his cage type of cat, so that helped her and she will be there with Katie all weekend.

The decision to keep him there was confirmed by Katie that its the right one cos of the vetagesic and abs jabs, the former needs to be injected into a vein or muscle and thats beyond my skill.

I will be seeing them all again tomorrow and then have an appointment to see Gareth on Monday and if the course of abs is finished and also the need for vetagesic, I suspect he will be coming home on at least a trial basis.

I think he will be better at home now and he can sleep where ever he wants but also cuddle and be with me, which I think may help him as long as his litter tray problem is sorted.

It will be nearly 5 days from the op so over half way through the healing process.

I would like to see him sitting up and wanting to be stroked tomorrow and also his op site and back legs all dry because that would be sign of him really improving.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: lau200 on May 07, 2011, 18:28:45 PM
being in the hospital is the best place for him to be, just incase. he's been through alot so i wouldn't worry if he still seems out of sorts, his body will still need alot of time to recover. atleast they do not think he needs a drip which is positive in itself. still thinking of you both x
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: cazzer on May 07, 2011, 18:32:56 PM
topping up the vibes for you both.     Hope he is home soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Tan on May 07, 2011, 18:47:34 PM
Me too topping up healing vibes and sending lots of love over  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 07, 2011, 18:52:06 PM
Sending lots of these  :hug: :hug: :hug: and lots of healing vibes for Franta.
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 07, 2011, 19:01:38 PM
Sending lots of love to Franta :hug:

Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on May 07, 2011, 19:42:55 PM
Hi Gill, just caught up with this, so sorry to hear that Franta has been really poorly and had an op. Sending you lots of get well wishes for Franta and ((Hugs)) for you

Zoe
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 07, 2011, 22:23:34 PM
Thank you everyone
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation likely tomorrow from 12
Post by: CuteCats on May 07, 2011, 23:47:05 PM
Sending lots of good vibes and hugs.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is back in hospital and has stones in his bladder.......operation lik
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on May 08, 2011, 13:55:51 PM
Topping up the vibes and get well wishes for our darling boy, hoping he continues his positive progress xxx
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 15:23:14 PM
Have just spent about 2 1/2 hrs with Franta and he is really down. Both his eyes are bad and they are putting drops in them, he wont eat or drink and he is crying.

Everytime I stopped stroking him he started crying again.

He is still on abs, and vetagesic jabs twice a day, so am going to pick him up betweeen 1800-2000 and they will give him vetagesic before he leave and then he will go back to see Gareth tomorrow.

The main aim is to get him eating because he had 3 dishes of different foods infrant of him but he wont touch any.

I know they are taking such good care of him but he has been there a week and a day this time and he so obviously very unhappy he is just turning in on himself.

I know 3 yrs ago when he had a dental and then all the other stuff was found, he was refusing to eat and ended up trashing his cage and just howling and could hear him as I walked through the door. I got him to start eating again but I think it took about a week.

This time of course he is much weaker and also still sore from the operation but he must eat and he is in a deep sulk, will not react to anything.
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: CuteCats on May 08, 2011, 15:47:09 PM
Poor Franta.  Sounds like he's really sick of being at the vets.  Should cheer him up coming home hopefully.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: bunglycat on May 08, 2011, 16:01:28 PM
Poor Franta :( :( :(, is there a liquid type food you could get for him and syringe feed him for a bit just to get some food into him?
I am sure he will be happier when he is back home with you  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: CuteCats on May 08, 2011, 16:06:48 PM
Good idea bunglycat!  Most vets stock something like that.  Could be he'll eat better at home though.
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: cazzer on May 08, 2011, 16:35:48 PM
poor little man.      Hope he thrives at home with his mum and brother  :hug: x
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: JackSpratt on May 08, 2011, 16:38:26 PM
Oh Gill. It's so difficult to know what to do for the best in situations like this. :care: Hope Franta perks up when he gets home.
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 08, 2011, 16:38:57 PM
Bless him  :Luv2: I'm sure he'll perk up once he's home  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: Jiji on May 08, 2011, 17:00:28 PM
Poor Franta and it must be heartbreaking for you. I hope he picks up when he gets home  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: Guest on May 08, 2011, 17:20:48 PM
Give him a big kiss from me xx
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 08, 2011, 17:32:19 PM
Hope Franta picks up a bit when you bring home Gill  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: bunglycat on May 08, 2011, 17:34:00 PM
Have you any Optrex for his eyes -that will help them , diluted in small amount of cool boiled water - should be able to get that from most places .
I use it on Pandoras eyes most days .
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 17:57:25 PM
I am just having a snack and then will be back to vets to get him.

Thanks bungly, he is on Futh....... eye drops now but will question Gareth about his eyes tomorrow cos I had pointed out they werent good a few days ago and its Katie that has taken notice but only yesterday.

They have tried syringing food into him but I think they learnt thats not a runner with him because he gets so upset and is such a sensitive soul that this type of thing really gets to him.

I am so hoping that he will perk up when he is home and am taking some felix with me to see if he will have a little jelly nosh but will have to be careful how much food he has, if he will eat, little and often.

Its all very worrying because he should have been much better by now.
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: bunglycat on May 08, 2011, 18:01:15 PM
When Smartie is having one of his "sicky " days , he will lick food from my fingers and that encourages him to eat a bit more .
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 08, 2011, 18:08:06 PM
I'm sure he'll perk up once he's home.  He's obviously missing you and will be more relaxed in familiar soundings.
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: tab on May 08, 2011, 18:17:01 PM
I hope hes home and feeling more relaxed very soon
love
Tab
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on May 08, 2011, 18:43:15 PM
Hope his home comforts will help speed up his recovery  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta is so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home later
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on May 08, 2011, 19:31:17 PM
Bless him he must be so miserable not being at home. Hopefully he will start to pick up once he is back with you and his bruv. It's so hard when they are sensitive souls, I'm sure Hobbes would be the same as he gets upset very easily so I sympathise tremendously,with you.Give him a big gentle kiss from me xxxx
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 20:11:45 PM
Franta is home but not good and am not sure how well he can see.

I have tried 4 foods but he doesnt want them and have been given something to mix with water to syringe into him every hour if he doesnt drink.

He came into the front room in the carrier and got out and then cried and cried. I have put a litter tray in here for him but after a while he left and went up stairs but didnt make it to the top before he had an accident. Pretty sure he was going up there for his litter tray, still in same place but he jsut didnt make it.

He is currently lying on my bed which is covered in puppy pads and is being watched by Sasa.

I am leaving him alone at the moment to see if he will sleep but the real worry is dehydration and lack of food.

My poor poor boy  :(
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Janeyk on May 08, 2011, 20:25:52 PM
 :( Poor love, maybe it's all been a bit much for him and he's bewildered by it all.  It's not long since his op so hopefully now in his home surroundings he'll start to settle.  Sending some gentle cuddles over  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: JenGeorgieBob on May 08, 2011, 20:27:56 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Maybe he just needs a breather after all the stress, I think he will surprise you once he realises he is at home where he is much loved with his family
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
keep fighting little man
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 08, 2011, 20:28:38 PM
Gill, just thi munite got back from Bath and checking on our lil Man.  Poor soul.  He must be really fed up, and I can't say I blame him.  Am sending soothing vibes for his poorly eyes, and healing vibes for his poorly bladder.  And hugs for you, cos I think you need them.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 20:39:42 PM
Just found the duvet on the sofa wet, so he must have an accident before he went upstairs..........poor lil man.

I do hope you are right and once he settles in his own house he will pick up..........problem is he needs to go back to the vets tomorrow morning.

Just gonna pop up and see him................Misa has been in here and eaten Frantas food grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 08, 2011, 20:52:01 PM
Gill am sure Franta will be able to get a good rest at ho,e and that will help no end.

Hope Franta eats something this evening :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Jiji on May 08, 2011, 20:54:36 PM
I hope Franta will be happier now he is home, but as you point out he will probably find the vet visit unsettling  :hug:  I hope he will eat something as I know how distressing it is and, if you are like me, how desperate and anxious you get when they ignore the food  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 20:58:11 PM
Can anyone tell me how to syringe liquid into a cat please..............I took his water bowl to him and he almost sat up but wouldnt drink
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: mervyn7451 on May 08, 2011, 21:01:24 PM
Thinking healing vibes for Franta Gill!
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 08, 2011, 21:02:43 PM
Gill I wonder if it would be like a child. Put it  into his mouth and squirt gently.

Wishing you all the best :hug:

Am sure someone on here will have some better experience
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: snarf on May 08, 2011, 21:03:46 PM
Poor Franta  :hug: Hope he starts recovering now hes at home  :hug:

syringing water- i think a few drips at a time would be best, easier to swallow and less chance of discomfort. if hes lying on his side you can drip onto the lip/side of mouth and the instinct is to lick- used to work with a hamster i had.
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 21:04:53 PM
Thanks snarf will try that later
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: bunglycat on May 08, 2011, 21:41:37 PM
Gill, have you any Lectade or Aviproplus ?
I use that if one of mine has been sick and won''t eat ,i do it how Snarf said , just gently put the syringe in the side of the mouth and let the liquid trickle and he will drink it -i was told by the vet when Smartie was really ill one night to do it every 2 hours about 2ml.

Poor Franta,  :( :( i am sure once he has settled and you have got some liquid in him and i would do the same with the liquid food too -he will start to feel better .
As long as he knows you are with him ,it will help him too .
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: souffle on May 08, 2011, 21:47:36 PM
Oh Gill my heart goes out to you both.
If it is anything like may other small animals I find it best to gently swaddle in a towel so onlt the head sticks out then put the syringe in the side of the mouth and ease a little in at a time while supporting the head up to get them to swallow.
With hamsters the addition of a little honey plus a pinch of salt can help provide energy and balance the fluids in the body but I'm not sure about cats.
I am so hoping he starts to pick up soon. Have a little talk and ask him what he wants to do. I think he will tell you xxx
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 22:02:57 PM
Yes its lectade I have been given for him and cant put him a towel cos he freeaks but will try like snarf said.

I have beem told to try and get 10mls into him every hour..................he has not eaten or drunk for a long time.

I can see me being up all night and am already shattered
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on May 08, 2011, 22:06:08 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: Big hugs to you both.  Will be thinking of you Gill xxxx
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 08, 2011, 22:06:22 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: clarenmax on May 08, 2011, 22:25:15 PM
Sending tons of vibes your way hun, and hope you manage to syringe some fluids OK  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 22:29:01 PM
I am waiting for the vet to ring cos dont know how to store this once made! My house is too hot for it.

Franta is just lying on his side at top of stairs and am still sure he cant really see.

He hasnt been to the tray in last couple of hours either and cant find anywhere he has had accident.

He just lies with his eyes open all the time and I am starting to panic
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: bunglycat on May 08, 2011, 22:35:51 PM
I stored mine in a jug at the bottom of fridge with plate on top to keep it covered .
Have you tried a bit of optrex to wipe his eyes with ?

Wish i lived nearer i could have sat up with him for you -i dont go to bed till really late .
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 22:39:05 PM
His eyes not looking too bad at moment but its just they dont follow my fingers at all, he is just staring. The vet said he had a bit of movement but I didnt see any!

No where to get optrix on a sunday night and even if there was I dont want to leave him at the moment.

I just wish they would ring, cant see me getting 10 ml into him at all, let alone every hour
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Tan on May 08, 2011, 22:59:13 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: just topping up all my love and healing thoughts for darlin Franta hun.  Sending loads of hugs for you all  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 23:03:56 PM
He has just drank a mini bit of water but cant get him to touch food but he is now downstairs in front room.

Still waiting for vet to ring.

Bloomin Misa is going around hoovering up Frantas dishes but he was nice and gave Franta a head lick................more than Ducha would do.
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on May 08, 2011, 23:05:51 PM
If he's not been eating properly he probably feels a bit sick from hunger, maybe you could try and tempt him with something smelly to start him off  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 08, 2011, 23:11:22 PM
I have Helen and he not interested in anything, I also think his mouth likely to be very dry........they kept telling me he was eating at the vets but he hasnt really been eating at all, maybe a lick of something and that was it!

According to the lectade, he shouldnt be eating or drinking but the amount of water he had was minimal but still cant get it made up until vet rings.

He is not lying on his side anymore, but think I will be soon!

I need food too
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: bunglycat on May 09, 2011, 00:13:39 AM
What's the problem with the Lectade?
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 09, 2011, 00:48:44 AM
Gill hope Franta eats soon :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 09, 2011, 06:53:52 AM
Have had two short sleeps one downstairs on sofa and the other on bed.

Franta is now drinking but still not eaten and he has lost so much weight over the week that he is now smaller than Ducha.

He has just gone back upstairs so gonna try going to bed again!

I am hoping that its good that he is going up and down stairs and on bed occasionally but he needs to sleep..................like me!
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 09, 2011, 07:24:43 AM
Gill, sending hugs for you and Franta.  Sounds like a rough night for you both.  Am hoping today is a getting better one for you.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: Angiew on May 09, 2011, 09:53:08 AM
10ml is not a great deal, so just perservere and give him as much as you can. If you go back to the vet ask about them showing you how to inject liquid under the skin in his scruff - you will need a bag of hartmans to do this. I haven't done this but its the next best thing to using a drip if you cannot get him to take water by spoon or syringe.

The Lectade can also be frozen. I still have some in the fridge from a few months ago that I made up and put in one of those freezer cube bags. When i need it I just pop a block out and put the little bowl containing the block over a bigger bowl with boiling water in to defrost and warm up a bit.

I don't envy you, its hard work going without proper sleep, I know poor old Squirt (RIP) used all my reserves having to nurse him which is why I resorted to the vets looking after him during the day so i could sleep them me caring for him over night.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Franta so depressed in hospital I am going to bring him home-he is home but think he needs a mir
Post by: lau200 on May 09, 2011, 09:59:56 AM
oh Gill i am so sorry to hear you are both having a tough time. i was hoping he was going home because he was better, but i'm sure once he settles back in, he will improve dramactically. thinking of you both x
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 09, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
Thank you Angie that info so good, Gareth has confirmed it can go in fridge..................I think they were so busy last night that they couldnt think straight , had a seriously ill dog to operate on, abcess in his heart.

Just hope it hasnt cost Franta his life  :'(

Afraid Franta has just gone back to the vets cos he hasnt eaten although he was drinking, He is severely dehydrated and worse than when he was admitted over a week ago Gareth says.

Gareth said he has lot so much weight and its like he has given up but not really! He put up quite a fight to stop going in the carrier and I told Gareth he has only gone back to lying on his side while in the carrier. He is going back on a drip and will get vitamin jab, painkiller, steroid now to try and stimulate his appetite, eye drops and the idea is for him to come home again tonight although Gareth offered for him to stay overnight.........dont know if thats what Gareth really wanted but when I see him tonight it can always be changed.

I am so very very tired and so sad and Gareth is too cos he says that the op went well, his bladder is good and up to yesterday his kidney levels were good but something in his little head is stopping him from eating and he needs to eat to get well and that is all!

He has some spark and keeps going up and down stairs and slept on my bed for a while and I dosed off too with my arm round him and he shouts if I dont stay in the same room as him. He also shouts when using the tray, before or after, so the real problem is him not eating.

Right now Angie it looks like I am doing what you did with Squirt to give me some space because am totally exhausted.

Please eat Franta  cos I love you so much :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 09, 2011, 12:58:23 PM


Oh Gill, I really feel for you both.   :(  Poor Franta.  It certainly does sound like he still has a spark of the old Franta in there somewhere.  Am sending tons of eating vibes, and Franta Get Better vibes.  I hope there's a marked improvement tonight when you go back.    :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Dawn F on May 09, 2011, 13:03:32 PM
hope they can kick start his appetite, sounds like he still has fight in him
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: bunglycat on May 09, 2011, 13:05:31 PM
Really hope they can get him eating somehow , will send miracle vibes all the time for him  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 09, 2011, 13:31:14 PM
I'm so sorry Franta has had to go back to the vets, Gill  :hug:  It must be such a worry that he won't eat or drink.  If only he'd do that he'd do so much better at home.  Even though the vets is often the best place, some cats just hate it so much it stresses them out a lot.  Jaffa is like that.  Fingers crossed the steroid will help to stimulate his appetite and get him eating again.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Janeyk on May 09, 2011, 13:31:53 PM
 :( Poor lad, keeping everything crossed that Franta will gradually improve, sending tons of get well vibes for him  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: lau200 on May 09, 2011, 13:32:18 PM
*hugs*  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Kirst on May 09, 2011, 13:36:44 PM
So sorry Gill - came on  Franya , you need to eat so you can get better  :(
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 09, 2011, 15:02:13 PM
So sorry Gill - came on  Franya , you need to eat so you can get better  :(

Thats exactly what Gareth said to him
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: jezebel on May 09, 2011, 15:04:10 PM
Sending lots of miracle vibes to Franta.  :hug:

And some for you as well - and don't forget you need to eat properly too!
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 09, 2011, 15:10:45 PM
Oh Gill, just hoping the treatment at the vets will spark his appetite into life and get him stronger  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Lindsey (thefunkyinuit) on May 09, 2011, 15:13:57 PM
Sending miracle vibes and hugs for you  :hug: fingers crossed he will pick up and be back to his old self soon xxx
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: CuteCats on May 09, 2011, 17:01:52 PM
Sending more of my best vibes and hugs.  :hug: :hug:

Please keep trying Franta, and then you can go home again. xx
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 09, 2011, 17:08:04 PM
Gill just got in and sorry to hear about Franta.

Hope the meds will really help and Franta will start eating and drinking again :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: cazzer on May 09, 2011, 17:43:55 PM
c'mon Franta keep on fighting boy and start getting better for your mum.       Gill sending lots of  :hug: :hug:.         I think a few miracles are needed at moment.........
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Jiskefet on May 09, 2011, 17:55:49 PM
Come on Franta, please eat something......
You got to get your strength back....
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Jiji on May 09, 2011, 17:56:27 PM
Sending positive thoughts for Franta  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: sheryl on May 09, 2011, 18:41:52 PM
So sorry Hun  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:

Sending heaps of love and positive vibes for Franta - Come on sweetie, you need to eat and get stronger for your Mummy xxx
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 09, 2011, 18:44:51 PM



Gill, hoping Franta has picked up a bit.  Have you brought him home or have you decided to leave him in the vet's care for now?  :hug: :hug:  Sending more hugs for you both
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 09, 2011, 19:31:18 PM
We have just arrived back and he was shouting loudly at Gareth, proper shouts not weak crying meows  ;D

Gareth has given him a good talking to and told him if he doesnt eat he will have to come back, so its up to him.
.
He has not eaten all day but has had 200ml of fluid pumped into him alomg with all sorts within it. He has also had all kinds of jabs that should last for a week, including appetite stimulents.

He is crouching on the carpet near his water and his food...............yes Franta FOOD for eating!..........and he has used his litter tray.

I have got some optrix to clean his eye and he needs another drop in each of them today.

He is also sporting a pale blue bandage which he isnt touching! Just give him time.

If he will eat and drink there will be nothing wrong with hime that time wont mend and its all down to the dreaded food and water.

Thank you all wonderful people for your miricle vibes and he is back in his tray stamping about and shoutin! Now he is doing his claws on the scratchin post............they were cut so not the needlepoints that they were.

I have decided to just leave his food for him to hopefylly try by himself rather than try and force it at the moment.

So all I can do really now is hope that he eats.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 09, 2011, 20:13:14 PM
Sending lots and lots of get well vibes for Franta and lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: for you Gill.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Jiji on May 09, 2011, 20:24:12 PM
Come on Franta be a good lad and tuck in to your food.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: lau200 on May 09, 2011, 20:29:26 PM
come on Franta, you can do it!!!
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on May 09, 2011, 20:48:07 PM
Sending as many miracle vibes as I possibly can for you both. Now listen here Franta you start eating so you can get well again, your mummy is very worried about you and she loves you very much. You don't want to have to stay at the vets again now do you? Sending all my love to you both Gill xxx
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 09, 2011, 20:57:20 PM
Sending lots "please start eating " vibes  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 09, 2011, 21:16:12 PM
Come on Franta you can do it :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 09, 2011, 21:24:53 PM
Sending loads of vibes your way.  How frustrating that the only thing between him and a good recovery is something as simple as food and water.  At times like this it would be so handy if they were human for a moment and you could just sit them down and explain why they need to eat.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: clarenmax on May 09, 2011, 21:50:59 PM
come on little man, eat lots of nommy food now please  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: ChrisB on May 09, 2011, 22:27:15 PM
Sending lots of 'I am hungry so I'll eat' vibes to Franta and  :hug: to you Gill.   Make sure you take care of yourself too.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 09, 2011, 22:35:39 PM
Have you tried smearing  a little wet tasty smelly food on his lips Gill? That kick starts Fred sometimes when he goes off his food .... 
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 09, 2011, 23:11:13 PM
Yes Rosella and he wont even lick them and it dries hard.

Last night he only started drinking when it was too late and now he still hasnt eaten all day again and as far as I know not drunk either.

Why is it that the appetite stimulents just dont work with him, why is he deliberately hurting himself...............he is doing my head in and all I want to do is help him.

I guess because he is using the tray all the fluid they have pumped into him today, is gradually just coming out again and not being replaced.

I am in despair with him.

Franta Naploeon pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eat something.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Philip on May 09, 2011, 23:13:04 PM
Oh Gill. I do so hope Franta eats soon.  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: maryas on May 09, 2011, 23:42:23 PM
C'mon Franta you know you can do it - push yourself that little bit harde you beautiful little man.

Mary and Bonnie xx

 :ahh:    :feed:    :fish:    :yawn:   
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 09, 2011, 23:46:46 PM
Would Franta show some interest in something fishy - like prawns, coley or pilchards or treats or dry food - just to get him started. - Did the vet say how long it takes for the stimulant to kick it.

Come on Franta darling boy - just a little bit of food and then a little bit more........ :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 09, 2011, 23:54:57 PM
Something fishy sounds good-  maybe he would drink the liquid from a tin of tuna?  :hug:

What about ham? I know its not ideal, but if it would just get him started.  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 09, 2011, 23:57:09 PM
He wont eat any real food normally and wont touch anything with lumps in, all his cat food is fishy and also biscuits but he wont touch anything.

He sometimes eats a turkey pate and he almost ate some but back away shouting at the last minute.......sigh

He is back lying on his side, what I dont know is how quick he will dehydrate again. They dripped 200ml into him today in 7 hours and Gareth said that was a lot of liquid for a small cat.

I didnt think of asking how long the stimulant takes to act.......sorta assumed it worked quick...........sigh

Gareth isnt in tomorrow but asked me to ring him on Wednesday to tell him how things are going.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: bunglycat on May 10, 2011, 00:32:00 AM
Gill , have sent you a pm.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2011, 01:00:48 AM
He wont eat ham and I dont have tuna or anything cos my cats just wont eat it and I dont either.

He has now passed a bit of diahrea and now remember he had this a week ago at vets and they bloomin starved him and after that he has refused to eat althoiugh he licked a couple of things .

He is physically moving away from any food but am going to try some lectade now.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: bunglycat on May 10, 2011, 01:09:23 AM
Hi Gill,
with the lectade , once you have mixed it , it will keep fine at lowest shelf of fridge -i did that and it was ok .
Try it at the side of his mouth , if need be you will have to open it for him and put it down him if you can .
I know its hard as i had the same problems with Bungly at the end , she just refused food and i put it in her mouth and she wouldn't swallow it , and it just dropped out .

How about mince ? raw? turkey mince is what Bungly ate a little of a few times.
How about a frozen ice cube for him to lick ? Try anything you have , -i cant think of anything else at the moment.
I am at the end of the phone if you need to talk -dont go to bed till late (2am ish ) (Have noted number and taken it out for you. ) Hope he picks up soon .
                                                       Gill x  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2011, 01:51:38 AM
Well he has sealed his mouth and dont know if he got more than a drop of lectade, he just let it dribble out.

I just dont undeestand him cos he was drinking last night but inspite of that he was massively dehydrated this morning.

Another sleepless night!
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 10, 2011, 07:02:11 AM


Gill, just checking in to see how things have been overnight?   :hug: :hug:

Now Franta, you knoes wot Paddy wudda sed?  "Yer gots ter eet sum nosh evun iffit iddnt much.  Or haves yerself sum cat milk.  Dog fud?  Tess sumtiemes give'd me her fud - well, I stoled it mainly.  Wunt so gud but did fill der lil hole, yer knoes?"
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2011, 08:16:03 AM
Oh Sue, Je just wont eat at all, absolutely nothing. He is souround by dishes of different foods including pilchards in tomato sauce which I found at the back of the cupboard.

I thought it was good cos he started drinking during the night and was going to the water fairly often and seemed to be having a big drink but when I saw the water level this morning he has had very little.

He is using his tray so liquid is coming out in bigger quantities than its going in.

I cant open his mouth at all, its like its blooming glued together and yesterday when Gareth managed to look at his gums, he send they were all tacky cos he was so dehydrated.

I just dont know what to to do with him now cos he has loads of fight but against all ther things that will help him.

Its like he has a food phobia.

Gareth is not in today so cant talk to him..

Franta just crouches and watches and has slept on my bed for some of last night and has even been to the water bowl and come back up on the bed loads

He isnt hetting much sleep as I can testify and a cat of his age should be sleeping loads.

I dont know what else I can do.

I assume if he continues like this his body will start to close down?
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 10, 2011, 08:21:44 AM
Poor franta :(  What happens if you try to smear some food on his gums?  Would that help stimulate him to lick it off?
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 10, 2011, 08:31:40 AM
Gill,  is there anything that you can detect in Franta's behaviour that appears to give him any ease at the moment?  I think the fact he's drinking, albeit a little, is a positive sign.   He may have started to clamp his mouth shut in anticipation of being fed or given medication (cos he's a stubborn little soldja).   If he doesn't feel like it at the moment then his jaw lenching could as you say be almost a food phobia.

Could you perhaps try just dampening his gums from time to time and seeing if he relaxes a little?  He's obviously feeling better about being home, because he was shouting for you, and he settled ont he bed.  Even if he's not actively sleeping as such, having some quiet time may be good for him just now.

Sometimes with Paddy, I would leave him in his cosy little corner, because it was dark, warm and comfortable for him, and other than to check on him visually I would leave him be for a while.  You could perhaps try and see if he settles any, just keeping an eye on him to make sure he doesn't collapse in the meantime. 

I recall reading once in a book (I think it was a James Herriott book in fact but not altogether sure , as it may have been Buster Lloyd Jones, another good vet of that era) how he was once called upon to euthanise a sheep which had been injured.  Instead, he gave it slightly less than was needed, and it went into a deep sleep.  After almmost 24 hours, as he was beginning to think it wasn't going to make any difference, the sheep woke up and began to take an interest.  He worked on the assumption that sometimes animals (and people) need a period of complete rest in order to heal and that sedation can sometimes be a useful tool in that regard.  Franta's had cage rest etc, but it's not been in his usual familiar surroundings, and I wonder if he needs a day or two to "reset" himself? 

I say all of this, but I know nontheless how anxiety-inducing it is for you, feeling helpless when you would give your own right arm in an instant to make everything right again.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Dawn F on May 10, 2011, 08:35:26 AM
all that Sue has said makes perfect sense, he is probably completely exhausted and just needs a bit of time in familiar surroundings to rest, I know its hard for you and the temptation is to be watching him constantly  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2011, 08:47:53 AM
The problem we have as far as I know is that his liver is under real threat cos if a cat doesnt eat for a few days then the liver deterioates quickly and there is no way back from that.

He has not eaten for many days now and nobody at the vets has mentioned this yet. I mentioned to Gareth yesterday that when he was last not eating after a dental they gave him valium which makes them eat but he would gobble the food but it didnt solve the problem, only coming hom did.

I agree with Sue that he is probably happeir at home but he was so dehydrated yesterday there was no choice but for him to go back on a drip and for that he has to be at the dreaded vets.

Last night I did what Sue said and left him alone to do his own thing and he has now turned over on his side amongst all the dishes but I bet his eyes are still open.

I suppose I need to ring the vet, they open in 15mins but I am so tired I really shouldnt be driving.

His poor little fron legs are in a real state and his veins are collapsing from the drip and I have left the bandage on his leg cos I reckon thats where the drip was yesterday.

Franta right now is killing himself and I just dont know what to do and seems the vets dont either.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Dawn F on May 10, 2011, 08:49:26 AM
 :hug: to you Gill
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2011, 08:57:06 AM
Have just rung the vets and waiting for Geraint to arrive and ring me.

Franta is asleep as far as I can tell but with one eye open.

I dont know if the drip yesterday and all the time he has been at the vets will help save his liver.

Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2011, 09:55:26 AM
Just had a long talk with Geraint and Franta is going to be hospitalized again.

He feels that with the kidney problem he needs to be either syringe fed or fed through a tube into his stomach because he thi nks that if he doesnt eat within a couple of hours things will be very serious for his organs.

Poor Franta and just dont know if this is right but Geraint siad that once they stop eating for as long as Franta its very hard to get them to start again as they are technically anorexic and the only thing stopping him from being well is lack of food and sufficient liquid. I a, hating myself right now.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Dawn F on May 10, 2011, 10:15:45 AM
sounds like you don't have a choice Gill - he will be in good hands
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: lau200 on May 10, 2011, 10:21:36 AM
please don't blame yourself Gill, he needs to go for his own good. you couldn't have done things any differently, if he wont eat, nothing you can do will change that. once they syringe feed him or feed him by a tube, he will hopefully get used to eating again and start eating on his own. he is in the best place with the best care from the vets. thinking of you x
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Jiji on May 10, 2011, 10:36:18 AM
Oh Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug: as Dawn said I don't think you have any option.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 10, 2011, 10:39:48 AM
 :hug:  Hopefully the vets will be able to avert organ problems due to not eating.  C'mon on Franta - you need to get some food into you!  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 10, 2011, 10:44:45 AM
Gill - does Franta like yeast flavoured things?  I wonder whether sprinkling some of this on food might make it more appetising for him?

http://www.pet-supermarket.co.uk/products-Purina-Veterinary-Diet-Fortiflora-Probiotics_HB5770.htm

I have used that as a probiotic before but it contains yeast and has a yeasty smell.  I remember reading on a cat nutrition site that one vet said she sprinkled some of it on wet food to help dry food addicts eat wet food (apparently it is very similar to the digest that biscuits are coated in) or to help stimulate the appetite.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 10, 2011, 10:49:57 AM
Gill, am sorry to hear this.   :hug: :hug:  It's so hard to stand by not knowing what to do.  At least Geraint will be able to shoulder some of the burden with you.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Kirst on May 10, 2011, 12:16:39 PM
So sorry Gill - I remember the frustration when Oscar refused to eat. In the end the only thing that tempted him was the food we feed our carp - weird I know but if you look its made up of dried fish , so i guess it tasted ok to him , and like you I was so desperate I would have tried anything! :(

Hopefully once he has been on the drip for a little he will be tempted to eat again. These Birmans are so damn stubborn! :tired:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: clarenmax on May 10, 2011, 12:18:33 PM
Much as you don't want him hospitalized again, it might be the best for Franta, if they can get some food into him somehow then that's the most important thing  :hug:

So hard to make them eat, I remember having the same problem with Maxy on the days when he was feeling off due to his kidney issues, you try and tempt them with everything and they just won't take it  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: snarf on May 10, 2011, 12:20:08 PM
Gill  :hug: Franta is lucky to have someone who cares as much about him as you do. Vibes and furry headbutts for Franta and you
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on May 10, 2011, 12:31:53 PM
Sending miracle vibes as requested and lots of these for both of you.  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:  I do hope Franta is feeling better today and has stareds to eat and drink.

Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 10, 2011, 12:43:31 PM
I hope the feeding tube can get him over this   :hug: I know how heartbreaking it is when they won't eat  :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 10, 2011, 13:35:09 PM
Don't know what to say Gill  :(  Just so extremely sorry to hear that Franta isn't able to eat for himself and wishing for miracles to get him back on track. 

The vet is certainly right that it is very difficult to kick start a cat back into eating when he hasn't been eating for a while so I don't think you have a choice in the matter  :hug: :hug: :hug:  He must have nourishment ....
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 10, 2011, 14:51:04 PM
So sorry that Franta had not eaten - he has been through so much so it is a bit understandable but you are right it cannot go on any longer - he needs assistance. So Gill - believe you have done the right thing he is in the best place at the vets to get the feeding/nourishment going.

Lots of these for you cos know how worried and tired you must be  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 10, 2011, 18:53:15 PM
Thinking about You and Franta. Hope he has started eating :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: cazzer on May 10, 2011, 19:01:24 PM
Oh Gill hoping that your brave little man starts eating soon  :hug:  :hug: x
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: bunglycat on May 10, 2011, 20:40:03 PM
Hoping no news is good news, been checking  on here all day.
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 10, 2011, 21:18:48 PM
Hoping no news is good news, been checking  on here all day.

Same here  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Franta back at vets again..........................miricle vibes please
Post by: Jiji on May 10, 2011, 21:44:20 PM
and here  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2011, 22:11:44 PM
I have just got back home and cant post right now  :'( :'(

I will move this thread to the Bridge in a couple of days.

He went into renal failure and if Geraint had told me of the latest bloods I would never have put him through this, he copt out and made me wait for 6 hrs until Gareth came in.

Franta is lying behind me at present and will go back tomorrow for indivudual cremation.

I will do a tribute when I am feeling up to it.

Please forgive me Napoleon  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: princessmaizie on May 10, 2011, 22:15:54 PM
I'm so very sorry for your loss.  :hug:

I hope you can take comfort in the fact that you gave Franta a wonderful home and all the love he could ever have wanted.  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Sootyca on May 10, 2011, 22:17:04 PM
I'm so sorry.  You did your best for him and never let him down once.  You gave him the best life and made the best choices for him with the information you had available.  There is nothing for him to forgive you for.

 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Guest on May 10, 2011, 22:18:11 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Oh Gill, I am so sorry, I have tears in my eyes for you.

There's nothing more I can say  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Janeyk on May 10, 2011, 22:22:58 PM
Gill I've just popped on to see how Franta is and I'm so sorry to read this  :'(

You did your best for your boy, will be thinking of you   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: JackSpratt on May 10, 2011, 22:24:45 PM
Gill, I'm so sorry for your loss. Franta man was and always will be a very loved boy. He's free from his pain now. :care: Please inbox me if you need to talk, you know I'll listen. :care:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Kirst on May 10, 2011, 22:25:56 PM
Oh Gill , I am so very very sorry. You did your very best and Franta knew just how much he was loved. I know there is nothing now that will make you feel better  , I wish I could be with you to gove you a huge hug.
 :hug: :hug:

RIP Franta Napolean - a gentleman and one of the most handsome cats Ive ever seen.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Liz on May 10, 2011, 22:28:18 PM
Gill sorry for the loss of Franta, you did all you could and then some now you need to have some cuddles with Ducha and get some sleep, it won't help the pain but it is what you need

A wonderful boy who will be sadly missed by his Mum and siblings and who fought a wonderful fight with the help of his Mum :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on May 10, 2011, 22:29:47 PM
Gill I'm so so sorry  :hug:

RIP Franta xxxxxx

Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Steff - Petsearch Bedford HQ on May 10, 2011, 22:30:56 PM
Gill, I really don't know what to say. I remember when you got those two handsome boys. I really feel for you right now.

Sorry I haven't posted much on this thread, I have been thinking of you both.

I really hoped Franta was going to pull through.

He had such a wonderful time with you Gill

Lots and lots of hugs x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: bunglycat on May 10, 2011, 22:33:02 PM
Oh Gill, I am so terribly sorry to read this news,  I am in tears here, I was praying he would come through this.
Franta hasd the best home and care with you.
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on May 10, 2011, 22:34:22 PM
Nooooooo !

Just read this on Facebook, so came straight here   :(

I'm so so sorry Gill.
He knew he was loved and you were the bestest Mummy he could ever have had.


 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gwen on May 10, 2011, 22:36:37 PM
So sorry to hear about Franta Gill,you did the best you could for him and he knew that,you will have his pawprint forever on your heart.  RIP beautiful one :-(
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Feline Costumier on May 10, 2011, 22:38:47 PM
You did all you could with all the information you had :hug:

RIP Franta, safe at the Bridge, you were and are a very loved boy.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: sheryl on May 10, 2011, 22:40:13 PM
Gill sweetie I am so so sorry  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:

RIP Franta Napoleon - forever in your Mummies heart xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 10, 2011, 22:44:12 PM
Oh no - this is not what I wanted to read.  I am so very sorry, Gill  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Linda (Bengalbabe) on May 10, 2011, 22:48:59 PM
I am heartbroken for you Gill, big hugs from me.  Thinking of you.
Rest in peace sweet Franta xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Lindsey (thefunkyinuit) on May 10, 2011, 22:55:02 PM
So sorry to hear this Gill  :'(  :hug:
Rest in peace Franta xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: MrsR on May 10, 2011, 22:56:13 PM
I am so very sorry x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: ChrisB on May 10, 2011, 22:57:43 PM
Gill, I am so very sorry, gorgeous Franta could not have had a better Meowmy, my thoughts are with you, XXX
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 10, 2011, 22:59:06 PM
Gill, I'm so terribly sorry to hear your news. You did all you possibly could for Franta so please don't beat yourself up. He had a good life and now he's free from pain.
Try to get some rest :hug: :hug:

RIP Franta
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: maryas on May 10, 2011, 22:59:45 PM
Please forgive me Napoleon  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Ther's nothing to forgive Gill - he loved you and you adored him and looked after him extremetly well.  I'm in floods of tears here so god knows how you are  :( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:



Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 10, 2011, 23:05:31 PM
I am so, so sorry Gill :hug:

Like the others say there is nothing to forgive.

You gave Franta such a loving home when he was abandoned

RIP Frantaman :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Amanda (mad4moggies) on May 10, 2011, 23:15:44 PM
I`m so very sorry to hear this sad news Gill. My thoughts are with you at this terrible time  :hug:  :hug:

RIP Franta x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: pappilon on May 10, 2011, 23:28:01 PM
Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Thinking of you  :'( :'( :'( :'( :hug: xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on May 10, 2011, 23:33:04 PM
I'm ever so sorry, Gill.

You did all you could for him, no matter what.
RIP Ol' Blue Eyes.

Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on May 10, 2011, 23:34:05 PM
Oh Gill I am so so sorry to read this and am in tears for you. Like us all I had hoped and prayed that darling Franta would pull through and nobody could have loved him more or tried harder for him. You shouldn't feel guilty although I know from experience that you will, we all do when something like this happens to one of our own. Please feel free to pm me if you want to and know that we are all here for you when you are ready. RIP Franta Napoleon your mummy loved you very much and I know you loved her too xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: CuteCats on May 10, 2011, 23:34:24 PM
So sorry to hear this news Gill.  Thinking of you.  :hug: :hug:

RIP Franta.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Angiew on May 10, 2011, 23:36:53 PM
Oh Gill, I am so sorry.

you gave Franta a lovely home where he was well loved and away from those dogs.  I still remember the day I turned up with them both and how dazed they were at the move and things they had gone through.
You took them on and gave them a second life and boy! did Franta make the most of it.

RIP Franta, much loved and missed by all of us especially his mum.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Tan on May 10, 2011, 23:40:09 PM
Nooooo  Oh god Gilly  :'( :'( :'( :'(  I so hoped with all my heart he would make it through. I am so very sorry  :'( :'( :'(

You gave him a wonderful home hun with your gang, and such a loving mum for them all. You have never let him down  :hug: :hug:

He will always be near us, he has touched so many of us and will always be in our hearts.
Rest easy Franta darlin.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Gill My heart is with you  :hug: :hug:



Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on May 10, 2011, 23:45:03 PM
So sorry to hear this Gill  :(  :hug:

The grief may make it difficult to see but you have nothing to be forgiven for, you did the best you could for him and most certainly did not let him down  :hug:

RIP Franta, safe and sound at the Bridge by now xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Pinkbear (Julie) on May 10, 2011, 23:45:59 PM
I'm sorry for your loss, Gill.  :'( :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 11, 2011, 00:03:01 AM
Oh Gill, in tears here too    :'( I'm so, so sorry  :hug: :hug: RIP dear Franta  :(
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Kay and Penny on May 11, 2011, 00:04:21 AM
I'm so sorry, Gill

I hope your lovely Franta has found your Kocka waiting for him at the Bridge
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Cooper & Peanut on May 11, 2011, 00:04:46 AM
So very sorry for your loss. RIP Franta x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: LesleyW on May 11, 2011, 00:07:08 AM
So sorry to read this Gill, thinking of you at this awful time.  RIP Franta, a very much loved cat by all of us on Purrs. xxx :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 11, 2011, 02:48:15 AM
Gill I am so so sorry and am devastated for you.  :hug: :hug:

You did everything and more that any one could for your darling Franta man.  :hug: :hug:

RIP Franta - run free at the bridge  :'(
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 11, 2011, 03:28:38 AM
I cant write a tribute yet and may be in a few days but would like to thank all of your for your lovely words both here and on FB.

Its such a comfort to me and keeping me going as did all your thoughts for him while he was ill.

Your kindness and messages are wonderful.

I hope I can get a bit of sleep but not really sure that I can.

I have to take him back to the vets tomorrow and Gareth was just wonderful tonight.

Today is gonna be such a hard day and the following days.

I miss my special baby man so much and the house is so unbearably quiet without him shouting at me.

Of all the things I remember and always apologized to him after but when I was very stressed and he used to sit in the middle of what I was doing and I would get so mad at him, so many things started and never finished cos he wouldnt let me but now these are the memories of why he was so special.

I so hope he understood that he was loved beyond belief and I would never have put him through today, if I had known about his test results.

I spent a long time with him at the vets tonight and hope he understood that he was so loved, so much loved and will always be loved.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 11, 2011, 07:34:05 AM
Rest in peace, Franta Napoleon.  You have been so much loved and treasured by your Mum, and by all of us here who've enjoyed your exploits and your "hansum" good looks.  You continue to be loved, and will be missed by us. 

Gill, he knew he was loved beyond belief.   :hug:  It was you he trusted when he was unwell, and you he called for.   :hug:  He loved you too. 
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: moira on May 11, 2011, 07:41:23 AM
Gill, I'm so sorry to read that Franta has gone to the Bridge. You both fought so hard. He was lucky to have had you and known what love was.

Play hard at the bridge, little one.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Dawn F on May 11, 2011, 08:22:42 AM
Gill I am so sorry, this isn't what I logged on expecting to see - please take comfort from all that Angie has said, you gave him a second chance of life that he never could have expected. 
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: JenGeorgieBob on May 11, 2011, 08:43:27 AM
So sorry to hear this, I am sure he knew how much he was loved and treasured.
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: clarenmax on May 11, 2011, 08:43:46 AM
Oh Gill sweetheart, I'm so very sorry  :hug: :hug:

I completely agree with the others, you have nothing to be forgiven for, and I hope that given time you will see that too, as right now its hard to see anything past the heartbreak  :hug:

Franta had the most amazing home with you, never wanted for anything, and you gave him all the veterinary care required when he was ill.  I'm just so sad that he didn't make it  :'( :'(

Play hard on the Bridge gorgeous Franta Napoleon, go find my boy Maxy up there  :'(
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on May 11, 2011, 08:53:29 AM
Play hard at the bridge Franta Napoleon. 

Gill I'm so sorry.  :hug:  :hug:  Everybody, and ESPECIALLY Franta knows how much you loved and cared for him.  You did your best and nobody could have done more.  You have nothing to reproach yourself for.  Take care.  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: jezebel on May 11, 2011, 09:17:42 AM
How heartbreaking for you Gill.  :hug:

He did sound very ill and there was nothing more you or anyone else could have done for the little chap. He was a good age and obviously had a wonderful life - try and focus on that (I know how hard it is).
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Jiji on May 11, 2011, 09:22:12 AM
Gill I am so very sorry to hear Franta has gone to the Bridge. You have nothing to reproach yourself for you gave him all the love and the best of care  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Tiggerman on May 11, 2011, 09:30:23 AM
Sorry to hear the sad news.

You can only do your best, even if it doesnt seem enough.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: lornab on May 11, 2011, 09:38:01 AM
So sorry to hear the awful news, :RIP:
You did your very best for him Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Lorna x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: squeakie on May 11, 2011, 09:40:30 AM
Hi Gill, so sorry to hear the very sad, sad news of Franta.  :'( :'(
 :hug:  :Luv: :hug: Hope Misa, Sasa and Ducha are give you plenty of loving hugs and cuddles and you them.  :hug:  :Luv: :hug:

 :hug: :Luv: :hug:  Owl sends all her love and will chat to you when you feel ready.   :hug: :Luv: :hug:

I suggested she rang you this evening but since reading some of the Purrs entries, and what a lot there was too (I think Franta must be sitting on Rainbow Bridge, licking cream of his whiskers, and feeling proud to be friends of so many), I not sure whether you would want her too...  please email me as and when you feel ready to take a call and I will let Owl know.

Lots of cuddles to you, Misa, Sasa, and Ducha.
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: ginge66 on May 11, 2011, 09:53:53 AM
So very sorry for your loss, reading through this thread it is obvious he was very loved by you and a lot of people on here, a very special boy indeed. RIP Franta Napoleon  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Daisymac on May 11, 2011, 10:01:28 AM
Gill,  I know you must be heartbroken,  RIP Franta,  thinking of you Gill  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on May 11, 2011, 10:16:54 AM
I am sorry to hear this Gill, thinking of you at this sad time  :hug:

RIP Franta xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: lau200 on May 11, 2011, 10:37:57 AM
oh Gill hun i am so sorry, i am crying here now because i know how much you loved him and i truely believed he would pull through, i know we all hoped he would. i don't know what to say, no words could ever lessen your pain and no words would ever do Franta justice- he was such a special boy and he will be sadly missed by us all. you have my number if you want to phone me or you can pm me if you need to chat. Leonie sends her love x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: snarf on May 11, 2011, 10:52:53 AM
 :hug: oh Gill, im so sorry to read this. Franta knew how much you loved him  :hug:
 RIP Frantaman
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: souffle on May 11, 2011, 10:58:45 AM
A bond so strong and a love so pure is very hard to leave Gill. He wanted to stay because he felt that around him. You made your choices from love and no choice made from love is ever wrong.
He is in a place now where time has no meaning and all is perfect. In a blink of his eye you will be reunited again. It is only us who must wait our time out before that happens so remember the good times. He would want you to enjoy everything this life has to offer for now as he enjoyed it so do that for him x
Play well at the bridge beautiful Franta. The heartstrings still hold you close xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: CatGirl on May 11, 2011, 11:05:13 AM
Very sorry to hear this news Gill,you know you always did the best for him,it's all any of us can do.We're all thinking of you.xxx

Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Philip on May 11, 2011, 11:06:43 AM
Gill I'm so sorry to hear you had to let Franta go  :hug:.

You gave him the ultimate gift of love and went way and beyond the call of duty.

I hope in time you will be able to remember the great times you had together.

God bless you Franta. Please send mummy a rainbow.  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Shirley on May 11, 2011, 11:57:34 AM
So very sorry to read this Gill. I didn't know Franta but have just read his story from about page 17. Don't think anyone could have loved their cat more and you did everything you could to make him well again.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: to you.

RIP Franta xxxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 11, 2011, 12:15:08 PM
I spent a long time with him at the vets tonight and hope he understood that he was so loved, so much loved and will always be loved.

Yes Gill, he knew he was loved  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Yvonne on May 11, 2011, 12:19:08 PM
Really sorry to hear this - I know what you are going through believe me

THE RAINBOW

As much as I loved the life we had and all the times we played,
I was so very tired and knew my time on earth would fade.
I saw a wondrous image then of a place that's trouble free,
where all of us can meet again to spend eternity.
I saw the most beautiful rainbow and on the other side
were meadows rich and beautiful lush and green and wide!

And running through the meadows as far as the eye could see
were every sort of animal, as healthy as could be!
My own tired failing body was fresh and healed and new
and I wanted to go run with them but I had something left to do.
I needed to reach out to you to tell you I'm alright,
that this place is truly wonderful - then a bright glow pierced the night.

'Twas the glow of many candles shining bright and strong and bold
and I knew then that it held your love in it's brilliant shades of gold.
For although we may not be together in the way we used to be
we are still connected by a cord that no eye can ever see.
So whenever you need to find me we're never far apart
if you look beyond the rainbow and listen with your heart.

 :RIP:    :candle:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: kerri86 on May 11, 2011, 13:18:54 PM
Oh Gill I am so sorry Franta passed away. have only just seen this thread as not been on for few days. I can't believe he died  :'( I really feel for you and hope you have lots of support around you like you do here on Purrs!

Mwah to Franta wherever you are  :(
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 11, 2011, 13:36:41 PM
Thank you so much everyone  :hug: :hug:

Now have another problem cos Misa is missing Franta and is going round sniffing all the places that Franta used to go. He has just laid down where Franta was on Monday night when he was home.

He is the only one who showed any care for Franta last night.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 11, 2011, 13:38:19 PM
Misa is such a lovely boy :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: tab on May 11, 2011, 14:22:10 PM
Im so so sorry. I know and Im sure Franta knows just how loved he was and how much he will be missed
RIP Franta
Play well at the bridge baby
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Jiskefet on May 11, 2011, 14:29:42 PM
Nooooooo.......  :'( :'( :'( :'(
I'm so sorry.....
I have no words right now, just tears.
I know how you feel......

 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Leanne on May 11, 2011, 15:44:56 PM
Gill I am a bit behind, but thinking of you sweetie.

RIP Franta Napoleon play hard at the bridge sweetheart
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: cazzer on May 11, 2011, 16:52:39 PM
RIP Franta you will always will be remembered with love.     Hugs to Gill and Misa  :hug: :hug: x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: lizfraser on May 11, 2011, 17:09:47 PM
RIP Franta, play hard at the Bridge

 and   :hug: to you Gill,  thinking of you x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Kirst on May 11, 2011, 17:33:17 PM
I'm sure Franta will have found my Oscar at the bridge - he was a dead ringer for Ducha so I am sure they will get on well! :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Philip on May 11, 2011, 19:01:50 PM
Thought of you with love today, but that is nothing new.
I thought about you yesterday, and days before that too.
I think of you in silence, I often speak your name.
All I have are memories and a picture in a frame.
Your memory is a keepsake, with which I'll never part.
God has you in His keeping, I have you in my heart....
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 11, 2011, 19:28:59 PM
I dont have a picture in a frame of Napoleon, I have the frame but never got round to filling it but I will now.

Thank you Philip

So many but if onlys, so much time to do things and then all of a suddden time ran out  :'( :'(
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 11, 2011, 20:04:06 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: hOrZa on May 11, 2011, 20:22:19 PM
So sorry to see this Gill

thinking of you at this sad time :'(

:RIP:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 11, 2011, 20:45:31 PM
Have thought about you a lot today Gill  :hug: :hug:

I just wanted to let you know that I made it home.

The journey wasn't an easy one, but it didn't take too long.
Everything is so pretty here, so white, so fresh and new I wish that you could close your eyes and that you could see it too.
Please try not to be sad for me, try to understand God is taking care of me...I'm in the shelter of His hands.
Here there is no sadness, no sorrow, and no pain. Here there is no crying and I'll never hurt again.
Here it is so peaceful when all the angels sing. I really have to go for now... I've just got to try my wings.


 :candle:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 11, 2011, 23:11:24 PM
My sad attempt at a tribute to Napoleon,

I just cant think of all the things to say my special boy as I am just too upset and my head feels dead without you.

You were the light of my life, my special blue-eyed boy and I am missing you to pieces.

You were only with me just over 5 years and I remember when Angie brought you and your bro. We opened the cage where you both were and you went straight out into the hall to the basket with the toys in, not that you really ever played with any of them.

You howled and howled at top of your voice when you were shut in the front room over night and you scratched the carpet up behind the door and I couldnt get in, oh what a panic and of course as I was trying to get in, you were ttrying to get out!

When you were eventually set free you rushed straight up the stairs into the bedroom and took it over from Misa and Sasa, it was your room and your bed and it remained your room forever.

When I was using the old pc in the study, Misa used to lie on the table by my arm but you shoved your way in and took that over too, you had to be closest to me and touching.

When I got this lappy I moved into the front room and you followed, in front of the lappy velcroed under my chin, or lying on my typing arm so you had all the attention, or you would put one front paw either side of my neck and then lick my face. You had to be the closest you could be and licks turned into nips that broke the skin on my face. You bit my nose and chin and it got to be a bit dangerous for me but I think you were grooming me and when you groomed yourself, it always ended up with biting your skin at the bottom of your fur but then your skin was so much tougher than mine.

You thought I was a cat and you loved me so much, as I did you.

You were the most cuddly and soft and beautiful Catman who would only answer to Napoleon but also I learnt only in the last couple of months you liked Catman too.

Life is so fragile and I have so many wishes and what ifs. I tried to be the best meowmy in the world to you Napoleon and I am so sorry that sometimes I hurt your feelings when I was stressed. I always came back to say sorry and I think you forgave me because you would be back cuddling and shouting at me.

You didnt purr very often but when you did it was a lovely deep bass purr and I felt so honored that you would Purr to me.

You had certain expressions that I have never caught on film that were the most adorable that could be imagined. I have never been able to get a true likeness of you in paint or pencil but I will keep trying, I am sure I can do it if I persevere.

Today Misa is missing you so badly and also Ducha your little brother, I brought you home last night so they could say goodbye and only Misa tried but he didnt understand and he is now looking for you. He gave you a head lick when you were home on Monday and he really loved you.

You slept by my side last night, so peaceful and soft and my hand and arm smelt of the stuff that they used to clean your face and fur yesterday, you smelt so lovely and today they gave me the bottle of that stuff, cos this smell will always remind me of you .

I have hardly anything of yours cos you shared with all the other cats and the biggest thing that you consistently loved was me but I have some bits of your fur which are very precious and one whisker of the tabby variety that was on the vets table yesterday. Also your cushion from yesterday which I have sprayed with your special smell and it has a tiny bit of your fur on. I will treasure these forever.

I wrote you a message to go with you today (RIP NAPOLEON 23 Aug 93-10 May 11 I love you so much baby man Play hard on the Bridge Your meowmy will have you in her heart forever Grief is the last gift I can give) and also gave you a tulip from the garden and some forget- me-nots, I have the pictures of course but no where near as many good ones that I should have. I treasure every memory of you, every time we cuddled and you for all your cheeky boy stuff.

You are the most loved cat and you will always be a Purr in my Heart. You were so handsome and a once in a lifetime wonderful boy.

I love you so much my heart is breaking.

RIP my wonderful Napoleon, please send me a message to say you arrived safely on the Bridge and say hi to Kocka and all the other Purrs cats . I think you have sent me a message tonight cos I was woken up by you shouting in my ear. If you can manage a rainbow that would be wonderful.

I will come onto the path to the Bridge to see you for a short while on the day before Christmas cos we didnt have Christmas this year, which I so regret but you did manage to worm your way in for proper cuddles infront of Pussy.

I always thought there would be Christmas this year for us and I never expected you to leave so suddenly. Looking back on this thread, you have been ill so many times and I just wanted a record of what happened, you have suffered so much but you always fought back and you tried so hard this time too.

I am so sorry for putting you through yesterdays treatment and would never have done if I had known how bad your levels were. I tried so hard to do the very best for you but I failed yesterday and it haunts me. Please forgive me Napoleon for any times I have let you down, I didnt mean to do anything bad cos I loved you so much.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Philip on May 11, 2011, 23:18:43 PM
Not a sad attempt at all hun.

Just straight from the heart and it shows how much Franta means to you. A lovely sentiment.  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 11, 2011, 23:21:22 PM
What a beautiful tribute :hug: Wonderul
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 11, 2011, 23:22:49 PM
Gill, that made me laugh (the bit about the danger to your nose!) - and cry. Lovely tribute  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: lau200 on May 11, 2011, 23:25:10 PM
what a lovely tribute. it brought tears to my eyes and a lump in throat. RIP Franta, forever loved x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 11, 2011, 23:33:18 PM
Thank you all, its the best I could do
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: maryas on May 11, 2011, 23:36:04 PM
Bloody hell Gill, I'm in floods of tears here  - you 2 certainly were a match made in heaven and you were brilliant right to the very end.

Mary and Bonnie xxx :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Kirst on May 12, 2011, 06:12:50 AM
Gill , that was beautiful. :'(
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 12, 2011, 06:52:41 AM


Gill - straight from the heart.   :hug: :hug:  Am glad you realise that Franta did love you.  Try to banish any self doubts about the end.  I learnt to my cost that we can't always choose how things would go with hindsight, and I so realise how you're feeling right now about that, but it's very rare any of us get a chance to orchestrate that final journey.  Franta loved you.  You love Franta.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 12, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
Gill, that was a lovely tribute to Franta.  :hug: :hug: What a gorgeous boy he was  :Luv:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Cooper & Peanut on May 12, 2011, 08:50:18 AM
What a truly beautiful, honest and heartfelt tribute. Made me cry and smile at the same time.

Your boy definitely knew that he was loved and very special. You were both very lucky to have met and shared so much love together  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: JackSpratt on May 12, 2011, 12:11:42 PM
Gill, I'm so sad for you. Reading that it's like reading all your pain and doubts about caring for Franta at the end of his life. But I'm also welling up because of the special habits you developed with each other; I understand  that only too well - when the special interactions are gone and you know they'll never be another cat that acts the same way with you. I'm thinking of you. :care:

Franta and you were lucky to have had your time together and he WILL have known that.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 12, 2011, 12:18:49 PM
That's a lovely tribute, Gill.  He was obviously a very special and very loved boy, and you gave him everything he could possibly want and then some  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on May 12, 2011, 13:24:18 PM
Straight from the heart, such a lovely tribute to a special boy  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on May 12, 2011, 14:15:53 PM
A very moving tribute to a much loved Catman.  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Leanne on May 12, 2011, 16:23:34 PM
Gill what an amazing and beautiful tribute, its obvious you meant the world to each other. You have done Franta proud  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: madamcat (Edd) on May 12, 2011, 17:23:55 PM
Gill - what a wonderful tribute to your darling Franta Napoleon  :hug: :hug:

In every word everyone can see how much you loved your special Catman and he knows that everything you did for him was because of the immense love you have for him.  :hug: :hug:

I am pleased that he has come to you and I hope that you get your rainbow soon so you know he has met up with Kocka and all his Purrs friends who are there to welcome him.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 12, 2011, 17:53:56 PM
Thank you every one and I will be moving this thread to The Rainbow Bridge to night about 1920, which is where he is now and has been since about that time on Tuesday.

RIP my little Catman  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: mervyn7451 on May 12, 2011, 20:38:51 PM
Oh god no,I was only thinking of Franta the other night & log on to read he has gone to Rainbow Bridge.Gill I am so very very sorry for your loss,we all here know how you are feeling & it is one I would wish on no one.Our pets lives are too short & Franta knew how much he was loved.
RIP Franta,He was such a loverly cat with such striking blue eyes.

Play hard on the Bridge.

(http://www.channelishop.com/Images/Products/Sympathy_card__A_49b3b4c5968b0.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on May 12, 2011, 20:47:29 PM
Wonderful tribute to a wonderful boy - I dont know how you got through writing that -
Night Night lovley lad xxxxx  :hug: Gill xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 12, 2011, 20:51:09 PM
Thank you both,

I wrote in bits Gail, the intention was to then tidy it up but I couldnt do that so it was written just as it appears and was the best I could do for my specail boy.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: sheryl on May 12, 2011, 21:52:03 PM
A beautiful tribute for a beautiful boy - RIP gorgeous Franta xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on May 12, 2011, 21:55:15 PM
Its a lovely tribute Gill, tears running down my face reading it

RIP Napoleon


Zoe
xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Jiji on May 13, 2011, 13:19:56 PM
A wonderful and touching tribute  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tan on May 13, 2011, 20:03:48 PM
Just wonderful Gilly. Truly a loved Franta and he loved you  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: zoe (tiggy + pipins mum) on May 13, 2011, 20:57:53 PM
So so sorry to read this gill
RIP franta xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Janeyk on May 14, 2011, 09:52:04 AM
 :hug: :hug:

Godbless Franta xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Stuart on May 15, 2011, 02:20:28 AM
Oh Gill, I'm so so very sorry  :'(
I didn't realise it was the beautiful Franta that has left you when you mentioned Napoleon in my other post
I Feel for you  :'(

and, oh what a truly straight from the heart Beautiful Tribute for wonderful Franta Napoleon
I'm sure He knows how much he meant to you and is silently back at your side now

RIP Franta, run free and play hard at the Rainbow Bridge
xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 23 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 15, 2011, 08:09:32 AM
Goodbye Franta Napoleon, you beautiful boy, and rest easy :'( :'( :'(

You were very much loved and will be missed more than words can express  :(

So sorry Gill.  There are no words that help at times like this.  At least you know you gave him everything especially your heart.  He obviously adored you in return and we can hope for nothing more than this  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Mark on May 17, 2011, 17:55:00 PM
Sorry to hear about Franta Gill  :hug:

I know he was very much loved  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Sylvia on May 24, 2011, 23:20:33 PM
I've only just caught up with this, and I'm so sorry to hear about your beautiful boy Franta Napoleon Gill  :'(

Your tribute was from your heart, and shows how he was loved so very much  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 25, 2011, 00:11:12 AM
Thank you Sylvia. I love him so much and he is really missed
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 12, 2011, 02:09:46 AM
4 months and all the summer, I am thinking of you Napoleon.

I went to a place today that makes me sad cos I think of you and its all been blocked up so cant park their anymore.

I remember going there at Christmas one year and taking my turkey sandwiches, it was very cold but the memory of coming home to you will always be with me.  :hug: :hug:

Missing You

The Summer is slowly leaving
And the swallows have gone
The leaves are turning in the warmth of the sun
And I am missing you

If we could see into the future
Would we change the choices that we made
if we could turn back the clock
Would we change how we thought
I do not know
But I am missing you

For all our lost friends
That we love with all our heart
For all the tears that we cry
We must remember the smiles
The good times in the photograph
But the space that you left hurts more than words can say
I am missing you

The leaves now are falling
And the trees looking bare
I cannot reconcile my grief
Cos I am missing you
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: maryas on September 12, 2011, 02:13:56 AM
Doesn't matter if it's blocked or not cos your love for him will never be blocked and he can still reach it from the Bridge.

One day your sadness will be changed into smiles but we all know it takes a long time.

Mary xx :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Stuart on September 12, 2011, 03:01:00 AM
Know How you are feeling Gill  :(

 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 12, 2011, 03:38:59 AM
Thank you both  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 12, 2011, 06:57:25 AM
Gill   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Rosella moggy on September 12, 2011, 07:55:50 AM
 :'( :'( :'(   :hug: 
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on September 12, 2011, 08:13:16 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: den22 on September 12, 2011, 10:36:34 AM
Thinking of you Gill  :care: :hug: :hug:



Denise
Xxxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: JackSpratt on September 12, 2011, 11:34:57 AM
:care:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 12, 2011, 15:15:49 PM
Thank you, just going thro a down time I think.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: den22 on September 12, 2011, 17:05:37 PM
I know hun I go through times were I just can't stop thinking about my loss  :(  it's just so hard, I read this thread from the begining and it was so heartbreaking and had me in tears Franta Napoleon sounded like such a sweet boy and sooo brave  :Luv:

His memory will live on in your heart till the day you meet again , a fur baby as special as him will never be forgotten


Denise  :hug: :hug:
Xxxx







Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on September 20, 2011, 20:23:07 PM
Thinking of you Gill, Franta Napoleon will always be watching over you from the Bridge xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: clarenmax on September 21, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: xxx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 21, 2011, 15:15:54 PM
Thank you, just feeling very raw
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: puggy1975 Zoe on September 21, 2011, 18:43:06 PM
((Hugs)) Gill, there will always be times you feel like that, they are such a big part of your life. You also went through so much with him, he was one special boy and he gave me encouragement with Ollie
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: sheilarose on September 25, 2011, 14:57:44 PM
 :hug: for you Gill. x So sad.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: bunglycat on September 25, 2011, 22:31:02 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 28, 2011, 22:33:38 PM
Thank you, you are all very kind.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 30, 2011, 21:32:39 PM
I know exactly how you feel Gill, Not a day goes past when I don't think about Issey.
Glad you are getting the support you need from Purrs xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 24, 2011, 23:57:05 PM
I am missing you tonight my handsome velcro cat, I miss your paws around my neck and your kisses and you snuggling so close like you want to get into my skin.

The first Christmas without you is a sad one for me but hope you have a fabulash Christmas on the Bridge with Kocka and all the friends you will have made  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: funkiechicken on December 28, 2011, 13:23:45 PM
 :hug:  :hug:  :hug:

Big Loves to Napolean & all those who are spending Christmas on the Bridge :Flowers:
May there have been lots of chicken  :) x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 28, 2012, 18:24:10 PM
I was looking for something on the lappy today and came across all the stuff I have about you Napoleon. I know its not quite your anniversary yet but I need your cuddles right now my beautiful boy  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Hope your weather on the Bridge is just puuuuuuurfect and just wanted to say I will be back here in a couple of weeks for your anniversay but I love you to pieces my blue eyed boy  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 28, 2012, 19:32:16 PM
 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: maryas on April 29, 2012, 12:34:56 PM
There is always something there to make us sad  :hug:

Mary and Bonnie
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 08, 2012, 07:53:46 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Stuart on May 08, 2012, 10:34:05 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: LouiseJ on May 08, 2012, 13:00:51 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Peggy C on May 08, 2012, 17:00:29 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:  Oscar sends a cuddle too
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: bunglycat on May 08, 2012, 22:23:09 PM
 :hug: :hug:
Cuddles from the gang here too.

I have done nothing but think about Smartie and he would have been 15 the end of this month.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: sheilarose on May 10, 2012, 00:12:47 AM
Remembering the gorgeous Franta Napoleon today. The blue eyed boy with so many friends at the Bridge.

Gill, take care.  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2012, 00:18:45 AM
Thank you every one, just lost my post !
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2012, 00:34:20 AM
Oh Napoleon my handsome boy its your first anniversary on the Bridge  :hug: :hug:

I still miss you so much and would love to cuddle your furry self again and look into your blue eyes.

Lupin isnt listening to you unless you are telling him norty things.....would you LOL

Ducha still likes cuddles on my bed, Misa and Sasa miss you even though she still doesnt like birmans much as you know you devil..........ever since you put her paws in her tummy fur  :innocent:

I am thinking of you loads especially today and hope you like the flowers Napoleon

Loads of love from your meowmy  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: sheilarose on May 10, 2012, 00:46:19 AM
That's a wonderful post, Gill. He was so beautiful and loved. The flowers sound lovely too.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: mad_lilli on May 10, 2012, 06:36:21 AM
Love that first photo - it's like the sun is just shining for him.  :hug: :hug: :hug: Gill 
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 10, 2012, 06:44:59 AM

Gill, just wanted to say am thinking about you today, and know your heart will be brimful for our beautiful Ole Blue Eyes, the gorgeous Franta Napoleon.

You live on, Franta, and seeing your beautiful face again today has made me smile.  Bless you, sweetheart.   :Luv:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: snarf on May 10, 2012, 07:23:29 AM
 :hug: for you Gill.  A lovely photo of the lovely Franta
Title: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on May 10, 2012, 07:28:56 AM
:grouphug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 10, 2012, 07:40:20 AM
Lovely to see the photos

Thinking of you Gill and know Napoleon will be too :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Shirley on May 10, 2012, 07:53:08 AM
What a stunning boy!!  :Luv2: Thinking of you  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 10, 2012, 08:10:32 AM
Thinking of you today Gill and sending happy Napoleon thoughts your way to drown out your sadness  :hug: :hug: :hug: 

What a handsome blue eyed boy  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Jiji on May 10, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
Lovely to see some pics of the handsome Franta Napoleon, my thoughts are with you :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Peggy C on May 10, 2012, 16:06:10 PM
What a beautiful boy he was   Thinking of you today   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Sootyca on May 10, 2012, 18:27:26 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: Hope you are doing okay.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Shiroi-Neko on May 10, 2012, 19:02:56 PM
:hug: hope your ok
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: bunglycat on May 10, 2012, 22:41:37 PM
Gorgeous pictures  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: maryas on May 10, 2012, 23:07:27 PM
Love you Franta  :hug: :Luv2: :hug:

 :hug: Gill  :hug:

Mary and Bonnie xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: thekittensmittens on May 10, 2012, 23:36:09 PM
Oh Gill its the first time I have seen his pic, what a truly beautifull boy :Luv2:
So sad that napoleon had to leave you Gill :(

I know how hard it is for you right now so sending a prayer out for you both & hoping you are ok :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2012, 23:43:39 PM
Thank you everyone, a hard day for me.

I am sure Napoleon is watching  and having a good chuckle after his party on the Bridge, one too many dishes of milk!
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: thekittensmittens on May 11, 2012, 00:00:09 AM
 :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: funkiechicken on May 12, 2012, 01:11:26 AM
 :hug: :hug:
Big hugs to you xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: funkiechicken on May 12, 2012, 09:25:56 AM
Gill, Franta was such a stunning boy....thinking of you x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 14, 2012, 08:21:13 AM
Sorry I'm a little late Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 14, 2012, 14:12:35 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Amanda (mad4moggies) on May 17, 2012, 23:28:11 PM
Sorry it`s late Gill but i haven`t been on the computer for a bit. He really was a very handsome boy and very lucky to have you looking after him.

I can`t believe it`s been a year already. Hope you are running free at the bridge you sweet boy xx  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 17, 2012, 23:49:22 PM
Thank you Amanda  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2013, 11:08:01 AM
Another year without you babyman and still miss you so much Napoleon  :hug: :hug:

I am sure you have met Ducha who joined you last year and you are playing like kittens again  ;D

You would hate the weather and I had hoped it would be nice for you today but not.

Lupin still isnt listening to you and is a little monster but he is starting to fill out and is getting a chin like yours  ;D

Please will you teach him that stroking and cuddling is nice and help him to be more like you. Ok nipping isnt good so dont tell him that bit  :rofl:

Thinking of you loads, especially today and I will love you forever  :hug: :hug:

From your slave will all my love
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: maryas on May 10, 2013, 11:15:20 AM
You've still got that special place in my heart Franta, we will be together again one day  :Luv2: :hug:

Lots of love, your Bonnie xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 10, 2013, 11:17:26 AM



Ole Bloo Eyes - as much with us today as ever you were.  Your Mummy loves you very much, and is relying on you to keep der eyes on dat Lupin The Loop.   ;) 
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: sheilarose on May 10, 2013, 12:05:01 PM
Maybe a rainbow for your Mum today, eh Franta? She's missing you.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Stuart on May 10, 2013, 14:26:38 PM
 :(

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on May 10, 2013, 19:16:58 PM
Gill I know today won’t have been an easy day for you so sending lots of these.  :hug:  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2013, 19:44:06 PM
Thank you everyone.

As you all know this is never easy  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: pappilon on May 10, 2013, 22:33:26 PM
Thinking of you Gill :hug: :hug: :hug:
x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: bunglycat on May 10, 2013, 22:36:47 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: emmmy_lou on May 10, 2013, 22:39:33 PM
Just a few more hugs  :hug: :hug: :hug:

I wasn't on purrs when he went to the bridge, but he was so handsome  :Luv2:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2013, 23:49:21 PM
Yes most handsome cat and such a cuddler  ;D
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 11, 2013, 21:48:09 PM
Sorry I'm a bit late Gill. Sending lots of hugs  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 12, 2013, 01:05:48 AM
Thank you Allison
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: CuteCats on May 12, 2013, 20:27:25 PM
Sending hugs your way. xx  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2014, 00:52:21 AM
It seems so long Napoleon but only three years and the hole on my heart doeesnt get any smaller. I am sure you would put Lupin right in his place better than I am doing and he just makes fun of me.

You are 20 yrs old now and I bet you are so dignified up there on the Bridge looking after Ducha and helping out with all the kittens,

My face is wet and thought I would be able to say so much  but cant and have  been thinking about you all week.

All I can say is that i love you and miss you more than I can say and send some flowers and two unfinished memories that will always stay as they were.

Have a good party today with all your friends

Love you forever

Your meowmy

Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: pappilon on May 10, 2014, 05:47:57 AM
 Oh Gill :( I am thinking of you and sending some gentle hugs your way :hug: :hug: :hug:
 

 Franta, such a handsome boy :Luv2:
 Tonight i will light a candle in his memory. RIP sweet heart. :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 10, 2014, 06:43:34 AM
Gill, adding my thoughts for you today.   :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Jiji on May 10, 2014, 08:05:49 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: sheilarose on May 10, 2014, 10:51:04 AM
Thinking of you today Gill.  :hug: :hug:

Have a wonderful Bridge Party today Franta Napolean xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on May 10, 2014, 12:43:23 PM
Sending lots of hugs and thinking of you today  :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: maryas on May 10, 2014, 20:51:05 PM
Missing you Franta but we know you are not in pain now  :Luv2: :hug:

Love Mary and your darling Bonnie xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Misa on May 11, 2014, 02:26:08 AM
Thank you everyone  your thoughts are much appreciated
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Stuart on May 11, 2014, 12:16:04 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: bunglycat on May 12, 2014, 00:58:51 AM
Sending loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
A very special boy to everyone Gill xx
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 12, 2014, 08:49:17 AM
I'm a little late Gill but sending you lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Misa on May 12, 2014, 15:19:07 PM
Thank you all
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 15, 2014, 16:39:38 PM
Thinking of you Gill and your beautiful bridge boy :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 15, 2014, 18:05:55 PM

Thank you Alison
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 16, 2014, 21:07:12 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Stuart on June 15, 2014, 21:51:51 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on June 15, 2014, 22:05:18 PM
Thank you Stuart
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 10, 2015, 20:29:31 PM
THe time passes so quickly Napoleon and I miss you so much.

I think you would approve of norti cat Lupin and he now jumps up just like you, floats thro the air and lands like a feather,

Hope you have a great party on the Bridge with all our friends

Loves you Franta Napoleon

Love from your Meowmy, Sasa and Misa
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 10, 2015, 21:36:25 PM
Grants would so approve of Lupin, Gill.  Absolutely.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: alisonandarchie on May 10, 2015, 22:02:39 PM
Thinking of you and know Lupin would be well approved of :hug: :hug: :hug:

Franta :candle:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Rosella moggy on May 10, 2015, 23:07:27 PM
Am just stunned this was 4 years ago Gill.  Really stunned.

RIP darling angel boy  :( :( :(
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: sheilarose on May 10, 2015, 23:33:41 PM
Thinking of you tonight Gill  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: maryas on May 11, 2015, 00:03:10 AM
 :hug: Gill  :hug:

One good thing to think about is that Bonnie is now with her beloved Franta Napoleon  :Luv2: :hug:

Mary
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on May 11, 2015, 00:04:43 AM
Thinking of you Gill and hoping the joy of his living now outweighs the pain of his passing.  :hug:  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 11, 2015, 01:15:18 AM
Thank you all, very kind
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: hollycat on May 11, 2015, 13:20:48 PM

 :hug: :hug: Gill


 :candle:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tigerlily (Allison) on May 11, 2015, 19:48:47 PM
Gill  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on May 11, 2015, 21:23:52 PM
Thank you and its Forgetme not time of the year, they were all in bloom when Napoleon left for the Bridge and are now so will take a picture,,,,,they remind me so much of him.
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: bunglycat on May 11, 2015, 21:46:46 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:  Gill x
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Tan on June 18, 2015, 12:24:31 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on June 14, 2016, 00:38:02 AM
I didnt forget my little mancat but just couldnt see very well.

You will never be forgotten and I can still see your beautiful face looking up at me as you lay on your back in my arms while I tapped away on the lappy   :hug: :hug: :hug: and loads of gentle stokes to you Napoleon

Love from your Human
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: alisonandarchie on June 14, 2016, 18:15:56 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: Lyn (Slugsta) on June 14, 2016, 19:36:59 PM
 :hug:
Title: Re: RIP Franta Napoleon 13 Aug 93 - 10 May 2011
Post by: maryas on June 24, 2016, 15:01:42 PM
Blue Eyes, you will never be forgotten.  I know you and Angel Bonnie will be enjoying the relaxing days and the exciting fun days together ;)

Miss you F N  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Mary